The United States is in the business of war.
Our politicians and media have been selling those wars to us for 7 decades now.
They want you to think that because we have the most weapons stockpiled and most advanced technology that we would easily win in a war with other global powers China and Russia.
First of all, if it ever came to that, even if we could win, the losses TO US in a victory could be unthinkable.
But they want you to think that nobody would ever push us to that point because they know we are invincible and wouldn't be that stupid to challenge us. That's complete nonsense. People start and fight wars because:
1. They are extremely inspired by a cause that's usually very personal
2. They are willing to risk major losses. The less that you have to start with, the less you have to risk and more likely you are to risk EVERYTHING for that cause, ESPECIALLY if the reason for the war is why you have nothing(Evil Hamas, for instance).
3. Winning the war mentality is a narrative imposed on U.S. brains that tells us the U.S. is too great to lose wars and we are ALWAYS the ones with the moral high ground, justified for every war(even though almost none of our wars were justified by legit ethical standards the last 7 decades).
Fortunately, China's leader, whatever you think of him uses critical thinking and is more concerned with what's best for China. Getting into a war with the US, even if they won, would be bad for them.
However, their position on Taiwan is one that they feel extremely strong about. Much stronger than ours and the false narratives would have us believe that we must defend Taiwan or global democracy will collapse.
That's the same snake oil rationale that was sold for most of the last 200 wars that the US has been involved in since WW2.
You didn't know that we had a stake in or caused that many wars?
Not just Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine, the biggest wars that we all know about.
War crimes committed by US show its evil foreign policy
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202305/1291437.shtml
Between the end of World War II and 2001, there were 248 armed conflicts in 153 regions across the world, among which 201 were initiated by the US. This means that the US has started the overwhelming majority of conflicts in the modern, postwar global security status quo. That is quite remarkable and shows just how nefarious Washington's influence is around the world.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99012
The exact death toll of U.S. imperialism is both staggering and impossible to know. What we do know is that since World War 2, U.S. imperialism has killed at least 36 million people globally in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, the Congo, Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Chad, Libya, East Timor, Grenada, Honduras, Iran, Pakistan, Panama, the Philippines, Sudan, Greece, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Somalia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Palestine (see Appendix).
Add another 500,000 from Biden’s war with Russia, using Ukraine and Ukrainians to fight it!
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That's actually what the US does best. Thanks to our bought and paid for politicians that are puppets for the military-industrial-political complex. Lindsey Graham for instance receives hundreds of thousands of dollars every year from our military contractors in bribe money so he pushes their agenda. Many others are just like that.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99662/#99695
They rely on propaganda and lies in collusion with the media to push their diabolical agenda's.
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The Ukraine war, using an extremely corrupt country/leader and their military was intentionally planned by Biden in 2021. 500,000 dead, 1 trillion in damages, 8 million displaced and 130 billion from us taxpayers when we are having a deficit crisis!.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#100026
Biden never tries to negotiate for peace. Just ask for more and more money to fund an endless war that Ukraine has no chance to win. Half their army has been killed or permanently disabled. The latest response by Biden? Use the situation in Israel to ask for another 60 billion for the war in Ukraine.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99807/
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Please note above that my points above have links with the evidence. They aren't just words like we get in the form of relentless propaganda and disinformation spewing out of politicians and media.
Now a reality check on some elements of a war in this decade that would make it much different than any other wars and cause incredible losses to the United States.
Let's just start with China.
We are to believe that since we have more weapons stockpiled and superior weapons technology that we would easily defeat China in a war.
Bullsheet.
Here's one example. China knows where almost every power plant and communications center is that controls our electricity, internet and wireless communications.
They have the capability to knock many of those out, which would compromise our ability to communicate with our military bases. Not using an attack with conventional weapons but using a cyber attack and a super electromagnetic pulse attack.
If they strike first, they incapacitate our ability to utilize our military forces. They incapacitate our ability to defend ourselves. With no power and no communications, we lose the war from the get go.
We can do the same to them...........but not if they strike first because they take out much of our ability to use those high tech weapons.
Systems Confrontation
and System Destruction
Warfare
How the Chinese People’s Liberation Army
Seeks to Wage Modern Warfare
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1700/RR1708/RAND_RR1708.pdf
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/13/china-cyberattacks-are-a-defining-threat-top-us-cyber-official.html
Such tactics would be a stark change from the cyberactivity historically attributed to China, usually espionage and data theft but not destructive attacks.
Aug. 12, 2023,
Signs suggest the culprits worked within a notorious Chinese hacker group that may have also hacked Indian electric utilities years earlier.
https://www.wired.com/story/china-redfly-power-grid-cyberattack-asia/
A war with adversaries in the Middle East that might not be able to use the technologies described on the previous page against the United States would still feature the mindset of tens of thousands of individuals willing to give up there lives to seriously damage the United States, similar to 9-11-01.
