Testing to see if the moderator is blocked from this NEW thread too.

Nope, we're good...........for now!

If commodity man was also blocked, then I might guess that it was related to the thread being so long or it being intended for EVERYBODY here.

 But only metmike is unable to view and post at that thread anymore.

And it’s only that thread and a couple of others in the past, one of which was another recent , very long thread on Ukraine.

There's definitely something I can't explain going on which makes it impossible to pinpoint, I can only make educated guesses.

The Heavy Toll of Desertion From the Russian Army

The New York Timeshttps://www.nytimes.com › 2024/09/22 › magazine › de...

1 day ago — Desertion is dangerous, and deserters are afraid to speak out. Very few deserters from the Russian military have spoken to the news media.

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Most of the MSM tells us about the massive desertion of the Russian Army..........while the other side tells us this:

      80,000 Ukraine Soldiers 'Refuse' To Fight Russia; 'Mass Desertions' Hit Ukrainian Army - Report    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwJKHBUJsI

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Who is telling the truth or are they both telling the truth or are they both lying?

Here's what we know with 100% certainty(in a moment of honesty by the MSM)

             Ukraine anxious after Biden’s exit           

                By metmike - Sept. 8, 2024, 6:19 p.m.                      

THIS IS THE TRUTH THEY DON'T TELL YOU!!!

Outgunned and outnumbered, Ukraine’s military is struggling with low morale and desertion                                                    

By Ivana Kottasová and Kostya Gak, CNN         

  Published     Sun September 8, 2024    

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/08/europe/ukraine-military-morale-desertion-intl-cmd/index.html

            As a battalion commander, Dima was in charge of around 800 men who fought in some of the fiercest, bloodiest battles of the war – most recently near Pokrovsk, the strategic eastern town that is now on the brink of falling to Russia.    

But with most of his troops now dead or severely injured, Dima decided he’d had enough.

Two and half years of Russia’s grinding offensive have decimated many Ukrainian units. Reinforcements are few and far between, leaving some soldiers exhausted and demoralized. The situation is particularly dire among infantry units near Pokrovsk and elsewhere on the eastern front line, where Ukraine is struggling to stop Russia’s creeping advances.

CNN spoke to six commanders and officers who are or were until recently fighting or supervising units in the area. All six said desertion and insubordination are becoming a widespread problem, especially among newly recruited soldiers.

            Ukrainian soldiers in the area paint a grim picture of the situation. Kyiv’s forces are clearly outnumbered and outgunned, with some commanders estimating there are 10 Russian soldiers to each Ukrainian.   

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Based on this, the 2nd article is absolutely true and its only a matter of how HUGE the numbers are.

The 1st article MUST have SOME truth to it(based on common sense) but  the source only provides us with information about some Russian desertions, that it sensationalizes and covers up the CONFIRMED desertions about Ukraine desertions. This is what we call PROPAGANDA!

Exclusive: Zelenskyy says Ukraine's war with Russia is 'closer to the end'

https://abc11.com/politics/zelenskyy-says-ukraines-war-with-russia-is-closer-to-the-end/15345883/

"The plan of victory is strengthening of Ukraine," Zelenskyy told "GMA."

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he believes the war with Russia is "close to an end" than many believe and called on allies to strengthen Ukraine's army.

"The plan of victory is strengthening of Ukraine," Zelenskyy said during a sit-down interview with "Good Morning America" co-anchor Robin Roberts. "That's why we're asking our friends, our allies, to strengthen us. It's very important."

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He wants NATO to send in troops to replace the army that he killed off by sending them on suicide missions and that have been permanently disabled and that have deserted him because of the WORST military leadership in history making nothing but really, really bad decisions(for NATO-NOT Ukraine) and ZERO smart decisions in 31 months.

He absurdly wants us to think the war is close to the end because Ukraine is about to win. .......if only we just send more weapons and soldiers that have resulted in catastrophic losses so far for Ukraine.

But yes, they have weakened Russia, which is NATO's objective and Zelensky's boss.

Zelensky calls Vance ‘too radical,’ suggests he study WWII

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4895400-volodymyr-zelensky-jd-vance-too-radical/

In the interview, Zelensky said Vance’s “message seems to be that Ukraine must make a sacrifice.”

“The idea that the world should end this war at Ukraine’s expense is unacceptable,” the Ukrainian president continued.

