Gaza: 8 months is much too long!
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Started by metmike - June 15, 2024, 10:08 a.m.

Amid Unconscionable Suffering and Death, Gaza Needs a Ceasefire

https://www.newsweek.com/amid-unconscionable-suffering-death-gaza-needs-ceasefire-opinion-1912638

Instead of advancing human rights, the U.S. has equivocated on the binding nature of UN Security Council resolutions and attempted to discredit the international justice system. In fact, President Biden's support of the government of Israel as it continues its unlawful siege, engineered famine, and attacks on Palestinian civilians has done untold damage to the international human rights system that has grown since the end of WWII.

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8 months of these relentless state sponsored war crimes.

8 months of decimating 2 million innocent human beings, majority children and women.

8 months is much too long for this to be seen as a temporary oversight.

8 months of enabling by the US at best and much worse, sending thousands of massive bombs that were used  to obliterate Gaza and defining it as "Israel defending itself".

8 months is much too long for people that have objective eyes to not see with clarity, the difference between right and wrong.

8 months is much too long for people with a conscience to stand by and say nothing or do nothing.

8 months is much too long for the entire world to witness these relentless, horrific crimes and not understand the diabolical, pathological minds of the elite, gatekeepers who run the political agenda in Israel and the United States.

8 months is much too long for the entire world to witness the 80,000 massive bombs dropped and not know the power of the Military-Industrial-Political-Media-Lobby complex.

8 months is much too long for us to witness the words of individual bought and paid for politicians, like Lindsey Graham who not only support this atrocity but are active cheerleaders with words like "Israel should bomb Gaza like it's Hiroshima!"

8 months is much too long for us to hear constantly on Fox News that this is "Israel defending itself" and NEVER indicating fault on the part of Israel to  not understand their complete inability to show empathy, while displaying blatant,  pathological political bias for ratings generated profits.

8 months is much too long for this to NOT provide  profoundly powerful incentive to extremely offensive hate groups that have greatly amplified antisemitism as they unjustifiably target innocent Jewish people that are NOT responsible, regardless of whether the targets use their God given right to have an opinion or be born into a nationality. 

8 months is much too long for this to NOT provide profoundly powerful incentive to  the extremists that oppose this, that will resort to terrorism to hold the United States accountable. With an open border the past 3 years, there are likely thousands of terrorists in our country that are, at this moment plotting retribution for our crimes in Gaza (as well as Ukraine) with the exact same frame of mind as those on 9-11-01!

8 months is much too long for this to NOT become more than a footnote in world history books that will be read by all future generations. This is NOT Hitler or WW2 but the US and Israel will be there, in the same category, without a doubt, with  us being seen as perpetrators of intentional state sponsored genocide/ethnic cleansing for political agenda and indoctrinated hatred/revenge. 

8 months is much too long for this to have NOT greatly eroded our credibility on the global stage in 2024 and many years to come. The world cannot UNSEE what it has just witnessed the past 8 months. The world knows who the perpetrators of these horrific crimes are.  The world knows that the perpetrators are only getting away with it because of abusing their massive technological superiority and power that nobody can stop.  The world knows that these acts are cowardly, morally deprived acts of collective punishment to 2 million innocents.  

There is no going back. It's happened for 8 months. THAT DAMAGE is done forever.  Are we going to let it stretch out to 9 months???

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By mcfarm - June 15, 2024, 11:07 a.m.
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https://jewishinsider.com/2023/06/barbara-lee-abraham-accords-envoy-bill-vote/  so Lee took the best chance ever for peace so seriously that she voted in ERROR. Damn, she been taking lessons from the Clintons? Also notice the rest of the non-supporters and wonder where are they now with all the recent death and destruction including the looney left women in our congress that consider Hamas a legitimate ally in their fight to defeat little satan and the BIG BAD Satan as well. Welcome to America you devils.

By metmike - June 15, 2024, 11:24 a.m.
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Thanks much, mcfarm.

The Rs like to portray the Abraham Accords as something that it was not...........fair to both sides.

Here are the facts:


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By WxFollower - June 15, 2024, 12:57 p.m.
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 Agreed, Mike, that 8 months is too long. I’ve been against Bibi and his far right coalition’s over aggressive war policies as I’ve said many times. No change for me. War is ugly but to me this much aggression has been both unnecessarily killing/hurting way too many innocent civilians as well as heavily damaging infrastructure and leading to starvation.

 But keep in mind Hamas’ part in all of this, too. Besides the horrendous 10/7 attack, they’ve been using innocents as human shields with no care about their survival. They’ve made sure that numerous innocents would be killed no matter what Israeli leaders decided in response to hurt Israeli PR. They have always wanted Israel to be destroyed. It is in their charter. So, Israel wanting them destroyed is understandable.

 But regardless, 8 months of the over-aggressiveness has been too long.  I’ve never wavered!

