Trump trying to undermine Fauci
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Started by pj - July 14, 2020, 6:03 p.m.

https://tinyurl.com/ybczh38b

I bet Biden wishes the election were held today.

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By wxdavid - July 14, 2020, 6:07 p.m.
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since trump doesnt want to be potus anymore...I bet he wishes the election  was held now  too

By wxdavid - July 14, 2020, 6:07 p.m.
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Trump:
Can't trust WHO
Can't trust CDC
Can't trust Fauci
Can't trust media
Can't trust doctors
Can't trust state health officials
Can't trust teachers
Can't trust state data
Can't trust Federal data
Can't trust test results
Can't trust 138,000 dead people

See a pattern here...??

By mcfarm - July 14, 2020, 6:12 p.m.
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oh I see a pattern all right. And damn its getting old.

By pj - July 14, 2020, 6:20 p.m.
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wxd: "since trump doesnt want to be potus anymore...I bet he wishes the election  was held now  too"

Boy, do we disagree about that.  Think, if he could, Trump would like to pull off what his paramour Putin did, so he could (effectively) be president for life.

By WxFollower - July 14, 2020, 7:55 p.m.
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 Disgusting. He's jealous of Fauci's intelligence and especially jealous about Fauci's way higher likeability and trustworthiness. 


Truman: "The buck stops here."

Trump: "Keep that dam* buck far away from me."


 Similar names but very dissimilar presidencies. Trump is the bottom of the barrel. He needs to be voted out.

By wxdavid - July 14, 2020, 11:39 p.m.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2020/07/14/anthony-fauci-wrong-with-me-peter-navarro-editorials-debates/5439374002/



Anthony Fauci has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on: Peter Navarro   

When you ask me whether I listen to his advice, my answer is only with skepticism and caution: Opposing view

Peter NavarroOpinion contributor     and LIAR!!!!  

Dr. Anthony Fauci has a good bedside manner with the public, but he has been wrong about everything I have interacted with him on.

In late January, when I was making the case on behalf of the president to take down the flights from China, Fauci fought against the president’s courageous decision — which might well have saved hundreds of thousands of American lives.    ( LIE #1     USA  was the 49th country  to end  travel  with China )

When I warned in late January in a memo of a possibly deadly pandemic, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was telling the news media not to worry.  ( lie #2 ) 


When I was working feverishly on behalf of the president in February to help engineer the fastest industrial mobilization of the health care sector in our history, Fauci was still telling the public the China virus was low risk.
 ( MASSIVE  LIE #3)
 

When we were building new mask capacity in record time, Fauci was flip-flopping on the use of masks.

Peter Navarro, an assistant to the president, is the director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy.

And when Fauci was telling the White House Coronavirus Task Force that there was only anecdotal evidence in support of hydroxychloroquine to fight the virus, I confronted him with scientific studies providing evidence of safety and efficacy. A recent Detroit hospital study showed a 50% reduction in the mortality rate when the medicine is used in early treatment.    ( LIE  #4 AND lIE #5)  



Now Fauci says a falling mortality rate doesn’t matter when it is the single most important statistic to help guide the pace of our economic reopening. The lower the mortality rate, the faster and more we can open.

Peter Navarro, an assistant to the president, is the director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy. (Parts of this statement were shared with other news organizations. The Food and Drug Administration has revoked its approval for treating COVID-19 with hydroxychloroquine.)


By wxdavid - July 14, 2020, 11:40 p.m.
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In a Feb. 29 interview with Kristen Welker and Peter Alexander on NBC’s “Today” show, Fauci said the risk from COVID-19 “is still low,” and he said there was no need for people to change their daily routines “at this moment.” But he warned that could change if “you start to see community spread.”

Alexander, Feb. 29: So, Dr. Fauci, it’s Saturday morning in America. People are waking up right now with real concerns about this. They want to go to malls and movies, maybe the gym as well. Should we be changing our habits and, if so, how?

