CDC has been inflating case numbers
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Started by GunterK - June 30, 2020, 2:14 p.m.

It's a long and complicated article. The bottom line...the CDC has been infalting Covid19 case numbers.... not maliciously, but through incompetence.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

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By metmike - June 30, 2020, 8:58 p.m.
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/52243/


New daily positives with the much higher rate of testing and opening up.............and widespread protesting with no social distancing have been going up the last 2 weeks.   Possibly, over half of this is from the increase in testing. Some is surely from opening up and poor habits and some from the protests.

Deaths  have been going down steadily for 2 months  those spiked higher for 1 day, on last Thursday but have not been increasing.


Find this data here: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Daily new infection cases in zig zag blue below. Cumulative new cases in orange on graph 1.

On graph 2, deaths in zig zag purple. Totals deaths in red.

                                    


By metmike - June 30, 2020, 11:57 p.m.
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Coronavirus

Were COVID-19 Lockdowns Worth the Cost?

The evidence suggests Americans are right to wonder.

https://reason.com/2020/06/29/were-covid-19-lockdowns-worth-the-cost/?utm_medium=email




By bear - July 1, 2020, 1:05 a.m.
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shutting down the economies have been a major mistake.

the economies of the globe were stagnating anyway,  and would be sinking into depression in less than 2 decades.   the last thing we want to do  is to send our economy into a depression sooner, and deeper.  

people today  are not old enough to have direct memory of how bad the last depression was.  and we forget that the depression in europe was far worse.  it started in the 1920's, and led to the rise of nationalism, fascism, the nazi party, WW2, and the holocaust.  

do not underestimate the absolute horrible & strange consequences of sending the economy into a massive depression.  

By wglassfo - July 1, 2020, 11:12 a.m.
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Unless we can fully open up and get jobs back to some encouraging level of consumer confidence it will be a close call for depression, sooner than later

There are different kinds of economic depression, none of them good. Most people think a V shaped recovery is impossible

 this one looks like an economic trade problem as buyers of products are scarce.  I might add gold is still looking like a leading indicator.

Somebody else may have a different thought, but I think the warning signs are out there. Of coarse that is speculation but speculation about the future, is a very useful tool

An example might be speculation about future house hold income and expenses 



By metmike - July 1, 2020, 12:03 p.m.
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Thanks Wayne!


And speculating with opinions on a forum is..................FREE!

By wxdavid - July 2, 2020, 3:54 p.m.
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     wow  mike that is some serous  bullshit you are shoveling

By wxdavid - July 2, 2020, 4:03 p.m.
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 this  time folks  lets  Look at  REALITY  ..ok?

“The number of confirmed U.S. deaths due to the coronavirus is substantially lower than the true tally,” CNBC reports.

“The 781,000 total deaths in the United States in the three months through May 30 were about 122,300, or nearly 19% higher, than what would normally be expected, according to the researchers. Of the 122,300 excess deaths, 95,235 were attributed to Covid-19… Most of the rest of the excess deaths, researchers said, were likely related to or directly caused by the coronavirus.”

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In addition if you buy the argument that the virus has been in the country a lot longer than initially thought and that significant percentages of the  population already have antibodies which is what some of the data showed in the Chicago metro area as well as California….  then it means that a significant percentage of the people who  died from flu or pneumonia back in November December and January probably died from the virus not from the manure flu.


By metmike - July 2, 2020, 5:47 p.m.
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"it means that a significant percentage of the people who  died from flu or pneumonia back in November December and January probably died from the virus not from the manure flu."


Do you have any legit evidence, not just wild speculation to substantiate your statement that contradicts the science?

Did Coronavirus Start Spreading In US In November 2019? A Fact Check Facebook posts falsely claim that citizens in the US had started being infected by the coronavirus since November 2019.

https://www.boomlive.in/world/did-coronavirus-start-spreading-in-us-in-november-2019-a-fact-check-7951?infinitescroll=1



Dr. Julian Leibowitz, an expert in coronaviruses who is a professor of microbial pathogenesis and immunology at Texas A&M's College of Medicine, said of the claim: "This statement is just so wrong." There is "absolutely no data that I know of to directly support this statement," he told AFP by email. Dr. Benjamin Neuman, an expert in coronaviruses who chairs the Biological Sciences department at Texas A&M University-Texarkana, agreed. The first US case of COVID-19 was "certainly not at Thanksgiving, but possibly earlier in January than we had anticipated," he said by email, adding that it is "extremely unlikely that there were coronavirus cases spreading in the US in December 2019." "The virus would have likely spread far more than it has, if it had been moving from person to person in the United States for two months longer," Neuman said. The novel coronavirus and the disease it causes "were unknown before the outbreak began in Wuhan, China, in December 2019," according to the World Health Organization. \

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's data on COVID-19 cases in the United States lists the earliest date of illness onset as January 14, 2020.

By wxdavid - July 2, 2020, 10:28 p.m.
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   re-read  what I said .  

 I said  In addition if you buy the argument that the virus has been in the country a lot longer than initially thought 

By metmike - July 2, 2020, 11:01 p.m.
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So you  DON'T have any evidence to support the statement.

Thanks