ALMOST 2 HOURS LONG
Thanks much, Jean!
You brought that to the best place possible to get that extremely convincing (if you don't know ALL the facts) propaganda busted!
Isn't it odd they intentionally did not show the most important piece of evidence that trumps everything else?
Chauvin kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes.
And they intentionally did not include the coroners report that did NOT attribute his death to a drug overdose, that's a lie.
Fortunately on 11-18-23, I don't need to do the many dozens of hours of investigating to get all that because I DID THAT ALREADY to bust all the DISinformation here when that was going on.
Every piece of evidence below was fact checked by me using multiple sources when possible.
"The Whole George Floyd Story Was A Lie": Tucker Carlson
Started by metmike - Oct. 21, 2023, 3:50 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99855/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88909/#88941
Latest on the George Floyd legal case
14 responses |
Started by GunterK - March 19, 2021, 9:01 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/66867/
Derek Chauvin trial
61 responses |
Started by metmike - March 29, 2021, 10:39 p.m.
Chauvin verdict reached
36 responses |
Started by metmike - April 20, 2021, 4:13 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/68270/
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Now that 2 years has passed, sometimes we can look back at additional information, which can show us new things that we didn't know before and can learn from. But only if we want to learn.
Following weeks of testimony in a closely watched case, a 12-member jury found former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin guilty on all countsin the death of George Floyd, a 46-year old Black man who died while being restrained by Chauvin in police custody last May.
As Americans flooded the streets to mark the verdict, misinformation erupted on social media.
Despite video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, a viral social media post claims Floyd's death was the result of a drug overdose.
"Derek Chauvin is not responsible for George Floyd's drug overdose," reads a screenshot of a tweet shared to Instagram on April 20 with more than 5,000 likes.
In the photo's caption, the user added other misleading claims such as: Floyd had COVID-19; had no injuries to his neck, muscles, esophagus trachea or brain; he went into cardiac arrest from drug overdose; and his lungs were three times normal size, "indicative of opiate overdose."
Similar versions of the claim have been shared across other platforms. One Facebook page wrote on April 20, "Science says Floyd died of an overdose & also says he wasn't suffocated."
USA TODAY reached out to the Instagram user and Facebook page for comment. The Instagram post has apparently been deleted.
The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police.
Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart.
Similarly, an independent autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family ruled "asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause" of Floyd's death.
Floyd family attorney Benjamin Crump said at a news conference in June 2020 that Dr. Michael Baden and Dr. Allecia Wilson performed the autopsy, finding there was "neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."
Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist and critical care specialist of Loyola University Medical Center, also testified during Chauvin's trial that Floyd died of a lack of oxygen from being pinned to the pavement with a knee on his neck. He added, “A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died."
Tobin noted Floyd's body position – officers lifting up his handcuffed arms, Chauvin's knee on his neck, back and sides – are what led to his low oxygen levels, resulting in "low tidal volume, which gives you shallow breaths."
While findings from Floyd's autopsy revealed 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl in his blood, medical experts called as prosecution witnesses agreed the amount of fentanyl was not enough to be considered fatal.
Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist at NMS Labs in Pennsylvania, testified and presented data showing the levels of methamphetamine found in Floyd's system were lower than the average amount found in 94% of DUI cases in 2020.
Additionally, the report does not say Floyd's lungs were three times normal size, as the post claims. The autopsy states sections of the right and left lung showed "generally normal overall architecture."
The claim that the cause of Floyd's death was a fentanyl overdose is FALSE, based on our research. The medical examiner's autopsy and an independent autopsy done at the request of Floyd's family both ruled his death a homicide. Floyd's toxicology report revealed fentanyl in his system, however, experts agree it was not enough to be considered fatal. COVID-19 was not listed as a factor in Floyd's death, and claims that Floyd didn't have any life-threatening injuries are misleading. Floyd's lack of oxygen during his arrest resulted in brain damage and caused his heart to stop.
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As proven conclusively here with all sources, Tim it's YOU that are ignoring ALL the evidence, including that from 2 autopsies, so that you can believe a manufactured/false narrative(that was carried on far right sites, including Zero Hedge and Fox in the evening) that told you what you wanted to believe.....and no amount of authentic evidence has been able to get you to UNbelieve it.
mcfarm and Gunter did the same thing because they completely believed in those same really bad far right sources. Read the posts in the above thread, especially the first one that show that.
