MAGA war on Fauci/expertise
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Started by WxFollower - June 18, 2024, 8:49 a.m.

 “Rachel Maddow uses examples from Dr. Anthony Fauci's new book and the fact that Trump Republicans are still busy trying to persecute Fauci despite his heroic role in navigating deadly pandemics to illustrate the authoritarian bent of the Republican Party in the Trump era that cannot accept a voice of authority or expertise that outshines their leader.”


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-dr-fauci-exemplifies-the-trump-republican-war-on-expertise-213169221888

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By metmike - June 18, 2024, 9:07 a.m.
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Thanks much, Larry!

I get MAGA's obsession with attacking Fauci goes WAY beyond what the facts support. He did blatantly lie about the origin and covered up a bunch of stuff related to this. 

On the other hand he also presented the science extremely well and helped save millions of lives.

However, this particular source has a permanent case of severe TDS:

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/rachel-maddow-show-media-bias

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By WxFollower - June 18, 2024, 9:55 a.m.
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Mike said:

1) Thanks much, Larry!

I get MAGA's obsession with attacking Fauci goes WAY beyond what the facts support.

2) He did blatantly lie about the origin and covered up a bunch of stuff related to this.

3) However, this particular source has a permanent case of severe TDS

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Hey Mike,

 1) You’re welcome. Thanks for your reply and acknowledging that MAGA goes way beyond what the facts support regarding Fauci.

2) Fauci said last night that he never eliminated the possibility that it was accidentally created in a Chinese lab. However, he still maintains that the odds are that it was a natural spread from an animal in a wet Wuhan market.

 So, please explain why you think he blatantly lied about its origin. Please be as succinct as possible to make it easier to follow you.

3) I know Maddow is solidly left. And yes, she obviously is very anti-Trump. Guilty as charged. But as you do with solidly on the right sources like NY Post and Newsweek, you told me you post them often anyway because you agree with their reasoning/presentation. So, I believe you’re as guilty as I am in that way with using Maddow here.

 Maddow imo has for years presented very well why she’s so anti-Trump/MAGA views with strong factual backup. I happen to agree with her most of the time on her anti-Trump/MAGA views. She didn’t turn me into anti-Trump/MAGA as I was already there based on my own observations. Rather, she has helped me magnify feeling that way.  I feel she’s spot-on about Fauci though I liked Fauci from the start. I certainly didn’t need her to convince me of that.

By metmike - June 18, 2024, 11 a.m.
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On the road.

fauci is completely full of it on the origin and his positions.

fortunetely I posted on this befor e and will copy and add to it in  detroit

By metmike - June 18, 2024, 1:44 p.m.
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Amazingly, Fauci was just on NPR for an hour.

lots to share

By mcfarm - June 18, 2024, 4:01 p.m.
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for me a "scientist" would never have to lie about his position. Yes as time goes by science changes with wisdom. Fauci lied, stole, and cheated. He still to this sees nothing wrong in prancing around without a mask because he was entitled. Just like several others were caught breaking the rules they set forth for the common man. Yes not much has changed from he FDR rules. The few always rule the many. And Fauci thought sitting there like God was a perfect job for him and still does. Still waiting to see how all the "scientists" divided up the 780 million they got from big pharma. Now apply {unless he had an ulterior motive} and the real Fauci finally comes to light.

I think many people need to back to the first America heard of something like covid. Great Britain and the US worked together on experiments that led to the possibility of controlling the masses, while the few partied and played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpgXV23W6oQ   just watch the mounds of Fauci evidence

By metmike - June 19, 2024, 6:26 a.m.
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"Please be as succinct as possible to make it easier to follow you."

Thanks much, Larry!


In a discussion, when 1 person tries to dictate how the other person can respond, it's purely a  tactic used to win an argument and is in direct opposition to a mind searching for the objective truth. We are all most familiar with it in courtrooms when the prosecutor and defense attorney's both try to limit the responses of witnesses they are interrogating to a response THEY WANT in order to convince a jury of the verdict THEY WANT(sometimes  with just yes or no responses)  Defense attorneys of guilty as heck clients use it successfully to establish doubt, even when there should be no doubt.

When vandenplas and tim told me they wanted my response to be in this form, I scoffed at them and insisted, like I am now, that nobody here can tell another person, in what form a person they disagree with should respond. In my entire life I have made this request of others exactly ZERO times. it's a violation of my personal objective belief system(using the scientific method) which keeps an open mind and WANTS TO HEAR/READ EVERYTHING that other people have to say, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DISAGREE WITH ME.

MarketForum is an ANTI echo chamber. All points from everyone about everything in the form they choose to deliver it are welcomed.

However, I totally get that almost everybody here(including you) has strong opinions that they want to convince others to believe. This is completely legit and will always be respected, as will any tactics they may choose to employ to do it.  However, as the appointed referee here, attempting to be fair and unbiased, I'm recognizing when your tactic is being used and why its used for others to understand its significance.

This is not at all like me adjusting my verbiage or making changes to posts about antisemitism because i sincerely recognize your justified sensitivity as a jewish man.

