Climate Reality discussions-new article 2-24
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Started by metmike - April 15, 2019, 4:10 p.m.

As those who have been with us  for a few years, remember, the previous moderator, Alex McCallum had created a place in the MarketForum Library called "Climate Talk" for the posts/threads from the MarketForum's atmospheric scientist.


Alex had been converted from a believer in the fake climate crisis to a skeptic...........a believer, instead in reality.

Rather than using the library, I'm just using this thread.  I very much appreciate our posters for constantly questioning me, many because they are convinced of the crisis. This not only is always very good for authentic science but it has resulted in me addressing/discussing the specific issues/topics which need addressing/discussing the most...........those that you have been most puzzled about. 


You might find authentic, objective views on climate change from our atmospheric scientist(37 years professionally) and practicing environmentalist to be of interest as they shine the light of truth on the fake climate crisis:


It feels great to know the truth.............even better to share it with others!


NEW: Is climate (change) science settled?  Real settled science vs climate change science. Climate change predictions have been wrong. Greening planet. 7 reasons for the fake climate scare/crisis. CO2 is still low. Outgassing from oceans. Ocean acidification NOT harming fish. Lying about climate to save the planet from a fake climate crisis/promote global socialism. IPCC-entirely political. Arctic ice not melting.  February 2020.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/47847/


Hijacking Australian 2019 Bushfire Tragedies:   Global wildfire activity has decreased.  Arsonists and human mistakes cause most wildfires. Adaptation/preparation can help the most.  January 2020.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/45328/

               

Bernie Sanders fake climate scare: Major cities NOT going under water in 8 to 9 years. We do not have XX years to save the (greening up) planet from the climate optimum(fake climate crisis). January 2020.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/46122/


What the "Climate Crisis" is really all about:    Greta Thunberg is a Marxist. Climate religion(fake climate emergency) and the propaganda is all about converting us to global socialism.  December 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/43757/           


Want to hear a rich genius talk blatant, anti science ignorance?  Bill Gates gets an F in science. Radical left has taken over teaching at almost every college. More on brainwashing. AOC and her climate religion cult. They use scary words but no data because the data shows them wrong. I show the data. November 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/42610/


Scientists coming out of the woodwork-no climate crisis! October 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/41293/


Climate change, pollution, and the great civilizations of the past: Exactly how climate science was hijacked for the political agenda.    September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39960/

                                   

Head of Key Meteorological Organization Slams Climate Extremists: Alarmism busted. Arctic life doing great. Climate modeler spills the beans.  September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39593/


Teen Climate Activist Speaks To Congress:   Blatant scientific fraudulence and child abuse used as the latest scheme to push the extreme propaganda. September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39525/           

                

Renewable vs fossil fuels: Diffuse solar vs dense fossil fuels. Benefits of CO2. September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39321/


Another secret about fossil fuels: Haber Bosch process-fertilizers feeding the planet using natural gas-doubling food production/crop yields. September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39215/


Green New Deal-corn ethanol: Good bye corn ethanol, Hello $2 corn prices again....$5 soybeans/supply gluts/ August 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38089/


Renewable energy:  When can it replace fossil fuels? August 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/35846/


Does the media have too much power?: Time Magazine goes off the anti science deep end/97% of scientists agree on a climate crisis bs/31,487 American scientists disagree that there is a crisis. Sept 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38797/


Hurricanes and climate change: Sept 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38540/


Ex-KGB on Ideological Subversion: How the UN/IPCC hijacked science/brainwashed the world. Previously warmer. Polar bear hoax. Sept. 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38156/


We are facing a global emergency in the Amazon:  Environmental vs climate crisis! Rain forests turned into soybean fields. Increasing CO2 would help.  August 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/37608/


Sanders Touts $16 Trillion Climate Plan: Anti Science Bernie = the complete opposite of the truth! August 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/37437/


China, CO2 and Climate Accord: August 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/36523/


A Swiss study: climate change from a global analysis-correcting the unjustified, greatly exaggerated numbers using facts/math/weather/observations-bogus 97% number-July 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/34308/


Out gassing of CO2 from the oceans-Food with less micro nutrients-July 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/33955/


Water Scarcity for 5 Cities?-global water crisis improving-droughts not getting worse-greening planet-June 2019            
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/31785/


Why so many tornadoes this year? What causes tornadoes-violent tornadoes peaked in the 1970's-storm chasing-May 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/31370/


