bernie sanders
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Started by mcfarm - April 16, 2019, 9:42 a.m.

so hypocrite Bernie releases his taxes....he is now officially a  graciously gives him time and politely asked him gee Bernie if you are going to lead this parade of all pay more taxes then why did you decide to only pay a 26% marginal tax hypocrite Bernie answers only as a true hypocrite could...."what about Donald trump"...hypocrites get annoying real quick and all these offended snowflakes applauding Bernie better figure it out real quick

By carlberky - April 16, 2019, 11:07 a.m.
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By mcfarm - April 16, 2019, 11:41 a.m.
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again as stated the question for Bernie...we will get to trump when does his show....and the question to Mr Elite Bernie is why don't you pony up like you of demanded the rest of us peon do...Do  not ever believe Trump has implored all the rest of us pay 70% while he pays 26% like the hypocrite Bernie yes I told you who the hypocrite was. Seems as old bern sort of likes this capitalist system after all but has to deny it for cheap votes of snowflakes...all true

By carlberky - April 16, 2019, 11:53 a.m.
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mc, you fault Bernie for only payinng 26% of his income. Wonder what percent of President Trump's income he pays? Unfortunately, we will probably never know.

By mcfarm - April 16, 2019, 12:59 p.m.
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for now the third time, this is not bout Trump. Trump never asked anyone to pay like the elite bernie if Trump were parading around leading the socialists commy network of Bernie then paid 26% get back to me...otherwise try to stay on topic

and furthermore we can now look at his charitable contributions...3% really 3%  as Tim has documented here many times conservatives walk the walk and contribute while libs in the main are hypocrites and do not..we have now Biden and  Bernie as prime examples of hypocrisy on that front

By wglassfo - April 16, 2019, 3:43 p.m.
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Hi mcfarm

Sort of off topic but the hypocrisy is getting a bit deep

Sanctuary cities tell us all kinds of stuff about how bad ICE is

 and the courts have blocked every move Trump  has tried at the border, plus much more

So Trump says okay we will let the folks who want in, go to sanctuary cities. They should be so happy, to save all these illegals

Now Pelosie says:

Not in her back yard. Plus so many others say the same thing. They can't come here

Is it even worth the effort, to talk to these people, when you see so much obvious hypocrisy

They say it is Trumps fault

What did Trump do that caused the problem ??

Bt the way

If I was Trump and given the obvious hypocrisy, I wouldn't ever let anybody see my tax return

By mcfarm - April 16, 2019, 4:08 p.m.
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as per your usual Wayne you make sense to me but I am so rural

By joj - April 16, 2019, 5:05 p.m.
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Not at all hypocritical.  

Conservatives argue that if you are in favor of changing the tax law to make millionaires pay more, that you, as a millionaire, should pay more even if the law isn't changed.  Ridiculous!  They said the same goofy argument when Warren Buffet argued for a more progressive (dare I say fairer) tax law.  

By that logic anyone who advocates for US military involvement in a foreign conflict should themselves, volunteer and go put their life on the line.  

By that logic anyone who advocates for foreign military involvement should donate more money for bombs.  

By that logic anyone who advocates for pro life or anyone who advocates for a compassionate immigration policy should adopt unwanted babies or refugee immigrants.

Bernie is one of the rare authentic politicians.  I wouldn't vote for him, but he is no liar, nor a hypocrite by any stretch of the imagination.

By mcfarm - April 16, 2019, 5:50 p.m.
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really a simple question then joj. Why on earth did he evade both the income and contributions questions fully? IMHO, he has become a millionaire playing politics all the while he is really just another hypocritical elitist telling all the peons how to live while he sits in one of his brand new castles.

By metmike - April 16, 2019, 5:56 p.m.
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I had started this post intending to defend Sanders, stating that it's not how much money that you make but what you do with that money that matters the most. 

We should better judge people by their actions vs words is how that goes.

We all know what Sanders positions are.....

Why Bernie Sanders Is Talking About Poverty

"Bernie Sanders doesn’t want to talk about the middle class right now. He wants to talk about the poor.                

"The Vermont Senator on Tuesday made some of the most extended remarks on poverty of his campaign, telling an audience in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., that there is “a physiology of poverty” and tying his own ambitions for helping the poor to the legacy of President Franklin D. Roosevelt."

metmike: One of the absolute best ways to judge the sincerity of a persons desire to help the poor/less fortunate is to look to see how much money they donate to charitable organizations, who's work directly benefits those less fortunate.

"Sanders reported $10,600 in charitable contributions in 2016, making up slightly less than one percent of his reported income and falling under the $21,365 average charitable contribution for Americans who earned $250,000 or more that year, according to the latest available IRS data."