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This is like.........another dimension hypocrisy. Zelensky just sacrificed most of his army and got his country decimated for NATO as the worst military leader in the history of the world and condemns a person with an idea that would stop his country and people from the enormous clobbering. Zelensky canceled elections  to keep from being voted out and is now a dictator in a country thats no longer a democracy. He is a NATO salesman, here in our country this week to criticize people in our democracy that won't support his NATO war. The entity that he stands for in every really bad policy and every really bad decision. The one that INTENTIONALLY  USED HIS PEOPLE that he's supposed to represent  and got them Decimated.

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“Let Mr. Vance read up on the history of the Second World War, when a country was forced to give part of its territory to one particular person,” Zelensky said"

Zelensky had the opportunity BEFORE the war to give up exactly ZERO territory and just agree to not let NATO expand into Ukraine. Zelensky's decision to abandon that option and betray his people (who elected him in 2019 on his platform of promising  to negotiate for peace  with Russia) for NATO and fight a war with Russia over NATO expansion into Ukraine is the reason Ukraine lost this land.

Zelenskys really bad decisions  are the reason that Ukraine is going to lose land!!!

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The audacity of this person, who has made himself a dictator of one of the most corrupt countries in the world coming here to the United States and telling us who we shouldn't vote for in our democratic elections!!!!!!!!!

This is how the giving up the land after you lose a war badly thing works in the REAL WORLD: 

      https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106160/#107577

   https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106160/#107578

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106160/#107586

Thanks much, commodityman!

It's nice to have you around in order to defeat the block placed on metmike that won't allow him to access anything from the 2 longest threads on Ukraine at MarketForum!!!

What the heck is the matter with people in our government and media???

We  actually elevated  and invited the  leader of one of the most corrupt country’s in the world  to come here,  that has already  fleeced  US tax  payers for $200,000,000,000  that he used to get his army, people and country decimated  with and that, millions were skimmed off by his corrupt government.

Now he’s here…AGAIN, demanding  even more money and criticizing  us for not  coughing up enough  support and weapons and  criticizing our politicians who have smart ideas to end his long war. to help the people that HES SUPPOSED TO HELP and stop the massive bleeding from every war torn oraface. 

And his  touted great plan to end the war  that he already lost, with this staged theatre  by the corrupt gatekeepers pulling his puppet strings is just another retarded plan to escalate even more  using our money and our resources!!!

Is this the Twilight zone??

Please , stop letting them do this to us!!

If this is a true democracy  that serves the people  WE MUST  STOP THEM FROM DOING THIS TO US!  
STOP BEING PERPETUAL SUCKERS IN DIABOLICAL WAR SCHEMES TO BENEFIT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL POLITICAL MEDIA  COMPLEX!

We can use this money to help less fortunate people in our country or the world. Or for 100 different positive, productive endeavers here or abroad.

Using it for this, comes in dead last on every sane list of priorities.

In fact, burning it in a fire or burying it 10 feet in the ground is a much better choice than using it  to hurt people and make the world a much WORSE PLACE.

There are 100+ countries in the world that could use our assistance. Many of them with people in poverty and in dire need of humanitarian aid.

But look at where we send our money. To an endeavor to kill people and decimate a country to make the world a much worse place........to benefit the self enriching agenda of the  corrupt Millitary-Industrial-Political-Media complex in the United States.

How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwl6-3BhBWEiwApN6_kp5c6e_7jqIgeaLC-ya7E9PM9qtEYxZsD1pfGMl-TBvLcdVUE_qtCBoCK-QQAvD_BwE

 At this very minute, the key snake from the corrupt foreign country pilfering us blind is actually  IN OUR COUNTRY. When he should be on the most wanted list for his crimes to his people, humanity and Americans, he's actually friggin in our country telling us we haven't given him enough money and resources for his diabolical objective. 

Pretending that we didn't flush the previous 200 billion down the toilet.......and that it just wasn't enough because his latest ruinous plan  just needs even more money/weapons. 

And if anybody speaks out like this with the truth about Zelensky and the war...........our government tries to  censor it and tells people that its nothing but Russian disinformation, propaganda and disinformation.

                DOJ-more Russia election interference             

                            Started by metmike - Sept. 5, 2024, 9:20 p.m.     

       https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/107217/

Look at the graph above, man. And that's just a part of it!

Regardless of your party, the numbers above are the same. The authentic truths about the Ukraine war are the same. Our role in perpetuating it for self enriching benefits of the elites in this country.......is the same with BOTH parties benefiting from the legal bribing with lobby and other money from powerful special interest groups/coalitions. 