Fauci: No. Right now, at this moment, there’s no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.

Welker: Dr. Fauci, quickly, how does this all end?

Fauci: You know, it ends if you — it depends on the nature of the outbreak. I mean, this could be a major outbreak. I hope not. Or it could be something that’s reasonably well controlled. At the end of the day, this will ultimately go down. Hopefully we could protect the American public from any serious degree of morbidity or mortality. That’s the reason why we’ve got to do the things that we have in our plan.

By TimNew - July 15, 2020, 3:59 a.m.
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I'll start and end with this.


LIE #1     USA  was the 4309th country  to end  travel  with China

USA was the #4309th country?   You have it straight from critical thinking WXD that there are at least 4308 other countries besides the US. Let's forget the fact that in February,   while DeBlasio was telling people to go about their business and Pelosi was telling people to come on down to China Town,  Trump was trying to implement a travel ban from China and was met with massive opposition.  It was just another xenophobic move on Trump's part. 

Anyway, the UN says there are 195 sovereign states in the world.  Better get on the phone with them and straighten this out.


By metmike - July 15, 2020, 11:45 a.m.
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Thanks Tim,

Dave continues to post a great deal of things based on his manufactured/imaginary(or MSM dependent) TDS.

Trump has so many, many things that should be criticized harshly and several of them relate to the COVID pandemic that I've chimed in about............his rally in OK, for instance  was the dumbest decision ever made in his life and not pushing masks more early on after the science was clear that they reduce the risk of exposure, especially when used with social distancing and avoiding large crowds. 

Both sides give a blatantly distorted/inaccurate accounting of how each side acted as the COVID pandemic evolved early on. They both focus on bad decisions based on our ignorance of the disease at the time.............while completely ignoring even worse decisions by their side during or even after that time frame. 

Regardless, Dave is not content to use authentic facts but instead makes up his own so that he can vilify every iota of every statement or decision that relates to Trump.

He doesn't realize this but it has the complete opposite affect on most people. When people realize that some of your stuff is bs, when they can't verify the other stuff, they will assume some of that is bs too. 

He does...............exactly what he accuses the other person of doing, over and over. 

Besides your point, Dave made up  other supposed lies like  #4 and #5 that can easily be shown to be lies from him by somebody with actual facts.

Dave says: "And when Fauci was telling the White House Coronavirus Task Force that there was only anecdotal evidence in support of hydroxychloroquine to fight the virus, I confronted him with scientific studies providing evidence of safety and efficacy. A recent Detroit hospital study showed a 50% reduction in the mortality rate when the medicine is used in early treatment.    ( LIE  #4 AND lIE #5) "

metmike: This is the truth.


HCQ DOES HELP some patients. This is why REAL doctors are prescribing it for their REAL patients in the REAL world........because they understand how it works. 

It reduces inflammation in the lungs and has been proven extremely safe with hundreds of millions of doses the last several decades showing no serious side effects when used as directed..........the main study that told us it was killing patients was busted. 

What's sad is that after Dave has been proven wrong with facts on topics he continues to use the same made up stuff to support his position.

                WHY THE   NEW  HCQ  STUDY IS CRAP             

                            Started by wxdavid - July 5, 2020, 8:50 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55166/


                Florida teen dies after conspiracy theorist mom takes her to church ‘COVID party’ and tries to treat her with Trump-approved drug: report            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55199/


                 Trump-touted COVID-19 drug hydroxychloroquine works            

                            18 responses |          

                Started by metmike - July 3, 2020, 8:07 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55059/


I'm always happy to go back and retrieve prior posts/threads from prior discussions......to show facts.  

By metmike - July 15, 2020, 11:52 a.m.
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Wayne made a wonderful post this morning related to this:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55951/

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 12:54 p.m.
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 sure except  Mike that  dont  show here  what  I am posting   that you   claim to be  manufactured   / msm stuff
 what you are doing    ....all the time I might  add....   is claim   that  since you don't agree with  it its wrong


Thanks Tim,

Dave continues to post a great deal of things based on his manufactured/imaginary(or MSM dependent) TDS.