You have a right to hate Donald Trump as you have indicated several times in the past and with  100% legit/justified reasons for doing so, HOWEVER, there is no SENSITIVITY element here similar to how Jewish people are greatly offended on the topic about people HATING THEM.  

Ironically, your request for me to be succinct is not only denied but it will result in a NEW discussion that explains  why i will NEVER let anybody tell anybody else how they are to reply. 

By metmike - June 19, 2024, 6:34 a.m.
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"3) I know Maddow is solidly left. And yes, she obviously is very anti-Trump. Guilty as charged. But as you do with solidly on the right sources like NY Post and Newsweek, you told me you post them often anyway because you agree with their reasoning/presentation. So, I believe you’re as guilty as I am in that way with using Maddow here."

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Thanks, Larry!

You missed the most important element defining this principle that you correctly pointed out used by me.

When I'm applying it, the beginning point for me ALWAYS includes an open mind, objectively looking at information of BOTH SIDES and NEVER, intentionally searching for one sided sources only because they state what i want to be true. I often post articles here that DISAGREE with me, then provide MY EVIDENCE for why they are wrong.

You are anything but objective on Trump and only post anti Trump things here. NEVER anything positive.

Everyone knows that I bash the heck out of Trump for good reasons that you agree with(and MAGA greatly disagrees with) but also,  I vehemently DEFEND TRUMP in no uncertain terms when he gets a raw deal. Clearly proving open mindedness and objectivity. 

Trying to use MY application of this on other topics (to yours on Trump/MAGA/MSNBC  is NOT VALID.

You hate Trumps guts! Your source hates Trumps guts(along with MAGA). You choose this blatantly biased source based on YOUR blatant bias without applying the scientific method to give equal weighting to the opposite position. 

Thats what ALMOST everybody does everywhere and it goes without saying with 1 exception. YOU  USED ME AS YOUR EXAMPLE FOR DOING IT and I just explained (proved with authentic facts) why it's NOT TRUE in much of my posting …though I’m human and have a strong bias on some things that can’t always be suppressed.

Like with the current wars right now.

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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/105039/#105086

Important update from Larry:

It is true that I rarely post anything positive about Trump. But it isn’t true that I NEVER post anything positive about Trump. For example, I gave him full credit for Operation Warp Speed. And I credited him with getting the Israeli embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Also, I’ve said that his cognition is nowhere near as bad as Biden’s. The babbling that I’ve mentioned is a different issue. I’ve recently implied he’s been stronger on illegal immigration issues.

                                    


By metmike - June 19, 2024, 7:05 a.m.
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With that out of the way, let's discuss Fauci.

As indicated with past posts, with an open mind, I can see both sides with Fauci. 

I'll post them as evidence.


I really can't think of a better communicator in my life time. He is extremely charismatic and during the COVID pandemic, saved many millions of lives by communicating the science of getting vaccinated to strengthen our immune response to COVID. 

I literally made 1,000 posts here debunking the anti COVID vax far right/MAGA crowd and defending the exact same position as Fauci. 

      COVID vaxx DISinformation/information compilation           
                Started by metmike - July 23, 2022, 5:07 p.m.
            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/87451/

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Why do Covid frontline workers refuse to be vaccinated ?            

                                       Started by GunterK - Aug. 5, 2021, 1:02 p.m.       

     https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73179/

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     Re: Re: Youtube is protecting us          

                                                      By metmike - Nov. 2, 2021, 7:04 p.m. 

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                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Science in the covid/vaccine world… are you kidding me???     

                       By metmike - Sept. 28, 2021, 2:27 p.m.            

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                A scientist speaks about the Covid vaxx            

                            37 responses |                                   

                Started by GunterK - Aug. 18, 2021, 6:17 p.m.           

 https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73846/

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                about those "frontline doctors" and their cure for Covid19            

                            Started by GunterK - Aug. 3, 2020, 1:39 p.m.      

      https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/57173/

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                Re: Re: Re: Re: Tucker Carlson interview       

                By metmike - Feb. 14, 2024, 11:07 a.m.                        

The only reason this anti science quack has a job is because he's a puppet for Ron DeSantis (his boss) in Florida.

Column: Meet the most dangerous quack in America

https://news.yahoo.com/column-meet-most-dangerous-quack-110058756.html

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     COVID RE-VISITED            

                12 responses |        

                Started by 12345 - Nov. 2, 2022, 12:53 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/90229/

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   90,000 US COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented            

                          Started by metmike - Jan. 9, 2022, 4:23 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/80126/

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Rural/Republican states hit hardest by COVID            

                                        Started by metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 7:40 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73407/

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Biden shines-incredible story!            

                                     Started by metmike - June 2, 2022, 6:52 p.m.

            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85199/

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Re: Re: Science in the covid/vaccine world… are you kidding me???                 

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                            "How many real Covid hospitalization are there?    We don’t know."


Wow Gunter............so all these nurses and doctors and hospitals are totally lying about every bed being filled up in there ICU and are just making up that the patients have COVID and were not vaccinated so they can TURN AWAY really sick people because they are dishonest health care people that are just lazy and don't want to help extremely sick people. They are all pretending that they have to ration healthcare to TRICK YOU....even if it kills lots of very sick people who are being denied ICU beds that are filled up with non vaccinated, very sick people.
This actually happened to the father of one of my wifes employees yesterday. I guess metmike is part of the conspiracy in making it up to trick you.


