just another reason why some many voted for Biden...such deep knowledge
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Started by mcfarm - April 13, 2021, 6:32 p.m.


Joe Biden
@JoeBiden

United States government official
VP on Afghanistan: "We will leave in 2014."
9:10 PM · Oct 11, 2012

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By bear - April 14, 2021, 1:21 p.m.
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i know several folks that voted for biden because they just thought that trump sounded like a jerk too much of the time.

they were not primarily thinking about things like policy, taxes, bureaucracy. 

they also were naive enough to think that biden would actually be a moderate.  (and not a far left flaming liberal).

By WxFollower - April 14, 2021, 1:28 p.m.
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 Biden has so far overall gone more left than I prefer as I'm overall a right of center moderate. But it hardly matters to me what Biden has done or does down the road. Trump needed to go, period. And then when he did what he did with the big lie about the election and the related encouragement of the crowd on January 6th, especially as regards his loyal VP Pence whom he literally asked to violate the Constitution and that he was disappointed that Pence didn't, that told me he was no good and thank heavens he was defeated as that told me he wasn't fit to ever hold office again.

 Obviously, Biden's error about the year leaving Afghanistan was wrong and thus looks bad. But it was just that, an error, What Trump said about injecting disinfectant as he looked toward Dr. Birx  was no error as he meant it. Anyone believing he was being sarcastic as he somehow claimed should get their head examined. He was lying about that. Besides, if he was being sarcastic, what would the reason have been to do so?? It makes no sense!


By metmike - April 14, 2021, 2:03 p.m.
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"What Trump said about injecting disinfectant as he looked toward Dr. Birx  was no error as he meant it."

Thanks Larry,

Since you brought it up, here's the conversations:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/57947/#57948


  Non-fake news on Trump rambling about injecting disinfectant            

                            16 responses 

                         Started by WxFollower - April 26, 2020, 7:54 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51231/


                Busting Fake News on Bleach            

                            8 responses |            

                Started by metmike - April 26, 2020, 12:49 p.m.            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51215/



                and how about the UV treatment of Corona?                        

                4 responses |            

                Started by GunterK - April 26, 2020, 5 p.m.    

        https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51223/

By TimNew - April 14, 2021, 2:13 p.m.
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Injecting disinfectant has been covered here.  Did you miss it?   Are you next movning on to the claim that he told people to drink bleach?   

Set aside the fact the Trump's "Statement" was actually a question.

"Injecting Disinfectant" is actual a form of treatment that has been around for quitre some time. 

Massive doses of Vitamin C break down into hydrogen peroxide, for example.

Hydrogen Peroxide-Inactivation Makes for More Effective Viral Vaccines, Scientists Claim (genengnews.com)

UV "Injection" is nothing new.

Ultraviolet blood irradiation: Is it time to remember “the cure that time forgot”? (nih.gov)


Now I am sure this post will convince you that I am a diehard Trump supporter.   I certainly supported many of his ideas while cringing at most of his rhetoric in what turned out to be a love/hate kind of relationship.   I'll never vote for him again, but I am still amazed at all the blatantly wild untruths that are still regularly passed about.  I prefer to look back as honestly as possible.


By metmike - April 14, 2021, 2:15 p.m.
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Regardless,

What Trump did for 2 months after the election, did more damage to this country than any other president has done in history............by an EXTREMELY wide margin. Any other politician.

Even major enemies have not done that much damage brainwashing people. 

Getting 10's of millions of people........loyal supporters.....to believe that Biden stole the election, when there is no evidence anywhere that supports that.

Yes, there was fraud but its very old to have people defend Trump by saying he was just trying to uncover fraud.

You don't uncover fraud, using lies and a  campaign based on fraud/false allegations.


If you have the truth on your side.........YOU USE THE TRUTH and don't need anything else.

So now we have tens of millions that don't trust our electoral process and may not trust it for a very long time(until their candidates win).

There are people sitting in prison for the rest of their lives with well deserved sentences for their crimes, that did much less damage to our country than what Trump did.

Yes, this was a crime in my opinion. Trump's despicable personality up until losing the election, quickly morphed into a diabolical person. The contrived nature, sustained over 2 months with thousands of incidents involving unethical behavior and lies by his supporters because of Trumps position was unprecedented.

One side is exaggerating what happened during just 1 incident, the insurrection.

That incident represents just a miniscule amount of the damage that Trump caused using his fake stolen election scheme. 



By metmike - April 14, 2021, 2:30 p.m.
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The problem comes when we have 2 sides that totally disagree with each other on trump.

