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Started by metmike - Feb. 20, 2024, 7:22 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102430/
I'm not advocating this as a credible source, just showing you the mentality and justification from the other side, which is some cases, actually has merit.
Since people reading this have been bombarded with US propaganda on Ukraine/Russia/Israel/Palestine, that will have a hard time getting thru the brainwash.
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/213828/Iran-responds-to-Israeli-regime-s-numerous-crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehr_News_Agency
The Mehr News Agency (MNA; Persian: خبرگزاری مهر, romanized: Xabâr-gozâri Mehr) is a semi-official news agency of the Iranian government.[1] It is headquartered in Tehran, and is owned by the Iranian government's Islamic Development Organization
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The point is that if you want peace:
1. You don't INTENTIONALLY provoke your enemies, whether it's Russia or whether is Iran/Middle East countries.
2. You pay attention to what your enemies think and say and USE THAT to be smarter than them to control the situation to maintain peace.
But that's only if you want peace.
Crystal clearly, Israel's words and actions tell us that they WANT WAR and they're counting on the United States to join them.
The attack last week guaranteed, near 100% that we would see an escalation and this response. Israel knew that and did it intentionally. They want war.
I'll never be FOR Iran but being FOR Israel right now means getting the current leadership the hell out of there.......PERIOD!
There will be no DE escalation and any semblance of peace in the Middle East until the Netanyahu regime has been replaced with non corrupt, less extreme, better understanding/judgment, serious peace makers.
I want Israel to flourish. This is doing tremendous harm to their credibility around the world and draining them of productive resources and precious lives because of Netanyahu's agenda. It's ramped up antisemitism.
Stop blaming the enemy for all of this and look at disastrous leadership!!!!
Again, we need to understand our enemies and that includes understanding what they are most upset about and doing our best to make concessions that result in peace but don't do great harm to us.
Netanyahu is not capable of doing this.
We are supposed to be the more civilized side, yet our actions are often much more like the barbarians!!!!!
This latest escalation, although widely expected is taking us into new uncertain and uncharted territory. I'm actually much more concerned with what Netanyahu does next. He controls the outcome. He can continue the ethnic cleansing/genocide of innocent, fellow Muslims in Gaza and attack elsewhere with gusto and continue to insist on absurd things like, starving out 2 million people mostly children and women is self defense
OR he can display something he's not yet shown.........COURAGE! The courage of admitting his plan is failing miserably and destroying the credibility and future of Israel.
It doesn't take courage to have a 100 times more powerful military than Gaza and use it to obliterate 2 million innocent children and woman. In my book, this is the sign of a big COWARD! Trying to salvage his own neck at the expense of those innocents and the ones in his own country that are suffering from his decisions.
Usually, during wars, the people will circle the wagons and support their leaders. However, Netanyahu has completely lost the support and trust of the people of Israel who are the only ones that can get him out ASAP!
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/opinion/netanyahu-protests-legacy-war.html
The moment Israel’s devastating war in the Gaza Strip ends, the unfinished conflict within Israel over its future will begin again. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition partners know this. That may be, in part, why they have set the improbable aim of “total victory” as the war’s ultimate objective, and why they have so far refused any deal that would end the fighting in exchange for returning the roughly 100 hostages still in Hamas captivity. After almost six months, this war is already Israel’s longest since Israel’s war of independence.
The assault on Gaza has nearly frozen Israel’s fractious political system. Once-ferocious debates have largely been put on hold. Even Mr. Netanyahu’s most vociferous critics seek to avoid being painted as treasonous during a time when massive banners declaring “Together We Will Win” hang from skyscrapers. For months all of the country seem to have rallied behind the war. In service of keeping the war going, and unencumbered by any real opposition, Mr. Netanyahu also steered his country into a head-on collision with its most significant backer, the United States, putting his short-term political considerations ahead of the country’s long-term interests.
