Democrats/Liberals hate America. Change my mind...
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Started by TimNew - Sept. 7, 2020, 6:24 p.m.

First, they hate capitalism and that is the root of America. Remember "The Business of America is Business"?  Not long ago,  they pretended they were not socialists.   That pretense is long gone.   

They also hate the constitution.  The 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment at least. Add in the Electoral College, but the list goes on.

They hate religion.  In a country that was largely founded on the principle of Freedom of Religion, they have every right to do so,  but they fight religious belief at every turn. 

They despise the concept of "Traditional Families" and call anyone who believes in such "HateFul". 

They hate the coutry's history and when they can't revise it to suit their goals,  they destroy it through vandalism or other acts of terrorism. 

They hate law enforcement and are eagerly trying to dismantle it. 

They say we are a systemically racist country that oppresses/kills all minorities.

They hate the flag and when not direspecting it on the field,  will walk on it and/or burn it.

This is the short list,  but I could go on.

So here is your chance.   Any liberal, or anyone else who is reading this...   Tell me ONE THING that liberals love about America...   I will not be holding my breath because there is nothing.  

Why are they here?  I would leave a country that resembled the America they try to depict.

By metmike - Sept. 7, 2020, 7:24 p.m.
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                      Some redneck (conservative) side humor just for you Tim!


I Think My Dog's a Democrat   Bryan Lewis  Official Video

The Hillary Song

The "I Believe Song"

Blue Collar Comedy Tour: The Guys' Favorite Jokes

By TimNew - Sept. 7, 2020, 7:29 p.m.
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Yeah.  Redneck.  Uh Huh.   But dispute anything I said in the OP.   

By metmike - Sept. 7, 2020, 7:51 p.m.
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To be fair, here's some humor from the other side:

Donald Trump Calls Madea

Madea Is Trump's New Communications Director

Donald Trump Calls Obama After Indiana Win

Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton Third Debate Cold Open - SNL

By GunterK - Sept. 7, 2020, 8:53 p.m.
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timnew, I hope you don't mind... I am copying your post for future viewing, before it scrolls down into ancient history on this forum

PS... Biden's manifesto further adds to the points you mentioned

By mcfarm - Sept. 7, 2020, 9:02 p.m.
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Tim, this would make quite a debate scenario for Trump. Just politely ask sleepy joe, if he shows up, these very points and let him stammer and stutter off into history.

By metmike - Sept. 7, 2020, 9:31 p.m.
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Looks like numerous sheriff's in the US agree with your thinking Tim.

On law enforcement its a no brainer.

By metmike - Sept. 8, 2020, 1:19 a.m.
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Your post is pretty confrontational/divisive, which is why I posted the stuff to throw some humor into it. 

I will respond by providing you with a link to a letter that a local resident wrote to our paper after Dave Wedding, our sheriff switched parties from Democrat to Republican. 

Dave used verbiage, similar to yours in stereotyping, is very offensive to this person and probably other democrats that don't match up with your totally negative description.


Viewpoint: An open letter to Sheriff Wedding

Vera JohnsonViewpoint

Sheriff Wedding: I am a registered Democrat. I am sad to learn that I guess you consider me a lawless anti-American, anti-God idiot.

I used to hope that Evansville would not see the blatant police brutality that we have seen across this great country. But now I believe it is possible because as the leader of the sheriff’s department, you set the tone from the top. Obviously you consider a large part of the population to be anti-American, anti-God idiots.

Vanderburgh County Sheriff Dave Wedding announces his official switch from Democrat to Republican while talking to a large crowd outside of White Stallion Energy in Evansville, Ind., Thursday, Sept. 3, 2020. He accused his former party of endorsing flag burning, failing to acknowledge God and not supporting police.

How do you protect and serve people that you have no respect for in the same manner that you respect others?

"I am most disappointed that as an elected official in law enforcement whose mission is to “protect and to serve” that you would single out an entire group of people with insulting language. You should be viewed as a community leader. If you have such a negative perspective of a good percentage of the population, how can you treat us all equally?

Lastly, Mayor Winnecke, even though I am a registered Democrat, I have voted for you and have always thought you are a good mayor. As you stood up with Sheriff Wedding I have to ask: Do you also think Democrats are lawless anti-American, anti-God idiots? Same question for Lt. Gov. Crouch.

So much for serving and representing all the people. Thanks for bringing all of that toxic rhetoric to Evansville, Sheriff Wedding."

metmike:   Dave is actually a personal friend who absolutely will do anything to help people, regardless of their party or skin color but I totally get what this letter writer is saying. 