One side saw everything that trump did as bad, the other side, everthing Trump did as good.  

Same event/incident, same guy/Trump, same words but one side often saw it as evil and lying and diabolical.....no matter what.

The other side looked at those same things and came to a different conclusion.


Obviously, both sides were biased but it also boils down to that emotion hate which I lectured about here a dozen+ times.

When you hate somebody, you want every single outcome involving them to turn out badly for them. You interpret every situation with that in mind........even situations when they did nothing wrong. 


By metmike - April 14, 2021, 2:38 p.m.
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Now, we have a similar thing going on with hate for Biden and was even worse with Obama.........but nothing close to Trump.

I think people will justify it and not call it hate but there are different levels of hate and there are alot of republicans that hate Biden. 

Trump was the easiest guy on the planet to hate because his personality was so despicable and he acted in a hateful manner to anybody he disagreed with or did not like.


MLK quote

By TimNew - April 14, 2021, 2:45 p.m.
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Anyone who  has no concerns about the integrity of the last election is simply not paying attention.

Yes,  the counts were accurate,  but no one bothered checking the integrity of the ballots.

A Michigan Judge just ruled that the Michigan Secretary of state blatantly violated election law when she relaxed the requirements for signatures on absentee ballots.   This exact same charge was leveled in several states for the exact same reason.  Millions of absentee ballots.    Surely, everyone who submitted one (or two or three or more....) did so honestly and with no error,  right?  No need to verify anything.

And this is just one of many issues.


Michigan judge rules secretary of state violated election law by unilaterally changing absentee voting rules | Washington Examiner

By metmike - April 14, 2021, 3:01 p.m.
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Tim,

Your spinning of posts calling Trump out for what he did as being somebody that is overlooking the real fraud get older and older each time that you do it.

I spent more time looking for and uncovering real fraud and fake fraud since the election than anybody I know personally. My posts reflect the facts/evidence..........and there was tons of it. 

And each time, I'll just continue to show you stuff like this:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67047/#67104


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67047/#67106


Do you think that you will ever fully acknowledge what Trump did for 2 months after the election(without making it appear as if he was just investigating real fraud).  I have a  dozen or so threads that documented  the corrupt post election things that he and his side  did for 2 months if that might help you.

By TimNew - April 15, 2021, 2:29 a.m.
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I am not talking about Trump.   I am talking about potentials for fraud that continue to be uncovered.   We now KNOW of 3.1 million cases for potential fraud in Michigan.  1 state which, BTW, had a margin 0f 147k in the last election.

Sadly, the Michigan State Supremes rejected an audit at the time and I am not sure the audit is possible now.

Maybe there is a world somewhere where no one would take advantage of millions of absentee ballots with no verification of who actually cast them, whether it was a legitimate vote,  but this ain't that world.

By bear - April 15, 2021, 10:53 a.m.
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sorry metmike, i have to say you are very wrong.  countries go down the drain because of too much taxation, too much bureaucracy, too much socialism, too much military expansion, too much debt, and all this is tied to debasing the currency.  as the currency goes down the drain, eventually the country goes down the drain.

in terms of policy, biden is far more dangerous to america than trump.  

i dislike trump,  but in terms of policy, biden is far worse.  


By metmike - April 15, 2021, 1:43 p.m.
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Thanks much bear,

Did you read my posts?

I didn't say anything about policies(I greatly preferred and defended Trumps) or who was the better president. In fact, in several copied posts that were long winded dissertations defending him on the "bleach/disinfectant" issue.

My comments were mainly about what Trump did after the election to obliterate peoples confidence in the electoral process to perpetrate his fake Biden steal scam.

The usual response is "but metmike, there really was fraud"

That one is getting old. I already showed metmike spending alot of posts/times in the discovery and investigation process revealing REAL fraud here and copied it tons of times..........even before Trump claimed there was fraud.

What I discovered was that the greatest fraud by several orders of magnitude came from Trump and company making tons and tons of proven to be, false allegations and made up or frivolous  stuff. 

The damage to Americans and the confidence in our electoral process is much greater than damage intentionally created by any president in history by an extremely wide margin. 

Some republicans are just unable to see that because their minds have been captured by the months of propaganda. Again, I was a strong supporter of Trump agenda for 4 years but I don't go to far right information sites that interpret the news for us to decide what to think.

I DO go to those sites, however. To find out what they are stating to cause OTHER PEOPLE to think the way they do.............just like I go to sources on the far left to see what they are saying, which dictates what people going there think they know. I also can see when they make good points.

