Actually, Trump would NOT have coerced Ukraine to stop negotiations with Russia and promised unconditional support for Ukraine with a promise to take them into NATO as this administrative did.
Instead, he likely would have advised Zelensky to negotiate and NOT insist on being a member of NATO, which is what Russia wanted.
So Bolton is full of doo doo on this one and for once, Trump is more accurate.
However this is not BASED ON OBJECTIVE FACTS.........which no longer matter in todays world of manufactured realities.
Just make up what you want people to believe............and repeat it over and over along with all the other sources in your tribe/belief system.
With Trump in office, there's almost no chance we would have seen this war.
For those actually looking, it's a war between the US and Russia, fought in Ukraine(which is being decimated), using and killing Ukrainians to fight OUR war.
STOP THE WAR!!!
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Started by metmike - April 4, 2023, midnight
One of the most telling indicators of the US and Biden administration being behind this war is all the other countries trying get stop it and bring peace.
France went to China to beg them to help. Brazil did the same thing.
China is calling for peace as well as many other countries, including India.
Now Africa is calling for peace.
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said he spoke with Putin and Zelenskyy by phone over the weekend and they each agreed to host "an African leaders peace mission" in Moscow and Kyiv, respectively.
We should note that the Biden administration is not only absent regarding any public discussions about peace but Biden continues to insist on defeating Russia on the battlefield, no longer how long that will take.......even as he's drained the US of 115 billion dollars to fund the United States war against Russia. The cost to rebuild will be 5 times that. Guess who will pay a big portion of it?
Almost every country in the world knows this war is about the US and Russia.
If you don't realize that.......congratulations to those pushing all the war propaganda.
It's been extremely convincing and effective.
Of course much of this is left to speculation because we are NOT getting the real/honest facts.
The US response to Africa trying to negotiate peace and stop the US war?
Claim that they are on Russia's side and providing them weapons..
You are either for the US war against Russia or you are for Russia!
Regardless, either way let's use critical thinking about this. 1 of 2 things exist with Africa and both of them mean they strongly oppose the US war in Russia.
1. They want peace, which the US does not want.
2. They want to defeat the US and are willing to support Putin.
If the propaganda frames it as being #2, they can lump Africa into the evil nation category.
Visit to Moscow follows US allegations that weapons were loaded on to a Russian ship in Cape Town in December.
US ambassador to Pretoria summoned after saying he was confident that a Russian ship had collected weapons from South Africa.
You can find dozens of articles daily telling us about the latest war tragedies, many using propaganda as if this is just normal.
We've become desensitized to this war by the ones who want it to persist. Russia, the United States/Zelensky and especially the US military, industrial, political complex.
Russia's war in Ukraine
When countries try to make a play for peace, the US vilifies them and portrays them as having ulterior motives.
What happened to the Spring counter offensive from Ukraine we've been promised that was supposed to gain a bunch of their land back?
The New Voice of Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Russian troops still have time to withdraw from Ukraine, or be destroyed otherwise.
We know that Putin is the most dangerous man on the planet and a war criminal that attacked Ukraine without legit justifications after Ukraine/Zelensky shut down negotiations but Zelensky is also an extremely dangerous, delusional psychopath, being backed by the war wanting Biden and US industrial, military, political complex.
A realist has to cringe when Zelensky makes such delusional ultimatums and refuses to negotiate. In increasing number of other counties in the world, not falling for the propaganda that our government/MSM spews out wants this war to end and is NOT on the side of the United States which wants this war to continue.
There are 2 countries and 1 man that really want the war in this order.
3. Zelensky (No way that Ukrainians want hundreds of thousands killed, 8 million displaced and 1 trillion in damages.........and no end in sight-they want PEACE).
Ironically, those countries are incurring the greatest costs...........(Zelensky is war celebrity and his massive ego loves it) yet the rest of the world which is also suffering from supply side inflation, with the poor suffering the most are greatly motivated to stop the war. ...........not Russia, USA or Zelensky. They don't care a lick about the human suffering of those directly being decimated and the rest of the world indirectly being damaged.
American paying 115 billion is not a small price to pay with many times more to rebuild Ukraine. It's pathetic that we can look the other way because it's Ukraine and their people being obliterated and support the war and not be screaming for Biden to push his puppet for peace. Actually, our sad sack politicians are driven by the military industrial complexes money and power that controls them. That entity is the one getting extremely wealthy on this war.
Top defense firms spend $1B on lobbying during Afghan war, see $2T return
Everyone except the military industrial complex lost the ‘war on terror.’
In the years following the 9/11 attacks, the United States and its allies have fought a continuous war on terror. The taxpayer tab for the war totals about $5 trillion, or $16,000 per person, according to Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies.
