Trump is not going to release his healthcare plan.
and we are starting to think Vandy never left at all
Oh Heck, you're not comparing JOJ to Vandy are ya McFarm? I mean, JOJ is almost always wrong, but he's almost never maiicious.. :-)
It's weird tho. I See the same statement appearing on my Facebook feed from some liberal friends. It's like they get memos..
The funny thing. Trump did have a healhcare package that would do a lot to help prices. Drug prices had already started coming down. And the price transparancy bill that would force providers to make prices public would do lots to control/reduce costs. But to a liberal, unless the government takes everything over and makes all the decsions for you, it's not a "package"...
If Trump had a healthcare plan, beyond the talking point in the debates of allowing interstate markets, I don't recall it. But if he actually did have a plan, McConnell is the reason it didn't happen. Whatever Mitch says Trump can have domestically.
And I thought we established that I'm a conservative in that thread last week. If you're going to call me a liberal, you might as well call me a BLM, socialist, tax hiking, dope smoking, baby killing liberal. Don't hold back. :-)
I mean, JOJ is almost always wrong, but he's almost never maiicious.. :-)
Funny Tim.
joj has never been close to having a warning for any of his posts. Vandy was actually suspended something like 7 times including those by Alex.
Maybe somebody from the extreme right doesn't see much difference/lumps them together but trust me, joj has some wonderful points that you can learn from if you have an open mind.
You have some 20,000 armed military on guard plus plain clothes out the wassu. Much smaller crowd of people watching, all with I.D cards which you hope went to the correct people. You don't know what might happen. Millions of citizens don't think this transfer of power is on the up and up.
And you still insist on calling this a peace full transfer of power???
Who else in the western world has this much military protection to install a new leader???
This is what banana republics do
"This is what banana republics do"
Or when the defeated president convinces tens of millions of people that the election was stolen from him, when it was the opposite.........the most secure election in history!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2020-election-secure-history-federal-security
I would respect them a whole lot more, if they admitted that there were some problems (actually a lot of problems) with this election, and that they would try their best to make it better next time, but making a false statement like the one above, makes the People only more angry.
Original release date: November 12, 2020
metmike: We have their statement above, contrasted with those coming from President Trump for 2 months that stated the complete opposite.
He and his side made hundreds of allegations of widespread/systemic fraud, doing countless investigations and court challenges.
His side came up completely empty. If I'm wrong, then please show me one legit case of proven fraud that came close to affecting the thousands of votes that would have been needed for just 1 of the several states that would have been needed to flip the election to Trump as winner.
We sometimes hear that there was no absolute proof that the voting machines were not affected by fraud.
The side attempting to prove there was fraud actually gave us that proof that there was no fraud by using the scientific method.
With the scientific method, when you put forth a theory or statement, you put it out there for others to try their darndest to prove wrong. It's when they do their best to prove you wrong but are unable to do that..............which proves that you are right.
Trump and others on that side threw everything but the kitchen sink at trying to convince people that there was systemic major fraud. All their hard work and investigating and demands (3 hand recounts of the votes in Georgia for example), turning up nothing big. This paid big dividends. It proved without a shadow of a doubt for us, that the election was secure.
With the exception of the fraudulent Mueller investigation, there was more effort used to try to prove election fraud in 2020 than any other time in history.
Mueller and his corrupt gang came up empty in 2016 but they did manage to drag it out for 2.5 years, allowing the MSM and dems a very long period to etch the bs collusion and Russia narratives into the brains of people on the left.
Trump and his gang only had 2 months..........with no cooperation from the swamp/deep state and MSM(just the opposite)
But he was even more effective in many ways of convincing the far right of the bs narrative, that the election was stolen, especially motivating them to take action.
The saddest part about this story is that the response to the last 2 very secure presidential elections by the losing side has been to try to convince their base that the election was stolen by nefarious entities.
Completely different tactics both times.
Trump's tactic backfired badly on him. It got him impeached as well as causing the riots earlier this month and great damage to peoples confidence on a very secure election system.
After the 2016 election, the corrupt Mueller team and those who got the investigation started by unethical/illegal means to take out Trump.................PAID NO PENALTY. And as a bonus, they made Trump and his associates look bad from crimes that they created FROM their investigation, almost none of which were related to the purpose of the investigation and most of which did not even exist before they opened the investigation.
