Biden/Harris vs Trump/XXXXX

My prediction, is that whoever he picks, they will be the ONLY one of the 4 above that deserves to be in the White House.

Seriously!

Trump’s VP search is starting to get serious

The former president is considering around a dozen contenders, though the list is in flux.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/31/inside-donald-trumps-apprentice-style-search-for-a-running-mate-00149827

I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH J.D. VANCE.... I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM, EITHER.

You know him better than me, Jean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Vance

James David Vance (born James Donald Bowman; August 2, 1984) is an American venture capitalist, author, and politician serving as the junior United States senator from Ohio since 2023.^[1][2] A member of the Republican Party, he came to prominence with his 2016 memoir, Hillbilly Elegy.

Born in Middletown, Ohio, Vance studied political science and philosophy at Ohio State University before earning a Juris Doctor from Yale Law School. His memoir, which describes his upbringing in Middletown and his family's Appalachian values, became a New York Times bestseller and attracted significant press attention during the 2016 United States presidential election.^[3] Vance launched his first political campaign for Ohio's Senate seat in 2021 and won the Republican nomination. He defeated Democratic nominee Tim Ryan in the general election.

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Earlier this year, I guessed at the governor of ND because of his energy policies and he seems like a solid guy but Trump may look for somebody that can help him in the swing states which will determine the results. 

I want to nominate a totally unexpected person as VP. I have admired and respected this guy for years. He is smart as a whip, conservative to his core and yes he is gay. I do not care about his sexuality and what is refreshing is he pushes it on no one. He is well spoken, logical, careful, reserved and I should of thought of him long before any of these professional politicians we all think about. Anyway, tell me what you think about Rick Grinnell as VP.....I am sold 100%

" Rick Grinnell as VP.....I am sold 100%"  I REALLY LIKE THE GUY.  ALWAYS HAVE.

HE'S ONE OF FEW THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIS SEXUALITY A FOCUS POINT!! THAT FLAUNTING CRAP, TURNS ME AWAY FROM THE PERSON.  IMO, IT SHOWS INFERIORITY IN THE FLAUNTER.  "LOOK AT ME... LOOK AT ME! I'M SPECIAL!!"  BLEH

Thanks, mcfarm,

I don't know enough about him yet except that the left appears to hate his guts and Wikipedia, instead of giving an objective description that highlights accomplishments, is mainly a hit piece/character assassination focusing on negatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Grenell

Richard Allen Grenell (born September 18, 1966) is an American political operative, diplomat, TV personality, and public relations consultant who served as Acting Director of National Intelligence in President Donald Trump’s Cabinet in 2020. A member of the Republican Party, Grenell served as the United States Ambassador to Germany from 2018 to 2020 and as the Special Presidential Envoy for Serbia and Kosovo Peace Negotiations from 2019 to 2021.

if e libs hate him that would be another positive to his credit and all the more reason to vote for him

Thanks, mcfarm!

That frame of mind seems to dominate alot of minds today.

You already liked this guy but some folks will form opinions  based on  whether somebody they hate, likes/agrees with  somebody else or not. 

That's been going on for a long time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enemy_of_my_enemy_is_my_friend

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is an ancient proverb which suggests that two parties can or should work together against a common enemy. The exact meaning of the modern phrase was first expressed in the Latin phrase "Amicus meus, inimicus inimici mei" ("my friend, the enemy of my enemy"), which had become common throughout Europe by the early 18th century, while the first recorded use of the current English version came in 1884.^[1]

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well here is the difference to me. Nearly every policy conservative is great fro America, her strength, her future, her chance at survival. Nearly every policy dems push {future communists who are now socialists{ is certain death for America. Easy to understand once you look around and see which commy and socialistic countries actually do well for their people.

Here is a great example...did you know that segregation is back. Oh yes thanks to libs we now have a separate graduation for ltmpxyzpq's from all the others. Why? Because they live for whatever is ailing them, not to survive and conquer those ailments.

Yep segregation back thanks to weak kneed libs.

Previous threads:

                Biden and Trump            

                            Started by metmike - April 24, 2024, 9:52 a.m.     

       https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103471/

   Best/WORST president(s) in the last 40 years            

                            Started by metmike - Oct. 21, 2023, 10:32 a.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99844/

                Biden, a greatest president?            

                            Started by metmike - Feb. 19, 2024, 10:02 p.m.      

     https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102410/

Donald Trump Leads Joe Biden in Every Battleground State: Polling Averages

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-every-battleground-state-polling-averages-1894852

Majority of Voters Say Donald Trump Was a Success, Joe Biden Is a Failure

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-voters-say-donald-trump-was-success-joe-biden-failure-1894924

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It's getting late in the game but I still think that they will replace Biden with somebody else, probably Gavin from California.

He is soooo bad and his numbers can't recover because his cognitive losses make that impossible, along with  his track record not giving him anything to stand on.

This isn't even a reason for why he's doing so bad but I'm personally convinced he's guilty of massive corruption as VP.  And his Ukraine policy has been a 100% failure every step of the way.  How can this possibly get better before November?????  How can Americans NOT hold this against him in November after 2.5+ years of flushing almost 200 billion down the corrupt Ukrainian toilet to get over half a million killed and losing a war that was destined for a loss?

Man, the Ds would be insane to not replace him with somebody.

A potentially smart strategy is to wait until the last minute and replace him with somebody that Americans haven't had time to hate and can maximize the NOT DONALD TRUMP VOTES.

Their tactics to destroy Trump with legal nonsense is failing miserably. However, for some reason they have NOT gone to court on the 1 legal situation where he is actually guilty.

That is completely baffling and can't be a fluke.  There IS a purposefully reason for it.

These legal cases are proceeding in a very contrived order, each one with LESS nonsense than the previous one.