After finally withdrawing from that 2 decades long money sucking, human killing fiasco, it took less than a year for US to get right back into another one!!!!!!!!!!
A large portion of these contracts -- one-quarter to one-third of all Pentagon contracts in recent years -- have gone to just five major corporations: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. The $75 billion in Pentagon contracts received by Lockheed Martin in fiscal year 2020 is well over one and one-half times the entire budget for the State Department and Agency for International Development for that year, which totaled $44 billion.
Weapons makers have spent $2.5 billion on lobbying over the past two decades, employing, on average, over 700 lobbyists per year over the past five years. That is more than one for every member of Congress.
Numerous companies took advantage of wartime conditions—which require speed of delivery and often involve less rigorous oversight—to overcharge the government or engage in outright fraud. In 2011, the Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan estimated that waste, fraud and abuse had totaled between $31 billion and $60 billion.
As the U.S. reduces the size of its military footprint in Iraq and Afghanistan, exaggerated estimates of the military challenges posed by China have become the new rationale of choice in arguments for keeping the Pentagon budget at historically high levels. Military contractors will continue to profit from this inflated spending.
Americans: Stop letting the diabolical military, industrial political complex with the media colluding by providing the war propaganda, steal your money to kill people and destroy countries for their self enriching war schemes.
How Ukraine could become the next South Korea.
BTW... BOLTON HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REAL JERK, IMO
It's almost impossible to get wonderful sources like this that tell us what's really going on and are not just passing along false war propaganda which dominates almost all the news.
They are knowledgeable and apply critical thinking.
MarketForum is extremely fortunate to have you generously sharing this very enlightening stuff.
Thank you very much!!
National security experts: War in Ukraine is an ‘unmitigated disaster’
Signers say the conflict will be ‘our undoing’ if we don’t ‘dedicate ourselves to forging a diplomatic settlement that stops the killing.’
May 17, 2023
An open letter calling for a swift diplomatic end to the war in Ukraine was published on Tuesday in the New York Times. The letter’s 14 signatories consisted mostly of former U.S. military officers and other national security officials, including Jack Matlock, Washington’s former ambassador to the Soviet Union; Ann Wright, a retired U.S. Army colonel and former diplomat; Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Corps officer and State Department official; and Ret. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as Secretary of State Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff.
The letter calls the war an “unmitigated disaster” and cautions that “future devastation could be exponentially greater as nuclear powers creep ever closer toward open war.”
While condemning Vladimir Putin’s “criminal invasion and occupation,” the letter, which notes the serial invasions of Russia by foreign adversaries, encourages readers to understand the war “through Russia’s eyes.”
“In diplomacy, one must attempt to see with strategic empathy, seeking to understand one’s adversaries,” according to the letter. “This is not weakness: it is wisdom.”
“Since 2007, Russia has repeatedly warned that NATO’s armed forces on Russian borders were intolerable – just as Russian forces in Mexico or Canada would be intolerable to the U.S. now, or as Soviet missiles in Cuba were in 1962,” the letter reads. “Russia further singled out NATO expansion into Ukraine as especially provocative.”
The letter, entitled “The U.S. Should Be a Force for Peace in the World,” urges the Biden administration to pivot towards pursuing a negotiated solution to end the war “speedily.”
“This reality is not entirely of our own making, yet it may well be our undoing,” the letter concludes, “unless we dedicate ourselves to forging a diplomatic settlement that stops the killing and defuses tensions.”
WELL, MIKE...... I READ YOUR LINKS ~ THANK YOU!
I OFTEN WONDER WHAT IT WOULD FEEL LIKE TO BELIEVE WHAT I REFER TO AS: HYPER LIES.
I ALSO WONDER HOW IT WOULD FEEL TO JUST IGNORE THE NEWS. I CERTAINLY KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS THAT DO! THEY, IMO, ARE NOT "HAPPY CAMPERS". LOL THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS ARE PRIME EXAMPLES. THEY KILL ONE ANOTHER ~ DOPE THEMSELVES UP ~ THEN, GET SO DISGRUNTLED, THEY KILL THEMSELVES.
ONE SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS, THIS WORLD HAS TURNED INTO.
I KINDA BELIEVE THIS GUY
Thanks much Jean!
Zelensky is one of the worst sources out there to find out what's going on in Ukraine.
WHAT A MESS!!!!!!
If you watched ABC Nightly News tonight, you got the impression the Ukraine is kicking Russia's butt.
The war propaganda keeps Americans in the dark.
How long will we allow our intelligence to be stolen with propaganda on the current war between the US and Russia?
History says that it can go on for several years..........Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.......etc.
Some differences now compared to those other wars.