West must boost aid to stop Russia plunging Ukraine into the dark, Borrell says

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/west-must-boost-aid-stop-russia-plunging-ukraine-into-dark-borrell-says-2024-09-24/

"Ukraine has to improve the military situation in order to go to the peace negotiations in a good way, in a position of strength," Borrell said.

"The Victory Plan is about how to conduct a war. The Peace Plan is about how to get peace," he said.

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Really bad decisions for Ukraine, 31 months in a row. Now they're going for 32 months in a row, with the exact same war prolonging schemes. Ukraine lost the war by every legit standard, now.

Their bargaining position has gone from losing ZERO land if done before they cut off negotiations with Putin BEFORE the war over NATO getting Ukraine.

Ukraine losing more and more land, almost every month. More and more damage EVERY DAY. More and more deaths, permanent disabilities and desertions EVERY SINGLE DAY!

Same plan as always. Keep fighting and claim that:

1. Ukraine is winning or

2. Ukraine can still win if they fight long enough to defeat Russia or

3. Ukraine can't win but they can end with a position of strength to negotiate better terms with.

Meanwhile in the real world it gets worse and worse and at the point where Ukraine's best option is to just surrender to stop the punishment their poor army, people and country are suffering from because Putin is NOT going to lose and the side supporting Ukraine has totally ignored what's best for Ukraine for 31 straight months of catastrophically bad decisions. ..............that have led directly to where this war is right now.

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Ukraine anxious after Biden’s exit            

                            By metmike - July 30, 2024, 2:43 p.m.                        

                Re: Re: A 10 YEAR DEAL WITH UKRAINE????!!!!!!!            

                By metmike - May 26, 2024, 3:59 p.m.            

                            Re: Re:  War in Ukraine drags on 9-3-23                        

                By metmike - Oct. 26, 2023, 3:56 p.m.            

September 2021 Biden and Zelensky discussing the dynamics of  expected war with Russia. Provoke him by cutting off negotiations with Putin and telling him that Ukraine was joining NATO whether he liked it or not. Despite Putin's insistence that he would keep NATO from expanding into Ukraine, even if he had to invade Ukraine to do it.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99443

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99446

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99761/#99771

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5-26-24

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9-24-24 update:

Putin 'Is Very Much Afraid' After Russians 'Saw He Could Not Defend All His Territory'

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vladimir-putin-is-very-much-afraid-after-kursk-incursion_uk_66f27b4ce4b0199dbefad023

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This just shows the complete incompetence of NATO/Ukraine war strategies and leadership and lack of comprehension by the propaganda pushing MSM!

What exactly were/are the NATO led Ukraine troops going to do in Russia after they invaded???

Other than waste limited Ukraine resources to defend itself(and help Putin) and increase the battlefield for Ukrainian suicide missions.

And be used for more absurd propaganda about how Ukraine is winning or they just need to fight awhile longer to win..................as they get decimated worse and worse every month of the 31 months that have featured Zelensky making really bad decisions and 0 really smart ones.

Excellent objective source but I'm not suggesting paying for it.

Why the West Will Stop Sending Weapons to Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy6UutG_61U

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An even a better source for free. The first half of the video is about Ukraine. He has tremendous insight and comprehension that our government and media cover up. As a result, he is extremely controversial.  His current assessment about Ukraine and Zelensky is exactly right.

The 2nd half of the video is about Israel.                                   

Douglas Macgregor: Israel Takes A Step Into The Hell Of Destruction! Iran Will End The IDF 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW52fUpaafQ 

Additional video:                

      Douglas Macgregor Warns: Nato Vs Russia, US Vs Iran! BIG WARS Are About To Break Out In NEAR Future    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hva9ijfPVyw

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We almost died this weekend!

Scott Ritter: Russia Launched DEVASTATING Attack As Ukrainian Army DESPAIRED! Zelensky's SCARED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxxrVIpuW8

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      John Mearsheimer: Zelensky's Strategic MISTAKE Costs Ukraine HUGE Losses! Hezbollah' REVENGE Coming    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPlvqoTaVVk

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My analysis and interpretations are based almost entirely on authentic facts and critical thinking and are totally independent of these sources which come to similar interpretations for similar reasons.

They contradict the complete nonsense we have been fed, using propaganda. The biggest reason for this is that they are not bought and paid for by the military-industrial complex, like our politicians are and don't profit from wars like the media does. 

