10-5-2019 New Trump bashing Thread for cliff-e(others)
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Started by metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 7:36 p.m.

Cliff has been a busy boy trolling and bashing Trump at MarketForum recently. The previous thread was up to 60 posts!!

 Though almost all of it is rubbish, I realize, as a scientist that he is allowing us(me) to peer into the mind of a neurotic/obsessive Trump hater in a way that would otherwise not be possible......after mojo had to be banned(mojo was using obscenities,  name calling and personal attacks with his Trump trolling/bashing).

So, for the time being, we will start a new Trump bashing thread. And pick up from where we left off in the last one, with my last response to let cliff and others know where I'm coming from, despite allowing this rubbish here. 

Also, as a warning to cliff from the last thread allowing this. You were supposed to be limited to one bash/troll thread a day and are supposed to be contributing something other than just this rubbish. I will not be a stickler for the exact limit but 4 a day, like yesterday is probably not going to last very long.

Also, if others are offended by this, please let me know. 

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                           By cliff-e - Oct. 4, 2019, 8:25 a.m.            


Where else shall they investigate? Emoluments clause a factor?




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                            By cliff-e - Oct. 4, 2019, 8:43 a.m.            




                By cliff-e - Oct. 4, 2019, 3:35 p.m.            


I wonder how the "Cult 45 Echo Chamber" will spin this?



                              By cliff-e - Oct. 4, 2019, 4:36 p.m.            





                                       By cliff-e - Oct. 5, 2019, 3:26 p.m.            


45 still plays the blame game for the cesspool he created for himself.





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                By metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 6:38 p.m.            


Since this is about Trump battling to lower drug prices for all Americans(and you are bashing him on this position), I assume that, now you are for high drug prices to continue too?


We already knew that you constantly bash  President Trump over his pro ethanol policies-because its Trump- and are for the party of the Green New Deal and no more corn ethanol.  Very, very odd for a farmer.


I didn't see anything from you about this today:

Trump sides with farmers in ethanol proposal, angering oil industry

10/04/19 12:11 PM EDT


As you bash the president over his climate position, we continue to have the best climate/weather to grow crops in the last 1,000 years and the best CO2 levels to grow crops since humans have existed.

Instead of believing what your eyes/observations, yields and bank account tell you.......since you hate Trump so much..........you would rather believe in this:


               Greta Thunberg            



The reason that I let you go overboard(breaking the rules that I set at the top of this thread on your neurotic  Trump bashing-you had 4 of them in 1 day, yesterday.......is so that I can expose your crap that you choose to pollute our MarketForum with.........as your positive contributions have dwindled to almost nothing to offset the crap.

But I will offset it with facts and truth. 

Speaking of which, you continue to overlook the lack of truth(make that blatant, intentional lying) from your go to democratic and MSM sources on this latest witch hunt:


By GunterK - Oct. 5, 2019, 10:02 p.m.
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63 replies to the original post. Is this a record?

By JP - Oct. 5, 2019, 10:20 p.m.
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63 replies to the original post. Is this a record?

That might be one way of describing it.

By metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 11:04 p.m.
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I believe its a record or close to it. Now up to 65 posts.

We've had other topics, like Hurricane Michael last year and its effect on the cotton crop that we started a new thread for because the posts were so massive(along with tons of graphs) that it required some serious scrolling down the page to get to the latest post, so we started a new thread. 

We really don't want to have this many posts in a thread. It's especially challenging on an Ipad or phone to scroll down thru that many posts to get to the latest ones.

If you want to view the old Trump bashing posts(I just realized that this latest one was 6 weeks old-that's too long) go here:

                New Trump Criticizing/bashing Thread for cliff-e(and others)            

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                                            Started by metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:16 p.m.            


Here is the previous one:

                Trump bashing thread for cliff-e            

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                              Started by metmike - Aug. 5, 2019, 1:35 a.m.            


By WxFollower - Oct. 5, 2019, 11:23 p.m.
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Mike said: 

"Cliff has been a busy boy trolling and bashing Trump at MarketForum recently. The previous thread was up to 60 posts!!