Even more so to Israel which is especially vulnerable from their location.
Let me tell you something.
The events of October 2023 AFTER October 7th, will end up being the biggest recruiting tool in history for terrorist groups attracting men that will devote their lives, including sacrificing their lives to hurt and even destroy Israel.
With 2 billion Muslims in the world even if 1 out a 10,000 joined a terrorist group, that's 200,000 new members. Thats 8 times the size of Hamas. Even if Israel somehow wiped out Hamas, it just created a much bigger problem and that's not counting the enormous number of people that don't act but now hate Israel and Jews that didn't hate them before this, which is in the high millions.
They will all be indoctrinating that hatred into the children they raise.
No need to even go there if you are 1 of the 1 million children living in Gaza being subjected to war crimes from Israel, many losing family members. This current generation growing up in just Gaza, for instance has a number that is 50 times the number in Hamas. 1 million compared to their 20,000.
Out of those 1 million, how many will intensely hate Israel because of this experience?
Well, the United States has been taking the strong position of backing Israel's right to do this to the people of Gaza and calling it self defense.
This means the United States WILL BE a major target because we condoned and supported the atrocities going on right now.
The propaganda from our government/politicians and media have us completely oblivious to the math and real world, authentic dynamics that define this realm outside of our censored information box.
I fear most for the future of Israel, a country I love and the Jews, already being persecuted by the massive wave of global anti Antisemitism.
You can live in an "ignorance is bliss" world, with so many sources in this country censoring the truth.
However, this will just make the shock that much greater when the consequences of the truth cause the price to be paid.
To Israel for sure and eventually the US.
To repeat once again.
I love the country of Israel and greatly admire the very talented and hard working Jewish people and have always supported reparations.......which continue to this day!
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE IN OUR MILITARY JUST WALKED OFF THE JOB & WENT HOME? HOW LONG WOULD WE EXIST? WHAT WOULD MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DO W/O ANYMORE INCOME FROM THE MILITARY COMPLEX SHARES?
NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN WAR OF ANY KIND ~ BE IT WITH A NEIGHBOR, OR THE WORLD.
THE WORLD IS A MESS ~ JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS IT WOULD BE.
If all I have read here the last couple days is how you really and truthfully feel MM you should be out campaigning for the only President in decades to keep the US out of war and those terrorists dictators around the world were not heard from while the same guy was in office. I think there ought to be other candidates who could do the same but the problem is he is the only one who followed thru
I changed the title to be more SPECIFIC with regards to the cause of wars and to acknowledge that the US also leads the world in humanitarian efforts.
The majority of us are great people and we devote more resources to charities and humanitarian efforts than any other country.
Not every politician is a war "hawk" either. Guys like Rand Paul are decidedly against this stance. And there are some wonderful people in the US Military, especially those that sign up because of patriotism, which is commendable.
However, historically the absolute most tragic thing about this realm is that we've gotten millions of our brave soldiers killed by political charlatans who get us into wars because wars are good business for the military-industrial-political complex.
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After some contemplation overnight, I believe that our politicians are exploiting the wonderful generosity spirit of the people living in our country.........wanting to share our good fortune and freedoms and way of life with other people in the world.
Most charitable countries-U.S. is #1!
Started by metmike - Oct. 30, 2023, 12:21 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100137/
Politicians have twisted the world so that it requires that our powerful military/troops/policies need to intervene in other countries to impose our ways on them to HELP THEM.
Every intervention and foreign policy endeavor that we've been involved in, of the hundreds, has always been spun as the United States exercising it's might for a justified reason to help that/those countries, that in reality, we are often exploiting for the self serving agenda of the politicians.
In almost every case since WW2, we make things WORSE.
In the Middle East, where rich oil reserves lie, which has been the REAL reason for our politicians to constantly intervene, our interventions have all been catastrophic blunders. This has also caused those people to hate us. Some hate us so much because of what WE'VE DONE TO THEM that they've formed radical groups with the main objective of causing great harm to the United States.
Our politicians, many of whom are blatantly dishonest, corrupt, selfish and divisive people that lack basic ethical standards, are just charlatans manufacturing fake realities to sell their political agenda and to grandstand with statements that appeal to their base(tell them what they want to hear) in order to generate support and get votes so they will be elected.
People like Liz Cheney, for instance that have a conscience and put ethics over politics get obliterated for being that way.
Politics is the most corrupt and evil business in the United States and it exploits the wonderful, generous and caring Americans that sadly are also very gullible because our biggest flaw is that we WANT TO BELIEVE in things and we go to the places that interpret the news that we want to hear. We vote for the politicians that tell us what we want to hear.