The videos are all long and take up too much time for most people to watch. 

Comer Probes Biden-Harris Administration’s Use Of Taxpayer Funded Resources to Fly Zelensky to Pennsylvania to Campaign for Harris

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-probes-biden-harris-administrations-use-of-taxpayer-funded-resources-to-fly-zelensky-to-pennsylvania-to-campaign-for-harris/

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That's exactly what "Saint" Zelensky has been doing!!!!!

House Republicans demand investigation on whether Zelensky visit was ‘politically motivated’ to boost Harris

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/3164910/house-republicans-demand-investigation-zelensky-visit-politically-motivated-harris/

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In history, what other leader of another country would come here to demand even more money to go towards their kill-fest black hole, while telling the citizens of the United States who they should vote for???

OK, Netanyahu pulled off a similar stunt,  just 2 months ago to get more funding for his genocide in Gaza and got 58 standing ovations from Congress!

https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/a-standing-ovation-to-genocide

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Like minded, morally bankrupt politicians, devaluing the lives of human beings for their self serving interests!

The Outer Limits (1995) Intro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo

Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s (Last?) American Campaign

The Ukrainian president is pitching his plan for victory against Russia ahead of a U.S. presidential election that could shape his country's fate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/u-s-news-decision-points/articles/2024-09-25/volodymyr-zelenskyys-last-american-campaign

It’ll be Harris’ seventh meeting with Zelenskyy. This year, they have met in June and February. In 2023, they met in December and September. In 2022, they met in December and February, five days before Russian President Vladimir Putin dramatically expanded Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which began in 2014

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How many times has Harris been to the our own southern border???

0 times..........but now she's hiding a 3.5 year southern border crisis causing record and her playing a key role to manage it because she wants votes by pretending that she's strong on the border!

Trump says Ukraine is 'demolished' and dismisses its defense against Russia's invasion

Former President Donald Trump says Ukraine should have made concessions to Russian President Vladimir Putin instead of going to war with its invading neighbor

https://gazette.com/ap/national/trump-says-ukraine-is-dead-and-dismisses-its-defense-against-russias-invasion/article_ea8ffb5c-9f31-5199-ac11-65bf3d0a9c77.html

Trump argued Ukraine should have made concessions to Russian President Vladimir Putin in the months before Russia's February 2022 attack, declaring that even “the worst deal would’ve been better than what we have now."

Trump, who has long been critical of U.S. aid to Ukraine, frequently claims that Russia never would have invaded if he was president and that he would put an end to the war if he returned to the White House. But rarely has he discussed the conflict in such detail

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This is 100% true. If Ukraine had agreed to not let NATO expand into its country THERE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AN INVASION OR WAR.

1. Why did Trump take so long to tell us this? I've been posting it relentlessly here for over 2 years with numerous sources of evidence of indisputable truth!

2. Trump says so many crazy things that people can't tell the difference between the truth and a crazy thing and the dishonest  MSN is insisting this is a crazy thing.......so the sheeple are believing the MSM instead of the truth.

  Zelensky to make urgent in-person plea to Biden and Harris as Ukraine braces for possibility of a Trump presidency

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/zelensky-biden-harris-washington-visit/index.html

     In her remarks at the Democratic National Convention last month, Harris was deliberate in taking credit for the US’s response.                    “Five days before Russia attacked Ukraine, I met with President Zelensky to warn him about Russia’s plan to invade. I helped mobilize a global response – over 50 countries – to defend against Putin’s aggression,” she said. “And as president, I will stand strong with Ukraine and our NATO allies.”    

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WOW! 

Almost 1 million casualties from both sides. Americans out 200 billion. Costs to rebuild Ukraine 1 trillion. Global inflation and elevated risk of nuclear war and to our security as our adversaries unite. Crushing losses to Ukraine the entire 2.5 years which will result in them surrendering and giving up significant land. When all they had to do was agree to not join NATO. That was it! NO NATO IN UKRAINE........NO INVASION IN FEB 2022. 

AND HARRIS IS BOASTING ABOUT THE KEY ROLE THAT SHE PLAYED IN THIS BECAUSE SHE THINKS THAT WILL MAKE HER APPEAR TO BE PRESIDENTIAL AND GET MORE VOTES!

Zelensky’s VICTORY PLAN, that the MSN has been trying to generate blind support for this month with story after story advertising it as if SUDDENLY after 31 straight months of nothing but catastrophically bad decisions, one after the other, getting Ukraine decimated in a long ago lost war…..Zelensky, the worst military leader in history, has a secret plan that FINALLY will bring victory to Ukraine.