LIE  #1  claimed  USA    was the    49th country to ban   ravel with china  --  
 PROOF ?   Google it


lie#2  by  Navrrao  
Yes  he did write that memo but   Fauci  was NOT  telling  the media not to worry.    
Fauci said  that based on the info from China. ...which we all know lied their asses off  - ask trump


( MASSIVE  LIE #3)       Narraro   said   "When I was working feverishly on behalf of the president in February to help engineer the fastest industrial mobilization of the health care sector in our history, Fauci was still telling the public the China virus was low risk.  "

PROOF THAT  NAVVARO IS LYING
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/17/new-coronavirus-what-dont-we-know-dr-anthony-fauci-q-a-opinion/4790996002/

Q. Bottom line, how worried should people in America be?
A. The risk of coronavirus in this country is still relatively low, but, as I said about the possibility of emerging into a pandemic, this could change. As of today, on the 17th of February, the risk is really relatively low. But we, the public health officials, have to take this seriously enough to be prepared for it changing and there being a pandemic.

==============================


 so I   have  now provided source to back upon my claims...  
and  Mike   accuses me in affect of lying

By TimNew - July 15, 2020, 2:27 p.m.
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Except you wrote the 4903rd country (I copied and pasted your text, odd you seem to glaze over that) and as we all know,  Trump tried to do it early, in Feb,  but received a lot of resistance, as always. So,   you're intentionally misleading on that one,

I see you went back and edited your OP, so it appears you are intentionally dishonest with us, but even worse,  I suspect you are dishonest with yourself. 

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 2:36 p.m.
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 it was an obvious typo    - since there  not  4093  countries

 instead is   deducing the obvious  you come up an  direct   attack on  my integrity


 dude you are  an  asshole 

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 2:38 p.m.
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said he has “total” faith in Dr. Anthony Fauci while speaking to reporters in his home state of Kentucky, WAVE reports.

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 2:39 p.m.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-slams-white-house-peter-navarro-for-attacking-him-2020-7


Dr. Anthony Fauci spoke out Wednesday against the White House's attempts to discredit him and singled out President Donald Trump's trade adviser, Peter Navarro.

"That is a bit bizarre," Fauci told The Atlantic, referring to a list of talking points that Trump aides circulated over the weekend criticizing his handling of the coronavirus outbreak. Fauci is the US's top infectious disease specialist and a member of the White House coronavirus task force.

"I think if you sit down and talk to the people who are involved in that list that came out, they are really, I think, taken aback by what a big mistake that was," he told The Atlantic. "I think if you talk to reasonable people in the White House, they realize that was a major mistake on their part, because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. And I don't think that was their intention. I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that."

Fauci added that he believes White House insiders realize now "that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it's only reflecting negatively on them."

By TimNew - July 15, 2020, 3:34 p.m.
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I've seen lots of what appear to be typos from you, and yet you repeat them ad nauseum.   Now I should give you the benefit of the doubt?

As a rule,  when people make typos here, and then correct them hours later, they make note of it.  It's called integrity.  BTW,  you originally types 4903,  not the 4093 you "indicated" in your response.   Perhaps you should spebnd more time reviewing your typing.   Just a suggestion.

As far as your endearing nickname for me,   I'll simply consider the source and chalk it up as a compliment. IMO,  based on experience here on the forum, the less you think of me,  the better I must be.

If you really want to get under my skin,  compliment me.  Nothing would make me reevaluate a position more quickly.

By metmike - July 15, 2020, 5:31 p.m.
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Tim,

Thank you very much for continuing to  not take Dave's bait with the latest name calling.

                By metmike - July 15, 2020, 5:22 p.m.            