                By metmike - Sept. 27, 2021, 4:39 p.m.            
            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75440/#75486


It's not just made up stats from the government or Fauci or the CDC or nefarious sources all colluding to try to trick you to get vaccinated. This is the most paranoid completely made up thing that I've witnessed in my life................by a wide margin. .........and now, even metmike is part of it.
I watched Tucker Carlson on FOX last night. No wonder people believe this bunk. He spent half the show telling ...
By metmike - June 19, 2024, 7:11 a.m.
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                By metmike - Oct. 5, 2021, 12:49 p.m.            

                                   

Thanks mcfarm,

I totally understand where you are coming from. 

I watched FOX again last night and just like the last time that I watched, Tucker focused much of his show bashing Fauci over some of the most stupid, non scientific things ever and continued the false rhetoric of totally manufactured fake realities of the "Fauci religion" that includes all this paraphernalia that doesn't exist(he completely conjured up). I'm sure you know it well by now. 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75431/#75433

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75431/#75514

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75350/#75374

This actually is well beyond the Trump Derangement syndrome that at least was often based on some realities and facts. They distorted and exaggerated those facts but at least there was a grain of truth much of the time with TDS.

With FDS, what Tucker spent much of his time on was actually the complete opposite of the truth and the total opposite of authentic science. I thought TDS could not be exceeded for the intensity of hatred and DISinformation but here, just a year later Tucker has easily topped it by almost an order of magnitude on the fraudulence scale.

There are performances based purely on science fiction that have much more truth to them than Tuckers lies about Fauci last night.

Don't worry about about sharing this sincere opinion here mcfarm, that's not why I suspended Gunter for. I get this.

Gunter had turned(abused)  MarketForum into his own personal anti COVID vaccine propaganda tool with almost 250  neurotic, obsessive anti COVID vaccine posts this year, mostly NOT rooted in authentic, objective science and many of them using the complete opposite of that.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75716/#75740

 

I only asked him to use science and credible sources if he wanted to continue on that path and he immediately responded by doing the 100% opposite with an "in your face" display of him telling us that he will do what he wants to do here.

We still allow everybody to voice every opinion on everything like before. No changes........this was an entirely self inflicted penality that Gunter had been warned about for a couple of months now(with a couple of private emails back in August).

Like I did during the Trump administration for cliff and others who came here only to bash Trump(and I never banned them for just that).

I will create a Fauci bashing thread and would appreciate it if you could use that thread for this topic.........and do it with no limits. 

                Fauci bashing thread            

                            Started by metmike - Oct. 5, 2021, 12:54 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75789/

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                Re: Science in the covid/vaccine world… are you kidding me???            

         

                By metmike - Sept. 26, 2021, 5:04 p.m.                       

                   Gunter,

You keep bringing up Dr. Fauci in many of your posts. I bring him up, mostly as an observation of you bringing him up.

Of the hundreds of posts by metmike on this, find me one that tells people they should follow what Fauci says because he's the authority? It could never happen because I NEVER follow one person or group. I ALWAYS follow the science and data.

Clearly, you are obsessed with Fauci and the CDC and the government, constantly ranting about how horrible he is and use it as a reason to convince people to not believe in anything that he says..........including authentic science because it came from him.

Wouldn't it just be so much easier if you uust opened your mind and accepted the data and authentic  science instead of letting your FDS(Fauci Derangement Syndrome) and anti government bias obliterate your open mindedness.

 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75252/#75261

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75252/#75262

Note the example of what's going on in the real world in Alaska(any many other states):

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75405/#75412


These are all honest people in Alaska and the other 49 states reporting this data. This is all real data about real people that are really filling up hospitals and really dying. They are not trying to trick you into getting vaccinated to take control of your life or make money for some self serving motive. They are ALL trying to save lives and most of them are getting pretty frustrated for dedicating their lives for that cause which is being sabotages by very confused people being misled by junk science and DISinformation.

Gunter,

I encourage you to open your mind and Jump ships from the team of bad guys and join the good guys trying to save lives by encouraging vaccinations! Yeah, I know that it includes Fauci which is like Satan to you but pretend that Fauci never existed and that you didn't have to knee jerk, reject all of his advice. 

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                fauci financials                                                    

                Started by mcfarm - Jan. 15, 2022, 10:28 a.m.  

          https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/80422/


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                Rand Paul vs Dr. Fauci            

                            Started by metmike - Jan. 12, 2022, 11:58 a.m.

            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/80242/

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                defend this one MM                        

                Started by mcfarm - Oct. 26, 2021, 10:13 a.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/76693/

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                Prof. Kary Mullis, fascinating and fun scientist            

                            Started by hayman - Oct. 3, 2021, 2:11 p.m.      

      https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75716/

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                Dr Fauci on the "hot seat"          

                Started by GunterK - May 29, 2021, 2:26 p.m.       

     https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/70169/

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This was the point in time when I went from being a Fauci fan to a Fauci critic:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/57123/#57135

                By metmike - Aug. 2, 2020, 11:43 p.m.            