The propaganda and lies to this point must be some sort of world record already but this staged nonsense trying to build enthusiasm for what will be more of the same in order to generate additional support TO PILFER MORE MONEY FROM THE UNITED STATES TO SUSTAIN THE KILL-FEST AND IN FACT ESCALATE IT TO START A NUCLEAR WAR TAKES THE IDIOCY TO A NEW LEVEL!

Zelensky had the chance to agree to not letting NATO expand into Ukraine for months and months before the invasion. AND LOSE NOTHING. LOSE 0 land. NO WAR. His fatal decision to fight Russia for NATO began his consecutive streak of non stop really bad decisions that has lasted for over 2.5 years.

For sure a gifted actor with enormous charisma getting support from the governments/politiians and MSM using propaganda, WITH THEM PRESENTING HIM AS A GREAT MILITARY LEADER AND HIM  PRETENDING TO BE A GREAT MILITARY LEADER.

100% of the authentic facts/evidence show this is to be just an extension of his ACTING CAREER!

In what world would people actually expect a person with this proven incompetence, from one of the most corrupt countries in the world  to suddenly come up with a viable victory plan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo

The poor Ukrainian people want peace.  They deserve peace NOT THIS!

Stop dehumanizing the value of human beings, especially the brave soldiers being sent on suicide missions for Zelensky and NATO in order to use them for the self enriching agenda's of morally bankrupt people in the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex and other powerful coalitions and interest groups that serve as gatekeepers of messages to us(including the US justice department/intel). 

Continuing the fraud perpetrated on the American people

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/107607/#107636

The same guy that got his country and people decimated.

The same guy that already took 200 billion from the United States for his losing kill-fest.

The same guy that made himself dictator  by cancelling elections and that made one of the most corrupt countries in the world…..even more corrupt.

Is back here….again!

Asking for more money and weapons and telling us the same lies.

This time he  wants long range ballistic missiles  that will start a nuclear war. Then, he thinks that NATO  can beat Russia in a nuclear war.

Thats already galactically outrageous From this arrogant, demanding NATO puppet.

what takes the cake is that he’s in our country, by invitation of the Ds and is  also telling us who to vote for in our presidential election.

Clearly this is election interference with Ukraine and the Ds colluding  to get Harris elected.

And his touring of the ammunition plant earlier this week As a celebrity signing bombs.

What is wrong with us?

His killfest, using US tax payer money and  weapons is making the defense contractors and military industrial complex rich. The ones bribing politicians to subsidize his war. All using the war  for self enrichmemt. Pretending to be supporting Ukrainians by making them mass casualties of their war. Getting their country decimated to make the elites wealthier. Dehumanizing these human beings for their agenda.

So he goes there, like a serial killer would go to a gun  or knife factory to celebrate the tools he used to kill people  or a drug dealer going to his drug pusher to pay homage to the source that allows him to peddle his drugs killing people.

So the Zelensky plan would be like treating a person in the Olympics that couldn't even finish their event.......like they won the Gold Metal.

What is Zelenskyy’s ‘Victory Plan’ against Russia?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/27/what-is-zelenskyys-victory-plan-against-russia

Ukraine is decimated for 2.5 years and lost a long time ago but Zelensky claims that Ukraine gets all their land back, gets to join NATO (which Russia invaded to prevent) and Russia must pay to rebuild the country. 

Now, they'll claim that he and the West are presenting a reasonable plan and that Russia is refusing to agree.........so it's Russia that won't negotiate.

Well, now we're going into month 32 with Zelensky making nothing but really bad decisions that make no sense at all most of the time..........as Russia continues to punish Ukraine for his completely inept leadership(working for NATO not Ukraine).

The longer Zelensky acts like this, the greater the consequence TO EVERYBODY..............except the military-industrial-political-media complex that love him to pieces because he's their pay day.

Incredibly, thru all this suffering, THEY are being massively enriched. They control the messages, they are reaping massive benefits. 

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They manufacture reasons to ignore the truth about this, when Trump or Vance or somebody else speaks it:

The real reason Trump hates Zelensky

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4901765-the-real-reason-trump-hates-zelensky/

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This is like, an insane twisting of the truth........and look who this guy is:

supposedly an expert that people look to for answers and he uses(abuses) that expertise  and the  trust that people should have in him to sell political hogwash….propaganda….disinformation  whatever term is your favorite one.