1. None of those countries had nuclear weapons.
2. Very few Americans are being killed this time.
3. The countries supporting the country we were at war with were not as impressive (China?)
4. We live in the age of the internet which allows outlier sources to break thru the propaganda, providing facts that contradict the propaganda which didn't exist more than 2 decades ago and not to this extent even a few years ago.
5. However the impact of some wars on the rest of the world was similar with regards to energy prices, mainly when the wars were in the Middle East. This one affected food supplies/inflation too because Ukraine is a major grower.
The Impacts of Wars on Oil Price
Had the US decided to not engage in the war and instead negotiate for peace, we would have experienced a bit lower inflation and the Fed would not have needed to increase interest rates this high.
This would have meant less bank failures which have resulted from the dynamic of such a rapid increase in interest rates. More bank failures are likely according to some sources.
And everybody just accepts this as being normal now! No demands for an end. No negotiations. We've been brainwashed to "be in it to win it" at all costs. And the costs so far are trillions of times greater than any potential benefits.
Not much concern about the growing threat of a nuclear war anymore. We've already baked that into the accepted mentality.
Man........propaganda can effectively program brains to choose this insanity over rational thinking.
At some point, like with every other really dumb US war, since WW-2, people will start waking up enough to cause the bought and paid for (by the Military Industrial complex) US politicians to feel increasing heat.
When the war does end and we can start looking at it with more clarity in the rear view mirror (without being bombarded with the blinding propaganda) with a trillion $$ in damages that needs rebuilding, hundreds of thousands dead(that can't be resurrected) and many millions displaced, everybody will suddenly realize:
HOLY SHIST! Why didn't we just try to negotiate!!!!!!!!
And history will put on the same list as other recent really dumb US wars, after Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. This one is much different but make no mistake that the US is fighting Russia using Ukrainian soldiers in Ukraine. This is a way to trick Americans to support it because Americans aren't dying.
Ironically, the propaganda charlatans selling the war convince us to think that we are supporting Ukrainians. We are absolutely using and getting Ukrainians killed to fight OUR war against Russia using United States equipment.
THE VIDEO OF THE BOAT VS THE SHIP? WHO'S TO BE BELIEVED??????!!!!!!
Jeffrey Sachs on Rising: NYT LYING About Nord Stream, Ukraine To Readers
The promised Ukraine counter offensive that we were promised would take back much of the ground Ukraine lost.............has still not happened and it's Summer.
What's new. Just more BS war propaganda and people will keep believing it and sources that tell them what they want to hear.
Ukraine’s long-awaited spring offensive against Russia’s invasion has been postponed so long that it has acquired a new name. It’s going to be a “summer offensive” at this point because it still hasn’t started.
Ukrainian officials maintain that the delay isn’t a setback. After spring rains turned battle zones into a sea of mud, they decided they’d rather wait for more arms to arrive from the West.
But the slippage reflects a larger truth: Ukraine’s struggle to expel Russian occupiers is likely to take years, not months.
Still no serious discussions about negotiations. An acceptance of this atrocity as if it's normal/business as usual to have a war like this.
The propaganda has convinced people that Ukraine is NOT a corrupt country and Zelensky is a great leader for truth, justice and the Ukrainian way.
Actually, the Ukrainian way IS CORRUPTION!
Since the government reshuffle in March 2020, Zelensky has abandoned his plan to carry out a comprehensive reconstruction of Ukraine’s political elite by replacing its main figures with untainted ‘new faces’. This is what he had promised to his voters. However, he has failed to find an effective mechanism for selecting suitable candidates for key positions, which negatively affects the process of reforms being implemented. Servant of the People de facto losing its parliamentary majority, which had previously enabled it to independently enact laws, forces this party’s representatives to constantly strive to reach agreements with other parliamentary groups and groups of influence. This is yet another factor undermining the effectiveness of actions carried out by the Ukrainian leadership. Moreover, there are constantly more indications that corruption is being tolerated and there has been a return to the direct control of law enforcement bodies. This, in turn, reinforces the feeling that in his governance style and practice, ‘anti-system’ Zelensky is increasingly resembling his ‘pro-system’ predecessors. Although he continues to be a popular politician, his level of support has constantly been on the wane and the prospects for his presidency bringing a breakthrough in Ukraine’s modernisation process are becoming increasingly illusory.
A new ranking index has dented Zelensky's EU aspirations
This is exactly why Hunter Biden went there in May 2014. To exploit his pop's influence controlling the billions of US funding of aid to Ukraine. It couldn't be more clear.
200 countries in the world and Hunter suddenly gets appointed to the board of a natural gas firm (with no experience) in a country where he can't speak the language...............get's paid big bucks and suddenly, millions of dollars start gushing out from non existing business's.
He figured out it worked well for other countries too but blatantly corrupt Ukraine provided the template to use in other corrupt countries.
LOL ONE GUTSY GUY!!