The ANTI scientific method.
Now that you know the indisputable truth(or should know based on every reasonable definition of the truth), are you interested in applying the authentic Scientific Method to this case, here on September 19, 2022?
I'll add even more today.
George Floyd was a career criminal for sure. It's sad that a person like that became a martyr but he didn't ask to die for passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
He was extremely uncooperative as the video shows and on drugs but it also shows that he's mentally ill without question.
Since when does a cop have the right to kill somebody for those reasons?
Justifying that in this video is pushing a dehumanizing value to human beings that are not as good as the rest of us.
They claim that if George Floyd had told the truth about the drugs that he took it would have saved his life and him denying taking the pills makes him responsible for his own death.
That's pathetic logic. When do people that used an illegal drug, tell the cops "I just took X pills of an illegal drug?
Then, at the end, of this video, they completely distort the facts about fentanyl. The autopsy and coroners report is quite clear that compression to his neck stopped his breathing and thats what killed him NOT THE FENTENYL.
George Floyd was an addict with a very high tolerance for one thing but the clear murder weapon was taped for us to see for 9 minutes, a cop kneeling on his neck.
He was NOT resisting then. He had handcuffs on the entire time. Even after he stopped breathing for several minutes, the cop remained kneeling on his neck.
WE SAW IT MAN! That's why they didn't show it in this propaganda video.
Then, he didn't try to revive him after getting off his neck.
But he was just a piece of human trash because he had a criminal record, used drugs and was black.
Floyd pleaded for his life for 4 minutes and 45 seconds, Blackwell said. He was unresponsive for the final 4 minutes and 44 seconds.
The jurors listen attentively as Blackwell laid out a timeline of the video, pointing to when bystanders attempted to intervene and when Floyd spoke his last words.
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Watch this actual footage for the REAL truth with the video that shows the murder by way of Chauvin killing Floyd with 100% certainty. There is not a shred of doubt to anybody that watched it.
The bystanders are yelling at and pleading with the cops over and over and over and over but Chauvin refuses to do anything but kneel on his neck until he stopped breathing.
Then for good measure, he stayed kneeling on his neck for several more minutes.
Then they waited for an ambulance to arrive and never try to resuscitate his lifeless body at any time, even after the cop got off his neck.
The video to start this thread lasted 2 hours. Why did they not show this most important part?
We know the answer.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html
Obviously the horrible George Floyd riots in 2020 after this event were crimes and completely unjustified and THOSE people should have been brought to justice but that doesn't change any of the facts about who killed Floyd and how he died.
And there isn't a shred of legal or scientific or medical or physical evidence doubt about that fact!
Tucker and others can trick millions of people with their intelligence stealing magic, telling them what they want to hear and twisting facts like a pretzel with convincing DISinformation and lies.
But they can't change the truth.
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Re: IT PAYS TO BE A HATER, EH?
By metmike - July 21, 2023, 4:22 p.m.
Jean,
I was shaking my head in agreement with this guy:
George Floyd riots below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_racial_unrest
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But then, the guy that wrote the article that you sent stated this with his conclusion:
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/07/21/nyc-to-pay-2020-rioters-about-10000-each-n566105
"Derek Chauvin, the police officer who restrained Floyd, clearly went too far in restraining Floyd. But the autopsy clearly shows he didn’t kill him–Floyd died of an overdose from meth and fentanyl"
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I really don't know much about this particular person at the moment, maybe somebody else mislead him to believe that blatant lie. However, he clearly likes that lie and is going around repeating it (instead of the truth) because he likes it so much because an easy fact check would prove it to be a blatant lie.
Everybody that reads it is misled by that lie and he does more damage with his article than good.
