False Flag Operations
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Started by wglassfo - Jan. 18, 2020, 11:49 p.m.

How often do you suppose the USA engages in False Flag Operations

One has to assume many times, most of which we may only guess what happened, many which have reasonably solid evidence

I won't list the possibilities as it would be guess work on my part

However, one possible false flag [if true] that does concern me is the downed civilian air craft in Iran

The thinking is that the USA jammed Iranian defense systems and the civilian transponder on that air craft

It does beg the question as to why a civilian air craft was shot down while so near the take off position, unless the Iranian operator was tricked into thinking it was a hostile

The USA does have the ability to jam radar and mess with transponders. Does that mean a false flag. Of coarse not, but one has to wonder why anybody would think that air craft was a hostile

Obviously Canada will never be able to prove an americian false flag operation, as will no other nation, but I have no doubt the USA would not hestitate at collateral damage to civilians, if Iran can be seen as the villain in world opinion.

This weekend rally in Virgina about gun rights may also involve a false flag operation to make the protestors look aggressive with possible loss of life

The publicity has been muted, so we shall have to wait and see what happens this week end

I am guessing violence will happen

False Flag???

Bet you nobody will know, but the USA does engage in false flag operations, with loss of civilian life

I can't really blame the USA in Iran as the USA did not ask to be the world policeman, but this rally in Virgina does bother me a bit, what with GPS jamming and other developments

Hopefully Virgina will be peaceful

Edit: I think the govenor and state legislature of Virgina is wrong

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By metmike - Jan. 19, 2020, 11:57 a.m.
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On Virginia:

As gun rights rally looms in Virginia, Richmond residents fear another Charlottesville

Many say they'll be staying as far away as possible from the demonstration they worry will turn violent.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-rights-rally-looms-virginia-richmond-residents-fear-another-charlottesville-n1118486

metmike: Since the MSM has been hyping this as being the recipe for violence and the likelihood of a bad outcome because of all the bad people in attendance, it's likely to not turn out that way............but we just have to see. 

If something  bad does happen, even an isolated incident from 1 crazy(there should be plenty of crazies there) it will be used to represent everybody in attendance and represent the position of the crazy.

BTW, I am for strict background checks and allowing those that pass scrutiny to purchase most  guns.


Machine guns.........military grade weapons should be make illegal. There is no reason that a person would need a gun like this to defend themselves.  What? Are you expecting an army of terrorists to break into your house?

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/machine-guns-50-caliber/

Machine Guns & 50 Caliber

By metmike - Jan. 19, 2020, 12:07 p.m.
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On the chance that the US intentionally caused the air plane in Iran to be shot down.

This seems extraordinarily unlikely Wayne. For sure president Trump would NEVER authorize such a thing, though some of the war mongering top level leaders in the military industrial complex/swamp would not have hesitated in the past to do something like this. 

This guy below seems to be out in left field as an outlier with his theories that include the false flag theory you mentioned, which is the only reason that I'm posting the link to his opinions.

My opinion, includes, that we are never told alot of what is really happening and can't know anything for sure. I trust Rand Paul more than anybody else on this issue and believe the less we are involved in the Middle East, the better. We should have learned from decades of completely failed policies over there ...........costing us trillions and thousands of brave, patriotic soldiers lives(that stole away dads, husbands and sons from families and caused PTSD in many more-these are real human beings, not pawns in a chess match)I believe that President Trump continues to want less USA military  involvement in the MIddle East. His last press conference, telling us that he was contacting NATO to get them more involved was a strong message telling us that. 



https://en.mehrnews.com/news/154549/WORLD-WAR-III-Was-Ukrainian-flight-PS752-a-Western-false-flag

WORLD WAR III: Was Ukrainian flight PS752 a Western false flag combining remote hijacking and transponder disabling to trigger two Tor-M1 missiles?

                               

Again, this is not my view.

                
By TimNew - Jan. 19, 2020, 12:13 p.m.
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How about we review some basic civics here.The Bill of Rights are an elaboration of the idea that we have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These rights are not granted by the government, we are born (endowed) with them. The Bill of Rights charges the government with the protection of these rights.In short, it means we have a right to do or say anything we want right up until we infringe on the rights of someone else.