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                Anthony Fauci-COVID-19 Task Force            

                            Started by metmike - March 28, 2020, 10:38 p.m. 

           https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/49666/

"This guy deserves the highest possible award/recognition that our country can bestow on one of its citizens."

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By metmike - June 19, 2024, 7:57 a.m.
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I'll provide the posts, evidence on him covering up the lab leak now.

So far, this proves 2 things, Larry.


1. My open minded, objective position on Fauci is NOT to be compared as similar to your TDS position on Trump in order to defend your biased tactic here.

2. The absurdity of you trying to tell me to respond succinctly is like insisting a bird not fly or  fish not swim.  

By metmike - June 19, 2024, 8:18 a.m.
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"Fauci said last night that he never eliminated the possibility that it was accidentally created in a Chinese lab."


Thanks, Larry.

Here's the proof of Fauci lying about his original position:

Here’s What Dr. Fauci Has Said About Covid’s Origins And The Lab Leak Theory

Timeline

   

April 3, 2020 Fauci calls for China to “shut down” its wet markets during an interview with Fox News, as many scientists first believed an outdoor live animal market in Wuhan, China, was the source of the outbreak. 

      

April 17, 2020 Rebuffing then-President Donald Trump, Fauci downplays the possibility of a lab leak, saying the virus’ “mutations” are “totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.”

        

May 4, 2020 In his strongest statement yet against the theories of a genetically engineered virus, Fauci tells National Geographic in an interview he’s “very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated” and adds all signs indicate the virus “evolved in nature and then jumped species.”

      

March 26, 2021 After making no substantial assertions about the origin of the virus for nearly a year, Fauci brushes aside former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield’s comments about the possibility of a lab leak as just an “opinion.” 

    

May 11, 2021 Fauci gets into a heated back and forth with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) during Senate testimony over unsubstantiated allegations about a link between a Wuhan, China lab and the National Institutes of Health (NIH), before the disease expert tells Paul he’s “fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in China.”     


            

May 23, 2021 One week after a group of 18 prominent scientists published a letter in Science saying that natural spread and a lab accident were both “viable” explanations, Fauci tells PolitiFact’s Katie Sanders he’s "not convinced" Covid came about naturally, and says the U.S. “should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened." 

    

May 24, 2021 One day after the Wall Street Journal reports details of a U.S. intelligence report that found several Wuhan Institute of Virology scientists were hospitalized with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019, Fauci tells CBS News he still believes it is “highly likely” that the virus first occurred naturally but wants further investigation (he adds that does not mean he believes the lab leak theory.)

    

June 3, 2021 Fauci hits back at Republicans who accused the doctor of downplaying the Wuhan lab leak theory in a April 2020 email exchange obtained by the Washington Post and Buzzfeed News, calling it “nonsense” GOP lawmakers have latched on to his comments as proof of something nefarious. 

    

June 3, 2021 Fauci tells CNN he still believes “the most likely origin is from an animal species to a human but I keep an absolutely open mind that there may be other origins,” adding, “It could have been a lab leak.”


Chief Critic

“We’ve always said ‘keep an open mind and continue to look,’” Fauci told CBS News on Wednesday. “So I think it’s a bit of a distortion to say that we deliberately suppressed” the lab leak theory

Crucial Quote

"If it isn't manipulated in the lab and you're trying to say it escaped from the lab, then how did it get in the lab? It got in the lab because somebody isolated it from the environment,” Fauci told National Geographic in May. “That's why I don't spend a lot of time in that circular argument.”

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6-19-24: There's just no way to sugar coat or spin this. Fauci is blatantly lying about what his original position was for over a year, when he absolutely DID NOT have an open mind.

Even today, when he claims that he always had an open mind, he usually follows that up immediately with an explanation that demonstrates a person that absolutely DOES NOT HAVE AN OPEN MIND on this topic today!

When people lie like this, its almost always because they have something to hide.

Otherwise, why not just tell the truth?

There is almost always a reason that relates to the truth HURTING THEM. In this case, the somersaults and back flips from the Fauci natural source advocates are so impossible to believe that the cover up is crystal clear.

These virologist gatekeepers are covering up the truth because it SO DANG DAMAGING TO THE WORK THEY WERE DOING.

THEY CAUSED COVID!!!  

The incentive to lie and cover it up to protect themselves is probably the greatest for any cover up in the history of the human race.

The rock solid proof will never happen because the gatekeepers that control the messages, also have(HAD) the evidence which was long ago destroyed.

Can you imagine the consequences to them for doing this?????


By metmike - June 19, 2024, 8:38 a.m.
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                By metmike - June 3, 2024, 4:19 p.m.            

            

Damning new report finds China lab leak most likely source of COVID-19 — and blames US for pumping millions into the dangerous research

  Published June 3, 2024, 2:55 p.m. ET

https://nypost.com/2024/06/03/us-news/us-funded-covid-lab-leak-in-china-damning-report-finds/

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Metmike; DUGH!

There are 10,000 cities on this planet but only 1, Wuhan experimenting with coronavirus's just like the one that started the COVID outbreak.

If all 10,000 cities were experimenting with COVID type virus's the chance that it escaped from that lab in Wuhan would be something like 10,000 to 1.