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Keep in mind that I am NOT a fan of using George Floyd as somebody that inspires people or that did any good for society that deserves to get a special place being honored. We have tens of thousands of soldiers and cops that gave up their lives to help people or for our country. I get the symbolism but please don't use a self centered career criminal that died because of blatantly violating laws and refusing to cooperate with the arresting officers as a hero.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85870/#85871
talk about propaganda, MM. Why did you skip right over the more important early part of the incident? Was that to shade certain facts? If you will go find it, there are accurate reports of Floyd entering the store acting completely unconnected, rational or in control of himself. He passes counterfeit money for supplies and goods. The police calls are there to be heard and again what the police got was a out of control, dope, alcohol or other loaded suspect that had just committed obvious crimes. Think maybe this info might of changed the way a police office would approach this mess. An unhinged dope or alcohol loaded very large, strong suspect would make a normal person wary much less a trained officer. Its so odd you never say word about the untrained DC security office who shot and killed an unarmed women but these trained offices suffer your attacks every time the subject is brought up. It seems an agenda is being pursued for some reason or another.
"talk about propaganda, MM. Why did you skip right over the more important early part of the incident? Was that to shade certain facts? If you will go find it, there are accurate reports of Floyd entering the store acting completely unconnected, rational or in control of himself. He passes counterfeit money for supplies and goods."
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Thanks, mcfarm.
Instead of assuming what my position is to justify a position you took 3.5 years ago that has been reinforced with far right DISinformation, please read what I just stated.
Re: Re: THE FALL OF MINNEAPOLIS
By metmike - Nov. 18, 2023, 8:39 p.m.
"I'll add even more today.
George Floyd was a career criminal for sure. It's sad that a person like that became a martyr but he didn't ask to die for passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
He was extremely uncooperative as the video shows and on drugs but it also shows that he's mentally ill without question.
Since when does a cop have the right to kill somebody for those reasons?
Justifying that in this video is pushing a dehumanizing value to human beings that are not as good as the rest of us."
No, I never did and never will agree the police had any right to harm a suspect. I am saying the evidence is there to raise the police's defenses systems and be ready for what would lead to a deadly encounter. A man of Floyd's background being turned into an innocent martyr has ruined any positives in this story.
For sure mcfarm,
Repeated again above too:
Re: IT PAYS TO BE A HATER, EH?
By metmike - July 21, 2023, 4:22 p.m.
Keep in mind that I am NOT a fan of using George Floyd as somebody that inspires people or that did any good for society that deserves to get a special place being honored. We have tens of thousands of soldiers and cops that gave up their lives to help people or for our country. I get the symbolism but please don't use a self centered career criminal that died because of blatantly violating laws and refusing to cooperate with the arresting officers as a hero.
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I will add something new here after some additional thought.
What Floyd represents here is something completely different than our traditional hero's who do things to help people and make the world a better place.
He represented a dirt bag in society that seemed to be contributing nothing but bad things at the time of his death.
But he represents a human life, nonetheless and I can see people using him to represent, not a hero but a human life that got discarded because a cop decided he was worthless.
Here's a summary of his life. You might be surprised to know that he played college football and basketball for 2 years on a scholarship and you could see in the video, the guy was a gifted athlete. Drug addicts don't ever physically look like George Floyd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd
I will point out that this biography of George Floyd's life has been adjusted to embellish a great deal on some of his positives compared to when I read it right after his death but who exactly does that hurt?
If people want to see him as a better person than what he really was, who does that hurt?
You've been to a few funerals in your life and know that after people die, most of us focus on their positives and good things.
Have you ever listened to a eulogy from somebody that brought up bad things about the person that just died?
I've had the privilege to deliver half a dozen eulogies and can tell you that the thought process is to gather as many positives from as many people as possible who knew them well and communicate THEIR thoughts to a large group gathered, many that didn't know some of the better things that person did in their lives. It's to hear a tribute to them.
I knew some things about these people that were not so admirable, 2 in particular that did some rotten stuff but you brush that aside at a eulogy. It makes everybody feel good. It sends the right positive message about that person's life having meaning.
That's what George Floyd's life is all about. Ironically, it only had meaning in a death that he didn't sign up for but we aren't celebrating him as a war hero or president......lives that people CHOOSE.
We're' honoring him because he wasted his talents and was a dirt bag sort of guy that represents a less valued form of human life but should still be viewed with a minimal amount of dignity that every human being deserves, no matter who they are or what they did. Even dirt bags.
Of course we have the additional dynamic of George Floyd being black and the cop being white that is the focus and causes most of the emotions on both sides.
The white cop had all the power and abused it to the absolute max by intentionally killing somebody in a manner that reeks of hated and racism based on what we know about hate crimes.