            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55951/


"I have always been a confrontational scientist because I am fanatical my devotion to science critical thinking and reasoning"

I have been practicing the scientific method diligently for the past 36 years and you my friend are breaking every rule. Are we to also assume that name calling, personal attacks and disrespecting others are part of Dave's scientific method too.

What you are really doing however, is thinking that people will buy into your justification of this inexcusable, offensive behavior because you are fanatical in your devotion to science.

Ironically, I really can't think of another person that reminds me of President Trump as much as you do Dave. 

I very much appreciate and respect our regular posters  who were targets for personal attacks and called names here for not allowing Dave to get them upset(even mcfarm  seems to have made an effort).

He was warned over and over, with numerous specific examples of his blatant offenses  and has had more lives than that cat with 9 lives.......but as moderator here, I have no choice. 

Any posts made by Dave after 9pm Eastern on the NTR forum will be deleted thru the rest of the month. This gives Dave a few hours to say his last words on the NTR forum for awhile if he wants. 

I will allow his trading posts to stay, where "Good Dave"  is capable of shining and making positive contributions but any violations there, will result in us having to say "bye bye" to Dave. 

This has never been done before and requires a bit of extra work vs just banning him but part of the reason is I know that Larry especially wanted Dave to behave and appreciates his weather posts.

I don't want to get into picking and choosing what uncivil political posts must go because some of them will feature a confrontation or disagreement with me............and I actually enjoy those the most personally(especially criticisms on my climate change position)  because it provides wonderful opportunities to use AUTHENTIC facts and science to support positions. 

I would be torn between deleting the post and wanting to respond to it as well as being accused of deleting things because they disagree vs because Dave called the other person a moron, or racist or a-hole or ignorant or delusional or liar as well as his penchant for making up facts.

So it's best to have no more NTR posting for Dave for awhile.


By metmike - July 15, 2020, 5:42 p.m.
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Lessons for Dave and others to learn from Dave's posting on the thread below:             

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55925/

    By metmike - July 15, 2020, 2:19 p.m.            

                                      

Dave to metmike:  "typical  ignorant   right  wing  bable"


1.  I'm not right wing or a Republican, I am an independent with several quite liberal positions.

2.  Making unkind references/insults to peoples opinions wins exactly ZERO discussions/debates in the forum of objective observers opinion. 

3. Here are some good suggestions for you Dave:

a. Read and listen to what the other person says.  Don't make up you own version or assume you know what they want to say before reading it, then thinking about it.

b. If you disagree with them. State something that they actually have wrong, then show facts to prove that you are right.  Don't make up your own stuff, mischaracterizing their opinion to make it the one you want to attack, then do't make up your own facts.............don't cherry pick data that shows only a small part of the picture, while ignoring everything else.

c. Even if you were to be successful at a. and b. you will lose just as many points in a debate by calling names, making personal attacks and lobbing insults. Using foul language also sets you back. My experience though, is that people act this way BECAUSE they are being crushed in a debate.  Being respectful and civil should be the #1 priority if you intend to be seen as credible.

d. Changing bad behavior like this after decades of bullying and trying to intimadate people that usually will not have as much skill as you for using the internet/graphs and so on to manufacture bs will be a hard habit for you to break Dave.  However, when somebody really wants to improve themselves, the only thing holding them back is.................themselves.  Making a committment to improving is the easy part. Applying it consistently with discipline is the hard part................but it becomes easier and easier with time.

4. Maybe this is the most important item.

I'll put it on another page so that it stands out for you.

                                    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


            

           

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roger Stone Clemency Trump Rewarding His Friends            

            

               By metmike - July 15, 2020, 2:26 p.m.            

            

                    https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/50115/


Hate is the most destructive emotion of all.

"It will cause you to lower and violate the  previous standards that you set for yourself for ethical behavior and honestly because this emotion drives you to hurt the person that you hate more than those  previous standards cause you to follow the truth and be objective...............and act professionally, with integrity. 