Politicians have completely mastered the art of telling lies that people want to hear for a living to get elected and sell self serving agenda's.
It's what they do best by a wide margin. They are the quintessential Kings and Queens of Charlatanism.
And most of us know it. But here's the thing.
We only recognize when politicians that say things we don't like are lying. When politicians tell lies that we want to believe and want to hear...........they get a free pass!
We pick our "go to" media information sources the exact same way too!
Senator Lindsey Graham on Hannity tonight, demonstrated EXACTLY why and how extreme war hawks like him have caused tens of millions of unnecessary deaths from U.S. caused wars the past 7 decades.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100094/#100159
His mentality is the quintessential example of what the biggest threat to peace in this world is from.
The United States is in HUGE trouble!
We are now the targets of massive potential terrorist attacks of all sorts from multiple sources and countries. With planning, organizations and people that want to seriously hurt us growing rapidly.
1. Our key ally Israel's diabolical atrocities against defenseless women and children because they hate Palestinians/Muslims. This has resulted in increasing conflicts with Iran, the Middle East and the Muslim world.
2. Our war with Russia, using Ukraine and Ukrainians and our weapons.
3. Our conflicts with China
4. Conflict with North Korea
TESTIMONY OF Alejandro N. Mayorkas
Secretary U.S. Department of Homeland Security
BEFORE
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
United States Senate
ON
“Threats to the Homeland”
October 31, 2023
Washington, DC
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Testimony-Mayorkas-2023-10-31-REVISED.pdf
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100909/#100936
“Given the steady drumbeat of calls for attacks by foreign terrorist organizations since Oct. 7, we’re working around the clock to identify and disrupt potential attacks by those inspired by Hamas’s horrific terrorist attacks in Israel,” Wray said in an appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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Either he's clueless/incompetent or intentionally lying. The inspiration is coming from WHAT ISRAEL HAS BEEN DOING TO GAZA! Not from what Hamas did to Israel on Oct. 7.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100909/#100936
This is no brainer critical thinking 101!
After Hamas attacked Israel, on Oct. 7, the world was outraged at Hamas and condemned Hamas and Israel had the moral high ground and empathy. Terrorist organizations that hate Israel and the United States didn't suddenly become outraged and energized from Israel being victimized.
Israel's diabolical response (a couple orders of magnitude worse than anything reasonable-punishing and killing innocent women and children) completely forfeited the moral high ground and empathy as billions of people with a few objective brain cells watched in horror.
THAT'S what outraged the most people by a wide margin. That's what's inspiring FRESH terrorism by those people who want justice, to hold the US and Israel accountable for their unpunished war crimes.
That’s what’s caused the record spike higher in antisemitism.
Plots to avenge this are being hatched in many countries by many times more people than the few Hamas that Israel will kill.
Theres no going back. However, Israel can make it stop gettting worse or continue on this path to make it much worse.
I really don’t understand their thinking here, other than being driven by such intense hatred and revenge that they are unable to think clearly.
Are they trying to start WW3 and think the US will bail them out by helping them to obliterate the Arab world?
Thats doesn’t even make sense but neithe does what they’re doing now.
They must be so arrogant and unable to see thru the eyes of other people that they are oblivious to seeing How ruinous these actions will be to the future of Israel.
I pray for some sort of miracle intervention that promises a path of healing and respect that lifts up Palestine.
Otherwise, we’ll end up with 10+ times the number that are in Hamas, with the same mindset of being devoted to wiping out Israel.
I’m thinking these brilliant people have a fatal personality flaw related to a massive ego and underestimating what the people they dehumanize are capable of……..that makes them completely incapable of comprehending this Blatantly obvious impact.
This isn’t speculation about what the response will be.
It’s understanding human beings and the outcome is just a matter of how bad the blowback will be.
With the worse imaginable outcome a distinct possibility.
Again, this is the complete opposite of what I want to happen.
yes politicians take us to war. They may even think for a good cause and cannot be avoided. But those same politicians do not go to war with the guts to do what take to win the damn thing and get out. Except for Trump. And then you note Rand Paul. Wow.
"But those same politicians do not go to war with the guts to do what take to win the damn thing and get out. Except for Trump."
Thanks, mcfarm!
You are being grossly misled to think that we can just go to key locations in the world, conquer them and/or their agenda, change their regime to the one we want them to have.......then leave and they will accept a new way(ours) and be grateful to us after that. Or that it will wipe out all the bad people there and cause the United States to be a safer place.
That blatantly flawed mentality is what constantly gets us into conflicts that almost always become extremely COUNTER productive.
