Biden-Warren: Really?
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Started by metmike - May 22, 2020, 12:49 p.m.

Biden-Warren: Really?

From my NYT's morning email update:

There is a long history of bad feelings between Joe Biden’s inner circle and Elizabeth Warren.
She accused Biden of protecting banks rather than ordinary families during debates over bankruptcy legislation in the 1990s. Later, Obama administration officials regularly bad-mouthed Warren for criticizing their response to the financial crisis.
And yet Warren has emerged as a serious candidate to be Biden’s vice president, as Adam Nagourney and Jonathan Martin explain.
To understand why, I think it helps to look at political history. As strange a pair as Biden and Warren might seem, they also might be the ticket that most closely matches successful previous tickets.
When pundits talk about the selection process, they often imagine that a vice-presidential nominee can excite voters from the same state or demographic group. But there is little evidence that’s true.
In 2016, Tim Kaine didn’t seem to help Hillary Clinton win more white men. In 2012, Paul Ryan didn’t help Mitt Romney win Wisconsin, and John Edwards didn’t win North Carolina in 2004 for John Kerry.
Only one strategy has a long track record of success: ticket balancing. Winning presidential candidates have often chosen running mates with obviously different political personas — who shore up weaknesses at the top of a ticket.
Consider: Donald Trump, a divorced reality-television star, chose a religious conservative. Barack Obama and George W. Bush, both worried about seeming inexperienced, chose party elders. Ronald Reagan, who was labeled a radical conservative, chose an establishment figure: George H.W. Bush. (Bush’s harsh earlier criticism of Reagan — for “voodoo economics” — is reminiscent of the Biden-Warren history, Adam Nagourney told me.)
Biden’s biggest weakness among the Democratic coalition is young, progressive voters. And many of them are Warren fans. Stan Greenberg, a top Democratic pollster who has pushed for Warren, recently told the Biden campaign that such voters were “dangerously not” united behind Biden.

Biden has multiple options for vice president (and in future newsletters, I’ll focus on others, like Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar). If anything, though, the candidate who seems most different from him may be the one who’s historically most typical.
For more: The Times story has details on the latest conversations between Biden and Warren. Jamelle Bouie, a Times Opinion columnist, has made a case for Warren as the vice president who could get the most done. And a 2019 Politico story had details on the long-running feud between Obama’s team and Warren .
By metmike - May 22, 2020, 12:58 p.m.
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The Memo: Activists press Biden on VP choice

"Joe Biden’s search for a running mate is heating up — and so too is the pressure on the presumptive Democratic nominee from activists who want to see their ideology and identity reflected in his pick.

Biden has committed to selecting a woman as his running mate — a promise that, if kept, will deliver only the third female vice-presidential candidate in the history of the two major parties.

On Thursday, it emerged that Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) had been asked to submit to vetting by the Biden team, while Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.) also said she is on the shortlist.

Other candidates believed to be under consideration include Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — both of whom, like Klobuchar, ran against Biden for the Democratic nomination.

Other names to watch include Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D), New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D), Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.), former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams (D) and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice.

The case being made for each contender goes far beyond individual strengths and weaknesses, and into demographic and ideological considerations."

By bear - May 22, 2020, 10:59 p.m.
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there are a couple different thought on trying to win an election. 

one is to try to win the middle, and win over people who may be swayed from the other side.  this mindset would say biden should pick a running mate that is a moderate,... someone who can maybe win back some trump voters. 

the other mindset says you need to get the more extreme part of your party to turn out and vote in larger numbers.  people who think this way would want a running mate who is farther to the left, and can get the young far left voter who otherwise may not come out on election day.  

i am not convinced yet that one of these strategies works better than the other a majority of the time.  

By wglassfo - May 22, 2020, 11:51 p.m.
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 Most people agree that Joe is suffering from demetia, and getting worse every time he does a public appearance. The latest example was when the pool reporter was cut off from Joe's remarks to donors on a conference call. It sure smacks of the possibility that Joe's handlers don't trust what he might say. As soon as Joe got done reading his prepared script and before questions and answers were about to start, the pool reporter was cut off. So: If Biden is elected, the image people will see in their own personal thoughts, as they vote Dem. is a strong V.P to make decisions, and Joe will be seen with a pen in his hand signing a bill but not saying or doing very much. This is the 1st time, I can think of, where those thinking about voting Dem will actually be thinking and wondering if the V.P is the person they want to lead the country.