It will cause you to do and say things that are harmful to you and your reputation when the hate becomes neurotic because you become so obsessed with harming the hated person that rational thinking no longer applies.

Your interpretation of circumstances involving the hated person becomes so blatantly skewed  that the hoped for endpoint in every realm is always for them to be hurt. 

Hate blackens the heart and soul of the hater. It can ruin personal relationships and ironically, more often than not destroys the hater, not the target of their hatred.


This emotion drives the thoughts of many people when it comes to any issue involving President Trump."

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I see here that you have already received this message from me.  You don't appear to be making the progress we'd hoped for Dave. You should do this for yourself but if you choose against doing so, I will eventually give up on you and stop your tearing down of our forum.


Use pj and wxfollower as good examples of posting for  non right wing types, if that helps.


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55059/

                                   


            

                

By mcfarm - July 15, 2020, 5:46 p.m.
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MM you have had the patience of Job in this situation. Had wx caused us to lose Tim, {one of the smartest, well read, and also has great patience}, posters the forum has ever had, we all would be losers. You have bent over backward and even if wx stirred much debate what he did to Tim was not forgiveable.

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 5:55 p.m.
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Yes  I am dyslexic.  

 it is Obvious that the  Number was a typo-- even YOU pointed out the  number  could not be correct

 so  then  when I saw your comment  I corrected it

still even though  you saw / deduced that the number could not have been correct..  it still led you too
attack  NOT my argument   but   my integrity

 and Mike?   did nothing


I've seen lots of what appear to be typos from you, and yet you repeat them ad nauseum.   Now I should give you the benefit of the doubt?

As a rule,  when people make typos here, and then correct them hours later, they make note of it.  It's called integrity.  BTW,  you originally types 4903,  not the 4093 you "indicated" in your response.   Perhaps you should spebnd more time reviewing your typing.   Just a suggestion.

As far as your endearing nickname for me,   I'll simply consider the source and chalk it up as a compliment. IMO,  based on experience here on the forum, the less you think of me,  the better I must be.

If you really want to get under my skin,  compliment me.  Nothing would make me reevaluate a position more quickly.

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 6:01 p.m.
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“I think it’s absolutely outrageous. It’s one of the biggest mistakes, I think, that the administration has made throughout this entire coronavirus response, because Dr. Fauci is, in my opinion, the most respected guy in the administration, and the voice of truth and reason throughout this pandemic.”

— Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R), quoted by ABC News, on the Trump administration attacking Dr. Anthony Fauci.

By wxdavid - July 15, 2020, 6:02 p.m.
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Trump Encouraged Navarro to Attack Fauci

Despite attempts to distance the White House from adviser Peter Navarro’s op-ed attacking Dr. Anthony Fauci, a Trump administration official told the Los Angeles Times that Navarro had President Trump’s permission to write the column.

Said the official: “Not only was he authorized by Trump, he was encouraged.”

The Atlantic: “Targeting Fauci seems like a tragic misuse of White House time and energy if officials’ aim is to defeat the coronavirus. But Trump appears more concerned with discrediting Fauci.”

By metmike - July 15, 2020, 6:29 p.m.
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"still even though  you saw / deduced that the number could not have been correct..  it still led you too
attack  NOT my argument   but   my integrity

 and Mike?   did nothing"


Dave,

You have less than 3 hours left on the NTR forum to whine about how you are being unfairly attacked here and how the moderator is doing nothing. 

Because at 9pm EDT, I AM doing something.

Any new posts you make on the NTR forum will be deleted for the rest of the month after that time.



By TimNew - July 16, 2020, 4:18 a.m.
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it still led you too
attack  NOT my argument   but   my integrity

Wrong again.  I also pointed out, TWICE, that Trump was attempting to ban China travel in early February but met with a great deal of resistance.  Your laying blame at Trump's feet over the timeliness of the ban is at best, extremely disingenuous, and your claim that I only attacked your integrity is either an example of clinically selective perception or dishonesty.