 Though almost all of it is rubbish, I realize, as a scientist that he is allowing us(me) to peer into the mind of a neurotic/obsessive Trump hater in a way that would otherwise not be possible......after mojo had to be banned(mojo was using obscenities,  name calling and personal attacks with his Trump trolling/bashing).

So, for the time being, we will start a new Trump bashing thread. And pick up from where we left off in the last one, with my last response to let cliff and others know where I'm coming from, despite allowing this rubbish here. 

Also, as a warning to cliff from the last thread allowing this. You were supposed to be limited to one bash/troll thread a day and are supposed to be contributing something other than just this rubbish. I will not be a stickler for the exact limit but 4 a day, like yesterday is probably not going to last very long.

Also, if others are offended by this, please let me know. "


 Mike, I'm not offended since these aren't my posts to which you're referring, but I'm definitely disappointed that you're characterizing Cliff's anti-Trump posts differently from the many pro-Trump posts of others. As the moderator, I would have expected you to talk about his posts more even handedly vs the numerous pro-Trump posts instead of what I think is you letting your pro-Trump bias control your description of his posts. Would you prefer the political part of this forum become all pro-Trump? Not only would that make it one sided, but also it would make it boring since that would shut off debate.

 Whether you believe it or not, there have been and still are a lot of questionable things regarding your guy in addition to him being a meanie/jackass, regardless of Mueller not finding that he colluded with Russia. Not everyone sees him the way you do. Trump is a despicable human being imo and I don't trust him one iota. The odds are thankfully increasing that he will not be reelected in 2020. And as he goes down, he tries to drag others down. That in itself is flat out disgusting!! He flat out asked a foreign country, and a non-ally, communist one at that, to investigate a political rival. That's clearly wrong in my eyes. 

 I don't expect you to ever change with regard to support for him. If you haven't done it by now, I doubt you ever will as your mind id made up. That's not the point of this post as you are obviously fully entitled to your opinion as much as I disagree. The point of it is my feeling that you're letting your pro-Trump feelings influence your moderation.

 In protest, I'm thinking about taking a hiatus from posting at this entire forum.

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 12:16 a.m.
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 "In protest, I'm thinking about taking a hiatus from posting at this entire forum."


That would make me extraordinarily sad.........if you decided not to post here for this reason. 

With regards to me taking a pro Trump position. I take a defending Trump position when the facts justify that. Since Trump is being relentlessly attacked, in many cases by sources that are using unethical tactics(one only needs to say "Mueller investigation as a quintessential example)............what position should I have?

You are very analytical and capable of seeing the difference between facts, opinions, emotions and bias.

I sincerely hope that you will use that and the fact that we are friends to  show me specifically all the times that I state things that were opinions that were not based on facts(that I provided almost always) with regards to this issue..

I  have great respect for you and hope that you will do this so I can address it vs being irate enough to threaten to  leave over it. 

Also, this is an open forum where everybody's opinion counts the same(I realize that as forum moderator, my opinion might count more in some minds.........(please don't think that way)

If you think that an opinion of mine or somebody else's is wrong, you should speak up and tell us why and provide evidence. You are extremely intelligent and have great communications skills.

What you are overlooking is the fact that I WANT more intelligent thoughtful criticism of Trump. 

The orginal thread was changed to this(from bashing) at joj's request. Unfortunately I couldn't get you, joj or anybody else to participate.........only cliff. So after numerous consecutive days of nothing but cliff's Trump bashing/trolling, I changed it back to the appropriate title of what what you guys made it. cliff's Trump bashing thread.


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                By joj - Sept. 9, 2019, 6:06 a.m.            


I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Bashing suggests wild and out of control.  Bashing suggests emotional and unfounded.

As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E....


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                By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 10:39 a.m.            


"I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Agreed, thanks.

Changed it for you.



I left it like that for several weeks and only cliff responded with his usual stuff. I want to make this forum a place where you can communicate your thoughts on anything but please help me to do this by participating more. 

