city council is discussing this plan
what could possibly go wrong?
Activists say the way to stop police brutality and killings is to cut law enforcement budgets and reinvest in services. Some lawmakers now agree
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/defund-the-police-us-george-floyd-budgets
"The movement to defund the police is gaining significant support across America, including from elected leaders, as protests over the killing of George Floyd sweep the nation.
For years, activists have pushed US cities and states to cut law enforcement budgets amid a dramatic rise in spending on police and prisons while funding for vital social services has shrunk or disappeared altogether.
Government officials have long dismissed the idea as a leftist fantasy, but the recent unrest and massive budget shortfalls from the Covid-19 crisis appear to have inspired more mainstream recognition of the central arguments behind defunding.
“To see legislators who aren’t even necessarily on the left supporting at least a significant decrease in New York police department [NYPD] funding is really very encouraging,” Julia Salazar, a New York state senator and Democratic socialist, told the Guardian on Tuesday. “It feels a little bit surreal.”
Floyd’s death on camera in Minneapolis, advocates say, was a powerful demonstration that police reform efforts of the last half-decade have failed to stop racist policing and killings. Meanwhile, the striking visuals of enormous, militarized and at times violent police forces responding to peaceful protests have led some politicians to question whether police really need this much money and firepower."
metmike: This is just evidence that these people have ideas based on a Twilight Zone understanding of what's going on and its disabling their common sense lacking brains from being able to embrace sensible plans for our future.....because the political agenda gets in the way of rational thinking.
This is why they think the current climate optimum, defined by all authentic climate science and biology........is a climate crisis, defined by politics. A beneficial gas, CO2, in all of science.......... is pollution in the world of politics.
This is the REAL world:
From the peer reviewed study for the state of MN above:
African American Males in the Criminal Justice System
https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/ccj/African%20American%20Males.pdf
" For violent offenses, the arrest rate of African Americans in 1999 was 1,621 per 100,000. The comparable arrest rate for whites was 76 per 100,000 resulting in African Americans being 21 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than whites."
metmike: If we reigned in violent crime by young black men, cops would not feel the subconscious need (even after training) to profile using their street smarts and instincts living in a world of violent crime that requires this to survive.
Excessive violent crime in the African American communities is a big part of the problem. So the solution offered by some, is less law enforcement?
For our crop producers here that have irrigation, I offer you a similar solution. During the next widespread drought, if you want to help your crops.............turn off all the irrigation.
See the irrigation system below?
Next time we have more than 3 weeks of dry weather and your crops are stressed and shriveling up, think about turning off all the irrigation...............and then, use that to imagine what our big cities with rampant (black) crime would be like if we de-funded law enforcement.
Would crime get better or worse?
Would police officers be more or less stressed?
Would young black men have a better world or worse world?
Would they have more jobs? A better education? Better quality of life? Be better fathers/husbands?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8-KJawYwrg
This is the real solution that I offer:
My Take on Politicans
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Started by mikempt - Oct. 6, 2019, 8:12 a.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53282/
"You assume then, that not having welfare, will cause these same people, to get married and not commit crimes and decide to go back in a time machine and have new parents to raise them differently.
So the question really is, what came first. The welfare they received for being this way or the culture that they were raised in that caused them to be this way.
Oh, maybe it was because the grandparent taught the parent to be this way.
If we are going back that far, then we are talking exactly about my Dad. Exactly. Raised by a single Mom with zero child support and zero dad but on welfare in the inner city of Detroit. Turns out, that my Dad was a smashing success. Dad says that being on "The Welfare" as he calls it was a massive embarrassment in those days. They tried to hide it from their classmates/friends. Dad said that all the welfare kids had the same shoes and clothes, so everybody at school knew who they were. One year, when Dad was in 7th grade, his good friend told him about how he was helping the Catholic Church in his parish. They were bringing turkeys to the poor families and his buddy told him "we brought one to your house!" Dad wanted to crawl under a rock!
The system is different today of course and yes, some people use it and it makes it easier to justify not working when you have a safety net that supports you. However, the vast majority of single mom's raising kids did not get that way because of welfare. To suggest otherwise would mean that not having welfare, would cause irresponsible men who don't want to be good fathers or get married .........to turn into good husbands and fathers if only they would get rid of welfare.
You have nailed the problem but are blaming way too much of it on the wrong reason.
Young black males commit violent crimes at a rate(in the study that I sourced a couple of year ago) 6 times higher than young white males. Being raised without a good male role model has alot to do with that. Would taking away welfare cause young black men to suddenly metamorphose into responsible fathers and husbands?
Maybe you think that young black women would stop having sexual relationships or use better protection if there was no welfare.
Turns out that black women actually abort more babies than they raise in many big cities and many of them raise those children without husbands. If they are having those children because it gets them welfare, then we must assume that no welfare would result in a higher black abortion rate.
The welfare system is not the main problem in this case. Changing the culture requires outside help. These people on welfare and in the inner cities that were raised by single parents(moms) or in dysfunctional families, don't have the understanding or blue prints to know how to be good parents(especially the men) or how to be successful in life.
There has to be something that interrupts the repeating, viscous cycle via the education system or thru local organizations that connect with vulnerable children, starting at young age to teach them.
I strongly believe that good parenting classes in high school should be mandatory, especially in low income areas with single parent families. Can you teach love? This is not about religion but that's exactly what the 4 Gospels of Jesus did. .....and its blossomed into Christianity that has profoundly changed the world for the much better. What I'm suggesting is ethics classes combined with parenting classes. The principles go hand in hand. Teach children to respect others, the value of human life and what a good parent and spouse should be doing in a successful relationship. Have people in their community(ideally from their neighborhood) come in to share their positive experiences as dad's/husbands and mothers/wifes.