Insisting that Trump hates Zelensky as he actually demonstrates a person with classic Trump DerangementSyndrome.w

Alexander J. Motyl is a professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark. A specialist on Ukraine, Russia and the USSR, and on nationalism, revolutions, empires and theory, he is the author of 10 books of nonfiction, as well as “Imperial Ends: The Decay, Collapse, and Revival of Empires” and “Why Empires Reemerge: Imperial Collapse and Imperial Revival in Comparative Perspective.”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo

    Russia proposes record defense spending as it pursues victory in the Ukraine war

    https://www.newspressnow.com/news/world_news/russia-proposes-record-defense-spending-as-it-pursues-victory-in-the-ukraine-war/article_e3283d09-5a9f-5c18-b238-cee2455e95be.html

            The Russian government wants to earmark 32.5% of its spending next year for defense, a record amount and up from a reported 28.3% this year, as Moscow seeks to prevail in the war in Ukraine        

The Ukraine war is Europe’s biggest conflict since World War II and has drained the resources of both sides, with Ukraine getting billions of dollars in help from its Western allies.

Russia’s forces are bigger and better-equipped than Ukraine’s, and in recent months the Russian army has gradually been pushing Ukrainian troops backward in eastern areas.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visited the United States last week in pursuit of continuing financial and military support as the war approaches its three-year milestone next February.

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The propaganda continues to convince us that Ukraine is a bastion of democracy that we must save or Putin will continue on to invade Europe and that Ukraine WILL WIN, if we just keep fighting long enough.

Reality:

1. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world

2. Ukraine is NOT  practicing democracy, since Zelensky made himself a dictator by cancelling elections to stay in office AFTER his term expired.

3. We've already spent 200,000,000,000 of US tax dollars to fund the arse kicking of Ukraine We call it "supporting Ukraine" but the truth is if we had not done this and instead, agreed to not have NATO expand into Ukraine. .......NONE OF IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. 

4. Even Ukraine would not have agreed to this and we let Putin invade with no resistance, the war would have ended quickly with minimal casualties on both sides and the results MUCH BETTER THAN SUSTAINING THE BRUTAL FIGHTING WITH MAXIMUM DAMAGE TO BOTH SIDES FOR MORE THAN 2.5 YEARS.

5. The Zelensky/Biden/NATO strategy has resulted in the most extreme damages possible for 31 straight months as a result of nothing but catastrophically bad decisions, 1 after another.  Zelensky's great Victory Plan, if you can believe this, will actually ramp that up to a new level of catastrophically bad that greatly increases the chance of a nuclear war which destroys all of us.

6. Now, instead of the original terms offered by Putin......just agreeing to not Join NATO and losing nothing..........then, having the option to negotiate peace for many months, Zelensky has shot his country in the foot so many times for so many months, losing more and more and more land the entire time.........Ukraines best option is to just surrender because they've obliterated all of their negotiating power with loss after loss after loss.

7. From the get go, I was NOT supportive of Putin's invasion but just want what's best for THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. I've adjusted what that means based on the real world in this war as Zelensky gets his country decimated. Sadly, the reality now is that surrender is their best option because Zelensky has completely squandered all of his power to negotiate  with his consecutive, horrific decisions that just increased Russia's control. Honestly, if I had been able to pick a path to absolutely maximize the incredible damage........it would exactly mimic the one that Zelensky has chosen for what's now 32 months. 

Who does this to their country and still get's invited to the United States as a hero with a great plan for victory???????

What team with an 0-31 record, would be expected to win..... facing a team that's 31-0 in the next game, with more than half their team being dead, permanently disabled or deserted(while their undefeated opponent ADDS TO THEIR TEAM/ADVANTAGES), using the same tactics that cost them the previous 31 games?

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Please stop using the greatly suffering Ukrainian people for this diabolical agenda. Please stop forcing the American people to be a key part of this diabolical agenda.

Who is doing it?

The Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex that is greatly benefiting and serving as the gatekeepers for all the messages/propaganda we get!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo

The MSM and politicians are incredibly silent, just days after Zelensky unveiled his victory plan.

Even they are running out of ways to spin a devastating decimation by Russia, into Ukraine defeating Russia because the defeat is becoming impossible to cover up any more.

Maybe, this means we can finally end the war and stop the horrendous bleeding by so many innocent human beings that didn’t deserve this.

