Deadliest Days in American History
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Started by joj - Dec. 10, 2020, 6:47 a.m.

1.  Galveston Hurricane - 8000

2.  Antietam - 3600

3.  September 11, 2001 - 2977

4.  Last Thursday - 2861

5.  Last Wednesday - 2762

6.  Last Tuesday - 2461

7.  Last Friday - 2439

8.  Pearl Harbor - 2403

WEAR A MASK AND AVOiD PUBLIC GATHERINGS!

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By TimNew - Dec. 10, 2020, 12:10 p.m.
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Roughly 8,000 people die in the US every day, the leading cause remains cardiovascular.   

Hyperbole like the above is why so many don't take legitimate warnings seriously.

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 3:38 p.m.
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The story behind the chilling 'Deadliest Days in American History' meme

https://www.sfgate.com/cnet/article/The-story-behind-the-chilling-Deadliest-Days-in-15789830.php

Carey says her post wasn't just a spur-of-the-moment idea.

                

"The list ranks the deadliest days in American history, including the 1900 hurricane in Galveston, Texas; the Civil War Battle of Antietam in 1862; the 1906 San Francisco earthquake; the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and others.

                        

Then comes the gut punch: Mixed in with those infamous historical events are recent days, simply identified as "last Thursday" or "last Tuesday," with the national death toll of coronavirus fatalities for each day listed.

                    

"Hard to believe we are here," she wrote. "And that it's only going to get worse. Stay HOME. Wear a mask."

"I had been thinking about the climbing COVID death numbers for days, weeks," she told me. As the Dec. 7 anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack approached, she happened to be reading City of Girls by Elizabeth Gilbert, a novel set in the 1940s, and was struck by how the Americans in the book pulled together and united to win the war.

                    "The stark differences between American society's reaction to Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and this pandemic hit me so strongly," she said, also giving credit to a similar graphic she saw. She used the best available estimates for the various historical death tolls, and pulled the numbers of COVID-19 deaths from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's COVID Data Tracker.

                The graphic has been widely circulated, which surprised Carey.

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 3:42 p.m.
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VERIFY: Yes, some of the deadliest days in US history have happened in December 2020

    

A viral chart shows daily COVID-19 deaths this month surpassing Pearl Harbor and nearing 9/11, but some additional context is needed.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-december-seen-some-deadliest-days-in-us-history/507-b6a61e57-aa78-4911-b19c-c4a2576f301f


Have we seen some of the deadliest days in U.S. history in December 2020? Is this claim accurate?

                                                                

THE ANSWER:

                                                                

Yes. The post leaves out a few key historical events and other context, but that doesn't change the core claim about December 2020 having some of the deadliest days in U.S. history.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data shows that since the start of December, COVID-19 deaths have placed at least five days in the top 10 deadliest days in American history.

                                                                

WHAT WE FOUND:

                                                                

The chart numbers are accurate or at least within estimated ranges.

                The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration confirms that the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 was estimated to have killed about 8,000 people.

        National Park Service records confirm that the Civil War battle at Antietam resulted in about 3,600 deaths and that the attack on Pearl Harbor resulted in about 2,400 deaths.

                                                               The final “9/11 Commission Report”estimated that nearly 3,000 people died in the attacks at the World Trade Center, Pentagon and in the crash in Shanksville, Pa.

The COVID-19 deaths, which are ranked numbers four through seven on the list, are pulled directly from the CDC’s “COVID Data Tracker.”

While the numbers in the image are accurate, the graph does leave out three different events that would currently still rank higher:

                              The flu pandemic in 1918. Exact daily death counts from the 1918 pandemic are not available, but the CDC estimates that in October 1918 alone, roughly 195,000 people died from the virus. That comes to an average 6,300 deaths per day and it’s likely the peak numbers were higher.

   Also, the chart is titled "Deadliest Days in American History," but is more about specific events than days. The numbers do not include deaths that happened on those days that are not specifically tied to those events.

                 Despite the omissions of certain historical events, the core claim of the chart is accurate. Since December 2020 started, we’ve seen multiple days of COVID-19 deaths that would rank in the top 10 deadliest days in U.S. history.

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 3:44 p.m.
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                NEWEST YET: COVID Data December 10, 2020            

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                Started by metmike - Nov. 13, 2020, 4:40 p.m.            


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/61206/

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 4:01 p.m.
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I get Tim's point too that this is a sickness and many of the other thing are natural disasters and wars.


Sort of like comparing apples and oranges and grapes but if COVID is the apples....................that's alot of rotten apples )-:

By joj - Dec. 10, 2020, 6:01 p.m.
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Taiwan hasn’t had a single community transmission of Corona virus in over 200 days!!!

A lot of rotten apples in countries that don’t wear masks! 

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 6:30 p.m.
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Except that Taiwan attributes the most important reason for their success to contact tracing.

...........and you forgot to mention that they are on an island and have tremendous control of who gets in.