If that video of him killing Floyd did not exist, there was a real good chance of those cops getting away with murder.
How many incidents like that have occurred in the past when cops didn't have accountability, while being given blanket impunity to apply justice on the fly, based on circumstances just like Floyd's?
That's why mandatory body cams ARE solving this problem. One side doesn't want to admit it but a tremendous amount of progress has been made to SOLVE this problem
I don't believe that it was ever systemic and I am certain that the vast majority of cops were great cops but body cams and drastic changes in transparency around the country have seriously help resolve the bad apples.
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I've been a strong advocate supporting cops most of my life and there is even MORE reason to support them now with these needed changes weeding out the bad ones.
The main problem is the 6+ times higher violent crime rate for young black men NOT the ones called on to risk their lives to enforce the laws that they break!
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Blame the cops!
8 responses | 0
Started by metmike - June 17, 2023, 10:10 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96371/
Memphis releases video
9 responses |
Started by metmike - Jan. 27, 2023, 9:36 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92590/
Crime in NYC is down, not up.
14 responses |
Started by joj - Nov. 22, 2022, 10:40 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/90946/
taking down the cops(good ones too)
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/68329/
Using statistics to lie and smear cops
https://www.marketforum.com ...
Please don't hate the cops
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/68696/
Kim Potter
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79524
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79523
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79524
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79535
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79536
But it only goes a small part of the way to SEE the problem as being the extremely high crime rate from blacks. One has to come up with solutions to address it and make it better, which can only be applied after acknowledging what the real problem is.
These have been some of my ideas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53752/#53753
We've responded to the outcry of racism by "some" bad apples in law enforcement with widespread, big changes to hold them accountable.
That did nothing to address the main problem........the incredibly high violent crime rate for young black men.
If you're reading anything here, the information at these 2 links is the most profound of all, so I will repeat them again.
"These have been some of my ideas."
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53752/#53753
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53282/#53284
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Without changes to the root cause, blacks committing violent crimes.......blacks dying from the high crime rates in their neighborhoods/communities will continue to take the biggest toll.
Jesse Waters, another huge charlatan featured this story on his show tonight.
Jesse interviewed a dishonest cop that kept repeating that the media made up a false narrative about the cops who arrested George Floyd and everybody believed the false narrative after that.
Jesse and the lying cop kept repeating this lie.
The false narratives are coming from people like Jesse and the lying cop not the MSM, prosecutor or coroner (that called this a homicide because of compression on Floyd's neck but we didn't need that because it was on video-which is no longer available online).
To repeat this lie is nuts because we have:
1. An actual video of the entire murder by Chauvin that knelt on his neck for 9 minutes with Floyds being handcuffed behind his back and obviously not resisting.
2. An autopsy from the coroner that states clearly, the cause of death was from compression on his neck.
Most of the country is basing this on their EYES and EARS watching Chauvin kneel on his neck for 9 minutes, the last 3 minutes after Floyd stopped breathing.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/29/us/george-floyd-timing-929-846/index.html
Fox viewers are relying on Fox to tell them what to believe, while NEVER showing 1 second of the taped murder.
Have you seen the new, free documentary yet? Sure has some interesting takes on our crooked FBI, DOJ, the reports on Floyd's health, the wounds or lack there of on the body and so on.
"the reports on Floyd's health, the wounds or lack there of on the body and so on."
mcfarm,
I agree that the DOJ is blatantly corrupted.
THE FBI IS IN ON THE BIDEN CORRUPTION
Started by 12345 - Oct. 26, 2023, 3:46 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100013/
The US is a very corrupt country
26 responses |
Started by metmike - June 27, 2023, 11:41 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96752/
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But that doesn't mean that everything from everybody that disagrees with what you want to believe is corrupt.
You have to take each case separately and apply the authentic facts objectively to find the truth. Not just believe sources that abuse the truth with DISinformation, conspiracy theories and propaganda in order to manufacture fake realities that are used to control people and for their self serving agenda.
George Floyd dying from compression to his neck was witnessed and recorded for 9+ minutes and backed by the autopsy, going to sites that lie about that will never change it.
Me proving it indisputably is not going to change your mind obviously but when you continue to repeat the far right lies about that like a parrot, I will continue to correct it with the truth.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100692/#100693
so I guess you have not seen the new free documentary because you do not need new additional information. Not the way a scientist would answer is it?