In the weeks following Hamas’s gruesome Oct. 7 incursion, Mr. Netanyahu’s political future looked bleak. The prime minister had long boasted that his more than 15 years in power had been Israel’s most secure; Hamas’s attack shattered that legacy. The man who described himself as “Mr. Security,” who said he hoped to be remembered as “the protector of Israel,” appeared responsible for the deadliest single day in Israel’s history. Even as military and intelligence leaders have since stepped up to take the blame, Mr. Netanyahu has pointedly refused to acknowledge his own culpability.
Israel’s defense minister has warned that “a direct Iranian attack will require an appropriate Israeli response against Iran.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-attack-strikes-live-updates-rcna147477
https://apnews.com/article/strait-of-hormuz-vessel-33fcffde2d867380e98c89403776a8ac
Updated 7:18 PM EDT, Sat April 13, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-drones-attack-israel-intl-latam/index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-launches-drone-attack-toward-israel-idf-says/
Iranian military chief says overnight attack ‘achieved all its goals’, adding that US bases are under threat if it backs Israeli retaliation.
World leaders express fear the conflict could lead to further escalation in the region, calling for all sides to exercise restraint.
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Make no mistake, despite what Fox News is telling us, Israel inspired this attack by Iran with their attack that killed Iranians earlier this month that INTENTIONALLY provoked this reaction. Netanyahu WANTED THIS!
Israel launched two of its largest and deadliest strikes on Syria in the past week, promising even more attacks.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/4/why-does-israel-keep-launching-attacks-in-syria
Israel has launched two of its largest and deadliest strikes ever against Syria in the past week.
It has significantly increased the frequency and intensity of its attacks since the start of its brutal war on Gaza, freely targeting Iran and its ally Hezbollah in Syria, especially around the capital, Damascus, where there is a stronger presence.
Monday’s air strike completely levelled the building of the Iranian consulate in Damascus, killing seven members of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), including two generals who led the elite Quds Force in Syria and Lebanon.
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If you don't believe me, then ask yourself. What great military benefit did Israel's recent deadly attacks achieve vs what they caused in response? And what everybody and their brother knew the response would be, including all the markets on Friday?
It was like a 1,000 to 1 risk to benefit ratio. Only a psychopath and/or somebody intentionally trying to further escalate the already sky high tensions would have done this.
In what world would we expect Iran to just say, "dang, you just bombed our consulate in Damascus and killed 7 members of our leadership" "Our entire country is outraged about this..........but we won't react because we don't want to escalate or make Israel even more mad at us" or "we won't react because we're afraid of what Israel might do next"
Iran HAD to react and the entire planet knew they would. Why wouldn't Netanyahu, the guy that ordered the attack know it BEFORE he attacked? Of course he did!
Israeli leader had been facing the heat over Gaza, but Tehran’s direct assault now makes it hard for allies to rein in support.
https://www.politico.eu/article/iran-israel-attach-benjamin-netanyahu-gaza-war/
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"This was almost inevitable as long as Israel/Netanyahu continues the current behavior, the latest of which was to intentionally provoke Iran by bombing the Iranian consulate, killing 7 key people earlier this month!"
Iran gave one of the greatest military displays in recent history: Scott Ritter... 20 MINUTES
George Galloway MP, IS A POPULAR GUY IN PARTS OF EUROPE. MY DANISH FRIEND ALERTED HIM TO ME
Thanks, Jean,
I like Scott a great deal!
I SAW A YOUTUBE VIDEO TITLE STATING THAT ISRAEL FUDGED THE VIDEO OF THE FIRE FIGHT. SOMEONE HAS FACT CHECKED IT & SAW OLD FOOTAGE FROM AWHILE BACK HAD GOTTEN INSERTED INTO THIS NEW VIDEO.
DID I WATCH IT? NOPE.
something very fishy developing about the Iranian attack. Seems every day now more stories coming with much different version of the lead up to Iran's attack. Seems we sent billions to the Iranians to build bombs all the while of sending billions to Israel to shoot those bomb down. Now comes John Kirby to completely embarrass himself in front of the media with the stanch that Iran "promised" to use the money for humanitarian aide, What a dumbass if even slightly believe this. He next denies that the US, England, France and others had a prior agreement with Iran to allow said bombing if we could have ships prestaged and in position to easily shoot the missiles and bombs down. Something sure seems fishy when a wicked foe that has killed many an American by themselves or thru proxy would be so poor at killing Israel's that 99% of the bombs never made it to ground?