However, this was the ONLY city/lab experimenting with this virus and it just happened to show up for the first time on the planet...........outside the lab AND for this virus to come from nature, it would have had to do a miraculous genetic leap that can't be explained with authentic science.

So what was the chance of it coming from the lab without having the indisputable, smoking gun evidence?

Something like 99.99999%.

Analogy:

On Saturday, I didn't stand over my rain gauge and actually watch the rain going in.

However, I know that it rained for numerous hours from being out in it. I watched radar images. There was a ton of water on top our pool cover and puddles everywhere.

But maybe,..........my neighbor took his garden hose and snuck over to my house and sprayed water into the rain gauge??

That COULD have happened because I wasn't standing guard over the rain gauge/didn't have a security camera pointed at it.

That's about the validity of the insane natural origin theories we heard about the COVID virus!

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                Re: Re: Re: COVID ORIGIN                          

                By metmike - June 27, 2023, 10:14 p.m.         

100% total hogwash, conspiracy theory crapola!


I say that as an objective scientist that spent many hundreds of hours studying it.


Here's some links for you to ignore because you guys will believe what you want to believe, regardless of whether its authentic science or the truth. 

I'll give you the short version/review first.

1. COVID was not intentionally released for the bs reasons this conspiracy theorist claims. It was an accident from a lab in Wuhan that was doing research on this virus.

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                 HUNTER PLEA DEAL            

                By metmike - June 26, 2023, 11:26 a.m.          

            

I've even greatly adjusted my views on religion the last couple of decades which is something completely based on faith/which can't be proven.

I greatly admired Fauci in the first year of COVID fighting(2020) and have done a big turnaround (COVID came from a lab in Wuhan without a doubt) but still don't line up with the tactics and reasoning of the right, especially with regards to their DISinformation on COVID vaccines that killed 100,000 anti COVID vaccine Rs in the first year after the vaccines came out.

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                Re: Re: Re:  Extremely DANGEROUS enemy of the people           

                                        

                By metmike - March 9, 2023, 2:37 p.m.                        

                                

Ironically, last night, Fox covered the origin of the COVID virus and has been one of the few places to nail the truth from the get go.

Anybody with common sense knows that it came from the Wuhan Lab, despite the cover up by corrupt/dishonest scientists(again, you would be shocked at some of the flawed, unethical and anti scientific behavior of many scientists).

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93474/

           

No one believed the Covid Wuhan lab leak theory – then the world changed its tune

               

Idea that the virus escaped from Chinese city used to be widely dismissed, but is now becoming ever more plausible 

    


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/08/covid-china-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

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Here's an example of one of  the thousands of articles which were the product of corrupt science(tists) trying to cover up this apocalyptic accident by scientists. With the media more than happy to be complicit in the covering up crime.

Evidence suggests pandemic came from nature, not a lab, panel says

https://www.science.org/content/article/evidence-suggests-pandemic-came-nature-not-lab-8m panel-says

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We should note the immediate diversion by scientists to the natural cause and trying to crush any discussions about a lab leak as conspiracy theories and wacko's.

This was IMMEDIATELY after the virus emerged before there was even enough data/evidence, science or investigating to have any idea where it came from.

That by itself is proof of the ones that really knew it was a leak trying to create a completely false narrative ASAP because first impressions and the human psyche dictate that, once a person believes something.........they process all new information base on what they think that they know.

In this case, the early assumption of the natural cause caused everybody to believe only explanations of a natural cause and reject anything that suggested a lab leak.

The extremely left  biased NYT was and still is suffering from this impact. 

Again, just another source(though much more credible and professional than Fox) that tells readers the news the way they want to read it.........not always the truth but the news spun and sometimes abusing authentic facts(like with the fake climate crisis) so the product sells to people (and makes money for that for profit operation) who come there to read that exact spin. 

If the NYT suddenly took on a much farther right bias.........they would lose many of their readers and go out of business.

If Fox in the evenings flipped to broadcasting much more liberal stuff.....their ratings would crash and they would struggle to make a profit.

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                Covid-19 confusion             

                            11 responses |                             .            

                Started by metmike - Feb. 27, 2023, 6:57 p.m.            

                                        

New assessment on the origins of Covid-19 adds to the confusion  

 https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-origins-doe-assessment-what-matters/index.html

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                Re: Covid-19 confusion           

           

                By metmike - Feb. 27, 2023, 7:06 p.m.            

                      Confusion?

Only if you believe  propaganda and absurd retarded science.

                COVID lab leak chances? 99%+            

                            Started by metmike - July 2, 2021, 10:04 p.m.                           metmike: That's my opinion.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71937/

                         


            

                

By metmike - June 19, 2024, 9:19 a.m.
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More on what I perceived that's new about Fauci's personality and credibility from his 1 hour (damage control) interview on NPR yesterday.


Fauci is a brilliant guy and he knows how to work the system.

He's clearly been sending out press releases about himself to all the major MSM news organizations this month to offset his interrogation and promote himself.

For instance, he contacted NPR, CBS, MSNBC and others and promised them an interview or did a write up about himself for them to publish. 