Mcfarm, I’ll be more than happy to watch it but if I watched it rain all day and my rain gauge measured 3 inches of rain on a day in May 2020 and my ground was saturated from the heavy rain and the NWS radar measured 3 inches for that event, would you not agree that it proves it raine 3 inches.
We watched the cop kill Floyd for the entire 9 minutes. Thats why we know to the second, how long he was kneelimg on his neck.
The nonsense stating otherwise will always be nonsense no matter what the brand of nonsense ….just like if you tried to tell me it didn’t really rain on the day I watched it rain 3 inches.
This is just another example of how people today will believe anything their sources convince them to believe because they want to believe it.
mcfarm, I can’t help somebody that won’t help themself.
mcfarm,
If you were referring to the documentary at the top from Jean. I actually watched every second of it before making my first comment.
I thought that maybe you were referring to ANOTHER one in Addition to this one. Seriously, the nonsense on this is impossible for me to keep track of, so I'll leave that to you guys to bring up the latest far right points..........which are very welcome here to be fact checked and found either true or false based on objective, independent, authentic evidence.
Please apply every comment that I made in this thread, starting from the first one with the knowledge that I had already viewed the ENTIRE 2 hour video, which I already noted earlier and thought that you were reading me.
If your wondering why you are getting constant fact checking and ethics lessons on the Non Trading Related section of our trading forum.
Please read the reason that I'm here!
https://www.marketforum.com/about/
I've learned more from 5 years of being moderator than the previous 25 years!
Much of that comes from engaging in threads like this and fact checking for authentic discernment.
It's fine with me if people don't find value in this for them........but its there for anybody that wants it and I will always respect others and consider you my friends, regardless of differences.
Hate
Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
I'VE JUST BEGUN WATCHING THIS... DON'T KNOW HOW IT ENDS
The Truth about George Floyd's Death | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show
EDIT.... WOWWWWW TWO VERY GROWN UP MEN!! WHAT A PLEASURE TO SEE.
IMO, OF COURSE
Thanks much, Jean!
Just keep going to sources that tell you what you want to believe THAT CONTRADICT ALL THE MOST RELEVANT FACTS.
This guy claims the knee was on his shoulder. That's a blatant lie!
We watched it on video DIRECTLY ON HIS NECK. The jury watched it. I watched it over a dozen times from start to finish. They took it off the internet because it was so upsetting to so many people.
We heard Floyd gasping that he couldn't breath for the initial few minutes. Calling out "Mama, Mama..... then Chauvin leaned even harder on his neck to completely cut off his breathing. WE WATCHED IT on the video.
He stopped gasping for air at that point and completely stopped breathing for over 3 minutes. WE WATCHED IT ON THE VIDEO
When the cop finally took his knee off FLOYD'S NECK, after 9 minutes, Floyd had stopped breathing for 3 minutes and the cops did nothing to try to resuscitate him. That's THEIR JOB! WE WATCHED IT on the video!
The coroner ruled it was homicide from the compression on his neck. That would be strong enough but WE WATCHED HIM DO IT ON TAPE FOR 9+ minutes!
They took the video of George Floyd's murder off the internet because it was horrifying to tens of millions of people (with empathy) that resulted in outrage and violence.
The violence was totally uncalled for. There's never an excuse for this behavior, especially since it was an incident, murdering 1 person by 1 racist cop. But we know with 100% certainty what caused the riots And the video evidence was one of the biggest factors.
The cold blooded killing of George Floyd witnessed by anybody hooked up to the internet that wanted to watch. There were over 1.6 Billion views online!!!
No tape of the incident = almost no rioting.
Since the tape is gone, these sources think they can lie with impuntity about what was on it. I watched with detailed analysis every second over a dozen times. So did many others describing it accurately that completely DEBUNK the lies of the sources above.
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It's amazing that when we want to believe something, we will pick blatant lies over the rock solid, proven truths because its not the evidence that matters but what our political ideology, sources and cognitive bias compel us to believe. They are so powerful that they will trump the crystal clear TRUTH based on every authentic standard!
Like with mcfarm and his election fraud manure. This isn't a debate on what happened. That was clearly proven a long time ago.