 It's sad that he used this very inflammatory and derogatory verbiage in attacking democrats. I don't think it represents who he is as a person.  I believe it was entirely to show that there should be no doubt in peoples minds that he is totally converted to his new party, so that Republicans, who have known him as a Democrat these past 6 years, will welcome him without suspicion and with open arms.

Sadly, alot of democrats will see him as a traitor and the manner in which he left the party, with this type of language will be ammo for them to dislike him in the future.............possibly be more motivated to defeat him when he runs for office as the opposition.

He has 2 years to finish with his 2nd and last term. If he was not continuing in politics, he would likely have just finished as a democrat and not rocked the boat.

So future political aspirations in this Republican dominated area are what likely caused this decision and the tone of his announcement speech.

By mcfarm - Sept. 8, 2020, 7:08 a.m.
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MM, I feel for the guy. Seems like its the same old story. He did not leave the dems the dems left him. I suppose he could just roll over like most dem officials seem to be doing across the country and turn a blind eye, pretend all is well, and then say "I was setup and I am the one who deserves an apology"

By TimNew - Sept. 8, 2020, 7:39 a.m.
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MM,  most of the points I made above are solid planks of the dem party and I assume the people voting for this are aware.

By mikempt - Sept. 8, 2020, 9:20 a.m.
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They love the first amendment! They love freedom of speech and the right to protest from what I can see

I hope Mitch McConnell loses along with Pelosi and schumer

By TimNew - Sept. 8, 2020, 9:52 a.m.
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They only like the 1st amendment when you agree with them.  Otherwise,  not so much.  But the thing is,  you either have the 1st amendment, or you don't.  Conditionally supporting it is the same as opposing it.

By cutworm - Sept. 8, 2020, 10:47 a.m.
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From metmike's letter above;

"Do you also think Democrats are lawless anti-American"

I would think that democrat  officials that Defund the police and fiddle as their cities burn, is evidence of who is for lawlessness.

I also have prayed for all the past presidents. Even though I had very large misgivings with some of their policies.

By cutworm - Sept. 8, 2020, 11:48 a.m.
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Viewpoint: An open letter to Sheriff Wedding

Also in the afore mentioned letter why does the author  feel it important to disclose that he is African American?

By GunterK - Sept. 8, 2020, 12:10 p.m.
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A long time ago, there was a president who said “Ask not what the country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country”. He was a Democrat…. an “old-school” democrat.

Mikempt, by having read all of your posts, for many, many years, I can say that I know you.
You are an immigrant. You served in the Coast Guard. And you are an “old-school” democrat. I believe, if you saw a protester burn the flag, you would step in to stop him. Some would call you a “patriot”

I assume, you dislike the current president.. and you have all the rights to do so. However, I also believe that you are not quite comfortable with the never-ending malicious attempts to remove him from office, rather than waiting for the next election.

There are many like you in this country… decent men who love their country. They are not the problem.

What scares me are politicians like Hillary, Mr. Schiff, etc. What upsets me is refugees elected to Congress expressing their hatred for this country.

The moral values of the “old” USA are being replaced by a new set of morals that’s being forced upon us.

There is a difference between being a democrat and being a socialist. However, what is happening right now, in our cities, has nothing to do with democracy…. it’s anarchy, lawlessness. And this anarchy is encouraged by “new-school” democrat mayors and governors.

What I am trying to say, mikempt… you don’t fit the description given in timnew’s original post… neither do many “old-school” democrats. However, many of our elected officials perfectly fit timnew’s description.

By metmike - Sept. 8, 2020, 12:54 p.m.
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Thanks for the wonderful responses.

It's also helps me to solidify my own views and distinguish between politicians and members of their party that they represent.

It also help me to understand with more clarity, why so many people that hate Donald Trump, also hate people that support Donald Trump.

Do you notice that we don't have any liberals left here?

Despite me welcoming them with open arms and encouraging them constantly to post their thoughts while they are/were here(I even created a Trump bashing thread for 4 months for them), they hate Donald Trump and this has caused them to also hate Donald Trump supporters too much and can't stand to be around them. 

Several came only to offensively and personally attack Trump supporters using unacceptable language and couldn't  follow a basic code of ethics for behavior/respect because they hated Trump supporters so much.

MarketForum is a small microcosm of the US right now. 

We have to ask, why do their feelings for President Trump translate to their feelings for those that support him? 

Because they are holding those people accountable for voting him in/supporting him.................even if those people(like me) find his character and personality traits just  as despicable as they do. 

So, do we want to be like that too? Make the behavior and ideas of the Democratic leaders something personal to hold against the Democrat individuals in the party?


My son strongly supports Bernie. Bernie is completely full of doo doo with his made up climate emergency.  I am an environmentalist too. Should I hold my son or anybody else accountable for Bernie's  "save the planet" bs-ing if my son's personal view is that he wants to save the planet?

