Tragedy in TX
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Started by metmike - May 30, 2022, 7:33 p.m.

I strongly support law enforcement in most situations which get overlooked as they risk their lives daily and have to protect us from the most dangerous, criminal element in society.

However, after having most of the facts regarding the mass shooting in TX, they completely failed to take actions for something like 50 minutes from when something could have started.

It's sad to have such a monumental failure by so many. Yes, they are humans but should have been trained properly to do their jobs to help save lives. That IS their most important job by far. Protect innocent lives.

On the bright side, there is no doubt that this massive failure is playing in thousands of school  and police districts across the US and even the world and causing many of them to fine tune their preparations for the next event(that WILL happen) to occur in THEIR community.

Texas shooting timeline: the 911 calls children made during massacre

At least two girls hiding in their classrooms at Robb elementary school in Texas dialled 911 during the shooting, law enforcement officials have said

By metmike - May 30, 2022, 7:34 p.m.
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I'm the chess coach at 5 schools and can tell you about the strict precautions they take with visitors. For 4 of them, you have to hit the button outside the front doors and let them see you with the camera out there and identify who you are and why you're there.

The other one, lets you inside but still has another group of doors that are locked and you can't get thru those, until the secretaries identify you and why you are there.

Then, for any visitors, they still must FIRST pass thru the doors into the secretaries office to identify themselves and get a name tag that authorizes them to then, go into the part  of the building where all the children are.

It's almost fool proof and extremely effective. 

As the well recognized chess coach each week,  they just buzz me in and I don't need a name tag, which would be a waste of time.

I've NEVER seen them fail to apply this strict protocol with strangers. NEVER. 

The profound weak point for all schools at all times would be when the kids are coming early in the morning and at dismissal.

They are no longer locked in for safety.

During dismissal from the, no longer closed doors outside(because they have to be open for kids to get out) , a gunman could easily get in and mow down way more than a classroom's worth of kids. 

Entire grades are out in the hallways and getting ready to come thru the previously closed/locked exits.

Thank God insane mass killers have not been smart enough to figure that one out. They could easily take out several times the kids that have been killed in recent incidents by doing this.

If there are to be effective cops or security at schools, its the early mornings before class starts when they're arriving, then again at dismissal times when they are REALLY needed.

There are also recess times outside with nice weather that I'm not there to observe, when a similar situation might be taking place in some schools at the elementary level.

These are the school that I go to every week...... grades K-6 for Scott, Oak Hill and McCutchanville elementary in Evansville IN.

Grades 7-12 stay locked inside all day.

They are North JH and North HS.

I wouldn't mention them specifically except to brag about their very effective security  system above.

With a similar attempt at these schools above, I believe it would have been extremely UNlikely he could have entered the building when he did!

I'm good friends with the local Vanderburgh Country sheriff, Dave Wedding, so a bit biased but feel extremely confident that they would have went in there much sooner if something similar happened in this area.

By MarkB - May 31, 2022, 3:16 a.m.
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Every law enforcement officer, wants to go home at the end of their shift. As you would want. And as they should.

However. They are not obligated to enter a sitution that would put them in direct harm. There are specific tactical units to handle such situations.

By metmike - May 31, 2022, 12:39 p.m.
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Thanks Mark!

And we got a great example of  what applying your thinking/principle did here.

That's why we need to LEARN FROM IT, not excuse it.

Every person on the planet wants to live, whether they have a family at home or not(which has nothing to do with it).

Some jobs involve risking your life to save innocent lives. That's the job!

Waiting 50 minutes for professionals that specialize in risking their lives under unique circumstances when time is of the essence because they will do a better job at savings lives............WHILE KIDS DIE, is completely counterproductive and counter intuitive.

By metmike - June 1, 2022, 4:29 a.m.
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It's still mind boggling that all those cops would not go in there for almost an hour.

Over a dozen of them, heavily armed, some with bullet proof vests..........only 1 of him.

Pretty sad when onlookers have to tell the cops what there job is.

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

UVALDE, Texas — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman's rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

   "Go in there! Go in there!" nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the close-knit town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.

By metmike - June 1, 2022, 4:44 a.m.
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Texas officers waited more than an hour to confront school shooter as kids kept calling 911

"Go in there! Go in there!" women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who watched the scene from outside a house across the street.

Carranza said the officers should have entered the school sooner: "There were more of them. There was just one of him."

Cazares said that when he arrived, he saw two officers outside the school and about five others escorting students out of the building. But 15 or 20 minutes passed before the arrival of officers with shields, equipped to confront the gunman, he said.

As more parents flocked to the school, he and others pressed police to act, Cazares said. He heard about four gunshots before he and the others were ordered back to a parking lot.

"A lot of us were arguing with the police, 'You all need to go in there. You all need to do your jobs.' Their response was, 'We can't do our jobs because you guys are interfering,"' Cazares said.

A Wall Street Journal report detailed how one of the parents on the scene was handcuffed by federal marshals who accused her of interfering with a police investigation. After local officers convinced their colleagues to set her free, she ran into the school and emerged with her two kids, the paper reported."

By metmike - June 1, 2022, 12:40 p.m.
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(CNN)Pedro "Pete" Arredondo, the embattled Uvalde school police chief who led the flawed law enforcement response to last week's school shooting and has remained out of the public eye since, spoke exclusively to CNN on Wednesday and declined to answer substantive questions about the massacre.

metmike: The overly aggressive manner in which this reporter,  literally blocks the path of this gentleman several times and gets in his face with rude, confrontational questions and refuses to accept the guys repeated/same answer because it's not the one CNN he just keeps hounding him............shows lack of respect.

It's not like this is Charles Manson.

They messed up because of really, really bad judgment and they owe an explanation to the families of the dead children that they are trying to bury but they don't owe anything to CNN, which is trying to get a news scoop and is in the business of making money based on ratings.

And CNN doesn't get that.

They showed this as a top story, highlighting the fact that their guy outsmarted all the other news outlets and personnel  by hiding out at the back door to harrass somebody that was trying to avoid questions. 

They're proud of this.

I think it's shameful.

Why don't they do the same thing with Biden, and force him to answer tough questions about the numerous disasters under his leadership.