It's an analysis on what causes people to reject the truth because they want to believe the lie(s) that line up with what they want to be true and go to sources that tell them those lies which line up with their wishful thinking.
MIKE... I REALLY GET SICK OF YOU TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT TO DO & THINK!!
IMO... YOU'VE GOT A MAJOR PROBLEM... CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL!! BLEH!
Thanks, Jean!
Since you've been here for some time, I think you know my objective is to help people to experience growth in their lives.
I generously share thousands of hours of my time in providing as many opportunities for readers to do that, while busting propaganda, DISinformation and lies.
Hate(and love)
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/#99765
I'll repeat something mentioned recently here for you:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77011/#100994
1. We learn MUCH MORE when discovering things that WE DIDN'T KNOW and CORRECTING things that we thought that we knew based on flawed thinking in a political ideology. This requires having an open mind!
2. We learn very little by having things that we think that we know repeated over and over to reassure us that we are right about everything.
The path with #2 is the easy road. The path with #1 is much tougher and often psychologically painful but always the most rewarding because it ALWAYS results in the most growth for us as human beings.
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You have free will on what path that you want to take.
You've made some wonderful contributions here that are much appreciated, Jean!
However, how in tarnation do you and mcfarm think that you are going to get the green light at this ANTI echo chamber on stuff that is complete nonsense, based on all the rock solid, authentic evidence that you guys refuse to accept because it doesn't match up with your belief systems?
When somebody shows me legit evidence that disagrees with me, I adjust or completely change my position ON THE SPOT! And I'm extremely grateful because that means I just learned something new. No exceptions! I've thanked you many dozens of times for information here.
When it's the opposite, I step in and show the authentic truth defining that realm. That's what I do.
When that person goes on and on and on because they refuse to see the objective truth, I go into a different mode. I analyze why they are refusing to accept the totally proven, authentic proof.
Your choice to try to turn this into a winnable debate using sources saying the exact same things that you want to believe and I already busted over and over and over and over the past 3+ years means you have chosen path #2 above.
In that case, I will correct the lies of your sources with the truth (AGAIN) and do an analysis of why you continue to post this way for others to understand this kind of behavior better.
I've been upfront and transparent about this for years.
Nothing personal, Jean.
I consider you a good friend and appreciate you a great deal here but your reaction is based on your intentional choices. I'm just consistently applying NON POLITICAL(favoring neither side, except the authentic truth), ethical standards using objective discernment based on being able to step outside political ideologies that tether most people to believing things based on their cognitive bias that results in a disabling of their objective critical thinking.
You obviously don't appreciate this but I'm doing you a much bigger favor as a friend with the hard to acknowledge truths, than sources that use you with their lies.
Thanks, Jean!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/101353/#101358
“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly—and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.”
When the police take someone into custody, they are responsible for their health. The police are required to give aid to him.
They were also responsible to give prompt aid to the woman who died in the tunnel Jan 6.
Ashely Babbit was murdered the same as Mr Floyd. JMHO
CUTWORM... I AGREE WITH YOU.
MY PHILOSOPHY HAS ALWAYS BEEN... PEOPLE KNOW WRONG FROM RIGHT. IF THEY DO WRONG, THEY SHOULD "MAN UP" TO THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES IF / WHEN THEY GET CAUGHT. PLAIN & SIMPLE.
DON'T DO WRONG & YOUR CHANCES AT LIFE ARE MUCH BETTER.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Thanks, cutworm,
True that the police are supposed to care for people in their custody and try to save their lives if they have an emergency event.
"Ashely Babbit was murdered the same as Mr Floyd"
As different as night and day from the George Floyd murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt
Babbitt attempted to climb through a shattered window beside a barricaded door into the Speaker's Lobby, and was shot in the left shoulder by a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer.[5][6][7][8][9] After a USCP emergency kresponse team administered aid, Babbitt was transported to Washington Hospital Center, where she died.[10][11] The USCP deemed the shooting was "lawful and within Department policy" and "potentially saved Members (of Congress) and staff from serious injury and possible death.
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Babbit was part of an angry, violent mob, some armed(she was found to have a knife on her), breaking into the capitol building, while shouting threats to do violence(hang Mike Pence, for instance). ignoring police orders for them to back off.