Living in the world of escalating brainwash- alarmist language-polar bears-why most research is false-May 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/30462/


Bill Nye-the Green New Deal-Nye fumbles the science football- Nye and Gore fake a science experiment-May 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/30143/


What if this weather is the new normal?: Wet Springs/delayed planting-drought-Food production-River flooding-US rain records-April 2019  

  https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/28957/

       

Earth Day: Climate Change NOT accelerating-CO2 Residence time-Logarithmic affect-legit science-April 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/28402/


The real environmental crisis's/insects dying-dead zones-aquifers drying up-plastics in the ocean: April 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27498/


Antarctic ice and sea levels/previous warmings-climate scientist corruption-IPCC: April 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27525/


Global climate strike/brainwashing youth/catalytic convertors/deaths from climate catastrophes: March 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25996/


National Geographic is in on the hoax/Fraudulent Climate Accord/Follow the money/Global greening is bad???: March 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25892/


Drought/Climate Optimum/Ocean PH/models/CO2 enrichment: March 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25818/


Al Gores prediction in 2007/Down is Up and Up is Down: March 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25264/


Australia's hottest Summer/Heat waves/Drought/CO2=beneficial gas: March 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25016/


Gigantic hole in glacier discovered by NASA/record low tornadoes/planet won't die: January 2019      

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/22964/


Extreme(cold) weather/Sudden Stratospheric Warming: January 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/22904/


Government Climate Report-Obliterating it with empirical data-authentic science: November 2018

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/18326/


UN climate report-looking at their track record-obliterating it with authentic science: Oct 2018

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/14777/


Climate(crisis) Change is Hoax-world food production-greening planet-climate models-Sandy-hurricanes: Aug 2018

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/10741/


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By metmike - May 7, 2019, 7:39 p.m.
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By metmike - Jan. 9, 2020, 7:59 p.m.
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Happy New Year and New Decade!


Keep enjoying the current Climate Optimum for life on this greening planet and the massive benefits of CO2 and fossil fuels!


Don't be scared by those selling the fake climate emergency!

By metmike - Feb. 3, 2020, 2:13 p.m.
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@leaderpost

⁩  Of course I am not a “climate change denier”. I know climate is always changing. I know that humans have caused local climate changes such as the Urban Heat Island Effect. But I do not agree that CO2 is the main controller of climate.Climate change denier Patrick Moore to speak at Regina sustainability conferenceThe City of Regina is defending its decision to hire a well-known climate change denier to speak at its upcoming sustainability conference.leaderpost.com





Do you realize calling me, a PhD scientist, a “climate change denier” is equating me to a Holocaust Denier?

@leaderpost

 That is the only other common usage ot the term denier. I am not a mass murderer. I simply disagree that CO2 controls the climate. Clearly you hate free speech

By metmike - Feb. 3, 2020, 2:26 p.m.
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Climate change denier Patrick Moore to speak at Regina sustainability conference

The City of Regina is defending its decision to hire a well-known climate change denier to speak at its upcoming sustainability conference.


https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/climate-change-denier-patrick-moore-to-speak-at-regina-sustainability-conference


“The objective of this conference is to set the framework to make Regina 100 per cent renewable by 2050. It is not helpful to have someone who disputes the science behind climate change being one of the prominent speakers at that event,” said Zachidniak during a phone interview.


metmike: Shut down these horrible deniers!   Yeah, because they have the data and authentic science to expose the  fake climate crisis hoax.

Like thousands of PHD scientists that don't believe in the climate emergency don't count as much as a teenager acting as the high priestess in a climate religion cult. 

Bash and condemn and silence the PHD scientist(s), put the uneducated teenager spewing anti science and false propaganda on a pedestal and worship her. 

By metmike - Feb. 3, 2020, 7:31 p.m.
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By mcfarm - Feb. 4, 2020, 9:45 a.m.
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yes climate {weather} constantly changes. The "warmers" are going to be met someday soon the reality of cooling. Its been confirmed the sun spots are weaker and will continue weaker thru the summer. Some warmers will soon see the results of lower solar activity and they will have to make up new lies.

