President Trumps records/taxes
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Started by metmike - Sept. 29, 2020, 4:53 p.m.
    
    
  

          The President’s Taxes        

       

          Long-Concealed Records Show Trump’s Chronic Losses and Years of Tax Avoidance        

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

    
    
  The President’s Taxes        How Reality-TV Fame Handed Trump a $427 Million Lifeline    

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/28/us/donald-trump-taxes-apprentice.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Mr. Trump with Mark Burnett, the creator of the television show “The Apprentice.”      Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times

Tax records show that “The Apprentice” rescued Donald J. Trump, bringing him new sources of cash and a myth that would propel him to the White House.

                                                                                                                  

By  Mike McIntire,  Russ Buettner and  Susanne Craig 

Sept. 28, 2020

From the back seat of a stretch limousine heading to meet the first contestants for his new TV show “The Apprentice,” Donald J. Trump bragged that he was a billionaire who had overcome financial hardship.

                                                              

“I used my brain, I used my negotiating skills and I worked it all out,” he told viewers. “Now, my company is bigger than it ever was and stronger than it ever was.”

                                                              

It was all a hoax.

                                                                                                                            

Months after that inaugural episode in January 2004, Mr. Trump filed his individual tax return reporting $89.9 million in net losses from his core businesses for the prior year. The red ink spilled from everywhere, even as American television audiences saw him as a savvy business mogul with the Midas touch.

                                                              

Twelve years later, that image of the self-made, self-saved mogul, beamed into the national consciousness, would help fuel Mr. Trump’s improbable election to the White House.

                                                              

But while the story of “The Apprentice” is by now well known,  the president’s tax returns  reveal another grand twist that has never been truly told — how the popularity of that fictional alter ego rescued him, providing a financial lifeline to reinvent himself yet again. And then how, in an echo of the boom-and-bust cycle that has defined his business career, he led himself toward the financial shoals he must navigate today.

                                                              

Mr. Trump’s genius, it turned out, wasn’t running a company. It was making himself famous — Trump-scale famous — and monetizing that fame.

                                                                                                                            

By analyzing  the tax  records, The New York Times was able to place a value on Mr. Trump’s celebrity. While the returns show that he earned some $197 million directly from “The Apprentice” over 16 years — roughly in line with what  he has claimed  — they also reveal that an additional $230 million flowed from the fame associated with it.

                                                                                          
    Tax records show that Donald Trump earned $197 million directly from “The Apprentice,” and $230 million from licensing and endorsement deals that followed.    Bill Tompkins/Getty Images
                                  

The show’s big ratings meant that everyone wanted a piece of the Trump brand, and he grabbed at the opportunity to rent it out. There was $500,000 to pitch Double Stuf Oreos, another half-million to sell Domino’s Pizza and $850,000 to push laundry detergent.

                                                              

There were seven-figure licensing deals with hotel builders, some with  murky backgrounds,  in former Soviet republics and other developing countries. And there were  schemes  that exploited misplaced trust in the TV version of Mr. Trump, who, off camera, peddled worthless get-rich-quick nostrums like  “Donald Trump Way to Wealth”  seminars that promised initiation into “the secrets and strategies that have made Donald Trump a billionaire.”

                                                              

Just as, years before, the money Mr. Trump  secretly received from his father  allowed him to assemble a  wobbly  collection of Atlantic City casinos and other disparate enterprises that then collapsed around him, the new influx of cash helped finance a buying spree that saw him snap up golf resorts, a business not known for easy profits. Indeed, the tax records show that his golf properties have been hemorrhaging millions of dollars for years.

                                                              

In response to a request for comment, a White House spokesman, Judd Deere, did not dispute any specific facts. Instead, he delivered a broad attack, calling the article “fake news” and “yet another politically motivated hit piece full of inaccurate smears” appearing “before a presidential debate.”

                                                              

Unlocking the mysteries of Mr. Trump’s wealth has been attempted many times with varying degrees of success — an exercise made difficult by the opaque nature of his businesses, his penchant for exaggerations and lies, and his willingness to  threaten  or  sue  those who question his rosy narratives. He has gone to extraordinary lengths to maintain secrecy, most notably his refusal to honor 40 years of presidential tradition and release his tax returns.