Ukraine-Russia war live: Frontline ‘very, very difficult’, says Zelensky as Putin issues new conscription order

Russia is ramping up its military recruitment before ground conditions deteriorate

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-putin-zelensky-weapons-map-latest-news-b2621707.html

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Biden may advance Ukraine's NATO membership bid status, FT reports

https://kyivindependent.com/biden-may-advance-ukraines-nato-membership-bid-status-ft-reports/

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This is so retarded. It's like they can't comprehend what's really happening and why and just keep doing things TO MAKE IT WORSE AND WORSE.

Refusing to give up on NATO expanding into Ukraine, even after losing the war being fought ENTIRELY OVER NATO EXPANDING INTO UKRAINE is so delusional and EXTRAORDINARILY DANGEROUS BEYOND ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY HAS EVER DONE BECAUSE IT LIKELY MEANS NUCLEAR WAR WITH RUSSIA.

It actually proves Putins case. NATO only cares about expanding into Ukraine and destroying Russia!!!

Thats the only thing they gain. Ukraine is one of the worlds most corrupt country’s AND ITS GOTTEN EVEN WORSE. Zelensky has made himself a dictator to stay in office.

The hogwash propaganda we get FROM NATO aligning sources is just a big lie to get More money and support from us for the diabolical objectives of NATO.

Biden is willing to cause WW3 and nuclear weapons over this agenda, instead of giving up on NATOs continued expansion to surround and destroy Russia.

Why would he do this to Americans???

Because his NATO agenda is MORE IMPORTANT THAN US.

Just like VP Harris met with Zelensky 7 times before she paid her 1st visit to our own southern border to address a huge crisis in our country.

Harris FINALLY WENT TO THE SOUTHERN BORDER FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST WEEK WHILE SERVING AS BIDENS KEY SOUTHERN BORDER PERSON.

SHE ONLY WENT TO PRETEND TO BE STRONG ON THE BORDER AHEAD OF THE ELECTION TO GET VOTES!!

This administration continues to put NATOs plan FAR  ahead of the interests of the United States.

That is crystal clear based on the AUTHENTIC FACTS and proof of it above.

There is just no excuse for them to concentrate numerous times more resources to sustain a kill fest in 1 of the worlds most corrupt countries than to use it to address a MAJOR illegal immigration crisis in their own country.

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what’s even more insane is that Biden/harris refusing to try to manage the border crisis is costing the US at least 150 billion of extra spending on the illegal immigration problem after they’ve arrived.

Not to fix it  but additional costs because of it…….and they know this but INTENTIONALLY ALLOWED/CAUSED IT.

Again, I am very pro immigration and  for giving them a path to citizenship.

BUT THIS IS NUTS!!  We need control over the process that only lets in a number of people that doesn’t massively over burden our country.  …..like is happening right now. And  know who they are.

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MORE IMPORTANTLY …..GIVE THE POOR PEOPLE OF UKRAINE THE PEACE THEY MOST WANT INSTEAD OF USING THEM FOR THE NATO OBJECTIVE. STOP KILLING THEM AND GETTING THEIR COUNTRY DECIMATED AND CALLING IT……..SUPPORTING UKRAINE.

My position supports Ukraine amd Ukrainians. The HUMAN BEINGS, INCLUDING BRAVE SOLDIERS BEING SENT ON SUICIDE MISSIONS FOR NATO.

STOP THIS CHARADE BEFORE WE ALL DIE IN A NUCLEAR WAR. 

We should note last night at the VP debate, the moderators chose NOT to ask a question about the war in Ukraine. 

200 billion from US taxpayers .  Zelensky in our country all last week drumming up support for more. 1 million in casualties. Potential nuclear war AND NOT 1 QUESTION????

The reason is that they didn't want JD Vance to tell America THE TRUTH. THEY WERE CENSORING JD VANCE'S INFORMED OPINION ABOUT UKRAINE. 100% that was it because the moderators and their advisors at CBS spent weeks deciding what questions to ask. This was 100% intentional.

   Ukraine Is Still Too Corrupt to Join the West

The strategy of winning the war by joining Western institutions has one big, homegrown hurdle.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/07/29/ukraine-is-still-too-corrupt-to-join-the-west/#cookie_message_anchor

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The massive money/weapons gushing into Ukraine has greatly INCREASED CORRUPTION. Graft, bribes and fraud of all types. If you already have one of the worlds most corrupt governments as they did and you suddenly shower them with tens of billions in unaccounted for stuff.............. guess what happens???

