Life lesson.... by Ocasio-Cortez
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Started by GunterK - Jan. 28, 2019, 9:22 p.m.

If you are not doing well, you better listen to our new Congress Person. The key to success  and productivity is matching pajama sets

We finally have a new Congress, a Congress that goes beyond political bickering... a Congress that can help the People better themselves.

By TimNew - Jan. 29, 2019, 4:06 a.m.
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Well, she is barely out of her teenage years and these are the sorts of things that are important to teenagers.

By lar - Feb. 3, 2019, 2:19 p.m.
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This woman probably accomplished more by 30... and through more obstacles...  than many have in their lifetime. 

The concept of work and life balance is an important one. Matching jammies is not the lesson - if that is someone’s only takeaway from this article then their reading comprehension must be somehow pretty impaired. 

It is (metaphorically) a lesson I’m just now in my 60 beginning to value. I recently  began a similar signal - anchor set with gloves. Household chore time with the kitchen gloves, workout time with my compression gloves, yard work/man work with my regular shop gloves. 

It’s cute to paint her as childlike and impotent though. Barely one month a freshman congresswoman and she is all over right leaning and left leaning media. Everybody has something to say about her nowadays. She would be ignored if she truly was impotent. I know some on the right tried to make an issue of her dancing in a college video and of the way she was hunting down Mitch when he was awol. Has the potus tweeted about her yet?

This young Latino American woman is mas intelligenti. She is also part of America’s changing face. Sure she will have a learning curve but she has been a leader driven by the values of her generation. The idea of a “Real American” has been evolving. The old guard is on its way out. There are more like her on the way.

Now that the swamp is swampier than ever I find her to be a breath of fresh air. 

By GunterK - Feb. 3, 2019, 3:12 p.m.
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Hi Lar,

I agree with you.... her recommendation to separate the stress of work from your private life is a valuable one. (It was not lost on me). Most successful people are following this advise. However, using the metaphor of matching pajama sets was "childlike", if I may use your terminology. Well, as you said, the young generation uses different wordings and leads a different life style than the older generation. Maybe, she is a breath of fresh air, as you called it.

I also admire her care for the environment. I myself am an environmentalist, if I may so so. However, proposing to spend $41 trillion dollars on her "green program" is "childlike", IMHO.

Nevertheless, while so many people make fun of her, we must realize that she already is a very successful woman. Landing a $170k job... a job of such importance... at her age is remarkable. She has already appeared on countless television interviews. She also was already the subject and the star of a documentary movie, which premiered at the recent Sundance Film Festival. I would not be surprised to hear about a mega-million book deal in the near future.... which would quickly put her into the group of rich people her kind despises so much.

No doubt. she will soon be the idol of our young girls.... and, in a way, this would be better for them than idolizing a rock-star.

Well, we have 12 years, before the world ends, according to her... let's hope for the best

By mcfarm - Feb. 3, 2019, 3:13 p.m.
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right Lar "real America"...what the hell s wrong with us...we all should be clapping and screaming with agreement on the end of internal combustion engines, the end of our economy with that, and the murder of full term babies, the end of our morality with that.....better question is what the hell ever happened to "logical, sensible, easy to debate with" Lar

I will not take the time to list the number of times cortez advocates for "free", socialists, anti growth, anti independent, pro government organizing, silly nonsensical economic theories, pro palestinan aggression toward Israel etc etc ..its all listed in places like Wikipedia, but boy what a delightful young women

By TimNew - Feb. 3, 2019, 7:08 p.m.
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I think you're being a bit harsh McFarm. Apparently,  Lar has chosen to ignore the unbelievable inanities that continually emanate from the freshman.   And he prefers to view her election victory as a great accomplishment.   I think it shows an unbelievable level of incompetence for the district that elected her.

But,  we all have our own way of looking at things.

By joj - Feb. 3, 2019, 8:15 p.m.
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I find the conservative obsession with Ocasio-Cortez to be a curious thing.

It's as if she's the most important Democrat.  Or, "This is what a Democrat looks like."

I guess that's part of the propaganda playbook.

By GunterK - Feb. 3, 2019, 8:35 p.m.
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you wrote:"...It's as if she's the most important Democrat...."

apparently she is....


By lar - Feb. 3, 2019, 9:17 p.m.
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Hi Gunter,

This is my third try responding to you but somehow my browser keeps kicking me out. 

Young america lives in an whole new world. I like they have representation through her and others like her. The swamp has never been swampier. Maybe a young adult can be a better swamper cleanser than a real estate mogul. 



By GunterK - Feb. 3, 2019, 9:33 p.m.
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Hi Lar,

our brief communication here is happening while I am watching the Super Bowl. Your words made me think.....