Yes this sounds amazingly just like a stunt our very own CIA, FBI, and DOD would pull
Just watch a replay Kirbys press conf today. Talk about a dead giveaway. He actually said "we had an inkling" Damn what a fool this man is.
Jean,
this is an excellent point and it’s only getting worse with AI.
Many People are obsessed with manipulating us and convincing us to believe X,Y and Z for a wide range of reasons.
Some are sincere and altruistic.
Trying to get people to donate time or money to help less fortunate people using honest tactics and an organization dedicated to making the world a better place, for instance.
At the other extreme are charlatans trying to take our money to enrich themselves Using tactics that can sound as convincing as the good people.
and there are a million different things people want to convince us to believe with a million different reasons and methods.
the best way to do it, is to tell us things that we want to believe.
That's exactly what makes it so effective. People always believe things they want to believe, right?
We only fact check or doubt/have skepticism about things that we don't want to believe!
Thomas Sowell is back again!
Early this morning we reported that while the West strongly condemned Iran's attack on Israel, China took a different approach.
Foreign minister Wang Yi told his Iranian counterpart that China appreciated Iran's emphasis on not targeting regional and neighbouring countries, and that Beijing believed Iran could "handle the situation well and spare the region further turmoil".
Now reports suggest Israel is disappointed with China's response to Saturday's attack, when Iran launched more than 300 missiles and drones.
"We were hoping for stronger condemnation and clear acknowledgment of Israel’s right to defend itself," said Yuval Waks, the deputy chief of the Israeli mission in China, according to the The South China Morning Post.
"Unfortunately, we did not see that, which is why we were unhappy with the statement," he said.
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https://apnews.com/article/israel-syria-airstrike-iranian-embassy-edca34c52d38c8bc57281e4ebf33b240
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metmike: Earth to the Western world/Israel!:
The latest Israel/West propaganda rationale:
If a bully punches me in the face and knocks out my front teeth, then I throw dirt at him in response to his attack, the bully has the right to obliterate me because the bully is defending himself?
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Not much dilemma at all. Israel intentionally provoked the attack that led to this because Netanyahu needs a war to stay in office. He will continue to do what's necessary to maintain an ongoing war to survive. He will continue to manipulate the United States, which is dominated by the powerful Jewish coalition and any other gullible entities that don't see thru this diabolical psychopath's schemes!
Mike said:
"If a bully punches me in the face and knocks out my front teeth, then I throw dirt at him in response to his attack, the bully has the right to obliterate me because the bully is defending himself?"
Hey Mike,
Good analogy! I hope Israel keeps any retaliation to a minimum. However, I think it is more complicated than how you worded it. Iran, itself (the leadership, not the people as a whole since the majority hate the leadership being Islamic extremists...I have a longtime friend from there), is a longtime bully to Israel since they have always provided support to anti-Israel terrorist groups:
"Successive Iranian regimes have vowed to destroy Israel."
"Tehran provides support to Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas in the Palestinian territories, and factions in Syria and Iraq. “Wherever Israel looks right now, it sees Iran on its border, even though Iran does not border Israel,” said Yossi Mekelberg, an associate fellow in Chatham House’s Middle East and North Africa Program."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/16/iran-israel-attack-shadow-war/
So, the short term bully in essence punched in the face and knocked out the teeth of a longer-term bully who wants Israel destroyed! In that vein, it wasn't totally unprovoked. Secretly, I bet many if not most Iranian civilians love what Israel did! My friend told me they loved it when Trump did something similar to kill top Iranian military leaders. He told me that many of his Iranian friends like Trump for that reason!
Thanks much, Larry!