By wxgrant - Feb. 4, 2020, 10:50 p.m.
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This was from a story in our Newscast tonight:

U-S COASTLINES ARE SHRINKING...
AS THE SEA LEVEL CONTINUES TO RISE AT AN ACCELERATED RATE.
THE VIRGINIA INSTITUTE OF MARINE SCIENCE SAYS IT'S HAPPENING AT 25 OF THE COUNTRY'S TIDE-GAUGE STATIONS.
THE GULF COAST IS SEEING THE GREATEST IMPACT.
THE CURRENT ACCELERATION BEGAN IN 20-13 AND CONTINUES TO IMPACT COASTLINES SPANNING THE WHOLE U-S.

Face palm! According to the NOAA sea level site the majority of the gauges along the coast show a sea level rise of 3 to 4 MM per year or around 1 foot per century. This is not an extreme acceleration. If I'm not mistaken sea levels were rising close to this rate in the early 1900s. Our anchor ad libbed due to climate change after an accelerated rate. I can't understand why they trust me over the Government when it comes to forecasting and severe weather coverage but when it comes to Climate Change  I can't be right because of what "science" tells them. This whole climate thing really makes me want to retire sooner. 

By metmike - Feb. 6, 2020, 10:55 a.m.
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Thanks grant! More comments to come.

By metmike - Feb. 8, 2020, 12:09 p.m.
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I call for everyone to put aside their differences and agree with me that catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is the most massive scientific fraud in human history. re


 

Tom Nelson

@tan123

Climate change is the religion of people who think they're too smart for religion.


Trust them, they're scientists! Just seven years after "experts" blamed CO2 for record low Great Lakes water levels, they're blaming CO2 for record high Great Lakes water levels.

High water wreaks havoc on Great Lakes, swamping communitiesRita Alton has an unusual morning routine these days: Wake up. Get dressed. Go outside to see if her house is closer to tumbling down an 80-foot (24.4-meter) cliff into Lake Michigan.startribune.com


Roger A. Pielke Sr

@RogerAPielkeSr

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wrt AMS & AGU, not widely known but on their policy statements such as on climate are not debated in a level playing field such as a set of conference presentations, nor voted on by membership. They actually are views of a self selecting small group of advocates 

3 points: 1. British scientist: "Records get broken just because things fluctuate naturally." 2. The Thwaites glacier is atop volcanic activity. 3. The 'record'  was directly caused by a ‘foehn’ event -- rapid warming of air coming down a slope.

Antarctica hits record high temperature of 18.3CAntarctica has hit its highest temperature on record with a reading of 18.3C at a research station on its rocky peninsula.The temperature easily beat the previous record of 17.5C, reached in 2015 atthetimes.co.uk


Roger Pielke Jr.

@RogerPielkeJr

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Once again SkS announces the intent of its “climate misinformers” blacklist I am amazed that some blogger without a PhD & never having worked in a university believes that he can decide who should be hired by universities Obviously ignorant of the principle of academic freedom

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By metmike - Feb. 8, 2020, 12:15 p.m.
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Patrick Moore

@EcoSenseNow

BSc Biology PhD Ecology, Greenpeace co-founder, Now The Sensible Environmentalist. Chair, http://CO2Coalition.org. Science & logic, not sensation & fear. CelebrateCO2!

Canada, Mexicoallowgoldenricenow.org

Joined April 2013

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102.1K Followers


Patrick Moore’s Tweets

What does "make Regina's facilities and operations 100 per cent renewable by 2050" actually mean? Buildings are "facilities". So no concrete or steel? Vehicles conduct "operations", So electric fire trucks? Zero fossil fuels so no gas heating? Good luck!

If "The purpose of the Regina Conference is not to spark debate about climate change" then why does Regina say its purpose is "to make the City’s facilities and operations 100 per cent renewable by 2050"? Probably due to "climate change" right?

City of Regina | Reimagine Conference UpdateCity of Reginaregina.ca

This essay describes exactly why I left

@Greenpeace

 33 years ago. They began to describe humans as “The enemies of the Earth”. Too much like “original sin” for me. We are part of nature, and a fascinating part at that. #CelebrateCO2!! #CelebrateHumanity!!Today’s Environmentalists Must Make a Literal Life or Death DecisionYou’d think someone who longs for the day when everytownhall.com

Greenland fails to melt. Even 300 years into this Modern Warm Period it is colder than during most of the 10,000 year Holocene Interglacial Period. The alarmists want us to forget we are still in the 2.6 million-year Pleistocene Ice Age.

