metmike: When I return to the computer later today, I will provide some authentic facts to straighten out all the misinformation about this new, latest fake (climate change) emergency.
There are some legit environmental issues here. Ironically, increasing CO2 in the atmosphere is what the authentic biology/agronomy science doctor would prescribe as one of the best ways to treat this issue right now.
These fires have nothing to do with climate change!
At least a few sources will acknowledge that part of it. The Amazon is being turned into agricultural production land by farmers.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/08/amazon-fires-are-political/596776/
The fires blazing in Brazil are part of a larger deforestation crisis, accelerated by President Jair Bolsonaro.
"So the Amazonian fires—which have been blazing for weeks and notoriously received less coverage than Notre Dame’s burning roof— seem like a potent symbol of humanity’s indifference to environmental disorder, including climate change.
But climate change is not the primary cause of the wildfires. —the Amazonian fires are not wildfires at all. These fires did not start by lightning strike or power line: They were ignited. And while they largely affect land already cleared for ranching and farming, they can and do spread into old-growth forest."
I have covered this numerous times before here. Destruction of the rain forecast and issues related to agriculture are high up on that list:
The real environmental crisis's
Started by metmike - April 10, 2019, 7:11 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27498/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27169/
https://phys.org/news/2019-02-world-catastrophic-collapse-insects.html
"By a large margin, habitat change—deforestation, urbanization, conversion to farmland—emerged as the biggest cause of insect decline and extinction threat.
Next was pollution and the widespread use of pesticides in commercial agriculture"
Is this yet another "climate" emergency as we are being told?
Are we destroying the "lungs" of the planet that produce(I've read up to 20%) of the worlds oxygen?
And absurdly, help to gobble up alot of the CO2 pollution(CO2 is a beneficial gas)?
As an environmentalist, I am strongly against destroying the rain forecasts, especially at this rate. However, the above claims are misleading.
The planet is massively greening up, plants are doing the best that they have done since humans walked the earth...........thanks to the humans increasing beneficial CO2 for them, in combination with the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years. Many forests cut down for timber have regrown twice as fast as expected......because CO2 promotes even faster growth for woody stemmed plants!
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
However, burning down tremendous amounts of the rain forecast to grow soybeans and raise cattle is a bad thing. The rate at which its happening is potentially a VERY bad thing.
I have a big problem with the MSM, never acknowledging this legit issue for 2 decades, going from almost no coverage of real environmentalism(focusing 100% on the fake climate crisis).........to "it's an emergency because of climate change"
It's definitely a problem. Here is a site that gives the most comprehensive data with great graphs to show the destruction of the rain forecast taking place over the last 2 decades.
https://rainforests.mongabay.com/amazon/amazon_destruction.html
Tree cover loss in Amazon countries according to analysis of satellite data by Hansen et al 2018.So the Rain forests in South America are being cut down(actually burned), more and more each year. This needs to stop. What about the rest of the planet???
Today, forested area is declining in about one-third of the world’s countries, stable in one-third, and growing in one third. Forests are stable or growing in more than 100 nations, including Australia, Canada, China, India, Japan, New Zealand, Russia, the US, and in most of Europe.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/21/the-coming-global-forest-regrowth/
But when it comes to the affects of climate change and CO2, the news for our forests is actually GOOD not bad:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180416185629.htm
"Climate change could speed the natural regrowth of forests on undeveloped or abandoned land in the eastern U.S., according to a new study.
Previous research has shown that the succession from field to forest can happen decades sooner in the southeastern US than in the Northeast. But it wasn't obvious why. A new study points to temperature as the major factor influencing the pace of reforestation."
State of the worlds forests:
http://www.fao.org/3/i3010e/i3010e.pdf
Passing laws/regulations that limit the amount of the rain forest that can be destroyed is the best way to address this issue.
The next best thing that can be done, that is actually helping the rain forests to do better and helping all forests to flourish and regrow around the planet is to...............INCREASE the amount of beneficial CO2 in the air!
In addition, the higher CO2 levels have caused crop yields to soar higher by double digit, bin busting amounts. This means that we require LESS land to grow our crops on to feed the world.
Sunshine +H20 + Minerals +CO2 = O2 + Food(sugars)
Yeah baby! That's the rock solid law of science/nature that we all learned as kids..........photosynthesis!! When the CO2 is increased, the O2 +Food(sugars) goes up!
The politicians and MSM may have declared CO2 to be pollution and the main cause of their fake climate crisis(they are now pushing for the new verbiage to substitute the more scary "emergency" for crisis).
But plants/trees/biosphere and all of life in biology, agronomy, zoology and plant science on this greening planet have completely ignored their junk science.
So where the heck do they get this crisis from?
1. Twisting facts and manufacturing facts about what is really happening(into something that is NOT happening). Exaggerating. Sensationalizing extreme weather events that have happened before from natural causes.
2. Simulations from models that go out for a century based on speculative mathematical equations which are nothing more than computers being programmed to tell us what the programmer thinks "might" happen............but has not been happening at the rate they thought.