Sometimes the far right really nails something that's being censored by the MSM. When that happens, everyone on that side, uses it as evidence to believe EVERYTHING from that source, even the 90% political bs from the same source.

None of the far right sites acknowledge what Trump actually did after the election and the permanent damage that it did to this country.

Thus, people that go there, do not acknowledge it. 

By TimNew - April 16, 2021, 2:18 a.m.
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The usual response is "but metmike, there really was fraud"

That one is getting old. I already showed metmike spending alot of posts/times in the discovery and investigation process revealing REAL fraud here and copied it tons of times..........even before Trump claimed there was fraud.


Actually, whats really getting old is your continued insistence that there was no significant fraud in spite of lots of indications to the contrary.  You constantly claim "I  have already debunked that" then post reams of unrelated conversations as evidence.

Have you answered the question as to why the Michigan Supreme court, in a 4-3 split decision , refused to look at evidence, allow audits?  Did you read and address the dissenting opinion?  This was also the case in several states.  I offered more documentation,  but waited for you to get through the Michigan decision.  This was your basis for the claim that all of the suits were frivilous and without merit.  I know of several State Supreme Courts Justices  that would disagree.  But you have chosen to not explain why those dissensions are faulty, in spite of numerous opportunities.

Have you reviewed the recent decision by the Michigan Judge that the SOS blatantly overstepped and and violated Michigan Election Law?  This exact same charge was made in several states for the exact same reasons.  More of those frivilous Law Suits I suppose.  Anyway,  because of "Emergency Covid Issues",  validation of signatures on absentee ballots were pretty much suspended.  Anyone could file  an absentee ballot for anyone else.  And there were 3.1 Million absentee ballots cast in Michigan.  3.1 Million opportunities for fraud.

In a world where there was an onslaught of disinformation  aimed at discrediting Trump, where he was impeached twice on manufactured nonsense, where government officials were captured on tape and in writing plotting to make sure he was not even elected,  etc. etc.,   are you really confident that no one would try to take advantage of 3.1 million opportunities for fraud?  Sadly, the audits that were requested were rejected, and I don't think they can be done now.   But if any of the signature audits are conducted,  that will prove or disprove my allegations/suspicions.

Trump blew it with me when he talked about computers being hacked and votes counts being tampered with.  That was all disproved early on.    It looks to me like the damage was done well before the counts were even tallied.


By metmike - April 16, 2021, 3:05 a.m.
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You've morphed into speculation and blaming the Supreme Court for faulty decisions and insist that I have to prove there was no fraud.

I already proved a dozen times that those alleging fraud were the ones using fraud. 

If there was massive fraud, it's not up to people to prove there was no massive fraud....it's entirely up to somebody like you to prove there was fraud.

My proof is the results of the election as accepted by almost everybody............but you dont want to accept that proof because you speculate that tons of fraud took place to get those results.

It's on you to show why MY PROOF is not correct. Why the 3 hand recounts in the state of Georgia..............STILL GOT IT WRONG.

How many more times do you need the proof?


Instead of speculating what could have happened theoretically, show the proof  that shows my proof in not valid please.

I showed you the dozen of failed attempts using fake fraud. People just don't resort to using tons of fake fraud, if there is an abundance of LEGIT fraud to use, why would they do that Tim.

It's now April and you still haven't shown me any proven widespread fraud. Stating that it was there but the courts were biased and they just were not allowed to do investigations to find it .....because then, they could have busted them and found all the fraud................if only, if only. Wild speculation with no evidence.

The burden of proof is on you Tim.  

Trump and associates doing investigations and pushing court cases, numbered in the many hundreds at least, and they spent millions of dollars. 

Your telling me that they came up with squat because the courts or some other entities were able to cover it all up? So they had to resort to making  most of it up?

This position of yours is impossible to defeat because its all speculative. I can't prove to you that your speculations are false because the proof, is the election results and you don't accept them, so you don't accept the proof that the people in the system, the courts,the machines and most people have  accepted.

The proof is what happened on Nov. 4th, followed by dozens of attempts to try to invalidate it that totally failed as did every investigation.

I mean, really. It's not like, out of the 6 states that they targeted, because those were the ones that Trump had the best chance to overturn the results in(not because those were the only states with fraud) that they even came close in just 1 state. They failed miserably in 6 out of 6 states in showing widespread fraud.

If not, then where is it please? REAL fraud that we count in REAL votes please, not theoretical, speculative or unproven.