This Super Bowl also addresses the issue of old generation vs young generation, considering the age of the quarter backs and the coaches on the 2 teams.

This made me realize that you may have a good point. In the case of AOC, I am sure the young generation in the US adores her... and as a member of the younger generation and her possibly large following, she has to be reckoned with. 

We just have to hope that she matures a bit, while on the job.... i mean.... some of her ideas would destroy the US as we know it.

best regards


By TimNew - Feb. 3, 2019, 10 p.m.
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If this is the representation the younger voters want,  I'd strongly suggest that for the good of the country, we raise the voting age.  Perhaps 40?

By wglassfo - Feb. 4, 2019, 2:08 p.m.
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Hi Lar You think this lady accomplished more by age 30 than most??

You must have set the bar rather low. Does running a private business equal her election to congress. I know millionaires in their early 30's, and nothing came from the tax payer. I was one of those people that almost made the grade. Certainly more than 170k And yes I was elected to public office, although the pay grade was not that high.

 Tell me one thing, this young lady supports, in her various ramblings,  that will make this a better country, other than choosing her jammie clothes

Do jammie clothes make you qualified to have any influence on the country. Heck we all choose our clothes with some care. Why is this so special. I shave once a day. Does that count for anything?? Is that anything special. I have hobbies other than work. Is that anything special??

I would rather people debate her rambling view points and take that seriously.

I am thinking of a new business that will provide a lot of jobs if successful. Why would I even think about it, if this lady wants the profit?? I don't have to do it. She can pay me part of her million dollar book deal and also part of her 170 k. That would be much easier and no risk. Why am I even posting about this lady and her rambling ideas.???

Because somebody has to draw attention to her and people like her,  and put them directly under the spot light, for what those idea will do to the country and people like me..

I can just stop working and live of other people. Hopefully she will let me keep what I already have accumulated, at least so long as I am on the right side of the grass.

Is this what we want for a country??

Somebody has to take a serious look at this lady and her rambling ideas. I welcome debate, but not on jammie clothes. Seriously?? You got to be kidding???

By lar - Feb. 4, 2019, 11:07 p.m.
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Hi Wayne,

At age 29, she became the youngest woman ever to serve in the United States Congress. She is a young Latino woman at a time many Americans have been depicting Latinos as criminals. A whole slew of pussyhat wearing Americans value her opinion though... and have fully vetted her ideas. Younger Americans are real Americans too. This is how she overcame her underdog status - by putting in the work with a clear message and focus. There was no Russian propaganda machine working on her behalf tipping the scales.

Take the lessons from our recent US government partial shutdown. The parts of shuttered government we (Americans - we) missed the most are all supports and services which could all be defined as “socialist”. Our whole society thinks the Coast Guard is important, for example. We all enjoy the benefit of their services. Our whole society benefits. I believe our whole society would be better off with a health care system focused on keeping people healthier rather than treating illnesses. It also happens to be much cheaper when all costs are considered. A healthier nation. I believe our whole society would be better off if all had the opportunity to acquire the highest level of education. A net increase in our country’s cognitive functionality results. A smarter nation. These are not novel concepts. Just ask our northern neighbors. 

I don’t expect you to value her but this is why I do.

Ocasio-Cortez majored in international relations and economics at Boston University, graduating cum laude in 2011. Although economics and international relations is her area of expertise her ideas are quickly dismissed by folks on the right. It is much easier to simply label her a socialist. Then it doesn’t matter what her opinion or her research is. Whatever comes out of her mouth gets marginalized if you can inject the word “free” anywhere into her sentences.

She has the numbers mostly worked out on every thing she proposes. She is far better prepared to define where the money will come from than our current POTUS has been for a physical barrier. But that’s whole another topic.

Before running for Congress, she served as an educational director for the 2017 Northeast Collegiate World Series for the National Hispanic Institute.

As a high schooler she won second prize in the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair with a microbiology research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode C. elegans.[20]

Young and smart.

(In a show of appreciation for her efforts, the International Astronomical Union named a small asteroid after her: 23238 Ocasio-Cortez.[21][22] )

This and more is available even if you only go to Wikipedia

Accepting an impasse between Pelosi and Trump she stepped up and moved to make congress perform its function in such an impasse. I very much admired her balls searching for McConnell when he was MIA and should have let the House and Senate vote on legislation to reopen the government. This was not childlike. This was smart focused and strategic. This is wearing big boy pants in a tough political environment with less than a month on the job.

Time will tell if her youth is more of a liability. She seems a quick study to me and is willing to put in the work. I think she will do fine in spite of all the heat. Politics can beat down anyone so you never know for sure but she seems to be handling the stress well.

All before the age of 30. 