Greenland's SMB Gained 7 Gigatons Yesterday - ElectroverseOn the back of substantial SMB gains over the past few years, the Greenland ice sheet looks set to continue that trend in 2019-20.electroverse.net


By metmike - Feb. 8, 2020, 12:29 p.m.
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This is not saying that alot of Arctic sea ice HAD NOT melted. Only that the extreme/alarmists have been dead wrong for a decade about it catastrophically  accelerating and predicting MUCH lower sea ice here in 2020. 

Reality, using authentic data and science is that sea ice levels have stablized over the last decade. 


http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2020/01/

"At the close of December, sea ice growth had gained enough ground for daily extent to rank only seventh lowest, the highest at this time since 2014. Extent averaged for the month was 11.95 million square kilometers (4.61 million square miles), tied with 2006 as the fifth lowest December extent in the satellite record. This was 890,000 square kilometers (344,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 December average and 490,000 square kilometers (189,000 square miles) above the record low mark for December set in 2016."


Not saying that the ice won't start melting again, just saying not to believe those that have been insisting that it will do so catastrophically and been wrong............but constantly insist it's settled science.

How can settled science be so wrong on so many predictions?

This would be like you waking up tomorrow and finding out that the settled laws of gravity were wrong and your weight went from 200 lbs to 150 lbs (-:


An interesting aspect to the ice growing this WInter has been the cold air being trapped in the high latitudes and not making excursions south to the mid latitudes..........which is exactly why its been so mild in the United States.

No, this is not (human caused) climate change, which predicts the complete opposite during Winters.........warmer at high latitudes with "Arctic Amplification" that  is supposed to cause the polar vortex to shift south and shift the cold from high to mid latitudes.(this is what they said every time that happened over the past decade)

This Winter has seen the total opposite of that pattern. 

Craig Solberg@CraigSolberg·

Winter so far for the Nation...warmest on record (beating 2005/2006)

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By metmike - Feb. 8, 2020, 6:53 p.m.
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So for sure, the global warming of just over 1 deg. C over the last century is causing overall milder Winters everywhere but much more so in the highest latitudes. 


The warming is much greater in the coldest places during the coldest times of year(and night). That, along with an increase in rains have been the 2 most powerful, direct impacts from climate change that are indisputable.

So this Winters weather pattern, colder than average in the coldest places and milder down here, farther south is the opposite of how climate change affects the weather.

It strongly suggests that the extreme nature of it is being caused by something other than recent climate change.............or, that climate change/global warming is in the beginning stages of reversing.

I believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and should lead to additional warming and less Arctic sea ice in 10 years than we have now but am puzzled why we've gone numerous years with the melting no longer happening. 

I really thought that there would be much less ice than this in 2020(going back 5-10 or 15 years ago) and my forecast was conservative. 

Those forecasting MUCH less ice than me but telling us that it's actually worse than they predicted and that this is the beginning of the apocalypse, which will be unavoidable and destroy our planet for all of life by 2030 are completely making that up.

BTW, Arctic sea ice is already floating in the water. When it melts, its like ice cubes in your drink.........they melt and the level of the fluid stays the same. 

Greenland ice is over land. When it melts and flows into the ocean, it contributes directly to an increase in sea levels. Same thing with much of Antarctica's ice(over land).

Greenland ice,  with one of its key glaciers was measured to be slowing down a year ago but this is not because global warming has slowed down..........as some would like to think.

Inconvenient: NASA says a Greenland glacier did an about-face – growing again

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/25/inconvenient-nasa-says-a-greenland-glacier-did-an-about-face-growing-again/


Why a Growing Greenland Glacier Doesn't Mean Good News for Global Warming

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2925/why-a-growing-greenland-glacier-doesnt-mean-good-news-for-global-warming/


This shows how natural cycles make a big difference and despite climate change and global warming and climate crisis/emergency(the new preferred term) being synonomous with MAN MADE climate change.......and MAN MADE Climate crisis/emergency, as if natural cycles were suddenly abolished, the vast, vast majority of all weather and climate is still being caused by the same natural cycles that have been with us since well before humans existed. 

All we did is (beneficially) warm the greening planet by 1 deg. C. CO2 is well mixed in the global atmosphere.  Though the warming has especially been robust in the coldest places during the coldest times of year(high latitudes) and increased rain amounts can vary from region to region, we are still dealing with the same exact same wild natural fluctuations as before. There has NOT been an increase in extreme weather. Just an unprecedented reporting of it and often stating incorrectly that its from man made climate change. 

By metmike - March 22, 2020, 9:22 p.m.
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