                                                              

This article is based on an examination of data from those returns, which include personal and business tax filings for Mr. Trump and his companies spanning   more than two decades. Every dollar is disclosed for the first time: $8,768,330 paid to him by ACN, a multilevel marketing company that was accused of taking advantage of vulnerable investors; $50,000 from the Lifetime channel for a “juicy nighttime soap” that never materialized; $5,026 in net income from a short-lived mortgage business; and $15,286,244 from licensing his name to a line of mattresses.

                                                              

In addition, it draws on interviews and previously unreported material from other sources, including hundreds of internal documents from Bayrock Group, an influential early licensing partner whose ties to Russia would come back to haunt the president as questions swirled about his own dealings there.

                                                              

Together, the new information provides the most authoritative look yet at a critical period in Mr. Trump’s business career that laid the foundation, and provided something of a preview,  of  his personality-based and fact-bending presidency.

                                                                                         

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metmike: So it's not surprising that Trump would not want to release his tax records. What's interesting is that the Times actually confirms something that I had always assumed was a big lie by Trump......as the truth. That he is under an audit with the IRS and doesn't want to release his taxes until that is over(I actually can understand that after seeing all  this bad stuff because the IRS will be under extreme political pressure to rule against him in that audit now)

From the Times:

Also hanging over him is a decade-long audit battle with the Internal Revenue Service over the legitimacy of a $72.9 million tax refund that he claimed, and received, after declaring huge losses. An adverse ruling could cost him more than $100 million.


metmike: The IRS person who broke the law to provide this history of Trump to the Times certainly is willing to risk time in prison to help the Times defeat President Trump.

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By mcfarm - Sept. 29, 2020, 5:04 p.m.
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tonite is about law and order and the economy Mike. This tax thing is another miserable smear attempt hat will not register with voters. Trump did write the tax laws. People like Biden did. Trump did not break any tax laws, he used them like everybody else does to avoid a huge tax bill. The hypocrisy of the left at its greatest, a 47 year government employee who never risk a thing in his entire life telling all others how to do it. Thanks Biden but just go away you fool.

By metmike - Sept. 29, 2020, 5:52 p.m.
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Thanks mcfarm,

I agree. 


One of the more telling facts that the Times mentions is that Trump paid no taxes in 10 out of 15 years. ...........but they never tell us what he paid in taxes during those other 5 years.

This is dishonest reporting by the Times because the average person, making a salary or wage pays pretty much close to the same amount of tax every year and can't imagine, not paying any taxes for a large number of those years.

As a trader, I used to be massively successful from the mid 90's to late 2000's. 

There were a couple of years that I paid a 6 figure amount just in fed taxes. But there were several years that I lost money. 

Guess how much in tax I paid in those years? 

Not only did I not pay taxes, my high priced tax accountant(that charged $200/hour) got me a refund from previous taxes that I paid when I made a massive amount of money.

I still ended up paying my fair share without using loopholes and tricks like Trump probably did  but not paying taxes in years of losses is not uncommon in high risk taking professions.

It looks like Trump made a couple of billion on his tv show and endorsements. Why did they not report what he paid in taxes in those years?


Also, he paid one of the best tax experts to do his taxes legally, using the laws to save him the most money. Trump did not do his own taxes. 


So I certainly would not be interested in investing my money in one of Trumps business ventures. It looks like he has a history of making many bad decisions there.

I also would not be interested on getting moral advice from him or using him as an example for character traits or honesty, sadly enough.  It would be wonderful to have a president that could at least pretend to have these traits. 

My favorite president has always been  Jimmy Carter because he had those traits, even though he failed because of his policies.

But with Trump, for me the main thing to look at is his agenda and actions as president.

Are they good for America or not? Has he followed thru with actions consistent with his promises?

Is Bidens agenda good for America or not?

Since I am for socialized medicine, Biden wins on this one, very important part of the equation. 

On every other item, Trumps agenda and actions blow away Biden. 

We are hiring Trump or Biden to do the job of president of the United States.