By TimNew - Feb. 5, 2019, 5:10 a.m.
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"She is far better prepared to define where the money will come from".

And yet, every time you look at the actual numbers,  her arguments fall apart.

Even the NYT tore her apart on her total misunderstanding of the Pentagon audit. They politely labeled it "misleading",  but it is unmitigated BS.

"Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the rising liberal star, cited a figure that refers to nearly two decades of internal financial adjustments, not actual spending."

And I think your statement in conjunction with her acknowledgment that she is not an expert on foreign relations while stumbling over what should have been a simple question says far more about our educational system than her expertise, or lack thereof.

"Ocasio-Cortez majored in international relations and economics at Boston University, graduating cum laude in 2011."

I could go on and on, but She is the poster girl for ignorance and incompetence, or as the story goes, a "Post Turtle". I don't oppose her because she is socialist.  I oppose her because she is incompetent and economically ignorant, tho it appears there is a very strong correlation between the two (Socialist leanings and incompetence/ignorance). 

 "While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama being elected by a mass of media led, brainless liberals to be our president.

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'Post Turtle'".

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road on you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle".

The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, and he doesn't know what to do while he's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with".

By kermit - Feb. 5, 2019, 7:28 a.m.
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Thiis is progress? Looks kike leadership material of the kindergarten sand box

By lar - Feb. 5, 2019, 8:54 a.m.
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Hi Kermit,

The #MeToo movement is no flash in the pan. American women are demanding equal footing. The Kavanaugh Supreme Court confirmation process was a defining moment for many American women. Kavanaugh being confirmed was not the end of the story... for many of my female friends it marks the beginning of a new or renewed story. Some of the smartest women I know are pissed off about it enough to invest significant time, money and expertise into organizing a change to the power structure. The level of organization they are bringing to this confrontation is getting pretty sophisticated.

Look at how many women ran for office and were elected in 2018. Ocasio-Cortez is speaking their language. I personally think this reshuffle has been long overdue. 

Her guest selection seems very strategic to me.

Thanks for pointing this out. It was news to me.

By kermit - Feb. 5, 2019, 1:27 p.m.
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I used to help a woman stuck in ditch in the winter time. Now I treat them the same as a man and wave. I do not think this is were we want to be. It is too dangerous to be around a woman without a witness, if she is hard core feminist.  

By lar - Feb. 5, 2019, 1:43 p.m.
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I hear you.

Im more hesitant about meeting a woman socially and seeking “alone time”. I don’t trust being that vulnerable to a stranger no matter how attracted I am. These sure are different times. 

I am sympathetic to imbalanced and unfair treatment of women in America but there is a loss of control that comes with changing it. 

By metmike - Feb. 6, 2019, 6:48 p.m.
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There were 3 posts removed from this thread as a result of  them being inflammatory and  2 posters directing attacks towards each other. 

By lar - Feb. 6, 2019, 7:44 p.m.
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Thank you MetMike,

Please keep going.

Would you be so kind as to remove all the other inflammatory posts from the other poster towards me?

This was my first response (back to) to him. I shouldn’t have to keep taking character pot shots from him like I have been. Please moderate... moderately.

By metmike - Feb. 6, 2019, 8:45 p.m.
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YW lar,

Only 1 of your posts had to be deleted in the exchange fortunately and I will continue to impose standards based on nuetrality and regardless of any personal positions that I might have on any topics.

Based on the comments that I get,   many on both sides are convinced that the other side is getting away with murder. 

Here is how to tell that it's a bias. They never once complain when somebody on their side is committing an infraction. They only notice when its their opposition. I am referring to everybody in general here, not you. 

Carl, however has been able to step outside this political bias trap. One time he called frey out for calling me a liar twice, warning him that things would not go well for him if he continued, even though frey was taking a position in sync with Carl's at the time.  

I  miss Carl!

I have actually allowed much greater infractions than those just committed to slide as my policy is to manage issues with interventions and communication.

We have 2 posters hanging by a thread, one that has like 9 lives that are still here but I will do my best to cut some slack for others that might step out of line every once in awhile but contribute quite a bit for much of the time.

Just to make it clear with you lar. I consider you are huge positive contributor here. We want to make MarketForum a place where everybody can express any view without feeling attacked personally.

I will continue to be vigilant for what appears to be personal attacks on fellow posters or excessively inflammatory, vulgar or offensive (to some) posts......based  on objective standards. 

By silverspiker - Feb. 6, 2019, 9:58 p.m.
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By lar - Feb. 6, 2019, 10:16 p.m.
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Going forward:

Your neutral vigilance against posters personal attacks on other posters will work for me.


By metmike - Feb. 6, 2019, 11:55 p.m.
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