Insurrection Anniversary
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Started by metmike - Jan. 6, 2023, 11:22 p.m.

Deep divisions on Jan. 6 anniversary despite fuller understanding of the violence


Deep divisions on Jan. 6 anniversary despite fuller understanding of the violence

The second anniversary of one of America's "darkest days" will be marked by a contradiction.

In the past year, Americans were presented with a fuller and more complete understanding of the violence that erupted at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Specifically, it was revealed in testimony by overwhelmingly Republican, White House and Trump administration officials that the attack was part of a multifaceted effort by former President Donald Trump, a circle of acolytes and extremist groups to overturn the results of an election that had been verified as accurate and ruled lawful in scores of court challengers.

The findings were presented to the public throughout 2022 by a congressional investigation that lifted the veil on the final months of the Trump presidency. In 10 televised hearings, a 150-page executive summary of its conclusions and an 800-plus-page report, the panel debunked the initial belief the riot on Capitol Hill was simply a hot-headed protest.

Many Americans appear to have been paying attention. An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released in November found that 81% of those surveyed believe the country's democracy is under a "serious threat."

The overwhelming consensus registered by the poll is stunning, but that the question itself is part of a survey of American opinion, along with staples like the economy, social issues and foreign policy, is shocking in itself. And so is the fact that even though the violence at the U.S. Capitol played out on national and global television and online media that day, many Americans appear divided on their perception of the source of the threat itself.

Therein lies the paradox. Americans condemn the violence, but bitterly disagree on why it happened.

When pollsters queried deeper, by asking which party poses the bigger menace, respondents split with 42% pointing the finger at Democrats, 41% blaming Republicans and 8% casting a pox on both houses.

“Americans agree that our democracy is threatened but strongly split along party lines as to the causes,” said Lee M. Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, in a statement accompanying the poll.

The Marist poll, however, is far from the only survey conducted over the past year that found many Americans fearing for the state of the country's bedrock political system while simultaneously divided on why they believe there is peril.


The huge agreement of 81% about our democracy being threatened is actually a huge disagreement. 

The reason is that people from the right believe that it's the left which is causing the entire threat. People on the left politically are just as convinced that its the right causing the entire threat.

It's actually telling. Peoples views are mostly based on the  messages that they get from their political sources, who  tell them what to believe and manufacture messages that state things that people who affiliate with that political side WANT TO believe.

The best example is the 10s of millions from the far right who wanted to believe that Donald Trump won the election in 2020.  Trump and other deceivers from the far right, like Fox in the evening, saw this as a golden opportunity to hijack the brains of people that wanted Trump to win. 

Tell people what they want to hear/read and believe in and they WILL NOT fact check it.

Critical thinking, very sadly is becoming a long lost mentality in the age of the internet/media which offers so many different biased sources and echo chambers.

People go to the sources that share their ideologies and avoid the ones that tell them things they don't want to hear.  The truth is secondary.

This is increasing the political divide and decreasing the motivation to try to understand the views of anybody that disagrees with them.

By metmike - Jan. 6, 2023, 11:45 p.m.
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To celebrate the anniversary of Jan 6, 2021, Tucker went into his delusional Ray Epps and the FBI caused the Insurrection screed again.

According to him it wasn't Donald Trump that caused the Insurrection,  it was this guy, Ray Epps that was  planted in the crowd by the FBI and convinced the crowd to break into the building. 

I watch different stations to hear different views.

People that don't watch Fox may not be aware of this loony conspiracy theory or believe that somebody would actually broadcast such a retarded thing repeatedly and have millions of people convinced this happened. 

If there ever was proof that people's critical thinking and intelligence can be stolen away by charismatic or convincing sounding political commentators...........this is it!



TUCKER CARLSON: Lies about January 6 have enabled unscrupulous people to make a mockery of our Bill of Rights

 Tucker reflects on the many unanswered questions from the Jan. 6 Capitol riot

Keep in mind, Ray Epps is one of the only people caught on camera that day encouraging others to break the law. He's one of the only ones and yet he's never been charged and the January 6 Committee was on his side.

Did he talk about January 6 before it happened with any employee of the U.S. government? We don't know. We do know that two years after January 6, long after an awful lot of other people have gone to jail for walking around the Capitol building, Ray Epps is still a free man. He's never been charged, much less imprisoned in solitary confinement like so many others. Why is that?

Well, let's just stop lying. At this point, it's pretty obvious why that is. But of course, they're still lying about it.


Previous blatant nonsense by Tucker about Ray Epps(a tiny fraction):


By metmike - Jan. 6, 2023, 11:47 p.m.
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By mcfarm - Jan. 7, 2023, 5:23 p.m.
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here ya go mm. Just a few of the questions about jAN 6TH that our very corrupt FBI will not answer. If they will not answer these straight forward questions it would seem to beg the American people to wonder why not?

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2023, 6:39 p.m.
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You are totally free to post Ted Cruz's complete nonsense here anytime you want.

Or anything like it on Ray Eps or other issues. 