Dr. Anthony Fauci turned down millions to leave government work fighting infectious diseases

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                    / CBS News   


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dr-anthony-fauci-turned-down-millions-to-leave-government-work-fighting-infectious-diseases/

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Dr. Anthony Fauci says empathy motivated his medical career but an old phrase from high school kept him going    

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/18/health/fauci-memoir-gupta-interview/index.html


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Maddow: Dr. Fauci exemplifies the Trump Republican war on expertise


https://www.facebook.com/reel/1014723253374514


I know. I was in that business for 11 years. I got these chess interviews/stories about my dad by doing a press release. Press releases like these are like manna from heaven for reporters. Great stories are gifted to them and all they have to do is.........publish them or send a reporter to cover them or do an interview:


                Re: Re: Hey Traders & Fourmites!                       

                By metmike - June 2, 2024, 1:39 p.m 


This is where being on television for 11 years helped me to understand the value of press releases.

If you think there's a story worth covering, good or bad,  write the story up, including the detailed evidence, including the impact on people/you, including the reasons that v viewers/readers would be interested in it, then go online and get the contact information for the ASSIGNMENT editors/new directors, consumer advocate reporters and others at each media source and send out a press release to ALL OF THEM at once.

1. You are doing them a favor. These entities are looking for interesting stories to cover all day, every day. That's their business.

2. The more information you provide, the less investigating they have to do and the more compelling your story might be, to the point of them deciding to use it.

3. You can use them, as well as your state's attorney general to force somebody screwing you over to be held accountable. I've done it with the attorney general half a dozen times and won every time except once. I did it for my elderly Dad in Detroit after Stan's garage ripped him off and got him $500 back. These business would much rather pay you, than to have your complaint on their record at the attorney general 

4. I did a press release to get a tv station and newspaper to cover this story about me and my dad's chess playing.  Sent it to around 10  local Detroit area media contacts at once and got 1 from tv and  1 from print to cover it(I was hoping maybe more but those stories from almost 8 years ago are on the internet.........FOREVER and I've shared them with thousands of people).

When these media sources cover and share it online, there's the chance that it will get passed on further by others who see it.  With the chess story, the most famous women's grand master in the world, Susan Polgar searching for chess stuff to put on her site, found it and posted it. 

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By metmike - June 19, 2024, 11:56 a.m.
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In many of these interviews, including NPR yesterday Fauci almost always tells stories that describe  himself as always being right, standing up for science and ALWAYS going way out of his way to bring in his honesty and truthfulness in tough situations where lesser men would have caved in from outside pressures.

My impression is that people that do this constantly about themselves  are likely:

1. Arrogant narcissists embellishing because of their massive egos

2, Trying to cover up for something bad and throw people off course by constantly telling stories that portray themselves as the complete opposite of and incapable of doing the bad thing they are accused of.

3. Keep in mind that I spent 25+ times more effort on  posting in defense of Fauci and his COVID science and his greatly admirable  COVID vaccination effort. In that world, I wish that this TRUTH about him was NOT TRUE but the authentic facts, evidence and truth presented here in NON succint but comprehesive fashion (-:  all point, sadly to Fauci covering up the lap leak and lying about it.  

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When questioned on Trump, he chose to talk about the negatives,  how Trump wanted to ignore the threat and made it much harder to do his job and wouldn't wear a mask to set a good example.... when he was insisting everybody wear a worthless CLOTH MASK, instead of N95 masks that work(which is what I stated here dozens of times) .

Fauci's position on cloth masks is what first starting turning me to realize his was blatantly flawed..........but I still defending his many good contributions.

With NPR, He never once mentioned or defended that Trump banned people from China coming here BEFORE COVID hit the US. ........and Trump was crucified as being a xenophobe.

Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Nonimmigrants of Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus

Healthcare

Issued on:

                
          
  

                          Operation Warp Speed:                          Accelerated COVID-19 Vaccine Development Status and Efforts to Address Manufacturing Challenges              

   
    GAO-21-319                              Published: Feb 11, 2021. Publicly Released: Feb 11, 2021.    
                https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-319

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                        Trump Administration Collaborates With Moderna to Produce 100 Million Doses of COVID-19 Investigational Vaccine        

        

                                        Aug. 11, 2020

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2309561/trump-administration-collaborates-with-moderna-to-produce-100-million-doses-of/

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With Fauci narrating the story, this is all left out and instead his version features the great Anthony Fauci fighting for truth, justice and science and President Trump getting in the way. 

The main reason that Fauci gets away with it is that he uses his hall of fame charisma and communicating skills to bamboozle listeners that lack the authentic facts or that are anti MAGA and want to believe ALL HIS VERSIONS.

I do believe MANY TO MOST of his versions on the science based on authentic facts.

I completely reject his versions on the origin based on the authentic facts and crystal clear cover up. 

I completely reject the contrived/manufactured  versions of himself, based on the authentic facts. 

