King Trump
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Started by metmike - May 8, 2019, 8:07 p.m.

Part of the new narrative by the dems describing Trump is to make us think that he is acting like a "king" because he won't go along with their undemocratic abuse of power by cooperating with them as they continue to relentlessly investigate everything that they can about him for political agenda. 

King Trump, actually has exercised his presidential power to veto congress less than any president in the last century and almost in history.


            https://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidential-Vetoes/Presidential-Vetoes/

 Congresses PresidentRegular Vetoes Pocket VetoesTotal VetoesVetoes Overridden
1st-4thGeorge Washington                               2.....2.....
5th-6thJohn Adams                               ....................
7th-10thThomas Jefferson                               ....................
11th–14th                               James Madison                               527.....
                                                                    15th–18th                               James Monroe                               1.....1.....
                                                                    19th–20th                               John Quincy Adams....................
21st–24th                               Andrew Jackson                               5712.....
25th–26th                               Martin Van Buren                               .....11.....
                                                                    27th                               William Henry Harrison                               ....................
                                                                    27th–28th                               John Tyler                               64101
29th–30th                               James K. Polk                               213.....
31st                               Zachary Taylor                               ....................
31st–32nd                               Millard Fillmore                               ....................
33rd–34thFranklin Pierce                               9.....95
35th–36th                               James Buchanan                               437.....
37th–39th                               Abraham Lincoln                               257.....
39th–40th                               Andrew Johnson                               2182915
                                                                    41st–44th                               Ulysses S. Grant                               4548934
45th–46th                               Rutherford B. Hayes                               121131
47th                               James A. Garfield                               ....................
                                                                    47th–48th                               Chester A. Arthur                               48121
                                                                    49th–50th                               Grover Cleveland                               3041104142
51st–52nd                               Benjamin Harrison                               1925441
53rd–54th                               Grover Cleveland                               421281705
                                                                    55th–57thWilliam McKinley                               63642.....
                                                                    57th–60th                               Theodore Roosevelt                               4240821
                                                                    61st–62nd                               William H. Taft                               309391
63rd–66th                               Woodrow Wilson                               3311446
67thWarren G. Harding                               516.....
                                                                    68th–70th                               Calvin Coolidge                               2030504
                                                                    71st–72nd                               Herbert C. Hoover                               2116373
                                                                    73rd–79th                               Franklin D. Roosevelt                               3722636359
                                                                    79th–82nd                               Harry S. Truman                               1807025012
                                                                    83rd–86th                               Dwight D. Eisenhower                               731081812
87th–88th                               John F. Kennedy                               12921.....
                                                                    88th–90stLyndon B. Johnson                               161430.....
91st–93rdRichard M. Nixon                               2617437
93rd–94th                               Gerald R. Ford                               48186612
                                                                    95th–96th                               James Earl Carter                               1318312
                                                                    97th–100th                               Ronald Reagan                               3939789
101st–102nd                               George H. W. Bush12915441
103rd–106th                               William J. Clinton2361372
                                                                                                    107th–110th                               George W. Bush312.....124
                                                                                                    111th–114th                               Barack H. Obama412.....121
115th–116thDonald J. Trump2.....2..... 
Total           151010662576111
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Re: King Trump
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By metmike - May 8, 2019, 8:09 p.m.
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Just another case of them accusing their opponent(s) of what THEY are actually doing.... totally abusing their power, now that they have control of the house but accuse Trump of it with their "king" narrative.



https://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidential-Vetoes/Presidential-Vetoes/


"Article I, section 7 of the Constitution grants the President the authority to veto legislation passed by Congress. This authority is one of the most significant tools the President can employ to prevent the passage of legislation."


Again, note the extraordinarily low number of times that Trump has used his veto power to influence Congress.


Here's an incredibly biased way to spin  Trump's record low number of veto's by the MSM to make it appear like he uses them all the time 

How Trump fits into the history of presidential vetoes


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-trump-fits-into-the-history-of-presidential-vetoes


Once he vetoes the measure, Trump will be nowhere near the all-time record for vetoes by a president. That superlative belongs to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who vetoed 635 bills while in office.


It intentionally makes you think that he must be vetoing a lot of stuff because they compare it with the record for most vetos but don't give you Trumps veto's number..............which is almost the record LOW in history.

They wouldn't want to do that because it would contradict the fake narrative that Trump is acting like a king.

Kings actually don't get voted in, like Trump did based on their platform, then stick to the same agenda they promised the voters that elected them.

However, Kings and dictators do get overthrown in coop's in non democratic governments...........like the attempts of Donald Trumps enemies tried to do, with actions that closely resembled a coop....to overturn the democratic and authentic presidential election results of 2016.

And they are still trying to take him out. 


https://www.britannica.com/topic/coup-detat


"Coup d’état, also called Coup,   the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group.  Unlike a revolution, which is usually achieved by large numbers of people working for basic social, economic, and political change, a coup is a change in power from the top that merely results in the abrupt replacement of leading government personnel."


So who is acting like King vs a legally elected president trying to apply the agenda he promised for the American people with his platform.

On the other side, who is acting to follow the democratic process..........accepting the results of elections vs trying to  unseat the the democratically elected president with legal or illegal means(in cohoots with the justice department and MSM) and attempting to block his Make American Great Again agenda?

By carlberky - May 8, 2019, 9:54 p.m.
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"Again, note the extraordinarily low number of times that Trump has used his veto power to influence Congress."

Really, Mike? All the bills were created by his party. Why would he veto any bill that reflected his agenda

As for Roosevelt, he vetoed 635 bills while elected to 4 terms, and his vetos were overturned just 9 times.

By metmike - May 8, 2019, 10:27 p.m.
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Carl,

True that his party had control of both houses for 2 years but does this sound like a king/dictator?

