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Started by metmike - Oct. 5, 2022, 6:36 p.m.

Biden and DeSantis put political rivalry aside – for now – as President tours hurricane damage

By metmike - Oct. 5, 2022, 6:45 p.m.
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Biden says events like Hurricane Ian end climate change debate

He should be right because the actual science was crystal clear in this thread below:

Ian's death toll/Extreme Storm Surge/Contribution from Climate Change

But sadly, the debate is not over because side  one wants to use politics, crony capitalism and other ways to falsely represent climate change as fake climate crisis.

The minority, on side 2 want climate science and policies based on physical laws of authentic climate science.

Side one wants everybody to believe the people on  side 2 are a bunch of science deniers for using authentic science.

Accuse them of doing exactly what THEY are doing. Tell people the debate is over, the science is settled for 20 years..........even as most of their predictions continue to fail badly.

By 7475 - Oct. 5, 2022, 7:19 p.m.
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I absolutely cringed when Biden blamed man induced climate change for Ian’s wrath

By metmike - Oct. 5, 2022, 9:34 p.m.
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Thanks John,

One of the weakest/slowest hurricane seasons in decades .......Ian is the I named tropical system (we ran out of letters in the alphabet before!) and you just knew that as soon as a big hurricane would be absolute proof of a climate crisis.

One would think that cutting CO2 would be a no brainer if it prevented events like this but here's the reality check and if you believe their hoowee.

1. Fossil fuels are feeding half the world right now with the combination of solid/liquid fertilizers for the soil and CO2 as an atmospheric fertilizer. 

2. Eliminating them completely tomorrow and going back to the old climate would cause over 1 billion people to starve to death within 3 years and food rationing to triple food prices and only the rich could afford to eat.

Another secret about fossil fuels: Haber Bosch process-fertilizers feeding the planet using natural gas-doubling food production/crop yields. September 2019

3. You want to give up fossil fuels? You have no idea what you're really giving up. They won't tell you this either.

Life without petroleum based products: 6,000 products made with petroleum.  Killing Coal. Fossil fuels and fertilizer. Biden praises high gasoline prices.     2022

4. How about the cost?

Charles Payne on the economy and in particular, inflation: Biden's intentional war on fossil fuels energy disaster started by Obama. Why anti environmental and bird/bat killing wind and solar can NEVER come close to replacing fossil fuels. The cost = 433 Trillion!.  Government forcing anti environmental wind/solar on the market. Stifling new investments in crude and natural gas.  2022

5. This is a climate optimum for life. Polar bears have increased 30% since 2005 and so on. It was 2 deg. C warmer than this in the higher latitudes 5,000-9,000 years ago with LESS Arctic ice.


                Climate Reality/Energy-4 new additions    

By mcfarm - Oct. 6, 2022, 10:47 a.m.
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It was sad. Sad was the word. There are many dead. Many who lost all their worldly goods. And what does this great healer do? Makes a speech blaming climate change. Who wants to heat that nonsense now? He brought up the damn Colorado river and the lakes out west. He lied about bigger and more frequent storms. This person need to be in a home, now, today before he calls another dictator and begs for more oil.

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2022, 12:15 p.m.
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Amen, mcfarm!

When it comes to the fake climate crisis, you and me are on the same page.

Climate Change Infused Hurricane Ian With 10% More Rain, Scientists Say

Analysis finds global warming intensified the storm’s rainfall, which contributed to deadly floods across Florida.

metmike: As shown here, the REAL contributions from climate change. Yes, climate change did cause Ian to be worse.

Every article like this, almost by definition has numerous exaggerations and flawed science in them.....but sold to convince us there's a climate crisis.

Not once, do I see them also mentioning that the increase in beneficial CO2 and slight increase in mostly beneficial warming is feeding billions of people, causing a booming biosphere, greening the planet and most life is doing BETTER because of it.

The 1 study they sited was using models during the 2020 hurricane season that are not capable of knowing anything more than what humans program into that 11% increase is very flawed. Peer reviewed, smeer reviewed. Most of the peer reviewed studies on the fake climate crisis are PAL reviewed by biased, like thinking people that get to call the mainstream science shots for the rest of the world. Just like the very flawed IPCC has been made the worlds authority for every country to follow their science and models that DOUBLE the real warming.

