Justice Department Opens Criminal Investigation Into Russia Probe
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Started by metmike - Oct. 24, 2019, 9:28 p.m.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justice-department-criminal-investigation-mueller-russia_n_5db23e40e4b0a89374021ad3

What had been Attorney General William Barr’s administrative review of the origins of the Russia investigation has become a criminal inquiry, The NY Times says.


metmike: And the MSM has decided already(before one iota of evidence has been presented) that it knows why this is being done(by a corrupt Barr that Trump is using to attack his enemies) and that the saints in the justice department, that answer to nobody could never do any wrong:

 Read it below in their statements:

"Though the Justice Department is meant to be independent, Barr has been seen as someone who tries to win Trump’s favor and do his bidding through the agency he leads."

"Before joining the Trump administration, Barr expressed skepticism about the Russia investigation. 

Earlier this year, Barr wrote a misleading summary of Mueller’s findings and held a news conference on the investigation’s conclusions, characterizing them as favorable to Trump, before the report was released to the public. The attorney general also testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee about his handling of the Russia investigation in which his answers were often combative.

The new criminal inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation will likely lead to the further politicization of the Justice Department."

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By metmike - Oct. 24, 2019, 9:41 p.m.
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NYT: Investigation into Trump-Russia probe said to become criminal inquiry

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-russia-probe-bill-barr-criminal-investigation-969a7215-5da9-4413-b6eb-55af7daa0159.html

"The big picture: The increased power wielded by a criminal investigation into the FBI's probe of possible links between Trump's 2016 campaign and Russia "is likely to raise alarms" that the president is using the DOJ "to go after his perceived enemies," per the Times."


metmike: So an investigation into  likely corruption by the DOJ in the Russia investigation........where Trump was spied on illegally and the DOJ used phony evidence and Trump did nothing wrong are factors that we know with certainty, is being twisted  into the president going after his enemies and Barr being corrupt.

It's true, that Trump wants the DOJ to be investigated. However

1. William Barr has a long lived honorable, ethical career and I find it difficult to believe that he is not doing the right thing.

2. Whether these are Trump's enemies or not........if they broke the law, they shouldn't just get off the hook because of the new rule that seems to have been imposed in Washington ..........In today's politics, going after Trump using lies, slander, smearing and breaking the law and violating rights seems to give you a free pass to do whatever is needed to take him down.........because it's Trump and Americans hate him so much that they are ok with him getting what he deserves ............... or doesn't deserve.

3. Even a mass murderer or terrorist would be given more rights and not treated this way. 

By metmike - Oct. 24, 2019, 10:08 p.m.
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From NBC:

Justice Department review into origins of Russia probe turns into criminal investigation

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/justice-department-review-origins-russia-probe-turns-criminal-investigation-n1071731


Here they go discrediting Barr:


"Barr was criticized after he released a brief account of the Mueller report in March that critics said was inaccurate. Mueller in a letter and phone call said that Barr's four-page description what Barr called the report’s principal conclusions did not fully capture the context and substance of the more than 440-page document."

metmike: This is not true. I read the entire document. Trump committed no crimes and did nothing wrong. How did they expect Barr to summarize that?

"That the administrative review into the origins of the Mueller probe has turned into a criminal investigation could raise alarms that President Donald Trump is using the Justice Department to go after his perceived enemies, the Times reported."

metmike: That's how it will be framed(actually, it's already started).........this is just made up stuff and Trump is going after his enemies.

"Democrats in the House are conducting an impeachment inquiryinto Trump that centers on alleged attempts to pressure the president of Ukraine to announce investigations into what has been described as a conspiracy theory about interference in the 2016 election, as well as into former vice president Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

Critics say that alleged pressure amounts to Trump using withheld foreign aid and the power of the presidency to advance his own political interests, inviting a foreign power to again interfere with the U.S. presidential election."

metmike: So instead of reporting some of the many irregular actions by the DOJ that this investigation is  actually about................they instead refer to this as "a conspiracy theory" and spin it into corruption by Trump to investigate it which is part of the impeachment inquiry.

WOW!

So far, all the MSM sources I looked at are doing the same exact thing..............and there hasn't been one iota of evidence or information from the investigation to base their conclusions on......the criminal part is just starting.


