the link below sheds a different light on the Kurds and the Syria withdrawal, than the frenzied disapproval of the MSMs.
Thanks Gunter!
All wonderful, objective points based on common sense, facts and history.
How many times have we been told in the past by the war mongering republicans, industrial military complex and swamp about how absolutely vital our interests are at location, A,B, C, D for reasons, W,X, Y and Z and almost every time we got bamboozled with propoganda and most of the time, made things worse and every time used up US resources, including lives and health of brave soldiers?
Here we go again but this time is different. Because it's Trump's decision, the dems and MSM have reversed their position of decades and now want US troops risking their lives in the Middle East.
The US can't police the entire world and there are dozens of other wars and conflicts where bad ombre's need to be confronted and/or taken out by US forces.
Ongoing armed conflicts in September 2019.
Major wars, 10,000 or more deaths in current or past year-dark red
Wars, 1,000–9,999 deaths in current or past year-bright red
Minor conflicts, 100–999 deaths in current or past year-dark orange
Skirmishes and clashes, fewer than 100 deaths in current or past year- light orange
There's only one thing that we can control with regards to all of these armed conflicts. ......How many US soldiers are killed.
If we aren't there........US families don't have to have funerals for their sons, husbands and dads that are sent back home in body bags.
"As new wars and civil unrests seem to be flaring up every week, we look for the only countries in the world that could be considered ‘conflict-free’"
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Click on a red circle to see more about the conflict
EDIT OCT 16th: This is what you get from that map if you hit the red button on Syria:
Civil war between forces allied with President Bashar al-Assad and a variety of rebel groups. Overlapping conflict with so-called Islamic State.
2011
Around 470,000
metmike: Go ahead and pick out the wars and conflicts that you think our soldiers should be dying in.........tell us also, what conflicts that we should not be in and why.
What's that? You don't know much about almost all of these other conflicts..........only the information that the gatekeepers(MSM, politicians, war mongering military industrial complex/leaders) are telling you. Yeah, that's called propaganda.
It was used to justify all the other unjustifiable wars and conflicts too.
By Elaine K. Howley, Contributor June 28, 2019
https://health.usnews.com/conditions/mental-health/ptsd/articles/ptsd-veterans-statistics
metmike: These are real human beings who's lives are being taken away or messed up. They aren't just pawns or pieces on a chess board to be used in a strategy to defeat the evil forces for a declared critical objective(determined by politicians or military authorities).
Generals in the army did not make that rank by tactically avoiding conflicts and advocating peace their entire lives.
Of course they want confrontations to defeat the evil in the world.......that's who they are and why they made general.
Incredibly, the day after these posts above, our city was graced with the presence of this wonderful human being:
EVANSVILLE, Ind. (WEHT) – You may have seen a man in bright orange pushing a cart on highway 62 in Mt. Vernon or even in Evansville today.
"This is not just any man, he is an American hero who fought for our country and his name is Staff Sergent Vann Booth. He is a retired 20-year veteran who made it through 2 tours in Iraq.
Staff Sergent Booth is walking across America from coast to coast in an effort to bring awareness to PTSD.
Each day, 22 veterans commit suicide because of PTSD and Booth, who suffers from it himself, says that is unacceptable."
metmike: Where is the environment where brave American soldiers acquire this life altering ailment and even more sadly, commit suicide because of it?
Middle East conflicts are #1 for the past 2 decades.
These are not pawns in a chess game strategy that can just be used and discarded every time we have a conflict in the Middle East.
They shouldn't be pawns used in a political battle to support the never ending conflicts in the Middle East that have gone on for 6 decades and will probably continue for another 6 decades.. Too many Americans have already died, been injured and suffered PTSD from too many conflicts that the US should never have been in and should stay out of.
War Pigs from Black Sabbath............awesome guitars!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG0Ws3YfONY
These are real human beings. Ask the parents, spouse or children how real it was to them when their loved one was killed. Just a statistic to you, me and those that insist we should be over there. They can replaced by the next soldier, and next soldier and next soldier.
The United States has approximately 1.3 million active-duty troops, with another 865,000 in reserve, one of the largest fighting forces of any country.
You can't replace a dad or son like you can a soldier, so we better have a damn good reason to be over there since parents, children and spouses are who we are sending.
The article implies that the choice was going to war or not going to war. What garbage!
We lost less than 10 soldiers in that deployment over the past 5 years. Kurds had lost 11,000.
Trump set off a trip wire (and maybe even gave the wink to Turkey). He did it recklessly and without alerting our allies or the US military. He started a fire and he knows it.
Kurds are now turning to Iran for an alliance.
Trump doesn't listen to anyone and "goes with his gut". God help us.
He doesn't listen to Mattis and is now vilifying him.
Now he's melting down and vilifying the Kurds (no surprise there).
This is what happens when you elect an infantile, emotional narcissist.
The problem will NOT even be erased if he were to lose in 2020. The world looks at our country (and it's voters) and asks, ... "If they elect a guy like this, perhaps we should think twice about allying ourselves the the US."
Thanks joj!
joj:" What garbage! We lost less than 10 soldiers in that deployment over the past 5 years. Kurds had lost 11,000."
1. You can't paint this as US forces being physically important to the fight but then site a fact that shows how tiny and insignificant they are. Which is it? What is the number of lives that you feel should be sacrificed in this latest conflict?
joj: Trump set off a trip wire (and maybe even gave the wink to Turkey). He did it recklessly and without alerting our allies or the US military. He started a fire and he knows it
2. Dugh, of course he did. Look at the resistance he is getting.........but this is exactly what he said he would do.........it clearly defined his agenda/platform. This is absolutely consistent with Trump all along (pulling out of Afghanistan, avoided military conflict with Iran after they bombed Saudi Arabia and during previous potential conflicts)
joj: Trump doesn't listen to anyone and "goes with his gut". God help us.