Taiwan just went 200 days without a locally transmitted Covid-19 case. Here's how they did it

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/asia/taiwan-covid-19-intl-hnk/index.html

"The government also invested in mass testing and quick and effective contact tracing. 

Former Taiwanese Vice President Chen Chien-jen, who is an epidemiologist by training, said lockdowns are not ideal. Chen also said that the type of mass-testing schemes undertaken in mainland China, where millions of people are screened when a handful of cases are detected, are also unnecessary.

"Very careful contact tracing, and very stringent quarantines of close contacts are the best way to contain Covid-19," he said."


The biggest example of how the US blew it badly was how they actually encouraged people to gather by the thousands(millions overall) to protest crammed together, while shouting for hours in many cases. 

But to make things even worse, as if it were designed to intentionally spread COVID, contact tracers were not allowed to ask people if they'd been to a protest because it would violate their civil rights.

Then, absurdly we were constantly told all Summer "There is no evidence that protesting spreads COVID"

The most contagious pandemic in human history spreading everywhere, even in small groups.............somehow did not spread with over a million people smashed together. And they still claim that was the case.

If we can turn a climate optimum into a climate crisis/emergency..........nothing surprises me anymore. People will believe anything if their favorite sources tell them its so.

                Covering up massive COVID being spread from protests-8/8 update below            

                            29 responses |             

                Started by metmike - July 30, 2020, 7:28 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/57070/

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 6:46 p.m.
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With regards to CLOTH masks. 

We've had a strict rule regarding wearing masks here since July in Vanderburgh County IN. 

You must wear a mask at any business or event indoors. You are not allowed in without one. Even outdoor events.

Our hospitals are filled up with COVID patients and are turning sick people away. 


If you want a mask to protect you, it must be an N-95 mask. Those are the only ones that can filter out particles as small as a virus. If you were in a crowd with your N-95 mask, then when you get home, use another one in case that one was contaminated but don't throw it away. You can use it again in a week. The virus can only live for a week at most in a mask. When you go out, just make sure the mask hasn't been used in an area that could have been contaminated by COVID for a week and its good to go. Or you can sterilize it and use it right away. 

You can use a cloth mask if it makes you feel better(and it will help protect other people from you if you have COVID) but don't let it provide a false sense of security........which is how cloth masks can actually cause people to get COVID. Avoid crowds unless you have an N-95 mask. If you go into a crowd and somebody has COVID and you have a cloth mask and think your safe to be close to that person..........think again. The cloth mask can filter out some large water vapor aerosals that might have COVID but if there's COVID contaminated air around you and you are wearing a cloth mask............you will breathe that air in and none of the COVID will be filtered out. That is the solid science. Cloth masks do not filter out COVID. 

Cloth masks work well for keeping an infected person who is coughing or sneezing from launching COVID laced projectiles in those aerosols as far as 20 feet away. They will still be exhaling and shedding the same amount COVID as if they were not wearing a mask but the periphery of the COVID plume surrounding them will be shrunk way down. If you are practicing good social distancing, you are less likely to breath in that COVID contaminated air that is closer to them. 

But make no mistake, the cloth masks do NOT filter out COVID, the N-95 masks do. 

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 8:47 p.m.
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Interesting that this was one of the other strategies that Taiwan employed to keep CORONA cases so low on their island. 

The US coronavirus travel ban could backfire. Here's how

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/health/coronavirus-travel-ban/index.html

By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN

Updated 7:37 AM ET, Fri February 7, 2020

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 (CNN)Experts say travel restrictions the Trump administration put in place to stop the novel coronavirus from spreading could have unintended consequences that undermine that effort.

It's been days since the US restrictions went into effect, blocking foreign nationals who've visited China in the past two weeks from coming to the US. 

Details about the US travel ban's impact are still emerging. But some are already urging the US to reconsider.

"All of the evidence we have indicates that travel restrictions and quarantines directed at individual countries are unlikely to keep the virus out of our borders," Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told lawmakers on Capitol Hill this week. "These measures may exacerbate the epidemic's social and economic tolls. And can make us less safe."

The director-general of the World Health Organization also weighed in this week, calling on countries not to impose travel restrictions."

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Coronavirus quarantine, travel ban could backfire, experts fear

The government has broad legal authority to detain people in the name of public health. But politically and diplomatically, it’s more complicated.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

By ALICE MIRANDA OLLSTEIN

Updated:


The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers.

The World Health Organization’s top official on Tuesday repeated concern that moves that interfere with transportation and trade could harm efforts to address the crisis


By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 9:06 p.m.
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Correct me if I'm wrong joj.


1. Tawain says that contact tracing and restricting the movement of infected people they identified  was at the top of the list for effectively managing COVID. In the US, the massive protesting that spread COVID, encouraged by Democrats and the MSM and orders for contact tracers to NOT ASK infected people  if they were at a protest did the 100% opposite of this. If we were intentionally trying to spread COVID and not track it............this was the recipe.