If you feel that the other side is not getting the same amount of posting power, the way to increase that sides posting power is to not threaten to leave.........(which does the opposite) but instead,  be a person who makes powerful posts about things that you think are underrepresented here.

Do you really want cliff's cut and paste trolling to almost exclusively represent one sides opinions on Trump?

Please give us some thoughtful Trump critiques instead of leaving because you think I'm not doing it right. 

When Obama gets bashed unfairly, I defend him too.



By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 12:18 a.m.
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I have explained my position on Trump several times here. Maybe you forgot or missed it. This is one thread that had it in a response to pj during a great conversation:


       By metmike - Sept. 7, 2019, 5:43 p.m.            


Do you think that the Russia investigation and reporting was fair to Trump?

  "Certainly not completely, though I don't think it was as unfair as you do. That said, wouldn't put it past Trump to do anything, no matter how unscrupulous, if he thought it would help him win. And, there is something very odd about his bromance with Putin."

Thanks for all the answers pj!

I've always considered you very neutral and objective on almost everything, especially climate change where you have some good critical thinking and understanding in science.

Your comments above confirm my previous thoughts on how people perceive Trump and why they accept abuses of him that would NEVER have been tolerated of previous presidents. 

No matter what the accusation, evidence or not, people think "It's unscrupulous Trump, he could have done it, whatever they do to him is justified"

The oddest thing about his "bromance" with Putin is how its been portrayed by the media since they started the Trump-Russia Collusion narrative being used to explain his win and to vilify him.

Trump has strange, never before occurring relationships with all sorts of leaders.

N.Korea went from a mortal enemy to best friend. China, Iran, Russia, Finland, France.

During the 2+ years of convincing people that Trump colluded with Russia this was imparted in their brains. As you know better than most, once somebody believes something, even if its false, its almost impossible to get them to believe the truth.

This will be seen as defending Trump by some but its  nothing more than objective truths. I stated this recently after being wrongly accused of bashing Obama(it never happened but people assume that anybody that defends Trump must also be an Obama hater because they can't connect with objectivity and open mindedness in todays world.

"I think that Obama has a good heart and was a gifted charismatic communicator. His policies on health care and other issues were sincerely intended to help the poor. He  promoted peace with the Muslim world. His position on gun violence/control also had the best interest in heart. He was very charitable with US assistance of  money/donations/resources to poor countries. "


I personally have a great dislike for Donald Trump, the man. If I could rank him as a human being on a scale of 1-10, he would be around a 2-3(keep in mind that rapists and pedophiles exist and he's not that low).

Why do I support his agenda and unfair attacks on him?


1. His policies/platform are not him.  I'm well aware that reputation and our relationship with other countries is big but the rest of the world is trying to screw us over royal with the climate accord(we commit many billions and cut fossil fuels to do nothing for the climate........which is a climate optimum anyway.)

2. When I read scientific papers/studies/research results, I would never care about the scientists that did the work. If their work has value/knowledge/understanding and represents truth, who cares about anything else. ............for me at least. Almost no people will vote for president with the mind of a scientist(too bad) They will vote because they like Trump(or don't hate him so much that they can see his agenda) or because they hate his guts and vote for the other person.

3. What almost nobody realizes right now is that the objective around the world and in the US is global socialism via the UN, I'm 100% certain and I show the facts here: 


I'm 95-98% sure that it is coming, no matter what we do and Trump is the only thing in the way at the moment. pj, you can't connect with the extreme ideas of the dems but think about it, of all the ones running, how many represent the moderate dems of old(that I voted for and maybe you did too)?

Answer: ZERO

With that large number and all of them being extreme(by our standards) ....they have even forced Biden to morph far left because he knows that is the only way to win, because he knows that's where the Dem party is going. On what planet does anybody think that dems will suddenly become more moderate? With ever year that goes by, it the complete opposite........more extreme because the younger generation has been indoctrinated with this belief system. Us older people, like every other time in history with whatever ideas we have/had will be replaced and we are just getting a glimpse of what is to come with the new generation based on the Dems running right now.