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/donald-trump-russia-sanctions-bill/index.html


"President Donald Trump signed into law Wednesday morning legislation that levies new sanctions against Russia and restricts Trump's own ability to ease sanctions in place against Moscow.

The bill is one of the first major pieces of legislation that was sent to Trump's desk, and it represents a rebuke of the President by giving Congress new veto power to block him from removing Russia sanctions.

The White House announced the signing shortly after 11 a.m. ET, saying the bill includes "a number of clearly unconstitutional provisions" that "purport to displace the President's exclusive constitutional authority to recognize foreign governments, including their territorial bounds."

By metmike - May 8, 2019, 11:17 p.m.
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Here is another  constitutional law experts opinion that makes sense to me:

Mueller Dossier' Is Wrongful Use of Criminal Law  

https://www.newsmax.com/stephenbpresser/barr-democrats-dershowitz/2019/05/07/id/914917/


"Some on Mueller's team may well have sought similarly to ruin President Trump, by suggesting to Democrats that they could use "obstruction of justice" as a means of impeaching and removing him from office.

    

"For Dershowitz, and other objective legal analysts, however, the president’s power as chief executive fully permitted him to engage in the acts the Mueller report characterizes as "obstruction," and especially if those acts were performed in a good faith effort to prevent what the president knew was wrongdoing.

This could hardly constitute "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors," it was simply a president attempting to be president and resisting what was, in effect, a coup against him."

How is it that Trump can be investigated and smeared for 2.5 years for something that he didn't do and of course he knew that he was innocent for............then, if he did anything that interfered with the illegal and unjustified investigation............he was obstructing?

Carl, if you were being framed for something that you knew you didn't do by your enemies, who were powerful enough to use it to completely destroy you and those enemies had  almost complete control of the investigation and everything related to it..........and they were going thru your employees, ex employees and friends to get as many to cooperate and testify against you to successfully frame and take you down for something you didn't do.............you would just assist them and allow it to happen with zero resistence?

No way that you can be that heartless and expect Trump to have acted that way. 

This is obstruction of justice?

The investigation was supposedly to determine whether Trump colluded with Russia...........we know that he didn't. In the Mueller report, its states that somebody told the Mueller team that Trump told them to lie about something and this is one of the reasons for obstruction and impeachment.

This is absurd. An investigation based on huge lies by one side, that continued to investigate well after they knew it was based on lies, is accusing the guy they are investigating of  telling somebody to lie, and they want to convict them for telling somebody to do exactly what they had been doing for 2.5 years to destroy him?

This is the craziest miscarriage of justice in our country's history being played out in front of us and with half the people actually applauding it because they hate the person being harrassed so much, that they can only see it as him getting what he deserves and cognitive bias, along with MSM and one sides convincing sounding false narratives, has completely disabled their brains from seeing the realities. 




By metmike - May 8, 2019, 11:26 p.m.
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Former Clinton adviser: Rep. Nadler is not the ‘supreme power of the nation’

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-clinton-adviser-rep-nadler-is-not-the-supreme-power-of-the-nation


"Former Bill Clinton adviser and pollster Mark Penn said on “Fox & Friends” Wednesday that our political system is being weaponized against itself and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., is to blame because he is acting like the “supreme power of the nation.”


“We have a problem that the Democratic base has been convinced that Nadler and impeachment and Russia collusion is all correct,” Penn said.

“So he’s (Nadler’s) in a very safe district and he gets his moment in the spotlight. He and (California Rep. Adam) Schiff. At the same time, the broad electorate says, give me infrastructure, not investigations.”



By metmike - May 8, 2019, 11:41 p.m.
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I am well aware that Trump tweets crazy things like a king would state, often embellishing, exaggerating and distorting the facts...........usually to energize his loyal flock that he constantly appeals to.

But  the facts are the facts in the Mueller investigation and despite Trumps incredible character flaws that make him easy to attack with impunity, justice is not being served and justice was obliterated during the last 2.5 years.

Even A-holes deserve fair treatment and protection from harrassment and from being the targets of unfounded witch hunts being conducted entirely for political reasons. 

Re: King Trump
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By TimNew - May 9, 2019, 4:09 a.m.
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It's tough to be a dem right now.  I'd really hate to be in their position.  They've played all their cards, all the ones with any chance, real or imagined.  Impeaching Trump as a traitor, and/or Trump as an obstructionist is fading into history, and all they have left is histrionics..   Asking the same people the same questions over an over, hoping for more favorable answers, and then throwing fits when the targets refuse to play anymore. "How dare Barr refuse to come back after answering all of our questions!!!!.  What's he trying to hide? This is like a dictatorship!!!"

This from the side who applauded Obama for invoking executive privilege over he and Holders (I'm Obama's wingman) conversations in the midst of the Fast and Furious investigation.  Mind you, not after 2 and a half years and a multi volume report,  but right at the onset.

This from the side who carefully looked the other way as Bill Clinton met with Lynch in an attempted secret meeting on the eve of the completion of the email investigation.

Under Obama, the list of valid examples of what the left now labels obstruction and tyranny goes on and on.  But as we know, neither side of the aisle has a monopoly on hypocrisy.  Seems it's  an integral part of todays politics even as the dems raise it to an art form...

But the worst part for dems, the part that I think is really motivating them, is that now Barr appears to be looking to peel back the layers of the onion that was this supposedly legal attempted coup. Find out what actually drove this political theater.  And that may not turn out very well for them.

By carlberky - May 9, 2019, 6:41 a.m.
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"Former Clinton adviser: Rep. Nadler is not the ‘supreme power of the nation’"'

Of course not.  Every one knows that Mitch McConnell is. 

By metmike - May 9, 2019, 8:20 p.m.
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