Great points but the thing that made THIS attack different than Trumps or most other times is that they did it in the middle of the war with Gaza when tensions are at all time highs.
This was a guarantee of greatly escalating the tensions with a retaliation by Iran inevitable too.
A year ago, or any other time, its very unlikely that Iran would have responded this way to the bully in the Middle East.
I get the Arabs wanting to exterminate Israel IS WRONG mentality.
We should ask this:
Did Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate:
1. Create a safer world for Israel in the Middle East? No
2. Increase the hatred for Israel? Yes
3. Escalate the war and increase the likelihood of it expanding and lasting longer. Yes
4. Likely increase the length of time that Netanyahu will remain in power? Yes
Netanyahu knew the answers before he blew up Iran's consulate in Syria.
If this was REALLY about DEFENDING Israel, then we got all the wrong answers above!!
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So, the short term bully in essence punched in the face and knocked out the teeth of a longer-term bully who wants Israel destroyed!
You're on top of the history here(or should be). I think you know well that Israel has ALWAYS been the bully from the beginning which is the biggest reason that Arabs want them destroyed.
This is only 1 biased view below and there's another (Israel's) side but to ignore this view for why Palestinians feel this way is to ignore their motivation and means not understanding why they are CONVINCED that Israel has been the bully for many decades.
Not understanding why they sincerely feel this way and with some solid reasoning on their part to feel this way and to blame the problem on that lack of understanding is to ensure NEVER having the solution to peace for Israel.
You can take this one to the bank:
Bombing the Iranian consulate did NOT make Israel safer and did NOT contribute towards peace.
Are those not the most important issues here for both of us?
Why not for Netanyahu?
Is Israel better off now than they were 10 years ago? 1 year ago? Since October 7th?
It didn't get better for Israel and the Middle East since Oct. 7th it got MUCH worse.
Nearly 70 years after the founding of Israel, the past is still looming large.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/5/1/how-israels-violent-birth-destroyed-palestine
Biden responds to Iran..... https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-retaliates-against-iran-by-attaching-note-to-pallet-of-cash-that-says-please-do-not-use-for-terrorism sad thing is we all know its true....Even found another Iranian spy in the pentagon...Sorry its an on going personnel matter and we cannot talk about it
1 thing that a person should ask themselves every day but we never do.
Regardless of if their life in shambles or they're on top of the hill.
I'm stuck at this general level for some time and it might stink or it might be great, depending on the individual's situation........however, I can do things TODAY that make my situation slightly better or do things that make it slightly worse than they are now is right now.
Over time, slightly better X 100 adds up to a PROFOUNDLY better.
Same thing with slightly worse X 100 over time.
Has Israel been making decisions that cause things to be incrementally better or worse since October 7th?
That's why escalation and the threat for a global war is looming.
Who's making these bad decisions and why?
Already answered!
There will never be agreement between one side and the other about who started this. One side insists the starting point was Oct. 7.
Yes, that's a new starting point for THIS escalation. But we can go to the starting point which resulted in Gaza being an "outdoor prison" according to the UN before Oct. 7.
Anyway, despite this, Netanyahu has 10 times more power to influence where we are going from day to day here........the decisions that make it slightly better or in this case, sometimes greatly worse.
For 6 decades of my 68 years, I was absolutely convinced that Israel was always right, no matter what. That the Jews, being the descendants of God's chosen people (God chose to reveal himself to……the Israelites, according to……the Israelites) were on the right side and always persecuted but never doing anything to deserve it.
After October 7th, I spent many dozens of hours doing objective research. Looking at the history, legalities, actions and other dynamics with an OPEN mind.
I was dumbfounded. metmike had spent his entire life in an indoctrinated state, ignorant of the real facts because of what his Catholic religion taught him.
That wasn't intended to be a knock on my religion, though it comes off that way.
It's was my path to the current state of objective enlightenment that includes a better understanding of the other side that I was lied to about.
Not lied to for nefarious reasons when practicing my faith.........however, others have twisted things to make it nefarious against the Arab world And the history in the Middle East.