That essentially means no one has the right to decide what I “Need”. I can make as much money as I want, have as big a house as I want, love who I want, worship who I want and even own as many weapons as I want. The list goes on. None of these things infringe on the rights of others.

I can’t tell you how much money you deserve or how big a house you need, who you can love, who you should worship, and I can’t shoot you for reasons other than self-defense.

It’s a relatively simple concept and it’s played a large role in why our form of government has been the most successful in recorded history. Sadly, we are losing sight of it and that will likely bring an end to this successful experiment. 

BTW,  the 2nd amendment is for more than self defense.

By metmike - Jan. 19, 2020, 12:57 p.m.
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Making a billion dollars or owning an excessively large house that you don't need is not a potential threat to others.

Acquiring hand grenades and machine guns is.  Yeah, some guys like to play with big guns and toys that are well beyond what would be needed for self defense.

We can't decide to drive 110 mph on the highway either, without risking lives.......sometimes governmental laws are required to protect us and others.

It  doesn't matter if you are Mario Andretti. For the safety of the public, we have speed laws(I have more speeding tickets than anybody that I know and no accidents and think they should raise the limits but I understand why they have these laws because statistics and the laws of physics tell us why higher speeds are more deadly )


The Physics of a High-Speed Crash: 70 MPH vs. 85 MPH

https://www.wired.com/2011/04/crashing-into-wall/

Here is a plot of accelerations for different starting velocities.

Untitled 4

The faster you go, the worse the acceleration when you crash into that wall (which you totally should not do). 


metmike: Above 28 g's makes it potentially deadly for the person in the car..........though  the air bag is going to cushion that.  This is also based on hitting a brick wall, which would sort of being like hitting a Mac Truck.........it's not going to give that much. 

Regardless, you can see the exponential increase in force that could be applied to the human in the car with increasing speed. 

Speed and the injury risk for different speed levels        

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowledge/speed/speed_is_a_central_issue_in_road_safety/speed_and_the_injury_risk_for_different_speed_levels_en

By metmike - Jan. 19, 2020, 1:09 p.m.
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Tim,

My point on the speed limits are that I don't like them at all and feel that, often they are just fund raising endeavors using the police issuing speeding tickets to otherwise, safe driving motorists..........sometimes in speed traps.


However, the principle's on which they are based are solid, so even though I feel comfortable and safe driving defensively at 90 mph(which I have finally decided to stop doing at almost 64 years old) I must agree with those irrefutable principles that must be applied uniformly in society.

For instance, I believe my driving skills, reaction time and ability to recognize relationships between me and other vehicles is superb( we use the same part of our brains making decisions driving as we do playing chess and I've coached chess for 25 years) but I recognize, based on the hundreds of bone headed, bad decisions I see othr drivers make, that there should be laws uniformly imposed that protect us from them going 85 mph. 


Same with guns.

Almost every machine gun owner is going to operate the gun in a safe manner. But a few people who get machine guns will not. Like 85 mph accidents kill many more people because of the increase in power...............so too with machine guns vs less powered guns. 

By TimNew - Jan. 19, 2020, 1:40 p.m.
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The Autobahn has no speed limits  and a much safer record than our highways. Go figger.

And machine guns  are perfectly safe firearms with 10's of thousands of owners in the US. If they were a problem,  you'd know it. There are far ewer regulations in the public use of cars than there are in the public of machine guns, BTW.

 Can't think of a practical use for a grenade.  certainly not in defense of home invasion.
By metmike - Jan. 19, 2020, 2:28 p.m.
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This is true tim

We also have driving tests and eye tests to make sure that  people have the skills needed to derive.can 

Getting a gun permit should come after people take a course on gun safety.


I have a gun carriers permit for life but don’t take my gun with me, except under the seat in my car. 

In Indiana, we don’t have to take a class to learn how to shoot a gun. I think we have to get a background check.

I’ve had around 12 of them done because of belonging to organizations that serve youth........and would be happy to have them done every year, since this can help spot pediphiles/predators or somebody you don’t want working with children......or owning guns!