Trump bs's all the time, more than anybody but his supporters, think they should not be judged based on his bs-ing.

Fair enough. Then why, when Bernie bs's, should we actually judge his supporters and make it personal, when they actually do want to save the planet and feel that this is the candidate most likely to accomplish that?

I used this example because you all know my passionate position on the fake climate crisis. It should never come down to making it personal against those that believe in it.........because they sincerely want what the false promises are in things like the Green New Fairy Tale.

So I  should attack with gusto.............not the millions of good  people who have been brainwashed and support the fraudulent agenda but the ones that represent the agenda.. The gatekeepers, including the MSM, dem party politicians, United Nations, Greta and others that are perpetrating the scheme to fool the good people that believe in it.

To attack people that believe sincerely or support the agenda because of their personal belief system(which might be similar to mine as an environmentalist) ..............because I, as an atmospheric scientist know the truth and they are being fooled(by one sided, bad information that surrounds them from every direction) would only make it personal. It means that my disdain for the perpetrators that have hijacked climate science for their political agenda would translate to  disdain for the people that have fallen victims from this ruse. 

So too with the current democrats. We see the party, much of the Summer attacking law enforcement because Trump was for law enforcement and as we know, whatever Trump is for, the democratic party mantra has to be 100% against.

But what is in the minds of the actual democratic voters. Do they hate the cops? Are they against law and order? I'll betcha that almost all of them getting on board with this mentality just want cops to be held accountable for the actions of the bad cops that killed all the young black men that they saw killed on tv and the internet. 

You all know that the bad cops really are out there and all agree that we need to get rid of them. So you agree with them on the objective. Accomplishing that and expressing that is where the massive divide has taken place.  They are committed to getting rid of the bad cops, matter what..........even if its hurts  the vast majority of really good cops. The other side is focused on the  vast majority of really good cops that are being unfairly hurt. 

But both sides want law and order and it would be wrong to claim one side does not.

Those are also the vast majority of those at peaceful protests. 

Those causing the violence and rioting are a small minority.

So when a  Republican translates the violence happening and the party officials looking the other way all Summer into the individuals in the party as  being for this......because they voted/will vote for them is unfair.

Just as unfair as Republicans being judged for Trumps constantly misstating  and saying things that are not the truth and being mean.............that they don't believe in.

By TimNew - Sept. 8, 2020, 1:23 p.m.
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I See your point MM, and as is almost always true, sweeping generalizations are unfair.  BUT!!!

I don't see/hear dem politicians disprove my generalizations, and by varying degrees, quite the contrary.

And you'll be hard pressed to find a dem who will voice disapproval of ANTIFA, for example,  generally, quite the contrary, even after being presented with multiple videos showing egregious behavior.   The standard answer is "How can you be opposed to people who oppose fascism?'.  What they ignore is that you can't oppose fascism using fascist tactics.   

So, yes,  I am certain that at least to a degree,  my above generalization is unfair in some cases.   My day to day experience shows me that that degree shrinks daily. 

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2020, 1:35 a.m.
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This is a great point about this person identifying themselves as being African American. 

This is what she stated: "But you certainly know that a large percentage of the African American population identifies as Democratic. So I am concerned that when you see an African American in particular that your first thought is lawless, anti-American, anti-God idiot. And your officers know how you feel."

Many blacks really hate it when a white person, like me gives an analysis of  what we think of their actions/thoughts regarding racial I am doing right now with regards to this letter.

In this case, Vera is the one that brought race up, so it's fair to try to understand why.

It seems obvious that she is claiming that since Sheriff Wedding was critical of the Democratic parties platform and most blacks are Democrats, that Wedding has a low opinion of all blacks and is passing that on to the hundreds of officers that he leads. 

So in essence, we are to believe that if somebody has a negative opinion about something or some group for any reason, if there are a great deal of blacks in that group, then it becomes a racial issue, even if race has nothing to do with it. 

Knowing Dave for 3 decades, I'm very confident that he is NOT a racist. I'm betting that Vera does NOT know Dave so this is an unfair connection that she makes to how he and his officers see African Americans. 

With blacks being very suspicious and not trusting cops, it's not surprising at all that Vera would assume the worst in Dave and his very dedicated police officers. 

Funny thing is that she is doing the exact same thing that she accuses him of............judging an entire group of people based on not really knowing the individuals.

She rightfully feels insulted that Dave stereotyped  democrats based on the party's actions recently.

She just did the  same thing.........stereotyping him and his officers with regards to how they must view African Americans without know them.........and with no evidence that any Vanderburgh County cop has ever acted based on racial discrimination.