Gods chosen people or not, the horrific atrocities that Israel is committing against 2 million of the human beings that God created in Gaza because of 1 man is a massive violation of Gods laws!
Mike said:
Nearly 70 years after the founding of Israel, the past is still looming large.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/5/1/how-israels-violent-birth-destroyed-palestine
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Hey Mike,
Do you think it is possible that Ramzy Baroud, the Palestinian writer of that article that you cited from Aljazeera, might be biased in the way he portrays Israel in this 2017 article?
https://www.aljazeera.com/author/ramzy_baroud_2014355391725791
Ramzy Baroud has been writing about the Middle East for over 20 years. He is an internationally-syndicated columnist, a media consultant, an author of several books and the founder of PalestineChronicle.com. His latest book is My Father Was a Freedom Fighter: Gaza's Untold Story (Pluto Press, London)."
Thanks, mcfarm!
Good point on the terrorism too.
So we should ask what increases terrorism in the real, not theoretical world.
Having more money to spend on it, like you stated for sure.
but most importantly, INCENTIVE is what drives a young person to turning into a radical terrorist.
Not all rich people and countries use the money for terrorism but all terrorists will use almost all their resources for terrorism if allowed.
The war on Gaza has been the biggest terrorism recruitment tool in history.
For every terrorist that Israel kills, their actions are serving as recruitment for an additional 10.
Sadly, with the US equipping and assisting Israel and the US having open borders, there is a near 100% chance of more terrorist attacks from the Arab world In our country.
Makes absolute sense. They cant beat us in any other way so they resort to terrorism out of desperation to generate some brief victories.
How do we stop it?
Help Israel commit Genocide against Muslims/Palestinians?
other side of the coin, MM. Many of your answers on Israel are those same answers we have attempted in various wars for decades. Win the hearts and minds. We fail everytime we try for many reasons. Number one we not dealing with normal people Normal people do not make speeches every day of the week bragging about how they hate Israel and America and drive Israel into the sea. Number 2 their philosophy is death to who? Right Israel and America. What we have lost is the will to win. We go into battle with no will to win but a great will to change hearts and minds.......big problem. we have proven with our generosity, blood and treasure we cannot nation build.
"Win the hearts and minds. We fail everytime we try for many reasons"
Thanks, mcfarm!
That's what I used to think too about the Middle East because that's all that I heard, living in the United States. Words and Propaganda.
I will NEVER be pro Iran or pro any of the terrorist organizations but we can understand what makes them tick.
We also have the power and should have the better judgment to control them.
Netanyahu completely destroying the Iranian consulate during their war on Gaza was clearly a message to provoke them.
And to trigger a response by Iran. .....so that Netanyahu can say: "look everybody, they want to destroy us, we are only defending Israel!!!"
On the US trying so hard to be peace makers. We actually did have a guy that made some progress but even back then, differences on Gaza and the West Bank were impossible to resolve.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1977-1980/camp-david
The only way that there will ever be movement in the direction of permanent peace is with negotiations for a 2 state solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution
The two-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict proposes to resolve the conflict by establishing two nation states in former Mandatory Palestine. The implementation of a two-state solution would involve the establishment of an independent State of Palestine alongside the State of Israel.
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Examples like that of Carter's in the 1970's are rare exceptions to the rule about how the United States has always operated(with our corrupt politicians bought and paid for by the Military-Industrial complex):
This is what usually defines the United States position in global affairs:
Politicians love wars and the U.S. is vulnerable Started by metmike - Oct. 29, 2023, 10:36 p.m.
Larry, mcfarm and others,
What is your opinion about a 2 state solution?
been many offers many times. seems {memory fails} Trump had a near miss on the table that the terrorists rejected at the last moment. Also how do we now go about a 2 state solution with various terrorist groups in command and control along with Hammas who the Palestine people handed government over to. That would be a Houdini trick beyond Houdini. Now if the people of Palestine would rise up with a revolutionary type fight for independence that would be a foundation to live and let live. Miracles do happen and this mess may require one.