In the transition, like every other tine in history, the old system and people defending it will be in complete denial that the new system is coming(funny that I get called the climate denier). In real time, as plays out, it only becomes obvious to the deniars after their old way has been obliterated beyond hope. People are creatures of hope(which is good) and will deny realities past the point of logic.

This applies to climate change policies too. Though I battle for truth and authentic climate science, my power to enlighten people that a climate optimum is being twisted into a climate emergency for global and US socialism  is a drop in the bucket compared to the billions of people on the planet against me.


Yes, many billions of people. The vast majority of people and countries on this planet are poor. Of course they are all signed up for the climate accord. They get everything(money) and it includes China/India who can emit as much CO2 as they want...part  of the deal. 

The not so numerous rich countries are led by increasingly very liberal politicians also on board with this belief system. Trump is an outlier/aberration that can't be sustained-no way- when almost the entire rest of the world is against his nationalism  and the dems/MSM are winning the battle to defeat him.

Nobody is viewing the big picture because they only see this as a hate Trump or support Trump issue. 

With regards to global socialism. I am very strongly in favor of the more equitable distribution of resources that this represents. The US consumes way too much and there are way too many very poor people suffering that would have massive improvements in the quality of their lives if we would give more of what we had to them.

I am for a plan to do that but not perpetrated with fraud to trick people..........hijacking climate science, rewriting climate history and lying about the climate optimum and the climate accord. Climate science will take many decades to recover, if ever from this intentional dumbing down of people for a political agenda.

One can ask "if they didn't do it this way, could the same thing be accomplished by being transparent and not pretending this was a "save the planet" endeavor?

Answer, no!

At least not this fast. Using the truth, it might take many more decades. Scaring people into thinking we need theese actions right now because of the climate emergency is the only way to accelerate the time frame.

The sad thing is that the ability of the gatekeepers  to indoctrinate/brainwash people on a global scale like this will not just end with this  major accomplishment. It defines the new order.  People clearly will not do the homework needed in their busy lives to verify what they are hearing is actually the truth.  "Their" truth is what they hear and see repeated over and over on the MSM or by world governments. We have lost our ability to do the critical thinking that was used in the past because we HAD to use that to figure things out for ourselves. Now we are cerebrally lazy and rely on the MSN and news sources to tell us the facts because thats their job.

The power of electronics has created a globally connected monstrosity of a propaganda machine that bombards billions of people into a cult of the brainwashed, maximizing the technology to impose a belief system(s) around the planet.

It's already happened with the climate crisis(emergency).  Profound changes because of it are right around the corner.

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 12:23 a.m.
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I would very much miss your wonderful weather and market posts more than anything. There is nobody better at assessing the natural gas market or helping us follow tropical systems. 

I understand if you don't want to make Trump criticism posts to help represent a side that is under represented here but please don't quit over that and give up on all the other good stuff.

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 1:27 a.m.
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I want you to think about something very seriously. Pleaseread this thru. 

Wayne brought up something that Rush L. said last week. I never liked or listened to him because he's so divisive/extreme but he claims that we are having a cold Civil War right now(I contended that he is part of the reason).

After thinking about this more, he is 100% correct.

For sure Trump is the most divisive president in history and is partly responsible. For sure the MSM, being controlled by progressive activists, along with the democrats that don't just disagree with Trump but hate him and want to destroy him are responsible for the rest of it..............the perfect storm for this civil war.

The top news story, almost every day is the latest  on Trump ............and on most MSM stations, it's negative to extremely negative and blatantly biased(this is not defending Trumps actions, which are sometimes horrible, its reporting the OVER reaction intended to get us to hate Trump) The MSM is a for profit business and this is causing block buster ratings.

And what has happened to the many millions of Americans as a result of this battle is exactly why its a civil war. Our emotions over how we feel about Trump have become so overwhelming that it's destroying us. Controlling our emotions to the point of it negatively affecting decisions that should have nothing to do with Trump. Destroying long lived, previously solid relationships because our friend or family member is a Trump supporter or Trump hater.