2. Tawain is on an island and also touted their ability to keep people out that might be infected as an effective measure in keeping COVID low. When Trump did this to keep out residents of China, the source of COVID in the earliest stage of the pandemic(start of Feb) he was condemned for almost a month by the MSM and dems as a xenophobe for doing it. Funny how the story they told about this later in the year, claimed they didn't do this. They did. Nancy Pelosi went to China Town in late February to tell people to come join the big crowds.......nothing to be afraid of. 

3. Tawain says that strict lockdowns like those imposed by China are NOT needed. This is exactly what Trump says.

4. Trump had numerous rallies with thousands of people stationary, inside in some cases and shouting with no masks and zero social distancing.......spreading COVID with absolute certainty. I have called this the dumbest thing that a president has ever done in our country's history.

5. Trump has not been a big advocate on mask wearing.  I am a huge advocate for N-95 masks. N-95 masks work. I only wear this kind of mask and do it everywhere. There is a massive failure by everybody........... Trump, the MSM, both parties, Fauci..........EVERYBODY in not telling people the truth about masks. They need N-95 masks to be protected. There is a fear that health care workers will not have enough N-95 masks if people knew the truth about masks,  so they are fed bs propaganda about cloth masks and people are catching COVID all over the place wearing cloth masks in some cases, because they think cloth masks will protect them. They don't. 

6. All the COVID rules for every state and local community are determined by those states and local governments/communities following the Constitution. There has been no national mandates as there should not be. However, Biden is saying that he will put into affect a national mandate to wear a (cloth) mask for 100 days.  WTF. Does he not realize that most places with bad COVID have had mask mandates for numerous months now and the record increase in cases is happening there too? We've had a mask mandate since July and people are getting turned away from hospitals. 

7. Something to think about. When you tell people that cloth masks help to protect them, they feel a false sense of security and instead of minimizing contact with others and completely avoiding being close to a crowd(which they would with no mask) they think that a cloth mask will allow them to take more risk...............and thats just what some of them have been doing. And they catch COVID because a cloth mask cannot filter out particles as small as the COVID virus. An N-95 mask will filter out something like 95% of them. 

By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 9:34 p.m.
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N95 Masks vs. Surgical Masks vs. Cloth Masks: What's the Difference?

        6/10/20                                    
Revised: 12/7/20                        
Grainger Editorial Staff        

https://www.grainger.com/know-how/health/airborne-contaminants-noise-hazards/respiratory-protection/kh-n95-masks-vs-surgical-masks-vs-cloth-masks

Cloth masks

"There is evidence that COVID-19 can be transmitted by people who don't have symptoms. In December 2020, the CDC cited estimates that around half of COVID-19 infections are transmitted by people who have no symptoms. Wearing cloth masks helps slow the spread of  the virus, which is primarily transmitted from person to person through respiratory droplets produced when we talk, cough or sneeze. 

Masks are particularly important in places where social distancing is hard to maintain, especially in areas where there is significant community-based transmission.

  • While cloth masks and disposable face coverings can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and other illnesses-by keeping people that have it from spreading it, they are not considered personal protective equipment (PPE)."

Surgical masks

Surgical masks are not considered respiratory protection. According to the CDC, they don't provide reliable protection from inhaling smaller airborne particles. Medical masks fall into three levels of barrier protection, which are described as follows by healthcare services company Cardinal Health:

N95 masks

  • Filtering facepiece N95 respirators offer more protection against airborne particles than surgical masks or cloth face covers, because they are intended to be tight-fitting and can filter both large and small particles, including aerosols.
  • N95 masks are tested and certified by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) to ensure that the filtering facepiece can remove at least 95% of airborne particles..including COVID.
  • N95 respirators are not to be worn by the general public as protection from COVID-19 per the CDC, to help optimize the supply for people respirators most.
By metmike - Dec. 10, 2020, 9:49 p.m.
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This is the reason that they are not telling us the truth about cloth masks and N95 masks.

Supplies of N95 masks running low as COVID-19 surges

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ppe-n95-mask-shortage-covid-19/


"3M's monthly production of N95 respirators in the U.S. alone will have increased from 22 million in 2019 to 95 million by the end of 2020, a spokesperson said."

metmike: At 95,000,000 masks/month in the US from just this company, that should be plenty enough for everybody to get at least one of these masks! And they should. 

Here is whats so dumb.

In most medical settings, they go thru these masks so fast because they consider them disposable. If you use a mask around infected people, you need to get another mask because the first one, will have captured COVID and be contaminated.

So throw out the first one to use a new one and repeat this over and over?


NO, NO, NO!!!! This is dumb!

Covid can only survive for 7 days maximum in a mask. If you use a mask on Monday, you can take it off at the end of the day and re use the same mask NEXT Monday and it will be sterile.  Every health care worker should be issued 7 masks, one for each day of the week. Not given a new mask every day.  After 3 months, they will still be using their 7 masks, instead of 90 masks if they are using a new one every day.  There are also ways to effectively  sterilize them but those can compromise their integrity and reduce their longevity.


I bought 40 dust respirator N-95 masks 15 years ago and still have half of them left.