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Started by metmike - May 14, 2020, 3:14 p.m.

I am much  less concerned about Biden lying about him knowing more than he claimed(as this headline focus's on) than I am about what actually happened............and how loony it is for one side to continue to want to  prosecute Flynn because he lied about a phone call that he had with the Russian Ambassodor to convince Russia to NOT take excessive actions against the US(a peaceful mission).

The unmasking of Joe Biden


"But none of this matters. A Democratic administration using a secret national security court to investigate the opposing party’s campaign simply does not matter to Democrats in Congress or many in the media anyway. An investigation continuing despite the lack of any credible information supporting collusion does not matter to them either. A president and vice president taking personal interest in surveillance of political opponents? It does not matter.

There was a time when all of this did matter, though. Indeed, there was a time when this would be viewed as the story of the century, including the unmasking of Biden himself in this investigation. But this is not those times. This cannot be a story, you see. Russian collusion was a story and, as Biden stressed, the rest is just a “diversion.” The public however will have to decide who was ultimately unmasked by the Flynn investigation."

By wglassfo - May 14, 2020, 5:15 p.m.
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I am a bit concerned about this Flynn case

 IMHO I think Flynn was doing what he thought was his job to reach out to the world and especially Russia

Trump has been called every thing including a traitor for trying to come to some kind of peaceful terms with Russia. Russia is a nuclear power and to try and have peaceful relations with Russia is in the interests of USA Natn'l security. This is not the cold war where Russia is always bad. Trump has imposed sanctions against Russia, but before all that happened Flynn was actually doing his job. Just because Obama did not like him was no reason to persecute  Flynn. 

It is said that Generals always fight the last war. Flynn was actually looking ahead and trying to lower the threat level, some thing a lot of generals have never learned

Some people in the defense dept [and the public] have to realize the days when the USA had no enemies they could not defeat in a military battle, are over.

China is a rising threat that the USA would be hard pressed to defeat in a military battle. Tanks and air carriers are a thing of the past. That worked during the cold war in Europe before the USSR fell apart, and WW11 but china is not Russia or Germany. The Korean war and Vietnam , which came later, should convince people the USA is not  a power that can't suffer defeat.

Of coarse if any further proof is needed then look to the ME

The USA needs allies, not enemies, and this political bickering, plus an economy in shambles, will only serve to make the USA weaker, over time

A future war with china needs stuff made in the USA. This global supply chain plus a divided country makes me tremble to think of what could happen

I make no secret of the fact that so goes the USA, so does Canada

By metmike - May 14, 2020, 6:44 p.m.
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Wonderful points Wayne. One of your best posts ever.

By all accounts, Flynn was trying to maintain a peaceful relationship with Russia. 

Not 1 iota of evidence that anything corrupt took place. With Mueller investigating this for 2.5 years, with his teams's unlimited investigative powers,  those that claim this, are  delusional.

Here's one of them. Sad that people like this can make a living by making stuff up. Hate is the most destructive human emotion. Hate blinds us to the truth. It lowers our ethical and professional standards. We do and say things that we would never do if hate were not driving our thoughts.

The Secrets Flynn Was Desperate to Conceal


"The former national security adviser’s lies protected himself. But they also protected Trump."


"Russian intelligence services intervened in the 2016 U.S. election to help elect Donald Trump. They intervened in ways that were illegal, and they intervened in ways that were clandestine. In the context of an election decided by 80,000 votes in three states, they intervened in ways that probably were decisive. Altogether, the Russian action to elect Donald Trump in 2016 ranks among the most successful intelligence operations in world history.

President Trump and his supporters dismiss these facts as “the Russia hoax,” but facts they are—facts beyond rational doubt."

metmike: This guy uses words, not authentic facts. Where is 1 fact to substantiate his claim? He say's "facts beyond rational doubt"  Why can't he provide even one of them and why was Mueller using all his resources unable to do so? 

Answer: Because he is WRONG.  These people just won't stop believing this long, long ago busted claim. One of the most intensive investigations in history did not show Russia's attempted influence affected the results of the 2016 election. The American people elected Donald Trump, fair and square, regardless of what Russia did. This is irrefutable.

"Flynn’s lies mattered not because of some technicality about the Logan Act, the ancient and much-disregarded law forbidding private diplomacy. Flynn’s lies mattered because they may have concealed a deal between Trump and Russia over sanctions."

metmike: What deal? This is completely made up. Why isn't it in the Mueller report? Why wasn't it discussed in the phone call that Flynn had with the Russian ambassador that they recorded?

"Flynn’s lies protected Trump and the Trump administration."

metmike: From what? There was no deal. There was nothing to protect Trump from.

"As when the Mueller report was released in spring 2019, Attorney General William Barr has taken it on himself to keep Trump’s secrets buried as deep as he can, for as long as he can."

metmike: He must have conveniently forgotten about last July, when the democrats brought in Mueller to testify and the disastrous results. If there were secrets in the report that Barr is/was hiding, Mueller and others that have seen the full version sure as heck would have spoken out........in fact, they would be screaming bloody murder. They haven't because he is making this up. 

"Flynn’s release by Barr only strengthens the suspicion that back in December 2016, Flynn acted with Trump’s approval. Flynn’s release by Barr only strengthens the suspicion that Flynn and Kislyak were furthering a corrupt arrangement between Trump and Putin. Flynn’s release by Barr only strengthens the suspicion that the corrupt arrangement continues to this day.

Flynn beat the rap. But the rap itself resounds louder than ever."

metmike: There is zero evidence of this. They wire tapped the Flynn phone calls.  Mueller investigated everything for 2.5 years and in fact, realized that there was no substantive evidence of a corrupt arrangement early on in that investigation.  Actually, all the facts contradict this guy's version of why things happened. 

People in the world today are having a tougher and tougher time figuring out whether what they are reading is the truth or not. Many, assume that paid writers must have done their homework/research and must know more than they do(it's their job, after all). Many assume that paid writers are objective professionals.............telling both sides of the news and the complete picture. 

This is an example of that trust being blatantly violated. I'm actually going to send this comment to that magazine. 

By metmike - May 24, 2020, 12:15 a.m.
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