Just like for 2.5 years, during the Mueller investigation, they all had the same wrong conclusions and when the embarrassing testimony by Mueller finally brought an end to the witch hunt that seemed like it would never end..........they just go on to the next investigation, this time with secret hearings and blatant, verifyable lies by the leader of  it.......Adam Schiff.

So we will wait to hear what Barr finds out before making any final conclusions.  It's possible that most of the circumstances can be explained by things that we don't know right now.

By mcfarm - Oct. 25, 2019, 6:22 a.m.
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so it turns out AG Barr may well be America's best last hope in ruling i9n the out of control deep state. And guess who used his best judgment to place Barr there?  Seems Trump has had better judgment than many, many politicians who created the various messes he has to clean up.

By TimNew - Oct. 25, 2019, 8:01 a.m.
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I hope Barr and everyone he has ever known, been at the same function with, been in the same airplane with,been in the same city  with, is squeaky clean, because the investigation will start soon. It's the new norm.

HE MUST BE DISCREDITED!!!!

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 10:07 a.m.
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metmike: As predicted, right on cue, here they come without even seeing 1 iota of evidence or information of what he might have:

Bill Barr's alternate universe "investigation" has a goal: Right-wing authoritarian rule

Barr's "criminal investigation" of the Russia probe is the fruit of a long-running far-right plan to kill democracy

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/25/bill-barrs-alternate-universe-investigation-has-a-goal-right-wing-authoritarian-rule/

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 10:15 a.m.
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From Newsweek:

Criminal Inquiry into Mueller's Russia Probe is 'Deeply Troubling,' Says Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu

https://www.newsweek.com/wiliam-barr-mueller-investigation-russia-ted-lieu-1467692

"Special counselor Mueller indicted 34 individuals and companies, at least eight have been convicted or pled guilty."

What they conveniently neglect is this, which is evidence that this SHOULD BE investigated:

Dershowitz on Stone: Mueller Has Found "Almost No Crimes" That Occurred Before His Appointment

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/01/26/dershowitz_on_stone_mueller_has_found_almost_no_crimes_that_occurred_before_his_appointment.html

This is typical of Mueller. He has found almost no crimes that occurred before he was appointed special counsel. He was appointed special counsel to uncover crimes that had already occurred. He has virtually failed in that respect in every regard. Almost all of his crimes that's he's indicted people for are crimes that resulted from his investigation. False statements, tampering with witnesses, obstruction of justice. I went through today the list of all the people who have been indicted by Mueller and it was very hard to find any American who had been charged with any crime that occurred before Mueller was appointed special counsel.

So what happened here is these are crimes generated by the investigation. It doesn't make them any less criminal, but it really means that there's been a failure to uncover the basic crimes for which he was appointed. Namely, before he was appointed, was there illegal collusion, illegal conspiracy with Russia? We don't find that. In this indictment, he tells stories about alleged collusion, stories about WikiLeaks. But that's not the basis for the indictment. The basis for the indictment are all events that occurred after he was appointed. That's very significant.


By TimNew - Oct. 25, 2019, 10:18 a.m.
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The investigations and allegations are troubling,  but what really bothers me is the number of people who can't seem to see what's actually happening here.

And if it continues with success, one day, these same people will say "How did we ever let this happen?" 

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 10:21 a.m.
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metmike: Many may forget about when the Mueller team was working with CNN near the end of the investigation to manipulate the publics view of the investigation............before the investigation results were released but well after the fact that he knew he had nothing on Trump and was just working on a marketing scheme to sell his corrupt  investigation to the public.

Corrupt?  

How else does one describe intentionally leaking/colluding with CNN, that makes up a silly story about how a CNN reporter has  magical mystery investigation instincts that nobody else on the planet has?

They colluded with the anti Trump tv station..............99.9% chance. Read the evidence at the links below.  I don't make up or fall for conspiracy theories, I state/show facts. 


This is not the work of an honest investigation...........just the opposite. 

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  Nice try Mueller            

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                Started by mojo - March 3, 2019, 8:23 a.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25137/


                By metmike - March 3, 2019, 1:22 p.m.            