By mcfarm - April 16, 2021, 8:31 a.m.
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well this post started with the corruption and lack of knowledge by one small criminal man, Biden. For a shock of reality WX you said Biden made a mistake. Well dude you might wnt to just peak once in while at Bidens past foreign policy blunders.......You could spend the rest of this day reading about these "mistakes" that cost us trillions and many brave soldiers....not that bothers Biden and his corrupt family one iota.

By TimNew - April 16, 2021, 10:06 a.m.
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You're right,  the burden is on the people who would like to have answers that have been systemically stonewalled. We now KNOW that the rule changes that made up a large part of original objections were illegal, at least in Michigan.  We KNOW the voter roles were hopelessly flawed and inaccurate.  We KNOW there was inadequate verification of id/signatures on absentee ballots.

Can we still get audits of ballots?   I don't think so.  Will it make a difference if we do and find massive quantities of invalid or illegal ballots?   Probably not. Maybe we'll see some tightening up of identification requirements.  We're already getting those and you know how well that's recieved by the party that insists there was no fraud.   Why do you suppose they'd lie about what's in the bill?  Doesn't that raise your curiosity a bit?

Looking at the above KNOWN facts,  I don't know how anyone can say, with confidence, that they are certain there was no significant fraud in that election.  There are still far more questions than answers, and the powers that be have refused all requests for audits.  I would think they'd want all the transparency they could get to maintain confidence in the system...  

By metmike - April 16, 2021, 12:50 p.m.
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Thanks Tim! 

"I don't know how anyone can say, with confidence, that they are certain there was no significant fraud in that election."

It depends on how you define confidence and significance but for me, the confidence is beyond a shadow of a doubt that Biden clearly won and the fact that the same people who are squawking extremely loudly this time..............said nothing about fraud last time, happily accepting the results then, tells you what the mindset is all about.

Last time, it was the dems squawking about fraud and wanting the recounts(pretending to be Jill Stein to trick us) and claiming that Russia caused the Trump steal and the republicans recognized the results were legit....because their guy won.

Whoever loses...........is a sore loser. Last time was even closer and tougher to accept.  This is coming from somebody with an open mind who looked constantly at every single fraud situation that was pointed out here for 2 months.

Admit it, if Trump had won, all these discussions would never have taken place.......because if Trump had won, the election would have been honest? Yep, that's the correlation in thinking for those who believe in the massive fraud narrative. 

Last time, the dems had theories and speculation on machines being hacked and Russia(which was all made up). This time........theories and speculation and machines hacked and biased courts and refusing to do audits(and numerous times getting busted with fake allegations). 

How many democrats think there was widespread fraud this time?  Near zero

How many republicans think there was widespread fraud last time? Near zero.

Same basic systems, mostly the same people running them, same principles....mostly the same circumstances.......except for the outcomes/results. 

That's your irrefutable correlation!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67047/#67104

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67047/#67106

By TimNew - April 16, 2021, 1:03 p.m.
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I think there is fraud in every election.  I don't think the Russians had much to do with 2016.

I think there was a concerted effort in this last election coupled with "Emergency Covid" rule changes (which are now being ruled illegal)  that made absentee ballots along with historically flawed voter roles very ripe for the picking. 

By metmike - April 16, 2021, 1:59 p.m.
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I agree that this had an effect but the changes in the rules because of COVID were not fraud, they were based on solid reasoning that could be justified using just COVID as the reason.

Pubs may not like that this helped the dems...........and it did but COVID changes could be justified even if it helped the dems. 

No COVID in 2020 and Trump would be president in 2021.

You may wish that were the case and I liked most of his agenda but the already off the charts venom and hatred coming from the other side was about to destroy this country .....and for many people on that side..........with Trump as president, that was exactly the objective. 

It wasn't fraud that beat Trump, it was COVID. 

By TimNew - April 16, 2021, 2:22 p.m.
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When you relax the rules for requirements for ID on Absentee Ballots to the point where they are essentially non-existant, that in itself is not fraud,   but it certainly enables fraud.

I'll never have a problem with legal voters voting anyway they want and I have no problem with allowing them to do so, making it as easy as possible.. As long as reasonable rules are in place to ensure they are legal voters.  I think ID is reasonable and I question the motives of anyone who disagrees.

But this is all still unfolding. It won't get much coverage.  The recent Michigan ruling is significant.  There will be more.     

I really hope there is a sincere audit of 2020 absentee ballots,  but I sincerely doubt it will occur.