YearAdjusted Gross IncomeCharitable GiftsPercent to Charity

From 2009 through 2015, when Sanders was earning on average $280,975 per year, he contributed 2.06 percent to charity. His charitable giving rose slightly to 2.39 percent of his income from 2016 through 2018, when his average income soared to $918,615 per year.“My wife and I do give money to charity, and we’re proud to do what we did,” Sanders said at a Fox News town hall Monday."

metmike: If  this were somebody's else's return, I wouldn't place as high of a weighting on the charity contributions(and just think they are a bit selfish/cheapskates that don't place much priority in their lives on  helping the poor).

Numbers don't lie. He's running on a  platform that presents himself as a champion of the poor but when it comes to parting with HIS money to help the poor............uh, uh. that's HIS money. 

I really believed Bernie to be sincere before seeing this powerful evidence..............a decade's worth of evidence which contradicts his words. 

By mcfarm - April 16, 2019, 6:02 p.m.
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a big thanks to Tim and metmike for making my case for me. Maybe the libs here will put more credibility on the truth since you weighed in again with your facts

By metmike - April 16, 2019, 6:27 p.m.
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But Bernie isn't the biggest cheapskate in politics. Those honors go to  a guy that I liked better than anybody else from his party.........and would have considered voting for in the last election.

It's a guy that the media made a big deal about awhile back because he emptied his pockets for  a homeless person on the street. I seriously thought "wow, this is the sort of guy I could consider voting for because his actions display how much he sincerely cares for the less fortunate".........but, let's  check to see if this is another manufactured reality by the gatekeepers of the information sent out to influence us.

Biden gave average of $369 to charity a year

"The Bidens reported giving $995 in charitable donations last year — about 0.3% of their income and the highest amount in the past decade. The low was $120 in 1999, about 0.1% of yearly income.Over the decade, the Bidens reported a total of $3,690 in charitable donations, or 0.2% of their income."

Wow, they were portraying the LEAST generous politician that I could find in searching the records(maybe there was somebody that gave even less and I couldn't find them)  being completely opposite of that...."emptying his pockets" to give  all the money he had with him that night.

 Somebody, who's ACTIONS with his own money/donations to help the poor and less fortunate were a quintessential example of not caring about helping others.

Hey, I am perfectly fine with people like that. It's sad for them and others when they don't appreciate helping the less fortunate................. but don't insult me by trying to turn a person like that, defined by 10 years of actions(lack of actions) into the complete opposite using promotional/publicity stunts. 

Again, 10 years worth of data don't lie.  

Biden Shares Story Of Giving Money To Homeless Woman

By metmike - April 16, 2019, 9:18 p.m.
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What if Trump released his tax returns(never gonna happen) and they showed that he gave 0% to charities?

I'm betting that wouldn't be the case but it wouldn't matter to me.

Trump has already lost the battle on character with whoever he runs against..........for me at least. He has already won the battle on authentic climate change and how it affects our vital energy policies. He's won on the economy and border security. The other side actually has such counterproductive positions on those issues that it makes it a no brainer already......for me, at least on those particular issues.

But his off the charts character flaws are so abhorrent, that I would strongly consider voting for somebody like the most honest and compassionate president ever, Jimmy Carter, as long as he was a Jimmy Carter policy democrat(who, despite what history says, was my favorite president).

But every time I look for that..........when there appears to be somebody that "might" have those's seems like it's fake, self promotional news about them, trying to convince people that's who they are .........when  they really aren't. 

If I'm wrong, then give me a name please.

I  would also put Ralph Nader in that authentic category and Ron Paul, both of whom I would probably vote for if they were running in 2020. So tell me who is authentic/honest, has good leadership skills, not divisive and is not whacked out with alternate universe plans like the Green New Deal?

I already took Biden off my list. Sorry but for me, somebody that has devoted his life to helping others with actions, Biden completely turning his back to helping others with his lack of donations for at least a decade kicks him out of that club.

By GunterK - April 16, 2019, 10:05 p.m.
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thanks, metmike, for your honest description of your political views.

These are confusing political times. 

I agree with you.... the D Trump we got to know during his campaign, and got to know even more from his endless twittering, has a personality most of us don't like.

Yet, when you look at what is going on at our borders, he is the only man who really seems to care about our country. Even Obama's ex-Border-Patrol chief stated that this is the biggest border crisis the US ever faced. And then you see these crazies who turn their cities into "sanctuaries" for illegals and want to disband ICE and Border Patrol.... but when Trump threatens to send detained illegals to their cities, they scream bloody murder.

When you look at these kinds of politicians... politicians who don't care about the welfare of their country... politicians who talk the talk to cater to minorities, but deep in their heard detest them.... it can turn a decade-long dem-supporter, like myself, into a conservative.

If these guys keep up this nonsense, I am going to buy myself a MAGA hat and walk the streets of LA (I probably need a concealed-carry license to do so.... out here you get beat up if you wear that hat)

By joj - April 17, 2019, 8:17 a.m.
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OK all you "Hypocrites" from Red states sucking on the government teat.

Please return the money you receive from the government in excess of the paltry contributions your states make to the coffers.