            

                            

"On Mueller... He's a professional hired to investigate and is staying on task. He's been very good at case building (finding the pieces of the puzzle) which takes time. Since he shuns publicity we still don't know exactly what he knows"

metmike: "He doesn't always shun publicity cliff. Sometimes, when it suits him, he seeks it out or even manipulates it to his favor...............like when he invited CNN to accompany his FBI while they arrested Stone so that they would play the pro Mueller spin story(as they did for days) on their round the clock destroy Trump station. 

Clearly this was collusion with the political activists at CNN...........and breaking the law. 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/23544/

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/24839/


Since there is nobody investigating the investigator, the investigator can break laws and create crimes with his investigation.............with impunity!!!


This is not a defense of Stone or Trump or anybody being investigated (since I don't have evidence of guilt or innocence) but is based entirely on the observations of Mueller during the investigation."

metmike: You will note that Mueller still ended up getting a free pass by all the other stations for this leak, who are in the business(like I was for 11 years) and had to have known what really happened with the CNN leak but since it was Trump.............they allowed the ludicrous explanation to stand. 

At the time, they were all still positive that the Mueller investigation was going to nail Trump for collusion with Russia and couldn't wait for the release to confirm their biased reporting over the previous 2 years.

People have such short term memories on this, much of which is the result of the MSM getting control by using false narratives, then repeating them over and over for months and thats all people can remember. 

Luckily, MarketForum has actual posts with the irrefutable evidence to show the truth that can be retrieved. 

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 11:02 a.m.
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"The investigations and allegations are troubling,  but what really bothers me is the number of people who can't seem to see what's actually happening here.

And if it continues with success, one day, these same people will say "How did we ever let this happen?" 


The MSM (and the Dems) come up with false narratives and repeat them over and over.

This is right out of the playbook for the hijacking of climate science turning the current climate optimum into a climate crisis which is now a climate emergency.

Ask yourself, "How many people know that we are actually having a climate optimum?


This may sound crazy but you can find all the evidence and truth below.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27794/

If you don't believe it, then ask yourself how crazy it is that now we have a 16 year old abused child, anointed as their climate emergency guru, testifying before US Congress and in front of the world at the UN.

If they had the authentic science..........THEY WOULD SHOW IT! Like I do here.

SInce they don't, they use marketing schemes and busted, exaggerated simulations of extreme, low chance probabilities of global climate models going out 100 years and then point to every weather extreme(that usually has happened before) as evidence.

The planet is massively greening up, not dying. Just that fact by itself should make every person who believes in the crisis..............pause to think about their belief  system.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth




By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 11:25 a.m.
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We are being brainwashed. 

I'm just a scientist that uses objective facts, data and authentic science...........never a conspiracy theorist.

You might know me by another name "DENIER".  That's the name bestowed on people like me by the brainwashers to convince the brainwashed(many are extraordinarily bright people) to NOT look at the authentic science and to just believe in the made up "97% of atmosphereric scientists"  believe this (I'm actually in that 97% the way they calculated the number).

They are just using the same technique here with Bill Barr. Instead of a denier, he is being discredited as a partisan hack, who is attacking Trumps enemies to get revenge for an entirely legit Mueller investigation that did everything by the book.............before a shred of evidence has been presented by him. 

I still had some hope that Mueller was somewhat honest until knowing about his team leaking the Stone bust to CNN, then guide them in setting up their camera/reporter before the arrest(on Stones home surveillance video) to manipulate the press coverage by giving the anti Trump station their scoop to make things look good for his investigation and bad for Stone/Trump. 

The FBI forced every person on the block to get off the street ahead of the bust.........but there they were, telling CNN where the best spot to record video would be.

Ex-KGB on Ideological Subversion: How the UN/IPCC hijacked science/brainwashed the world. Previously warmer. Polar bear hoax. Sept. 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38156/


Climate change, pollution, and the great civilizations of the past: Exactly how climate science was hijacked for the political agenda.    September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39960/


New: Head of Key Meteorological Organization Slams Climate Extremists: Alarmism busted. Arctic life doing great. Climate modeler spills the beans.  September 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39593/

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 3:21 p.m.
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Back to the facts of this legit criminal investigation.

This source sums them up pretty well.