"Miracles do happen and this mess may require one."
That ending is worth an NTR post of the week, mcfarm!
Let's hope that Netanyahu shows restraint with any response here. He got the exact reaction that he knew would happen. He's got alot of people upset with Iran.
We should note that Israel obliterated Iran's diplomatic compound in Syria with a surprise attack and KILLED people, doing much more damage than the response by Iran.
It's like my bully analogy earlier that may be lost. The MUCH MORE POWERFUL bully caused an order of magnitude more damage by knocking out the victims teeth than they incurred by having dirt thrown at them in response.
Why does MUCH MORE POWERFUL Israel need to respond, when after the exchange, they caused much more death?
Call it a victory on all fronts, especially in public perception from the condemnation coming over Iran's attack.
Speaking of Iran's attack. It was NOT intended to do damage. It was more of a symbolic act. How do we know this?
Everybody on the planet knew that Iran was attacking this weekend. Note the markets on Friday. Since when would a country that wants to hurt you, advertise to you when their attack is coming, knowing about the iron dome and other features, so that you can get everything in place to stop it?
Never!
Unless they want you to stop it, while at the same time, allowing for their own display of of a strong, state sponsored response and to send a MESSAGE without killing people/doing major damage.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103116/
This is a wonderful article below:
A war long fought through proxies, assassinations and strikes outside Israel has spilled into the open
The burning question is whether, as Vakil suggests, Israel will feel content to portray its defence against Iran’s attack as a “success” in and of itself or whether it will risk striking back at Iran and further escalating the war.
“Iran’s retaliation was choreographed and telegraphed,” wrote HA Hellyer, a Middle East expert and senior fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, on X in the immediate aftermath of Iran’s attack.
“[There was] almost zero chance it was going to inflict damage on Israel with that level of warning. The point was to make a scene, and it did that. Iran’s payoff? Reputational advancement as ‘resistance’ internationally.
I largely agree with mcfarm. Would I like to see 2 states? Sure (even though it is now a pipe dream) but only if the Palestinian state weren’t run by Hamas or some other terrorist group. As he said, this has been tried a number of times. As a matter of fact, the original plan was for two states (partition plan), but the Arabs resisted and instead civil war broke out:
“On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a partition plan for Palestine, then under British rule. This led to the outbreak of the 1947-1948 civil war on the following day as the Arabs sought to resist partition.[1][2] Following initial military conquests by the Jewish militias, on 14 May 1948 the State of Israel issued its declaration of independence. On 15 May, war was declared on Israel by the Arab League (Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen) who entered Palestine, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. The outcome was a victory for Israel.”
Thanks, Larry.
A lot has happened over the almost 6 decades since then. It will take a miracle to work out a 2 state solution but even if that's not in the future, the path that Israel has been on the past 6 months is the wrong one, in my opinion.
I'm also looking at this as much more than what seems to be the right thing to do.
And more than what's most likely to result in peace, which seems almost impossible.
We have to seriously consider what's in the best interest for Israel's SURVIVAL and for them to be prosperous and have some semblance of peace and security.
These current, escalating conflicts absolutely cannot go on endlessly, even if Israel maintains the upper hand continuously.
It will be a huge drag on Israel's resources that could be much better spent on productive measures. Using their great talents to advance positive things for Israel and the world.
We're moving rapidly in the exact wrong direction. I'm not asking for peace or a solution.......just asking that we move in the right direction.
Slight and slow progress by itself could work wonders. After awhile, it adds up.
This will never happen with Netanyahu making decisions to save his own skin from being voted out and going back to the trial for his previous corruption.... at the expense of Israel's future. Claiming to be doing it as self defense or for Israel's future, while the real world has been shows the complete opposite.
joj asked me early on what I would do if in Netanyahu's shoes and I gave him a detailed answer and will state it again, now that the conflict is 6+ months old.
1. Fighting Hamas never needed collective punishment. Starving 2 million innocent, mainly children and women. Depriving them of water, fuel. I would have allowed supplies in to lessen the suffering to the vast majority of innocent people.