For every degree Celsius rise in temperature, air seemed like it was able to hold about 7% more water vapor. This is now known as the Clausius-Clapeyron equation.

metmike: We learned about the Clausius-Clapeyron equation in Atmospheric Science classes 45 years ago. They should actually apply it with these extreme rain events and tell us what it really means. With this one, the equation tells us that it caused 1 inch of additional rain from climate change..........1 inch!

Climate change made Hurricane Ian’s most extreme rainfall about 10% worse than it would have been without two centuries of greenhouse gas pollution

metmike:  CO2 is a beneficial gas, the building block for all life on this greening planet. Most life would prefer levels double this. We rescued the planet from CO2 starvation and very low amounts of CO2.

 Again, 5-7% is what the Clausius-Clapeyron equation defining this law in thermodynamics tells us for that part of the world in 2022. 

The most misleading(like most of them)about this article is the fact that there's not one mention of  the water that actually  caused the vast majority of damage and fatalities ....STORM SURGE! Which all came from the ocean.

Climate change DID cause the storm surge to be slightly higher too. 

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2022, 3:28 p.m.
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Neil Frank was the director of the NHC for many years and knows a thing...or 100 about hurricanes!

Did Global Warming Make Hurricane Ian Intensify Faster than Normal?

By Neil L. Frank

Hurricane Ian “rapidly transformed from a relatively weak storm into a strong one, [a] phenomenon that has become more common” due to climate change. 

So reported the New York Times in its daily email newsletter. It also said, “Ian embodies several of the major hurricane trends in recent years, as the world copes with the effects of climate change. It’s a strong storm — and strong storms are becoming more common in the Atlantic Ocean, as its surface water has warmed.”

 The prayers of a nation go out to the people in Florida devastated by Hurricane Ian, particularly those in the Ft. Myers area. Ian was indeed one of the most powerful and destructive hurricanes ever to strike southwest Florida. 

Unfortunately, the tragedy is compounded by climate-change activists who are using it for political purposes. They blame Ian on global warming. Headlines in the mainstream media claimed Ian was the fourth-strongest hurricane ever to hit Florida and that its strong winds were caused by global warming. Both statements are wrong. 

The strength of a hurricane can be determined in two ways. First, you can fly into the storm and measure the winds. Second, you can drop a barometer into the eye and determine the pressure. There is an excellent relationship between wind and the pressure in the eye. The lower the pressure, the stronger the winds. If you know one, then you can calculate the other. For decades before the 1990s, pressure was the main factor in determining the strength of a hurricane. 

Using pressure, Ian was not the fourth-strongest hurricane in Florida history but the tenth. The strongest hurricane in U.S. history moved through the Florida Keys in 1935. Among other Florida hurricanes stronger than Ian was another Florida Keys storm in 1919. This was followed by the hurricanes in 1926 in Miami, the Palm Beach/Lake Okeechobee storm in 1928, the Keys in 1948, and Donna in 1960. We do not know how strong the hurricane in 1873 was, but it destroyed Punta Rassa with a 14-foot storm surge. Punta Rassa is located at the mouth of the river leading up to Ft. Myers, where Ian made landfall. 

Note well: all these hurricanes occurred before SUVs, so CO2 and the warming it purportedly causes were not their cause.


    Mike Maguire

        October 6, 2022 12:20 pm                

This is a map of Gulf of Mexico temperatures just before Ian tracked into the GOM.

Climate change can’t  cause pockets of warmer water to form, like the one off the southwest coast of Florida  and hurricanes to track over them. 

The actual very warm pocket anomaly was caused by natural variation, based on the Golden Rule of extreme weather/climate(from Cliff Mass).

“The more extreme a climate or weather record is, the greater the contribution of natural variability.
Or to put it a different way, the larger or more unusual an extreme, the higher proportion of the extreme is due to natural variability.”

However, with +1 deg. C being superimposed on the entire system, including GOM temperatures, THAT added heat counts as coming from climate change and that DOES add to a hurricanes potential ability to strengthen.

Screenshot 2022-10-06 at 13-54-18 Here comes........... Hurricane IAN! - MarketForum.png