Online, it has resulted in constant, intense, hateful exchanges between people that could ordinarily be civil to each other. It's not the exception at all any more. It rules over peoples thoughts to where they are obsessed with it(note my many, many, many analytical "epistles" as Alex would call them, on this here-more than what is reasonable). I  have mentioned that I'm really spending too much time on it.

You are ready to let your feelings about President Trump, wreck a friendship going back over a decade but especially enjoyable(at least for me) that last 1.5 years while being MarketForum moderator. 

We share a great deal with our love for weather, markets and other things . Donald Trump has nothing to do with that but you will let Donald Trump take that away from you/us?

You are saying that your dislike for Donald Trump is more important than our friendship. Sorry to put it bluntly but you and many millions of others in America have decided the same thing. Not just sort of feeling that way but to the point of it being a friendship breaker/cold civil war right now between the Trump supporters and Trump haters.......that is tearing our country apart.  

I can't stop you from leaving here but please at least think about these points in this latest epistle.  I hope that it provokes a revelation for you on viewing what's more important to you than whether others have the same Trump view that you do.

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By WxFollower - Oct. 6, 2019, 1:30 a.m.
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Hey Mike,

 Thanks for the nice words. And I know moderating is not easy and the pay isn’t good. ;)

 To clarify, I was thinking about just taking a hiatus (probably not that long) from posting rather than stopping posting for good. I enjoy posting on the TR side too much to stop for good there.

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 2:12 a.m.
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Thanks for responding so quickly. 

I like moderating too much, as it takes up more time than I should be spending doing it. 

On something like this, if I didn't enjoy it and complained and don't make money on it, then it would be like "then metmike has a screw loose to keep being moderator"

Actually, I believe it to be an path to enlightening people about realms that I research extensively which others don't have the time or expertise to do it and so  they end up using unreliable sources that give out fake news/bad information.

On your break from the forum, that's what I thought you had done already as I missed your natural gas and weather comments a great deal recently.

Please don't feel obligated or pressured to post or to stay or to come back after X amount of time because you feel guilty. Whatever the reason, it's completely acceptable and I'm the only one that should feel obligated to  be here as moderator.

With one exception. Please don't allow your feelings for Trump or what you think my feelings are or should be for Trump, play and role in that decision.

By cliff-e - Oct. 6, 2019, 6:30 a.m.
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Wow. Since this series of Trump criticizing threads (now up to 3) were created by the Moderator 63 days ago on Aug. 5 there have been 129 posts (including this one) on the subject. That's quite an accomplishment considering it's a subject Cult 45 would rather see go away. It is a sign that there's much more to tell and expose and to remind ourselves of. Since 45 tweets and screams his way into the news on what seems like an hourly basis I suspect there'll be much more to expose on this and other social media platforms.

Btw I wouldn't care to be a moderator...it'd be like being a bouncer at a bar in the roughest part of town but as the old saying goes "Be careful what you ask for 'cause you might just get your wish". ;~)

By mcfarm - Oct. 6, 2019, 11:26 a.m.
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totally agree cliff...much more to expose. Have you noticed this China/biden deal......not much to see and you are probably glad we finally have a leader of the executive branch whose job it is to find and fight corruption. Seems then President Obama appointed biden in charge of policy in 2 countries, china and Ukraine. Strange coincidence his son was given over 1,5 billion to invest from china {with no investment experience} and 60K /mo from Ukraine for gas and oil advice with no previous experience. So, Cliff, what do you suppose the son of the VP was paid for? Aren't you glad we are finally looking into this corruption? Why wasn't it done years ago? Why wouldn't you want corruption investigated? Does Trump have to do everything himself because the dems sure are not helping?

By cliff-e - Oct. 6, 2019, 1:07 p.m.
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I too am in favor of looking into corruption.

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By cliff-e - Oct. 7, 2019, 7:58 a.m.
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By mcfarm - Oct. 7, 2019, 10:19 a.m.
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real simple cliff...so called whistleblowers that have no first hand knowledge are what we in fly over country call swamp creatures, Unelected bureaucrats that don't like an elected President's policy. They should be going to trial for treason.