They were doing their jobs, defending the building and risking their lives to try to prevent the rioters from entering in this case (at that location) and from getting to the Congress.
When the cops fired a shot into her shoulder, they were also defending themselves from serious bodily harm as the rioters were physically in a confrontation with the cops trying to hold their ground and the rioters refused to stop their violent riot.
George Floyd, on the other hand tried to pass a phony $20 bill. He didn't cooperate for awhile with cops arresting him but he was not armed and was not threatening to do violence to anybody.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd
The biggest difference came after George Floyd had been handcuffed with his hands behind his back and forced to lay face down on the ground, completely subdued and no threat to anybody.
Instead of putting him in the cop car, Chauvin decided to to give him a death sentence for the crime of counterfeiting. Kneeling on his neck with much of his body weight, with Floyd saying he couldn't breath for several minutes and crying out for his Mama(while he was still just barely able to breath). With the crowd yelling at Chauvin that he was going to kill Floyd.
Then Chauvin leaned more of his weight on Floyd's neck, because he didn't die right away, causing the compression to stop his breathing completely. In the absence of Oxygen, his heart failed which would happen to most healthy people deprived of O2. After this happened and he was totally unresponsive, Officer Keung checked his pulse and found no pulse.
Instead of trying to revive him, Chauvin remained in that position for an additional 3+ minutes to make sure he was dead with numerous bystanders yelling that he was killing Floyd and pleading for Chauvin to get off of his neck.
When he finally took the knee off his neck, the cops did nothing to try to resuscitate him. One has to assume that they wanted him dead based on every iota of the evidence.
They didn't just fail to provide aid, Chauvin did the diametrically opposed opposite........intentionally murdering a handcuffed man that was face down on the concrete.
Both coroner autopsies and 1 autopsy review all agreed definitively that Chauvin killed him with the knee compression on his neck.
A lung expert (pulmonologist) and drug expert stated the same thing.
It was recorded on video tape which over 1 billion people watched.
The 9 minute cold blooded execution of a handcuffed black man by a white cop playing on the internet is what amplified the magnitude of the outrage during that Summer, which caused most of the rioting. Without that video evidence, Chauvin and his partners would never have received their just punishments. This is why body cams on cops has been so effective recently at holding police accountable.
It was one of the most shocking and offensive videos ever. It was decided to censor the video because it was outraging millions of people to the point of rioting.
The jury based their decision on these rock solid facts above.
Since then, Nefarious sources with false narratives, keep making up that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose.......and from heart disease. This is NOT true. They wouldn't be doing this if that video has not been censored because of the upsetting content. This is an example of what people/cops did before body cams on cops existed. They had opportunities to lie about what happened to blame the victim and not the cops because there was no video evidence to prove one side or the other side and the cops usually got the benefit of the doubt. Again, I am extremely pro law enforcement and the VAST majority of cops are honest, good people. Not racists and all of them risk their lives to make our lives safer/better.
Lung expert testifies George Floyd died because his breathing was restricted
I have proved these things with all the rock solid evidence over and over here but people that don't want to believe..........just go to their sources that grant their wishes of believing in a fake world that lines up with all their ideologies..... by telling them manufactured versions of stories which leave out inconvenient facts that they don't want to be true and replace them with other false narratives/facts that have been proven to be blatant lies, over and over.
That's why people go to these charlatans. The charlatans know it and by design, they exploit people's desire to believe certain things by stating those things. Many of them actually believe their own manure because they too want it to be true. Repeating convincing sounding lies will often beat the truth if enough people do it and enough people believe them.