3 decades ago, the US produced almost 3 times the soybeans as Brazil did.
Both countries have greatly benefited from the wonderful weather/climate and CO2 levels, which are helping to cause higher and higher yields. However, note that Brazil's production has accelerated higher at a much greater rate. ..............as they have massively increased the number of acres for growing soybeans...............some of which has come from land that was previously part of the rain forest.
https://gro-intelligence.com/insights/articles/in-race-for-china-brazil-eyes-record-soybean-crop
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Let's look back at the actual data/observations measuring the CO2 and the affects that burning these forests has.
Note the image below from October/early November 2014. The most powerful sun, is aimed much farther south in the southern hemisphere. There is a band of higher CO2 that extends across the entire globe, now seen to have shifted, exactly with the sun angle(which is heating the oceans below and maximizing out gassing of CO2) in the Southern Hemisphere. The band extends across areas that have no industry or extensive human caused CO2 emissions and the band is well SOUTH of the equator.
What really jumps out related to what this thread is about is the location of the 2 biggest areas of the darkest shades on the planet, representing the highest levels of CO2. One is over Brazil, the other over Africa. These were caused by the intentional burning of forests and savanna's on those 2 continents, related to agricultural activity.
The elevated CO2 levels, again are NOT a bad thing. However, it's very revealing to show that natural outgassing from the oceans in combination with the unnatural burning of forests/savanna's is greatly exceeding the emissions from industry in the Northern Hemisphere that we've been told are the culprit for almost all of the extra emissions.
https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/oco2/pia18934
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What's even more incredible, is that Brazil production has caught up to US production, even while the US was doubling it's crop yields!!!
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Field_Crops/soyyld.php
I have been adding the points below in some of these discussions, to help clarify the difference between being an authentic environmentalist and the fake climate crisis.
There is absolutely nothing.............ZERO that you and me can do that would ever have any affect on climate/weather.
The Green New Deal cannot have any affect............and it would destroy our economy.
However, we can ALL practice environmentalism. We can all conserve energy and natural resources(while saving money). We can all pollute less. We can all keep our communities clean by not littering.
Go to this link and see the authentic position and life style of a sincere environmentalist vs the fake environmentalists like Bernie Sanders that make up convincing sounding stuff to get attention and get votes.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/37437/
By metmike - Aug. 4, 2019, 12:16 p.m.
The EPA-s endangerment finding which allows it to regulate CO2 as a pollutant is one of the biggest piles of dung in political history, masquerading as science.
I’m a passenger in a car right now or would show it to you.
Keep in mind that I’m an environmentalist.
I conserve water and energy, I turn the ac completely off in the Summer when my wife is not home and the heat down to as low as50 in the winter when she’s gone.....seriously-I damaged her tropical plants a couple of times-I wear a sweat shirt, my winter jacket, a hat and gloves with finger holes to type on the computer. I often wear a pair of down pants over my jeans.
I minimize use of plastics and paper/ cardboard. We used to recycle but got out of that routine. My kids would collect aluminum cans, crush them then we would sell them. They made $100 doing this.
I also exercise vigorously and exhale massive amounts of beneficial CO2 to do my part in helping to green up the planet (-:
Unless you are very active or get dirty, there is no need to shower every day. I shower after exercise or working outside and getting dirty. Showering every day Is a waste of water if you just do it out of habit. Green lawns are aesthetically appealing but they waste billions of gallons of water.
The point of telling you this is that the hypocritical gatekeepers of the information that brainwash us about the fake climate crisis are maximizing their use of those fossil fuels to enjoy all the comforts they provide in their lives.......and calling people like me deniers for providing authentic science that contradicts their scary, speculative computer model simulations going out for the next 100 years.
And they have the gumption to tell us exactly what we have to do or we will lose the planet in 12 years, with solutions that will have zero effect on climate and don’t address any real environmental problems with our water, air or soils.
All the climate reality discussions can be found here:
The China trade war factor. For every action there's a reaction.
Who would have thought.
Mr. ANTI Environmental Protection Agency(in the United States) is Mr. Environmentalist in Brazil.
Let Brazil practice environmentalism to keep them from expanding their soybean acres when it hurts your bottom line.
And Trump's at fault too. Just look at the big jump higher in tree loss, the year that Trump was elected. Maybe it was really Brazil and not Russia that interfered in the election (-:
We should have a contest at MarketForum to see who can be the most creative at finding something to blame on President Trump.
No fair in picking any of the 2,497 items that he has already been blamed for.
Seriously,
We need to be good stewards, taking care of this planet and the life on it.
Fake environmentalism using a fake climate crisis and fraudulent agreements like the Climate Accord and Green New Deal would do nothing to affect the climate(which is a climate optimum that has featured the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years) and waste trillions in resources.
It's good that some are FINALLY acknowledging a real environmental, serious negative consequence in Brazil. Sad that they still try to connect it to climate change.