 But you know what else has gone on too long? 2,000 years of anti-semitism ever since Jews lost their homeland in the Middle East and became exiles. So, Jews are under never ending challenges, likely more than any other group in history. Think about that, a target on their backs for 2,000 yrs!! Never forget:

 https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism



 

By WxFollower - June 15, 2024, 1:18 p.m.
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 More on A.S.: the 2K yrs of widespread A.S. started with the Roman destruction of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. It culminated in the killing of 2/3, that’s right, 2/3 of European Jews in the Holocaust! Never forget!

 Hamas, the Iranian fanatical extremist leaders, and others in the Middle East want Israel to be destroyed. Think about that! The Jews didn’t have a safe haven homeland for 1,878 yrs until the creation of Israel.

 Think about being born into a group whose membership has had a target on their backs for 2,000 yrs! What a way to live. It isn’t easy for others to empathize. It is scary, frustrating, and downright maddening all at the same time.

By metmike - June 15, 2024, 1:39 p.m.
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Thanks, Larry!


That's why this needs to stop.

Antisemitism INCIDENTS ARE up by triple digit % in many place BECAUSE OF what the Jewish State, Israel is doing in Gaza. We should be focusing on REDUCING INCIDENTS AND FIGHTING AGAINST LONG LIVED ANTISEMITISM IN SOCIETY.


I especially admire Jewish people that have the courage to separate themselves from the politics, long lived indoctrination and rhetoric defining the dynamics for some the past 8 months(centuries) and instead, use RIGHT vs WRONG and humanity to see with crystal clarity. 

Focusing instead on ending the war in Gaza. To save the innocents in Gaza. To save Israel's future and begin repairing the unprecedented damage to Israel's credibility. 


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"Not in our/my Name!"

Resisting the temptation to be defensive and instead, they focus on a message that puts the blame squarely on the people at the very root cause of this.

The governments and DIABOLICAL POLITICIANS/LEADERS of Israel and the United States!



By WxFollower - June 15, 2024, 2 p.m.
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Mike said: “Antisemitism is up by triple digit % in many place BECAUSE OF what the Jewish State, Israel is doing in Gaza.”

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Hey Mike,

 If I were wording this, I’d change that from A.S. to “A.S. incidents” tripled. An unknown % of the folks committing these incidents were already A.S. Of course, there’s absolutely no legit excuse for anyone anywhere to commit A.S. incidents/be anti-semitic regardless of what Israeli leaders have decided to do in this war. They as a group have been victims of A.S. for 2,000 yrs!

By metmike - June 15, 2024, 3:50 p.m.
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How about this:

Antisemitism INCIDENTS ARE up by triple digit % in many place BECAUSE OF what the Jewish State, Israel is doing in Gaza. We should be focusing on REDUCING INCIDENTS AND FIGHTING AGAINST LONG LIVED ANTISEMITISM IN SOCIETY.

By WxFollower - June 15, 2024, 10:02 p.m.
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Hey Mike,

 That sounds more accurate to me. Thanks.

By WxFollower - June 21, 2024, 12:28 p.m.
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Hey Mike,

 I bet you’ll like this tweet’s Tik Tok from lib Jewish American Lily Greenberg, whose view I bet closely represents a large portion of lib Jewish Americans. She resigned from the Biden Admin over their Israeli policy. She’s against AIPAC because she doesn’t feel it cares about Jews and Israelis but rather is pretty much a pro war lobby that hides behind the Jewish people. She implied she used to be pro-AIPAC. Keep in mind that most Jewish Americans are lib (to the dismay of mcfarm).

 She calls the many deaths and much destruction “genocide” in Gaza, which is very highly debatable. But the point of my posting this isn’t to debate that. It is to show that American Jews are very far from being a monolith and that a large portion are against the current Israeli war policy (not “anti-Israel”, which I’d consider anti-semitic):

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1804047394784387571/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1804047394784387571¤tTweetUser=abierkhatib


By metmike - June 24, 2024, 2:24 p.m.
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Thanks, Larry!

Israel has only itself to blame for this continuing escalation because of its crystal clear ethnic cleansing/genocide by ALL LEGIT OBJECTIVE STANDARDS:

              

      Threats of all-out war grow between Israel and Hezbollah    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-g3tHgUfW0


For those that disagree, I ask if Israel is better off or worse off today than 8 months ago?

Is Israel more or less respected in 90% of the world?

Is there more antisemitism or less antisemitism in our country and most countries in the world?

Has Israel used tens of billion in resources that could have been spent on more productive things that benefited Israel or was this the most productive use of the money?

Does the country of Israel have more enemies or less enemies and are its enemies more determined to destroy Israel or less determined to destroy Israel?


Why are the pro Israel sources pushing so hard for the WORST POSSIBLE agenda and path forward?

With friends like this.............who needs enemies (which Israel already has big time).

I am a FRIEND OF ISRAEL!

Sad to see them destroying themselves under the pretense of eliminating Hamas. 