All the time, it provided fuel for the MSM and Dems to batter Trump with false allegations. When the truth came out, Trump did NOT collude with Russia, people had already been convinced that he did.
So, ironically, that investigation proved that Trump did NOT collude with Russia and that the 2016 election of Donald Trump was legit.............using the scientific method.........because they could not prove it wasn't legit but it tricked people into thinking otherwise.
“…But he was even more effective in many ways of convincing the far right of the bs narrative, that the election was stolen, especially motivating them to take action….”
I cannot speak for the millions of people who believe the election was “stolen”… and I am certainly not from the “far right”, nor am I a “Trumpster”
I can only speak for myself… and I have never paid much attention to Trump’s comments about the election being “stolen”. I can only relate to what I have seen and read myself.
Dead people voting, is definitely “election fraud”, but meaningless in terms of election outcome.
Voter participation of 125% is definitely election fraud, but it would be difficult to prove who did what.
Barring republican “observers” from entering counting offices stinks to heaven, but doesn’t prove anything in court.
Hundreds of Affidavits describing either wrong doing or fraud....
My focus was mostly on the “vote switching”, which this committee denies it ever happened.
First, Michigan officials admitted that some 6000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden… supposedly by a “computer glitch”. (as a software developer, I can’t quite imagine how such a “glitch” can be in as important a piece of software as this)
Then I saw how 19,958 votes were taken from Trump and 19,958 votes given to Biden, in the state of Pennsylvania (on CNN, no less).
Then another forensic study showed some 17,000 being switched from Trump to Biden (I believe, this was also in the State of Pennsylvania).
At a later time, during the Georgia local election, I saw a video of exactly 5000 votes being subtracted from the Republican candidate (but they were not added to the other one). By that time, I had already given up about expecting anything in this election being honest, and I didn’t bother to download the clip.
As of today, nobody has given me a good explanation, how all these “switches” have happened. If they were really “computer glitches”, they would randomly affect different candidates… but all of the switching from Trump to Biden??? As a software-knowlegable person, I must suspect that these switches were done intentionally, most likely from outside operators.
In conclusion, I cannot say that the election was “stolen” from Trump. I have no way of coming up with concrete numbers, and I must accept Biden winning the election, even though it may be with a much smaller margin than officially stated.
I also agree with you that Trump’s complaining backfired on him… it gave his enemies the opportunity to ridicule him
But, telling us that there “was no switching” and that this was the “most secure election in history”…that is most certainly not the truth.
We’ve been down this road over a dozen times now Gunter.
Nothing anybody shows you will ever convince you otherwise.
Funny Tim.
joj has never been close to having a warning for any of his posts. Vandy was actually suspended something like 7 times including those by Alex.
That's pretty much what I said. You really can't compare JOJ to Vandy.
As far as Trump's Healthcare, it was released. His objective was mainly to control cost, and anyone paying attention knows the only issue with US Healthcare is cost and that previous government "solutions" were exactly wrong in that regard. He also insisted on covering pre-existing conditions which I think is idiotic. I can see scenarios where pre-existing should be covered, but a blanket inclusion of all cases is contrary to the entire concept of insurance.
Trump unveils health care plan, signs order protecting preexisting conditions (nypost.com)
"As far as Trump's Healthcare, it was released".
Further evidence that Trump was just McConnell's convenient tool.
Infrastructure, Healthcare - Nope.
Tax cuts, deregulation, judges - Yes.
Most secure in history
Rather hard to compare a statement like that
What went on in previous elections to make this the most secure???
Does most secure mean just a small amount, a fair bit, a lot but still the most secure???
You have to have a measurement of what most secure means compared to what???
If compared to previous, which I think the statement really means, still doesn't tell me if just a small amount or???
Please don't tell me this election was squeaky clean
Wayne, watched special on JFK the other nite. That election was bought by the unions and Momo Giancana and JFK and his Dad were head dip in the agreement. And I am not about to tell you this one was any better than 1960. I suppose this one was cleaner than the way the Indians left the Custer battlefield.