Ironically, If I wanted to show  people how big of a fraud Ted Cruz is...........I would show the exact same video that you just posted:

This is more powerful evidence that most people  have already decided what they want to believe on most political issues.

They look at the world thru eyes that interpret everything to confirm what they want to believe.

Believing sincerely that what they see is the truth and other people that can't see the same thing are blind or dishonest.

By 12345 - Jan. 7, 2023, 7:20 p.m.
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By mcfarm - Jan. 8, 2023, 7:22 a.m.
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nice avoidance effort MM. Now please tell why those basic question are difficult to answer for even our corrupt FBI that as been totally politicized and weaponised against who? You must have some opinion on the top brass sitting there and pretending she did not know the answers. Wow ask them about parents at school board meeting and the justice department can go on for hours and send terrorist memos across the country but ask them who Tim Thibult or Ray Epps or Hunter Biden is and the pretend they speak another language.  No that's not strange at all, just the FBI doing business as usual.

By metmike - Jan. 8, 2023, 12:14 p.m.
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Thanks, mcfarm.

OK then, I guess additional explaining needs to be done for why Cruz is using this entirely to trick people into believing the FBI is covering something up.

Ted Cruz KNOWS 100% that the FBI cannot answer those questions about an active investigation because of legal and procedure protocol that has always been in place by the FBI. It applies to EVERY investigation.

So Cruz prepares a bunch of questions that he knows the FBI will not be able to answer for that legit reason and gives a fake reason for their response.........."because they are hiding things related to the investigation and those things are what I'm telling you happened".

This is what charlatans, like Ted Cruz do to trick people into believing something that you and many others believed by watching his video.

I hope this helps you to understand it better now, mcfarm.

Thomas Sowell quote: When you want to help people, you tell them the...

By mcfarm - Jan. 8, 2023, 5:29 p.m.
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BS, total and complete BS. I have watched enough of these games at hearing our FBI has been playing.  When they need an excuse to not answer they plainly lie "on advice from council or on orders from superiors and because there is an on going investigation I cannot answer" Hell Stryuck used that excuse a thousand times in just the last 2 years. The lady Cruz was talking never once used that lie. She plainly said "I do not know that party" or I know next to nothing or I know very little....she never once that I recall mention an investigation...why? you say. Well plainly those three were never investigated. Even deeper trouble lurks  there as if they were the FBI has just dug their hole even deeper. And why again for those who pretend and lie and cheat as Epps for one was briefly on a FBI watch list and suddenly disappeared. Think what you will MM but the FBI has done this and much worse. How about funding twitter 3.5 million to help throw the '20 election on top of the Russian hoax to help throw the '20 and '16 election followed the Mueller probe to "finish it" as Stryuck so famously wrote to his lover Paige as they schemed  right in front of  all their 7 th floor superiors. Man if you think our corrupt FBI does not have troubles I cannot help you.

By metmike - Jan. 8, 2023, 6:47 p.m.
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Thanks, mcfarm!

Let me try to help you out again here.

I agree strongly with you that US intelligence has a long history of corruption.

The Mueller investigation that you mentioned and also Hunter Biden's laptop.

Previous threads about Hunter and Biden family corruption/crimes:

Mueller's  bs

June 2016:  Loretta Lynch-Bill Clinton meeting.


A huge  problem here, regarding this specific topic is dishonest republicans, Fox in the evening and others taking something with a huge grain of truth as shown above and applying it to every time the FBI is involved in anything where republicans committed crimes and putting blame on a republican hating  FBI that's always  corrupt and always out to get republicans.

In every story, republicans become victims of FBI corruption or FBI cover ups. 

This is 100% indisputably what Ted Cruz is doing. I know that you are unable to see that. 

The difference between you and me on this, mcfarm is that I let the empirical data and authentic facts/evidence lead me to the objective truths.....and sometimes that shows the FBI acted badly. Sometimes not. 

You believe everything that republicans and far right news sources tell you because of your affiliation to that party and you totally want it that way and nobody will ever change your mind.

I know that and am not trying to change your mind, mcfarm.

However, I'm giving you and others on both sides(that  often go to echo chambers of people just like themselves, repeating what they think they know) an opportunity to know the objective, non politically affiliated authentic  truths.

I don't know everything but I never use a political belief system and always base everything on authentic facts/evidence, data and physical laws of science and energy.

I also come here with an open mind to learn from others.

You still come here and will always be my friend, regardless of that's a really good thing.


Intelligence/IQ determines the potential rate that a mind can learn at.

Open mindedness and discernment  are often the biggest determinants of the REAL RATE of learning.



By mcfarm - Jan. 9, 2023, 6:45 a.m.
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For God's sake MM. Just say it. It will set you free. You were wrong. There is no active investigation. That lady lied,,,,,,,........again....the FBI lied again. There is not an active investigation, she could have answered but the embarrassment was too much for the agency and would open the door for much more of the same. This is not about Republicans on TV, never has been.

By metmike - Jan. 9, 2023, 12:06 p.m.
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The only way that you would not possibly understand that OF COURSE there clearly IS an active investigation is if you have the mindset  described previously.

I get that this works for you and suggest that we move on to something more productive.