My educated guess is that they're saving the meat for last and feeding us the crapola now to try to gradually weaken and destroy Trump, then in the last 30 days or so.........when it counts bring out the REAL stuff.

Hey Mike,

 Regarding your 8 posts above this, we got it the first 7 times lol.

 I’m just trying to do a funny. I know the site has been acting up/offline a lot recently. I’m just trying to provide a laugh hehe.

I greatly appreciate the humor, Larry, especially since you're getting copied on the messages going to our tech department  (with a few other posters) trying to fix it and understand the situation.

Humor is one of the best therapies when frustrating things happen that we can't control. 

I need to leave every copy of that post up for awhile to help the tech person to understand the problem. Each on of those posts has a different # and time stamp even though none of them came back to my computer.

So something/somebody is interfering in a way that allows messages/posts to get in but not come back.  

As a result, my electronic devices, after close to 2 minutes of waiting with no response,  give this message:

504 Gateway Time-out

nginx

Same thing regardless of the IP address, electronic device or browser. 

I'm having a couple of suspicions but won't say anything without additional evidence.

MUCHO apologies to our readers here that are experiencing similar issues trying to load MarketForum.

metmike

We've finally fixed the slow loading speed problem! Yippee!

WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE BEING LIARS... I HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING THAT POLLS ARE ANYWHERE NEAR BEING ACCURATE.

IMO, THERE ARE TOO MANY "HATE AMERICA" & "HATE TRUMP" PEOPLE IN THOSE POLLS.  WILL THEY ACTUALLY VOTE THE SAME AS THEY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS? DOUBTFUL.

Jean,

I read you loud and clear.

I'm skeptical about a lot of things that I can't verify with solid facts if things don't seem to make sense.

Polls are people responding to a pollster over the phone asking the same questions to XXX number of people BASED ON OPINIONS.

If most of the polls have similar results, its a more reliable indicator but still NOT A FACT. 

A persons opinion can change at any time, including  the times of willingness to be honest with it.

However, things like this can never change:

  2+2 =4  and 

LOLOLOL  THIS GUY THINKS HE'S GOT IT FIGURED OUT.  24 MINUTES   

Trump FINALLY ANNOUNCES His VP And This Pick Just SHOCKED EVERYBODY On TV!

Donald Trump Is Beating Joe Biden Among Educated Voters

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-poll-joe-biden-educated-voters-1897303

Donald Trump is the preferred candidate over President Joe Biden among higher and lower educated voters, according to a poll.

An ActiVote survey of 953 likely voters found that Trump, the presumptive 2024 Republican nominee, is leading Biden in a head-to-head presidential race by 5.4 points (52.7 percent to 47.3).

When the results are broken down further, Trump is found to be beating the president among those with only high school education (51-49 percent), as well as those with some college or an associate's degree (54-46 percent) and college graduates (53-47 percent)

I had never heard of ActiVote. So, I did some research:

“Our Data

ActiVote is a free app that helps any US voter confidently vote in every election. The app is free, non-partisan and we don’t share anyone’s personal data with anyone else.

Unlike virtually any other pollster, ActiVote does not actively sollicit replies from our users. Instead, whenever a user is ready to make a choice in a particular race, they may elect to rank the candidates for that race.”

https://www.activote.net/polling-methodology/

 Their last 5 Trump vs Biden polls, which date back to late in 2023 for the data gathering, have shown Trump with a similar significant lead meaning not trending in one direction or the other since late 2023:

 https://www.activote.net/activote_polling/

 1/4/24 (based on prior 90 days): 54-46

 2/27/24 (based on prior 19 days): 53-47

 3/22/24 (based on prior 15 days): 53-47

 4/10/24 (based on prior 17 days): 53-47

 4/30/24 (based on prior 17 days): 53-47

Thanks, Larry for showing us  additional information for why we shouldn’t believe polls(as we were already discussing)including the random one that I posted because Newsweek sent it to my mailbox, when I was trying to catch up after being out od town the previous 3 days.

People will normally believe the one that fullfills wishful thinking.

Some individual pollsters likely have a built in bias…..this one apparently pro Trump.

We‘ll find out which poll is best……..after the election results are in!

Here's a long list of the different polls and their ratings. HUNDREDS!

538’s Pollster Ratings

Based on the historical track record and methodological transparency of each polling firm’s polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

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I don't follow this topic close enough to provide any profound kernels of wisdom, other than the more polls you have that have the same results, the more likely it is that they are an accurate measurement...........but not always.

There's a half dozen reasons why most polls can be slanted or biased for the same reason(s).

Most of the polls told us that Clinton would win before the 2016 election but  MOST of the polls were wrong.

Maybe X% of people will respond a certain way in a poll that will respond a different way in a voting booth?

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What Can Election 2024 Polls Really Tell Us?

Election polls are accurate but can only reveal voter intentions on the day they were taken. They don’t predict the future

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-can-election-2024-polls-really-tell-us/

Pre-election polls in 2020 had the largest errors in 40 years

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2021/07/19/pre-election-polls-in-2020-had-the-largest-errors-in-40-years/

Public opinion polls ahead of the 2020 election were the most inaccurate in a generation, according to Josh Clinton, Abby and Jon Winkelried Chair and professor of political science, who recently served as chair of a special task force convened by the American Association for Public Opinion Research specifically to evaluate polling. The task force found that polling during the two weeks before the election overstated support for then-Democratic nominee Joe Biden by 3.9 percentage points, which was the largest polling error since 1980 when support for Democratic nominee Jimmy Carter was overestimated by 6 percentage points. The presidential election between Biden, the eventual winner, and incumbent president Donald Trump was much closer than polling had indicated. A report detailing the task force’s discoveries and conclusions is here.

NOT SURPRISING.  THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE LIARS.