New Trump Criticizing/bashing Thread for cliff-e(and others)
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Started by metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:16 p.m.

With 51 posts in the previous Trump bashing thread, it was getting excessively long.

You can see that one here:

Since this is obviously a popular topic(at least for 1 guy), we can continue it, as long as it respects the previously stated boundaries(if a poster does this numerous times daily with zero positive contributions, for instance, I will delete their excessive bashes and may warn them) (or if they become offensive or it results in personal attacks-they WILL be warned).

I actually encourage posters to objectively criticize Trump for his many faults and weaknesses vs bashing because you hate his guts............and the MSM has taken over your brain.

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:20 p.m.
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Let's let cliff get us started off with a bang here by using his 3 posts earlier today on the old Trump bashing thread:

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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 8:15 a.m.            


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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 8:53 a.m.            


Sonny Perdue...just another 45 lackey.


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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 8:56 a.m.            


Interesting thread on waivers. 45's EPA may face legal action.


By metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:30 p.m.
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By metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 10:17 p.m.
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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 9:31 p.m.            

            New AP poll doesn't look good.

Btw this thread wasn't started by me and that's not my "pen name" in the title but there's much to learned and hey let's keep it going and go for the gold. ;~)

By cliff-e - Aug. 25, 2019, 12:38 p.m.
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Losing another fan and gaining another challenger seems to be 45's method. He continues to be his own worst enemy.

By cliff-e - Aug. 25, 2019, 6:13 p.m.
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By metmike - Aug. 25, 2019, 7:49 p.m.
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Thanks for using the new thread. I'll bet we can get it back up to 50 again.

Just curious on who your favorite candidate is and why?

By cliff-e - Sept. 6, 2019, 5:40 p.m.
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By TimNew - Sept. 6, 2019, 9:25 p.m.
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Just curious on who your favorite candidate is and why?

I honestly truly don't blame Cliff one little bit for side stepping this question.  It's a trend I notice across the internet from liberals of all walks.  All things considered,  who can blame them?

But for the active liberal posters, and the lurkers...   Which of the dem candidates for POTUS do you support?  Which do you think would be the best?   Why?

I'm willing to make a substantial wager that there will be no response.

By 12345 - Sept. 6, 2019, 9:46 p.m.
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I would like to see a Liz/Hellery ticket.

By TimNew - Sept. 6, 2019, 10:57 p.m.
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Assuming you are serious, and the "Hellery" nomen indicates other, I'll assume you want to assure a Trump victory.

Can there be a less palitable team than Warren/Clinton?

By cliff-e - Sept. 7, 2019, 8:02 a.m.
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By 12345 - Sept. 9, 2019, 12:48 a.m.
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How's 'bout a Harris/Booker ticket?

Maybe, a Biden/Obama ticket would work, eh?

By joj - Sept. 9, 2019, 6:06 a.m.
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I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Bashing suggests wild and out of control.  Bashing suggests emotional and unfounded.

As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E....

By TimNew - Sept. 9, 2019, 7:54 a.m.
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As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E....

I'm certain that's as honest an opinion as you can muster,   but no one, or at least very few, care to name a specific dem candidate.   They all support positions that are indefensible to an informed individual and no one wants to be in a position where they have to defend them.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 10:39 a.m.
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"I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Agreed, thanks.

Changed it for you.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 10:57 a.m.
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"As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E...."

That's exactly how the dems will win. Who gets nominated does not matter. They will get almost 100% of the Stop Trump vote.

pj has made this point............that Obama started a far right reaction movement that ended up with Trump(Trump was the reaction to him).

Trumps far right has resulted in a MUCH FARTHER left movement because of him. While I agree partly, the biggest reaction to Trump has been how he presents and delivers his agenda, not necessarily the agenda/platform.

However, the really, really extreme, doesn't make any sense based on authentic facts in the real world left sees this as a golden opportunity.

No matter how crazy the Green New Scheme, fake climate crisis agenda/position(and other stuff) is, because it is going up against Trump, it's assured a win. 

If the side opposing Trump told us that their new science discovered dog sheet was the fountain of youth and their plan included free dogs and dog food to help them manufacturer the health benefits at home............they would still vote against Trump.............and for that plan.

Get ready for the US and globally.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 11:09 a.m.
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This may sound odd but the best chance for the republicans to win would be if for some reason they couldn't run Trump.

Should that happen, the Never Again Trump rug would be completely pulled out from the dems and the details of their platform would matter. 

This is also why, the dems know that an impeachment of Trump that removed him from office would really backfire.

But they know they can impeach in the house they control and it would be impossible to impeach in the other house that has a pub majority and needs 2/3rds majority.

So thats what they do. Damage his credibility more by impeaching in "their" house, knowing its a big waste of time because he remains in office, which is WHAT THEY WANT.

Trump running in 2020 is a gift. Pence running could be a problem. He would get the Trump vote +ton of never Trumpers who like the agenda.

+ton of people who actually look at the platform of the other side.