3. No, he listens to the American people that voted for him based on his agenda/platform........this is what he promised Americans. Regardless of how you see this........ I was for this before Trump was president am now and will always be for it, so if this defines "goes with his gut" which is clearly against alot of people(and is getting him attacked)...which he also did on the Climate Accord to......then I admire him for doing the right thing. What you see here as a huge negative is an ultra positive for me.
joj: He doesn't listen to Mattis and is now vilifying him.
4. Generals in the military didn't get to be generals by promoting peace. They are military battle strategists/experts and war mongers. I admire him for not listening to a war monger and going against his own party.
joj: This is what happens when you elect an infantile, emotional narcissist.
5. I agree that Trump is a huge narcissist but have taken my emotions out when viewing this. 30 years ago, I would have intensely hated Trump. Trump does act very infantile when he resorts to name calling..........so why do you do it so often joj, if it's exactly this behavior of Trump's that you detest?
joj: The problem will NOT even be erased if he were to lose in 2020. The world looks at our country (and it's voters) and asks, ... "If they elect a guy like this, perhaps we should think twice about allying ourselves the the US."
6. Trump ran on putting the interests and lives of US citizens ahead of the rest of the world. The Climate Accord for instance, is based on taking tens of billions from the US and giving it to the rest of the world......... and making fossil fuel/CO2/energy pledges that would obliterate our economy. The rest of the world would love that. Personally, I would strongly prefer that we were more generous with humanitarian aid to poor countries(because Americans have much more than they need) than what Trump is doing but he is following thru with everything he promised and got elected for.
I have always agreed with you on him having the worst tempermant of any president in history but I don't completely judge a persons ability to do the job they were voted to do based on tempermant or personality or emotions(hate) that can block out our ability to see objective facts.
Trump is clearly an easy guy to hate and I wish it were anybody else but him doing the exact same job but, unfortunately, there isn't 1 other person on the planet that would be doing the actual job...doing so many things this well............ regarding policy/agenda
Unless you know of another person that, if they were president would have
1. pulled us out of the fraudulent climate accord,
2. pulled us out of long lived wasteful Middle East conflicts
3. pushed this hard to enforce legal immigration
4. got the economy roaring on all cylinders
5. renegotiated many bad trade deals
6. is in the process of confronting China on the worst trade deal of all
7. is pro life and
8. appointed Constitutionally sound judges to the Supreme Court.
9. Helped the US to increase energy production so we are now energy independent
10. Is working hard to lower drug prices.
Just to name a few key areas.
There is only one but I will give you the opportunity to tell me what other person as president would have done even half of those things?
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Just to emphasize something again.
Earlier this month, he had a couple of rally's, I know that one was in Minnesota.
I have never really watched his rally's but watched for a few minutes on FOX. I couldn't stand it for longer than that. I really can't stand the guy as a person, the way he communicates, the meanness, name calling and all the other negative character traits.
But I minimize the weighting of this when discussing dynamics that are not related to his personality flaws.
You know what's worse than the behavior of Trump at his rallys? The behavior of the dem protestors outside his rallys.
A very notable factor that seems to be missing from the discussion is that Turkey is a long time ally of the US. There are US bases in Turkey with nuclear weapons. Back in the 70's, I actually trained alongside some Turkish nationals. Aside from the interesting dynamics this adds, what happened to the left's repeated cries over how Trump has alienated our allies? It appears to be as "conditional"as most of their other charges.
1. pulled us out of the fraudulent climate accord, (hates Obama)
2. pulled us out of long lived wasteful Middle East conflicts (created mayhem where it had been stable)
3. pushed this hard to enforce legal immigration (Cruel to children in the process)
4. got the economy roaring on all cylinders (had been growing for 8 years already)
5. renegotiated many bad trade deals (Pulling out of TPP was a big mistake and he did it because he hates Obama)
6. is in the process of confronting China on the worst trade deal of all (I agree with you on this one)
7. is pro life and (Keep your hands off of a woman's body)
8. appointed Constitutionally sound judges to the Supreme Court. (I disagree with you)
9. Helped the US to increase energy production so we are now energy independent (We became independent under Obama)
10. Is working hard to lower drug prices. (Government managed socialism won't work, but good luck)
So my point/question was this:
metmike: There is only one but I will give you the opportunity to tell me what other person as president would have done even half of those things?
I assume that you must agree with me on that. Giving reasons, like for why he pulled out of the fraudulent climate accord as: (hates Obama) is bonkers.
It would be like........if we were having a drought and my lawn was burning up. I decided to irrigate with 2 inches of water to green my lawn up. Then, you tell me.........It didn't rain 2 inches and the only reason that you did that was because you hate droughts!"
OK, so I hate droughts but the reason that I soaked my lawn with 2 inches of water is because I like green lawns and my lawn needed water. What matters is that I acted in the best interest of my lawn, regardless of my feelings for drought.
So after I do this, joj drives by my property and exclaims: "Look at that green lawn, this guy must really hate droughts!"
This goes back again to your dwelling on that emotion hate joj. It's showing up in all of your posts that have to do with Trump.....whether the actual word is used or the expression of it thru the credibility hurting use of childish name calling. .....which I know is far beneath your usual standards when posting non political stuff.
I'm sorry if I am addressing that word hate again in a post to you joj but my existence here will only continue when it allows me to confront hate in responses to me. I am about love and making the world a better place with authentic information.
I made that pretty clear previously. Again, this is not a warning or telling you anything was wrong with your responses(its how you feel)............just being transparent on where I'm coming from.
Thanks