By WxFollower - June 19, 2024, 2:38 p.m.
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Hey Mike,

 The reason I requested a response as succinct as possible was to allow me to read through and understand/digest it within a relatively short period of time so I could then respond back fairly quickly. It wasn’t to try to limit the points you wanted to make and weaken your defense of why you think he lied about the COVID origin. I’m sorry that this offended you. I won’t ask you to do that in the future. Regardless, I don’t know when (what day?) I’ll get a chance to read everything, including the links to the sources, and allow me to respond properly. Please don’t interpret my slowness in getting back as giving up on this debate. Until then I’m sticking with my feeling that he wasn’t lying about the origins. After I read through all of your replies, I plan to respond. That will be one of 3 things: you convince me that he lied, you didn’t convince me at all that he lied and thus I don’t change my mind, or something in between. (Aside: you said “You are anything but objective on Trump and only post anti Trump things here. NEVER anything positive.”

 It is true that I rarely post anything positive about Trump. But it isn’t true that I NEVER post anything positive about Trump. For example, I gave him full credit for Operation Warp Speed. And I credited him with getting the Israeli embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Also, I’ve said that his cognition is nowhere near as bad as Biden’s. The babbling that I’ve mentioned is a different issue. I’ve recently implied he’s been stronger on illegal immigration issues.

 When I write I see it as a battle between being lengthy and succinct. If I’m too succinct, I may leave off something important. If I’m too lengthy, few may read it entirely or at least digest the gist. During the early period at the insurance company I worked for, I wrote numerous memos. And many of them were very LONG. I used to be made fun of for that reason. After reading back these memos to myself, I saw the light and realized that more isn’t necessarily good. I realized I could greatly improve my value if I could both shorten them and organize them better. One thing that was suggested by my boss was the use of bullet points.

 Ever since, I feel I became a much better writer. I try my best to employ these ideas here and elsewhere. In public posts, emails, texts, letters, etc. I try to make my points as succinctly as possible while still being thorough.

By metmike - June 19, 2024, 3:19 p.m.
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Thanks, Larry!

One of my biggest faults is writing dissertations that are longer than people want to read.

But the reader can decide what to read from ALL the evidence, not just a couple of hand picked gems to try to convince them of my position.

Almost ALL the evidence!  From every side as best that 1 person could compile it!

Fortunately, in this case I  had already spent hundreds of hours compiling ALL the evidence to debunk the galactically insane far right COVID DISinformation and lies.

All i needed to do was go back and retrieve most of it.....to share once again.

Instead of 1 or 2 pieces of a massive puzzle at a time over the course of years.........The entire puzzle that fully reveals the crystal clear, comprehensive picture, all at once in 1 thread here.

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And I sincerely thank you for bringing it up and providing the opportunity for me to generously share it.......again.

With a minuscule fraction of the original research/work!

A couple of hours vs a couple of years!

Also, I appreciate your other wonderful posts here a great deal! 

People will always have disagreements and we can do that respectfully and maintain strong friendships simultaneously!

By WxFollower - June 19, 2024, 3:38 p.m.
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Mike,

YW.

 In case I missed I added these things to that post.

After I read through all of your replies, I plan to respond. That will be one of 3 things: you convince me that he lied, you didn’t convince me at all that he lied and thus I don’t change my mind, or something in between. (Aside: you said “You are anything but objective on Trump and only post anti Trump things here. NEVER anything positive.”

 It is true that I rarely post anything positive about Trump. But it isn’t true that I NEVER post anything positive about Trump. For example, I gave him full credit for Operation Warp Speed. And I credited him with getting the Israeli embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Also, I’ve said that his cognition is nowhere near as bad as Biden’s. The babbling that I’ve mentioned is a different issue. I’ve recently implied he’s been stronger on illegal immigration issues.

By metmike - June 19, 2024, 3:47 p.m.
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Thanks very much for updating me on those items regarding trump.

I completely missed them but believe you and will adjust the statement accordingly.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/105039/#105063

Important update from Larry:

It is true that I rarely post anything positive about Trump. But it isn’t true that I NEVER post anything positive about Trump. For example, I gave him full credit for Operation Warp Speed. And I credited him with getting the Israeli embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Also, I’ve said that his cognition is nowhere near as bad as Biden’s. The babbling that I’ve mentioned is a different issue. I’ve recently implied he’s been stronger on illegal immigration issues.

                                    


By metmike - June 22, 2024, 11:16 p.m.
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This guy repeats all the truths that make the COVID from nature explanation being junk science and absurd to anybody using critical thinking.

A huge cover up by top virologists covering for themselves, INCLUDING FAUCI.

Fauci is a brilliant man, NO WAY that he really believes in the crazy natural origin explanation.

                                            

      'Would Set Back Civilization About 250 Years': Scientist Issues Warning About Current Wuhan Lab Work    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx3wuVkBZFQ

By metmike - June 23, 2024, 6:29 a.m.
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'I've Never Seen Anything Like This': Rand Paul Calls Out Scientist's Correspondence With Fauci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z4t52gAy_Q

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BREAKING NEWS: Rand Paul Reads Out Secret Communications Of Fauci's Team About COVID-19's Origins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffb96crsVLI

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99%+ chance that the virus came from the lab and crystal clearly they are covering it up!

ALL the authentic evidence supports this and so many of the public statements contradict common sense and line up with propaganda narratives.