1. George Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose not the reality of the execution that we watched on tape for 9+ minutes and every authentic medial authority testified to-R
2. The Ds stole the 2020 election using a yet to be discovered, magical mystery scheme-R
3. Trump was exercising his First Amendment rights, not the reality of trying to overturn the most secure presidential election in history with diabolical schemes-R
4. The fake climate crisis is killing the planet, NOT the reality of the planet greening up from the beneficial increase of CO2 and experiencing the best weather/climate for MOST life in 1,000 years..........the last time that it was this warm during the Medieval WARM Period-D
5. The COVID vaccine kills more people than the virus-R
6. Trump colluded with Russia and that's how he beat Hillary Clinton in 2016-D
7. Biden did nothing wrong and the Rs are just being political-D
8. Hunter just had a drug problem which caused him to make a few bad choices-D
9. Biden isn't too old or suffering major cognitive decline. He's always made gaffes-D
10. Israel is just defending itself and trying to minimize suffering for innocent people NOT using 20,000 lb dumb bombs on targets that include housing units, churches and historical sites. Starving 2+ million, 99% who are not Hamas, most that are homeless. Depriving them of fresh water, fuel/power and medical supplies/treatment. Killing 20,000+, injuring 50,000+ the majority being children and women. This is not really Genocide or dehumanizing by ethnically superior Israel-R
11 a. Putin will invade Europe and NATO countries if we don't stop him in Ukraine. Putin didn't really just want Ukraine to agree to stay out of NATO and we would have avoided the war completely.-D+R
11 b. We are supporting Ukraine and Ukrainians. NOT using them to fight our war, NOT getting over 500,000 dehumanized people killed(from both sides), 1 trillion in damages, widespread poverty, millions leaving the country, half their army dead or permanently disabled For the Biden/NATO agenda. Ukraine didn't really lose the war months ago-D+R
11 c. Zelensky is a hero NOT a betrayer of his people and election promise to negotiate peace with Russia and becoming a Biden/NATO PUPPET to get fame and glory while they use him and his country to have THEIR war to weaken Russia because they hate Putins guts D+R
12. My favorite lack of common sense. The insurrection was caused by the FBI in order to frame President Trump. Ray Epps was their leader and he incited thousands of people to riot, not president trump-R
13. Trump called 20,000 national guard troops to control the crowd but Nancy Pelosi blocked them from coming-R
14. There’s no immigration crisis on the southern border-D
15. The police are systemically racist. The US is systemically racist-D
These are not exceptions but instead, identify the topics and dynamics which define the brainwashing by gatekeepers in 2023, using advanced technology of communications to exploit people's cognitive bias, telling them what they want to hear/read and telling them how/what to think using propaganda, DISinformation and false narratives.
I counted 7 Rs and 7 Ds, along with the only one they united on...........the propaganda on the Ukraine war, only because BOTH SIDES are benefiting from the millions in legal bribing lobby money gushing into their political accounts from the military-industrial complex and the sensationalizing, dishonest, yellow journalism, ratings for profits driven media is in cahoots on, like they are on much of the above topics. Without the media being mouthpieces delivering the propaganda on topics like the Ukraine war for both sides and the fake climate crisis of the left, the brainwashing would be impossible.
On the far right, Fox and similar sources steal the intelligence of their viewers ….with charismatic charlatans, granting the wishes of viewers during every show by telling people what they want to hear In a world where their party is infallible and the other party is doo Doo, to obtain blockbuster ratings.
Since the 9+ minute video of Chauvin executing George Floyd was taken off the internet(because it was causing rioting) we only have images like this one below that are just 1 frame of the video.
If anybody can find a source of the video, it would be great but I searched everywhere. As soon as they took the video off the internet is exactly when nefarious sources started lying about Floyd dying from fentanyl and from a weak heart.
99.9% chance that if Chauvin did this to me, I would have died........ faster than Floyd who was 20 years younger in strong, male athletes body.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd
| Murder of George Floyd | |
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| Part of police brutality in the United States and racism against African Americans | |
 Frame from witness video, showing Derek Chauvin kneeling on George Floyd's neck | |
| Location | Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S. |
| Coordinates |  44.93433°N 93.26244°W |
| Date | May 25, 2020; 3 years ago c. 8:01–9:25 pm CDT (UTC−5) |
| Attack type | Murder by suffocation, police brutality |
| Victim | George Perry Floyd Jr. |
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/us/george-floyd-trnd/index.html
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This is not to ignore that Floyd had a criminal record. However, nobody deserves the death penalty, imposed by a cop for trying to pass a fake $20 bill.
Many know how George Floyd died. A new biography reveals how he lived
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/1099585400/george-floyd-biography-book
"Your book doesn't shy away from Floyd's missteps. He was arrested on drug charges. He was addicted to opioids. He pled guilty to an armed robbery for which he spent years in prison. And his friends and family seem to speak to you pretty openly about his criminal record. What did they say about his struggles with the law?"
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