Let me guess, since it was a story from the Washington Times, which has a right/center bias, nobody on the left will believe any of it because its not coming from their MSM sources(people need to get over sources and just apply critical thinking to facts using their own common sense)

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-times/

Justice Dept. probe goes worldwide to examine spies and their Trump targets


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/3/john-durham-probe-goes-worldwide-examine-spies-and/


                                         

"London is where Mr. Steele plied his spy trade at his firm, Orbis Business Intelligence. There, he wrote the infamous anti-Trump dossier based on a flow of information from Kremlin intelligence figures. Mr. Steele funneled the information himself and through middlemen to the FBI, the Justice Department, the White House, the State Department and the liberal news media.

                                          The FBI was so captivated by his work that it used the dossier as evidence to obtain at least one yearlong wiretap on a Trump campaign adviser. The FBI also tried to hire Mr. Steele to investigate the Trump presidency.                                        

A Washington Times analysis showed that not one of Mr. Steele’s 13 conspiracy charges — such as Mr. Trump, as a Russian spy, financed Moscow computer hacking — was substantiated by Mr. Mueller or any congressional probe. Republicans call the dossier a hoax and evidence of Russia’s election interference, compliments of Democrats.

                                          London is also where Mr. Steele delivered his first briefing to the FBI in early July 2016. Still not known is how that briefing influenced agent Peter Strzok, an acknowledged Trump antagonist, in opening the Russia investigation on July 31."

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 3:38 p.m.
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The man that has been leading this review of the evidence so far and responsible for recommending that Barr go ahead with this moving forward to a criminal investigation is John Durham.


Look for him to be trashed and attempts to destroy his credibility starting............any time now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Durham_(lawyer)


William Barr and John Durham.

 Impeccable reputations with decades of service to our country at the highest levels in their profession.............but we will now find out that they are really just partisan traitor, hacks, with no respect for the Constitution or rule of law. Without ethical codes and serving only as puppets of President Trump as he seeks revenge on his enemies and tries to weasel out of his many high crimes, impeachable crimes related to his relationship with the Ukraine.

This, as we should continue to know that Saint Comey, Saint Clapper and Saint Brennan were objective, patriotic Americans just doing their jobs and the justice department/FBI doesn't need oversight because they would never lie(without it being for a good cause). They would never do anything underhanded or against the laws they have sworn to uphold and they don't even vote because they have no party affiliation. All those lies that we got about things in the past,  like wars in the Middle East and Vietnam from the deep state were actually told to us by them because they are infallible, almost God like humans that always know whats best for the United States. 


How dare we investigate them!

By metmike - Oct. 25, 2019, 4:17 p.m.
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Let's hope they share the evidence openly with the American people and don't hide all of it.........with secret hearings that leak out  narratives written to manipulate peoples opinions .............like one group is doing right now. 


By TimNew - Oct. 26, 2019, 8:02 a.m.
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Transparency is is their best interest, unlike, apparently, for the dems.

By TimNew - Oct. 26, 2019, 2:33 p.m.
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Now it appears Jim Baker  will cooperate with the Barr investigation,  and it occurred to me..   Maybe when the left kept gushing about all that stuff that was going to happen during the Mueller investigation, they were right.   They were just early, and looking in the wrong direction...

By mcfarm - Oct. 26, 2019, 3:11 p.m.
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early and the wrong direction, that is a hoot Tim. Remember in the good old days when the msm was not an arm of the dnc and actually go out and report? Wow, generations ago. Seems now the early stages are now in deep question as old witch Hil was getting warnings of Russia as far back as 2015 and Trump was getting set up by Clapper, brennan and comey right at that same time.


By metmike - Oct. 28, 2019, 10:21 p.m.
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The last 2 days tell us of what's to come.......... how the democrats and MSM treated wonderful news that Trump played a key role in by using it to trash him over and over instead of congratulating him or recognizing anything positive on his part.

So if/when Barr and Durham find bad stuff in their legit investigation, we should expect the dems and MSM to trash Barr, Durham and Trump. We knew this already but this last event was so blatant that it seems impossible that they would take Trumps side on anything.........no matter what the circumstances. 


If Trump was attacked by a powerful mugger, who pounded him brutally with their fists, the MSM would want the mugger to file charges against Trump because of the bruises on their hands and blame Trump for having a hard head (-:

No matter how much evidence, how bad it looks or who gets charged(if that happens) in this investigation of the investigators,  we will be told that its all a conspiracy theory with Trump being the mastermind and using his puppets to destroy his political enemies(funny how they will be accusing them of doing exactly what they are doing).