In addition, Zelensky has used the war to turn their democracy into his dictatorship in order to stay in power. He cancelled elections earlier this year when his term ran out.

In 2019, Zelensky's platform to be elected was based on:

1. Negotiating peace with Russia

2. Stamping out widespread corruption

3. Only remaining in office thru his 1st term

He didn't just break those promises, he violated everything a president should be for their  people. He decided to put NATO's interest first because they offered to make him a global hero................all he needed to do was sacrifice his people and country by hosting a war and sending his brave soldiers on suicide missions(instead of agreeing to NOT JOIN NATO for peace as HE PROMISED HIS PEOPLE).

The worst military leader in the history of the world, making nothing but bad decisions for 31 straight months(losing over half of his army to death, permanent disabilities and desertions) and having the worst "Victory Plan" yet last week to provoke nuclear war instead of acknowledging the reality of being completely decimated in their loss to Russia.

Don't believe any of the nonsense about Zelensky still being popular and trusted with fake polls and fake news.

What if we had a president that got over half of our military wiped out and country decimated, our lives much worse(except for the government enriching itself ). Caused bad corruption TO GET EVEN WORSE, then cancelled elections?

Does it make sense that the majority of Americans would strongly support that person?

We have a democracy and they would be gone when their term expired. No chance they would even run for a 2nd term, facing a landslide loss by the outraged people.

In fact, that person would likely be IMPEACHED BY BOTH HOUSES well before the next election because we have a balance of power and a democracy!

Ukraine DOES NOT!

NATO is controlling Zelensky right now because they want to expand into Ukraine in order to surround and destroy Russia.

Zelensky didn't just show up in our country last week.

His visit was planned for weeks and served as an attention seeking,  staged marketing scheme/theater  by this administration and NATO to drum up even more support for the kill-fest that was lost a very long time ago.

"Fight until we defeat Russia" is the forever battle cry!

Look at the latest battlefield below, man.

The battle cry should be "fight until the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldiers blood has been wasted on suicide missions............but at least they killed lots of Russians before dying!!! (and enriched the military-industrial-political-media complex in the United States which serves as our message gatekeepers with propaganda)

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-24-2024

CBS is one of those message gatekeepers that censor the truth and use propaganda. That's why they couldn't allow JD Vance, a person with gifted communication skills  to answer a question on Ukraine

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Defense Contractors Are Bilking the American People

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/op-eds/defense-contractors-are-bilking-the-american-people/

We apparently have unlimited amounts of money for nuclear weapons, fighter planes, bombs, and tanks. But somehow we can’t summon the resources to provide health care for all, child care, affordable housing, and other basic needs.

The United States remains the world’s dominant military power. Alone, we account for roughly 40 percent of global military spending; the U.S. spends more on its military than the next 10 countries combined, most of whom are allies.

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Military–industrial complex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex

            Bribed/enriched politicians are the ones that authorize this from our tax payer funds.

I totally get spending money to strengthen our own defense. But we DRAINING out stockpile of weapons to WEAKEN our security by provoking Russia.

This is exactly why CBS would not bring up Ukraine last night:

Trump's VP pick Vance opposes US aid for Ukraine, intensifying fear for Kyiv's future

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-vp-pick-vance-opposes-us-aid-ukraine/story?id=112036938

In April, Vance broke with Senate Republican leaders to vote against a foreign aid package that included nearly $61 billion for Ukraine, asserting Moscow's threat to global stability had been overstated.

"Vladimir Putin is not Adolf Hitler. It doesn't mean he's a good guy, but he has significantly less capability than the German leader did," Vance said in a speech on the Senate floor.

"If Ukraine thinks that it's getting another $60 billion supplemental out of the United States Congress, there's no way," he later told reporters.

Vance has also defended his pessimistic outlook on Ukraine's ability to triumph over Russia, calling himself a "realist."

In an April op-ed in the New York Times titled "The Math on Ukraine Doesn't Add Up," Vance argued that the U.S. could not possibly provide enough munitions to Ukraine to turn the tides of the war and called Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's goal of restoring the country to its 1991 boundaries "fantastical."

At the Munich Security Conference in February, Vance also said that focusing on Ukraine was distracting Washington from confronting other challenges such as China.

"There are a lot of bad guys all over the world. And I'm much more interested in some of the problems in East Asia right now than I am in Europe," Vance said.