By mcfarm - Sept. 9, 2019, 11:17 p.m.
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interesting take MM. You make sound points. But I still think most Americans vote for something, not against. Trump, kept his word on his campaign promises. People are so sick of typical pols. The msm's have lost their last cent of common sense. New MRC survey has over 90% negative Trump stories....that's 90%. Its now so biased the people are being driven to Trump because they have no choice and are dumping the msm's and their load of crap.

Bernie had a picture of his rally in Iowa. Must of been nearly 50 people there. Trump had people waiting for 2 days in North Carolina and another sell out tonite. If Trump completes this china deal, holds things together, its now possible for him to take many more states than last election considering who the dems are running. Biden the front runner cannot even read his teleprompter this week. Say what you will I see no one running that can threaten Trump. Warning, I am so naive I thought the usda would recognize 20m prevented planting acres!

By TimNew - Sept. 10, 2019, 3:20 a.m.
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It will be interesting to see how the issues are presented when it comes down to Trump and the dem candidate who takes the primaries. 

If the dem candidate is one of the current front runners and Trump sticks to his agenda and issues,  it will be no contest in the debates. Unfortunately,  that's not how Trump operates.  He'll drag the debates into the gutter and the MSM will do everything they can to keep  the issues and accomplishments out of their coverage, as they do now, instead focusing on Trump's "buffoonery",  even creating it where it does not exist.

By cliff-e - Sept. 10, 2019, 3:49 p.m.
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45's still going thru staff like toilet paper and treating them as such. The Dictator campaigned on this statement.."And I alone can do that"...and carried that out with a zeal never seen before.

By cliff-e - Sept. 11, 2019, 1:08 p.m.
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45's not a listener. One of many unflattering attributes.

By cliff-e - Sept. 15, 2019, 7:56 a.m.
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By cliff-e - Sept. 15, 2019, 12:48 p.m.
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By metmike - Sept. 15, 2019, 8:19 p.m.
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Thanks cliff! For reminding me why the original title of the thread had the word bashing in it(based on your Trump posting).......before joj made this request:

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                                     By joj - Sept. 9, 2019, 6:06 a.m.            

            "I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Bashing suggests wild and out of control.  Bashing suggests emotional and unfounded."

cliff-e's source(title of the article): 

"Trump’s distant Scottish cousin blasts president as selfish man who stole pancakes"

metmike: Surely there's no disputing bashing on this one..........which is fine but joj, sorry to shift again to continually adjust to what you guys want............cliff-e wants bashing and so that's what we have in the title.

By TimNew - Sept. 16, 2019, 9:51 a.m.
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So we now live a world where it bears mention that a distant relative of Trump's complained about him stealing pancakes...  I suppose it would be humorous, and it is,  except for that fact that the people who focus on such banality also vote.

By cliff-e - Sept. 16, 2019, 5:40 p.m.
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45's tax records subpoenaed. He just might find out what prison pancakes taste like yet.

By mcfarm - Sept. 16, 2019, 6:16 p.m.
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holy crap cliff? really? tax records?   how about a dem during a nationalized debate offering anyone who is dumb enough to vote for him a 1000 dollars/month? That seem at all strange? Or another promising to go right around our very constitution knock on your door with armed police and take your guns? Strange? Or several others all joining in and agreeing to impeach a supreme court justice because of a another smear job by the NY Times? No facts, no due diligence, no presumption of innocence, just impeach the guy cause you want to kill babies. Sound a bit strange to you at all?

By metmike - Sept. 16, 2019, 7:03 p.m.
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Trump has alot of powerful enemies in high places with power to do things to him that would never be tolerated by the justice system or the American people if they were targeting any other president.

The Russian investigation for 2.5 years for instance is the one that was on a scale of light years beyond what any human being should ever be subjected to, purely from the use of your corrupt political enemies using/abusing the justice system, in cahoots with the MSM in order to destroy you by making stuff up about you.............and you were innocent before, during and afterwards...........but it still is twisted into being an ok thing to do because it's Trump.

So when Biden is elected, will there be a dozen investigations of him going back upteen years, including his entire family and everybody that he did business with or had a relationship with?

Of course not.

Can they find some things to get Trump on if they continue the investigations?

For sure they can. That's why they are doing it. 

And that is illegal by most ethical standards..............using political differences as the justification to investigate somebody. 

It doesn't matter what you think of Trump. People like him and everybody else in this country has basic rights and many of these investigations of him are violating his. 

By cliff-e - Sept. 16, 2019, 8:46 p.m.
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Sure there's people who like 45 (hey even Nixon had his fan base to the bitter end and beyond) but there's more who don't...

And for those who are fans of 45 we have this special group of people...

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By metmike - Sept. 16, 2019, 9:07 p.m.
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Thanks cliff!

You never answered my question on what democratic candidate that you would support to run against Trump and why?

By cliff-e - Sept. 17, 2019, 12:12 p.m.
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Let's learn more about 45's GOP challengers who aren't a part of Cult 45.

What's he so afraid of that he feels a need to rig  the primaries?

By cliff-e - Sept. 20, 2019, 11:18 p.m.
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