I think the Pubs will try to portray the image of Joe, having lost all sense of reality, going on 4 yrs. from Nov 2020 and getting worse, from Nov 2020. The pubs will be sure to drag up all the things Joe won't have the power to delegate to a V.P according to the law and constitution, nor will he be able to make a rational decision, and worst of all, americian enemies will take advantage of a break down in upper decision making, when seconds count and Joe won't even be able to wake up and focus properly, to do what a president must do.

At least that is how I would attack the Dem choice no matter who it might be, as the president has things only a president can do, and quickly, some times. I am sure the pubs will remind the public about the Hillary boast that she would answer the phone at 3 A:M or something like that

I am sure you can add to what I have laid out as the Pub attack ads in the coming election no matter who the V.P may be. And to make it worse, how will Joe debate Trump in the presidential debates, unless the rules change, some how..

By wglassfo - May 23, 2020, 12:15 a.m.
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If you were looking for a moderate sounding woman when she speaks, is intelligent, makes reasonable sounding arguments for her or Joe's position, is not an old white person, and is telegenic [comes across looking good in front of the TV camera] [if you know what I mean about the TV camera] and has a lot of experience in Washington, then Susan Rice would fit that bill. She does not excite people to extremes but sounds very rational, which is what Joe claims he can do to unite the country and she is the person who can do exactly what Joe wants

Her problem is all the unmasking she is acussed of doing. It would be very easy to fill the TV screen with images of a gov't that can and will destroy any body, with images of people marching in black jack boots, rolling across the screen as the back ground moderator warns of a country that can destroy anybody

This would instill a certain level of fear, of a gov't that Susan could very well be a central part of an uncontrollable gov't which is above the law with no protection for the citizens, as she has been, personally acussed of acting with no regard for the law. 

Or at the very least she would be very vulnerable to such attacks.

Otherwise Susan would seem like a strong V.P to many people. 

By metmike - May 23, 2020, 9:06 a.m.
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Good points Wayne,

After Biden’s latest verbal slip insulted conservative blacks and others one has to believe a black woman VP is just what the doctor ordered.

Women and blacks will be very forgiving if he has the first black woman at his side. Kamela Harris also fits that category.

Actually, the doctor is ordering him to withdraw and let Somebody qualified run for President. If the dems go with Biden, we are going to see him make dozens of gaffs and potentially a disaster in the debates. Everyone knows he’s not qualified and in every other election in history would be crushed with people asking what the dems were thinking.

But the never trumpers hate him so much and are numerous enough and the MSM gatekeepers of news interpretations might be enough to overcome this.

The dems are in the process of vetting potential VP candidates. There might be something in the past of one of them that they find out about which disqualifies a person who appears to be perfect to us.

We know that Susan Rice lied about Benghazi but I doubt that matters or the email to herself repeating that they did it by the book several times........which suggestsme that this is a person who thinks they are clever and others are dumb/gullible enough to not know this really means they must not have done it by the book.

By metmike - May 23, 2020, 12:30 p.m.
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NAACP Statement on Endorsement Comment by Former Vice President Joe Biden

“Yesterday, former Vice President Joe Biden made a comment about the NAACP’s endorsement. We want to clarify that the NAACP is a non-partisan organization and does not endorse candidates for political office at any level. Persons affiliated with the NAACP at the national, state, and local levels are free to make candidate endorsements in a personal capacity, but they do not reflect support by the NAACP as an organization."

By metmike - May 23, 2020, 12:36 p.m.
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Biden’s ‘Breakfast Club’ Controversy Shows What His Rivals Already Knew

The syndicated radio show with Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee and DJ Envy has serious political power.

"As summer wound down, it became apparent to the show’s three hosts, Charlamagne Tha God, Angela Yee and DJ Envy, that Mr. Biden would not be joining them.

“They offered to have a black surrogate on the show,” Charlamagne said in an interview earlier this year.

But the candidate’s unwillingness to appear on the show made Charlamagne feel uneasy, he said. It seemed to him that speaking directly to black voters wasn’t a priority for Mr. Biden, especially since nearly every other Democratic candidate had been a guest by the time Mr. Biden entered the race last year."