By metmike - June 23, 2024, 6:44 a.m.
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Here's Fauci lying about keeping an open mind from the beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk6y19AbLNE


Again, this is the TRUTH about what Fauci actually stated:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/105039/#105067

By metmike - June 23, 2024, 6:57 a.m.
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As stated emphatically, previously, Margie Green's unprofessional and disrespectful/personal attack on Fauci makes her a totally NOT credible source of anything. 

People like her are exactly what's most wrong with politicians!

She should be censored but sadly, her base eats this stuff up (which is why she does it to reinforce their love of her hate)

BREAKING: Chaos Erupts As Marjorie Taylor Greene Lobs 'Personal Attack' At Fauci, Dems Stop Hearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8AU5NFTDfg


By cutworm - June 23, 2024, 9:59 p.m.
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Green may seem outrageous, but she should not be censored. In the end who is to determine who should be censored? Every point of view should be allowed to be expressed.

In a recent post Mike was asked for a specific way to answer, but he protected his right to express his opinion his way.

Should not Green have the same? As long as no physical violence is involved.

By metmike - June 23, 2024, 11:46 p.m.
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Every point of view should be allowed to be expressed.


You're an extremely bright guy, cutworm. I think that you know this isn't about expressing a point of view.......which everybody should have.


With Fauci, this is just 1 egregious example of how she often behaves when she disagrees with somebody.

Personal attacks, hate, divisive and  playing to her far right audience that gives her positive reinforcement for this boorish, unprofessional and embarrassment/harmful to the R party.

Her base, that likes this and you defending her suggests you being in that camp thinks what?


TO EVERYONE: Pick as many of the 9 choices below that you think apply to Marjorie Greene when she behaves this way. Add your own choices.

BREAKING: Chaos Erupts As Marjorie Taylor Greene Lobs 'Personal Attack' At Fauci, Dems Stop Hearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8AU5NFTDfg

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1. This causes NEW people to understand her messages better and take her side.

2. This causes more people to like her.

3. This turns people off and causes her messages to be rejected when she behaves this way.

4. Causes people, who are NOT MAGA types  to greatly dislike Greene.

5. Makes no difference to anybody because most people just tune her out when she has a temper tantrum. 

6. Everybody in Congress should be more like Greene

7.  There should be consequences for this type of disrespectful behavior......regardless of the person;party.

8. She does this to get attention and make a play to her far right base.

9. She does this because she cares about America and it shouldn’t matter what tactics that she uses to accomplish her agenda.

If you make a pick(s) please tell us why this helps or hurts Rs and why you feel that way.

By cutworm - June 24, 2024, 7:27 p.m.
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Her base, that likes this and you defending her suggests you being in that camp thinks what?

Never said anything like that. I said she should not be censored, and that is all.

 Our brave solders died to give us the right to voice our opinions. 

 Weather I agree or disagree she, you, and I should be free to peacefully voice our opinions. And I have put my money where my mouth is.

By metmike - June 24, 2024, 11:32 p.m.
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 Our brave solders died to give us the right to voice our opinions.

cutworm,

You keep falling back to that narrative as if I disagree with you about that point, creating a strawman argument that doesn't exist.

I keep telling you and demonstrated it witgh posts, that I am all about everybody expressing opinions, especially when they disagree with mine/yours.

AGAIN,  people have a right to voice opinions, even crazy, conspiracy theory, WRONG opinions as long as they are not hurting other people............which is possible with people in power. 


People in power or in office that are followed by millions have more responsibility when expressing their opinions compared  your opinion or my opinion at market forum.

And opinion has exactly ZERO to do with my actual point about Greene. She could be right as rain about some facts related to  Fauci but during an important CONGRESSIONAL HEARING, there are behavior expectations of EVERYBODY, whether right or wrong. Whether upset or calm. Whether you love or hate the other person. This isn't an off the record, outside argument between 2 people......... it's a CONGRESSIONAL HEARING for pete's sakes. Can we not have bare bones minimum standards/expectations for behavior from these people in lofty positions, representing the American people,  during a VERY SERIOUS CONGRESSIONAL HEARING? 

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United States congressional hearing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_hearing

A United States congressional hearing is the principal formal method by which United States congressional committees collect and analyze information in the early stages of legislative policymaking.[1] Whether confirmation hearings (a procedure unique to the United States Senate), legislative, oversight, investigative, or a combination of these, all hearings share common elements of preparation and conduct.

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I would be more forgiving, if this was not an escalating pattern of behavior. Greene is the worst.

Name calling, personal attacks. We elected these people!!  Geesh!

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene insults colleague's appearance on House floor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okafqwnDC24


Chaos in Congress after Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene insults Dallas Rep. Jasmine Crockett

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/chaos-in-congress-after-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-insults-dallas-rep-jasmine-crockett/


A glance at Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s incendiary words-2021

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-technology-las-vegas-mass-shooting-media-social-media-700f28747d856a9bad22a59674a9afe6

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I see that nobody has been interested in making any choices with our survey.


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/105039/#105172the 

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Rand Paul is another person that feels the same way about Fauci as Greene.

He would never behave like Greene! Paul, whether you agree with him or not commands respect because of his professional, respectful demeanor.

Greene loses arguments that she's right about because people don't respect her......outside of the MAGA cult.