Lost lives of brave soldiers(and innocent people). Tremendous disruptions in that country and decimation of structures that require massive rebuilding costs. Lost U.S. tax payer money. Lost credibility in the world. MANY, MANY More people hate us.
This is NOT speculation. It's based entirely on authentic facts and history.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100127/
So why would we keep repeating this over and over and over?
Because the gatekeepers of messages have convincing sounding propaganda to sell wars. The only benefactors, almost every single time are The Military-Industrial-Political(bought and paid for) complex. And the media that reaps ratings benefits because conflicts in the news are what sells most and boosts profits.
Even with it continuously failing almost every time, people keep falling for it because they don't use objective, critical thinking. Instead, they go to their favorite echo chambers to have messages that they want to hear/read get repeated over and over. Those that line up with their political ideology. The charlatan messengers are just using them for their self serving interests!
This is impossible for the tens of millions of victims of the effective propagandized people to comprehend. If they were able to see it............they wouldn't be victims anymore!
People can usually see when SOMEBODY ELSE is being brainwashed but by definition, are ALWAYS blind to their own brainwashes!
In fact, while captured in a brainwash, that person will usually assume that the other side is the one being brainwashed. That's because their world and their truth have been defined by a manufactured reality. By their brains definition, only the MANUFACTURED reality is the truth. Things that contradict their manufactured reality, including authentic truths are rejected as lies and DISinformation.
This war mongering, brainwashed mentality is actually one of the biggest reasons that I was NEVER McCain!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccains-100-years-in-iraq/
The charge results from comments McCain made at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire in January. After a questioner told McCain that President Bush has talked about staying in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said, "make it a hundred."
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Based on McCain's position, we would still have almost 80 years to go in Iraq. Again, I am not speculating..........just using rock solid facts, with an interpretation of them to reach objective discernment for generously sharing here INDEPENDENT of political party since I am neither R or D and only pick and choose based on what's right and what's wrong.........always choosing the objective truth.
Show me an objective fact/evidence that I have something wrong AND I WILL IMMEDIATELY,. in the very next post acknowledge that and adjust or change my opinion on the spot.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100074/#100079
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If you were taught, since being a young child that the sun revolves around the earth or you were born more than 500 years ago and taught that..........anybody that claimed the earth revolves around the sun was lying or ignorant!
"Just look up in the sky, man! You can clearly see the sun moving from the eastern horizon to the west, then setting. Day after day! That has to be the sun revolving around the earth. What else could it be???"
Same exact principle here, mcfarm.
Slick charlatans are selling the manufactured "sun revolves the earth" mentality using convincing sounding propaganda/DISinformation to people that want to believe it for their self serving (political or corrupted science/crony capitalism) interests.
However, that doesn't change the reality of the earth revolving around the sun with the earth ALSO rotating/spinning around on it's own axis being the authentic, scientific truth that explains why the sun moves across our sky to the eyes of an observer on earths surface, as it does!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100909/#101056
1. We learn MUCH, MUCH MORE when discovering things that WE DIDN'T KNOW and CORRECTING things that we thought we knew based on flawed thinking in a political ideology. This requires having an open mind!
2. We learn very little by having things that we think that we know repeated over and over to reassure us that we are right about everything.
The path with #2 is the easy road. The path with #1 is much tougher and often psychologically painful but always the most rewarding because it ALWAYS results in the most growth for us as human beings.
While the US flushes 100+ billion down the toilet to fight a lost war against Russia, that COULD HAVE been spend on protecting our own borders and strengthening our own defense, foreign entities and terrorists have been making plans to greatly harm us.....as we support Israels horrific Genocide and invite organized attacks on our country by pro Palestinians who want justice for these crimes that we support.
Not maybe. They are doing it right now.
And there's China:
https://medium.com/@kikej/chinas-cyberattacks-on-u-s-infrastructure-what-we-know-so-far-6f89612bd9b4
Biden: Don't worry about that stuff. The real threat is Russia. We need to send Ukraine another 60,000,000,000 now or the war will end! Ukraine still has half their military left. We fight to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldier blood has been shed.
And the climate crisis which is the biggest existential threat to the planet which is why I'm spending the 1 trillion to fix the climate using crony capitalism. Never mind that the optimal level of beneficial CO2(the building block for all life) on this greening planet is double this and the optimal global temperature for most life is still several degrees warmer than this.
Propaganda: Haven't you read the news this week?? Putin is sending nuclear weapons into space. If we don't send another 60,000,000,000 of our tax dollars to continue the completely counterproductive war with Russia, he will use nukes in space (never mind that they would destroy his own satellites) and he will invade and conquer Europe if we don't stop him in Ukraine.
NATO: Never mind that we only tell the truth about our war with Russia 10% of the time. We're NATO and the good guys, so you should believe the other 90% too.