With absolute certainty, this would have a profoundly positive affect on many children in dysfunctional families.
https://education.seattlepi.com/would-mandatory-parenting-classes-schools-good-idea-1803.html
Teaching at school can only do so much. What happens when they leave school to a bad neighborhood with a bad parent(s)?
A high % of bad black fathers are in prison. This is another topic altogether but it's another golden opportunity for other men, regardless of color to step forward and be mentors, role models or good examples. This is absolutely realistic.
How would that work? First you identify the men. Many will be from the suburbs, many, will be older and will have already raised their own children successfully. Some will be very young and want to have a family but haven't found the right partner yet. I have recruited men like this to be my basketball, soccer and baseball coaches(mostly the younger ones for sports). If you offered money, you will get more than just volunteers but most people like this don't do it for money. There needs to be screening, background checks and child protection classes to avoid predators/pedophiles that will weasel into programs like this to abuse boys.
Men, filling in as a positive father figures/ideally foster parents(even if they are paid) will and do make a difference in most of these boys lives. The younger the child, the better chance to connect with them before the bad things in the world surrounding them define who they are:
https://www.fosterfocusmag.com/articles/just-foster-dads-part-1
Forget about the welfare or no welfare issue or government, no government's role. Either situation is a recipe for failure if you don't have responsible adults that understand what it takes to be good parents applying their love and skills to the at risk, vulnerable children.
Most parents and spouses learned about parenting/married life from being their parents children.
We spend billions of dollars on the education system but fail to educate and prepare children for the most important role they will ever have as adults.
If these are such great idea's why aren't are paid politicians and government on to it?
Our politicians and government don't work for us much of the time and their ideas are usually not creative unless it ties in with something that will help them get elected........promises to give people things like reparations for blacks or free health care or free college. ....or to save the planet(sorry if that offends anybody from one party-but if you look at my belief system today, its the one that defined the democrats from the old days-which included me).
Being a good parent(and citizen) is several orders of magnitude more important to individuals/families and society than actions to address a fake climate crisis........even if there was a climate crisis. "
cutting back on police funding is actually being proposed right now in several states.... that should teach 'em a lesson. The mayor of Los Angeles plans to cut police funding by 10-150 million, and channel these funds to minority communities.
I can see the following scenario with this proposal....
Old frightened lady, in her night gown, calling 911..."I need help. 2 armed intruders broke into my house. I am hiding in the cellar. Please send help"... and on the other end... "official police hours are from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday. Please call back during business hours"
It's pretty crazy Gunter.
Another thing that would help that is not being discussed, to go along with better training of cops(that HAS been happening and HAS been effective already across the nation) is to encourage them to be more of a part of positive endeavors in the black communities that they enforce laws in.
The benefits are 2 fold. The more officers that you have coming to local schools for instance, to interact in a positive way with students, the more trust that you will build in them. They ARE good people. This is being done in most communities already but there is usually a designated "Officer Friendly" and just 1 or 2 people that go to all the schools.
Most of the other cops are out there battling crime. They get bombarded all day long with real life negative experiences with criminals. After awhile, human nature, common sense/analytical thinking and street smarts working together create a cognitive bias in them...........stereotyping young black males. This leads to profiling. It can lead to them disrespecting a group that shows the most disrespect to them. The training they receive has to overcome human nature on their part which is telling their brains to judge the people based on their observations.
This can be offset when officers establish relationships and involvement in those same communities with the vast majority of blacks who are upstanding citizens. This can help balance their view.............to connect with the good side in a personal way and not always just the bad side. Have cops spend a few days in a positive environment with good people in the same community to balance all the negatives.
How about you and me try to imagine the life of an inner city cop, where violent crime is rampant and they are constantly risking their lives to arrest violent criminals who often resist physically and very often are verbally abusive. Of course that's their job. They signed up for that and know what they are getting and should be prepared for it, right?
Still, they are human beings..........almost every one of them good human beings and very few of them racist but more, them being affected by the challenging environments they work in.
Some should not be cops but its almost impossible to know which ones should not be cops. We assume the this guy should not have been a cop but did you know this about him:
" Chauvin was also singled out for bravery. Files show he won two medals of valor, one in 2006 for being part of a group of officers who opened fire on a stabbing suspect who pointed a shotgun at them, and another in 2008 for a domestic violence incident in which Chauvin broke down a bathroom door and shot a suspect in the stomach.
He also won medals of commendation in 2008 after he and his partner tackled a fleeing suspect who had a pistol in his hand, and in 2009 for single-handedly apprehending a group of gang members while working as an off-duty security guard at the El Nuevo Rodeo, a Minneapolis nightclub."
This is absolutely not defending anything that he did. He deserves prison the rest of his life for the cold blooded murder that he committed but how would somebody with this record above, have been weeded out as a racist cop that didn't belong on the police force? Instead, most of us would have admired his courage. By most standards, his record exemplified an outstanding cop. This is why the prosecutor had mentioned there was another side to the story. I am certain too, that if this video(s) of him killing George did not exist and especially if there were no other witnesses, that his past record would have resulted in him NOT being charged, certainly not with murder.
So even great cops can do very bad things. Some bad things that can be offset by their years of service but never cold blooded murder or blatant racism(which was not the case before this for him).
A political narrative has been manufactured, using this particular case as an example........without people having a clue about the realities in the world of young black men and police officers.
We must continue to crush racism in any form but also not pretend or be false illusioned into thinking that one of the best, altruistic jobs and people in that profession... law enforcement officers, are bad and racist.
this is how law and order is going to be
That was hilarious cutworm! Thanks for the laugh.