There are something like 20,000 members of Hamas which they are NOT going to eliminate as they commit outrageous war atrocities, almost daily that enrage most of the world.

But there are 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world.

That's 100,000 Muslims for every 1 member of Hamas. It's retarded math and logic to try to target Hamas, blatantly violating most Muslims (and the rest of the world to some extent)   this way and magnify the hate and incentive to wipe out Israel in a group that is 100,000 times larger than Hamas.

Netanyahu is a diabolical, charismatic psychopath leading a profoundly powerful country that is blatantly abusing their technological advantage to obliterate 2 million innocent people, mostly children and women.

With 100% confidence, Netanyahu's legacy in the history books that generations to come read about, will describe a very evil man with ethical/moral depravity, listed in the pathetic leaders  hall of fame for state sponsored humanity violations. 


By WxFollower - June 24, 2024, 3:08 p.m.
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Mike said: 

“There are something like 20,000 members of Hamas which they are NOT going to eliminate.

But there are 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world.

That's 100,000 Muslims for every 1 member of Hamas. It's retarded math and logic to try to target Hamas, blatantly violating most Muslims (and the rest of the world to some extent)   this way and magnify the hate and incentive to wipe out Israel in a group that is 100,000 times larger than Hamas.”

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Hey Mike,

 I understand. But keep in mind that the 20K or so Hamas members (per your #) were mostly within what were 2,000,000 Gazans at the start of the war. That’s 100 times instead of 100,000 times. Is that a better way to assess the ratio? Why are you comparing the number of Hamas members with worldwide Muslim pop.?


By metmike - June 24, 2024, 3:21 p.m.
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AIPAC unleashes a record $14.5 million bid to defeat a critic of Israel

https://www.ekathimerini.com/nytimes/1242164/aipac-unleashes-a-record-14-5-million-bid-to-defeat-a-critic-of-israel/

Accusations fly as pro-Israel groups spend big to oust progressive House Democrat

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/23/democratic-house-primary-new-york-jamaal-bowman


AIPAC to spend $100 million against Democratic candidates who have not been supportive of Israel: Report

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/2900438/aipac-to-spend-100-million-against-democratic-candidate-not-been-supportive-israel-report/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=WE_Search_Brand-June&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsuSzBhCLARIsAIcdLm55n84qpsu8sXdut_RcscTeZ0NVn_J0DYSrzTM4b_G0fdHrIjPZJfsaArt_EALw_wcB



AIPAC uncorks $100 million war chest to sink progressive candidates

Building on a successful playbook from 2022, AIPAC and other aligned groups are picking their targets — many more of them this time.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552



AIPAC Set to Spend $100 Million to Unseat Lawmakers Critical of Israeli Crimes

https://truthout.org/articles/aipac-set-to-spend-100-million-to-unseat-lawmakers-critical-of-israeli-crimes/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsuSzBhCLARIsAIcdLm7S8kjeYK3eFjToXIPwOC6CrEzOFdJtRFer2bx8H8GSP7g7Ixb7TOUaAgadEALw_wcB

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Instead of trying to silence people who are justifiably critical of an evil agenda and make themselves look bad for supporting a continuation of the evil regime that is, ironically destroying Israel's credibility, AIPAC would better serve Israel by taking a clear thinking, rational path forward which seeks, not to eliminate opposition but to eliminate its own destructive forces from within. 

By metmike - June 24, 2024, 4:05 p.m.
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Thanks, Larry,

I disagree. Maybe the point wasn’t made clear.

The entire world is viewing and reading about these events all day long.

There is widespread outrage by billions NOT living in Gaza......that ARE NOT Hamas.

This war is providing massive incentive to hate Jews and Israel AROUND THE WORLD. 

This war is providing massive incentive for others to obtain the MINDSET of Hamas and want to hurt Israel/Jews to hold them accountable for their ethnic cleansing/atrocities.

The metric I’m comparing with is THE MUSLIM WORLD.

This is still ignoring the other 6 billion people, some of which are outraged and incentivized to hate Israel.

The pro Israel groups appear to be completely oblivious to this fact with their counterproductive defending of this genocide.

By metmike - July 18, 2024, 3:44 p.m.
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Netanya is loving all the chaos in the US.........taking the heat off of his genocide in Gaza.

Biden, who spent a great deal of time talking and threatening but had no actions is now no longer relevant. 

Israel is looking forward to a Trump regime soon with his long history of being anti Muslim, pro Israel. His one sided,  Trump Peace Plans/Abraham Accords being solid evidence.

Great deal..........for Israel.

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Israel’s war on Gaza live: ‘Pattern of systematic mass killing’ continues

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/7/18/israels-war-on-gaza-live-all-rules-of-war-broken-as-gaza-schools-bombed

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We're well over 9 months into this!


Israeli lawmakers vote overwhelmingly against Palestinian statehood, challenging US policy    

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/middleeast/israel-us-biden-knesset-vote-palestinian-state-intl/index.html