By metmike - Oct. 7, 2019, 11:19 a.m.
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From your link:

"2nd whistleblower comes forward after speaking with IG: Attorney"

How is this stilll a "whistleblower?  Everybody on the planet knows about this...........and we've even seen the transcript.  The whistleblower program is set up to provide cover to people who are tipping off investigators  about a situation that was not known so they can look at the complaint and decide whether to open an investigation.  

Since there is a huge investigation already going on, there can't be more" whistle blowers" based on the definition of a whistle blower. New people can come forward and act as witnesses (which is what this is) but it's too late to have new whistleblowers coming forward......................unless you are clearly abusing that term for political reasons. 

Who doesn't already know about this?

Even the transcript of the phone call has been out there for the world to see.

Since the first whistle blower did not have first hand knowledge and that was being used to make them look less credible, this, new first hand witness(who is a witness for the investigation) has suddenly  come forward and instead of calling them what they are..............a witness in the investigation, they are calling them a whistle blower with FIRST HAND knowledge.

They should have used this new person FIRST as the whistle blower if they wanted them to be the whistle blower or even at the same time. You can't go back and do it over, after you realized that oversight.

We should also note that corrupt Adam Schiff had the whistle blower complaint way back in August and lied about it, saying he didn't have it............and contending that the delay of him getting it(when he had it) was part the cover up attempt by Trump............who actually released the transcrip of the call immediately upon request.

By cliff-e - Oct. 7, 2019, 8:39 p.m.
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45 found someone else to blame for his "perfect?" phone call. Perhaps Perry will add his name to the Whistleblower list that will continue to grow.


By metmike - Oct. 7, 2019, 8:51 p.m.
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I had started a new thread with this post but will help you to generate numbers under your favorite topic and this is a good place for it, as the "go to thread"on the latest (-:

2nd whistleblower comes forward after speaking with IG: Attorney


metmike: What's interesting is that the first whistleblower did not have first hand knowledge and the 2nd one does. Interesting, because it appears that the source of the information for the first whistleblower was the 2nd whistleblower.

Doing it this way, using a feedback loop, allows there to be 2 separate complaints and whistleblowers, with the 2nd one appearing to be even more credible vs just having this latest person, the 2nd whistleblower that had to exist from the get go(or the first whistleblower would not have had anything to go on), come forward with the whistle blower complaint from the get go.

Same information but its being stretched to appear as if we are getting new information from multiple sources. 

By using the whistleblower protection plan,  this means they keep their identities secret, which allows them to do it this way without others being able to learn information about them that would show that this is exactly what they did.

Pretty dang clever. 

We must keep their identities secret of course because they are fearful for their safety because of what President Trump might do to them.

As if, that would not be exactly what the dems would want. After Trump found out who it is, something really bad happened to that person. Perfect ammo to use against him. 

Amazing times we live in. Fascinating. 

By cliff-e - Oct. 10, 2019, 4:48 p.m.
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By metmike - Oct. 10, 2019, 6:27 p.m.
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You've been under-performing as our Trump trollster. You even allowed Gunter to scoop you on that last link:


By cliff-e - Oct. 10, 2019, 9:09 p.m.
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45 and disPenceable are in Mpls. tonight were told to pay in advance the half million dollar security bill. Will see if that ever happened.

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By cliff-e - Oct. 14, 2019, 8:27 p.m.
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Movie night at "Le Club Cult 45" and the violent bloodthirsty crowd just eats it up. :~/


By metmike - Oct. 14, 2019, 11:10 p.m.
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Thanks cliff,

There are several interesting elements to this.

One of which is the attempt to connect this to Trump as is always the case, when a Trump supporter does a bad thing..........Trump is responsible.

White House: President Trump 'Condemns' Violent Video Played at Free Speech Conference at His Miami Resort


Trump ‘strongly condemns’ doctored video showing him killing news media outlets and political foes, press secretary says

Published Mon, Oct 14 201912:44 PM EDT


Of course CNN is calling Trump out on this. Blaming him and his lack of more emphatically condemning the video.


Baldwin on Trump video: There is so much more to this

By cliff-e - Oct. 15, 2019, 7:15 a.m.
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