2. Dropping thousands of massive "dumb bombs" that killed tens of thousands of innocent people, injuring triple that many. Destroying most of the innocent peoples homes. I would NOT have done that.
3. I would not have attacked Iran's consulate in Syria. What was to be accomplished that helped defend Israel by that act? Especially during this ramped up, volatile environment. It was a no brainer obvious act to escalate the war and trying to drag others into it.
4. I would have acknoweldged my own bad judgments/decisions in allowing Oct. 7th to happen. It was a horrible atrocity and Hammas should be vehemntly condemned no matter what and Hammas get's 100% of the blame but pretending he didn't do things to strengthen Hammas years earlier and got burned, is dishonestly that I would not display.
5. I would have acknowledged the outrage and reasoning of 95% of the world and used it to see things from the viewpoint of objective observers. Told the truth about everything else too but that means I would make a bad politician (-:
I would have taken actions to best serve Israel and not self serving actions to stay in power and to serve a personal agenda.
I agree with this because the slogan “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” implies no more Israel and just one state with majority Arabs. No Israel means no country for Jews to emigrate to for safety, which is a major reason for it due to the Holocaust. It got strong bipartisan support although several “squad” members (AOC, Tlaib, Omar) not surprisingly voted no.
It's another great point that you brought this up, Larry!
The massive increase in hatred for Jews and antisemitism since Oct. 7th.
Regardless of the reasons, it's just flat out wrong to hate people for their nationality, religion or other things they were born with or have a right to embrace.
Or because of their opinion. We have a right to an opinion, even if its wrong......as long as the opinion isn't intentionally hurting people.
We know exactly what's causing this. It's a legit reason for people to disagree but never to hurt others that disagree.
However, we also know that this is the real world and people hate other people when they shouldn't and some of those messed up people ACT to hurt the people they hate.
In the real world, Netanyahu's actions are increasing hatred for Jews by a lot. This is a powerful, additional factor for why he should go.
Alot of people hated MLK too, so it's not just the hate but the REASON for the hate.
I condemn the hatred and antisemitism which is never justified but much of it is being brought on by Netanyahu's actions. We can try to stop the hatred by passing laws and holding people accountable for antisemitism but the best way to stop it (considering the real world) would be to eliminate the SOURCE of the increased hatred.........Netanyahu's agenda.
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On the condemning of the slogan.
https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49
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I can appreciate the reason people get overly sensitive about these words. Part of it, is that they learn to be upset at them more than if different words with the same meaning were uttered. It's THOSE words.
Like the N word has evolved with time when a white person uses it. Same word from a black person is cool but not a white person.
Society establishes labels and certain groups decide certain things should be so to empower words.But it backfires in cases like this.
With the N word, blacks have given white racists a powerful, magic word that can cause a tremendous amount of hurt and/or anger. And they are taught to be hurt/angry by society when a white person says this word.
Racist whites on the other hand feel empowered by using this word and can use it as a powerful tool to hurt, like a verbal weapon.
My black son in law states that he just considers people that talk this way as ignorant and feels sorry for them not angry or hurt.
I stated his wise, mature and objective opinion because as a white guy, mine can't possibly carry the same weight.
https://naacp.org/resources/naacp-official-position-use-word-nigger-and-n-word
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Regardless of what I think about society designating certain words for having such a high impact, I respect the fact that they do cause hurt in some people and DON'T USE THEM.
Unless we are actually talking about usage of the word itself, like right now there's no reason for a non racist to use this word.
Discussing these 4 words, from the river to the sea, all day long is no big deal for us because we are FOR Israel. Sort of like the N word for black people.
if somebody not for Israel uses it like a white racist saying the N word it suddenly is elevated to some of the most powerful 4 words that exist!
Israel has attacked Iran to respond to irans response to Israel’s earlier destroying It’s consulate in Syria and killing key officials.
so now do we wait to see what Irans response will be to the Israel response to the Iranian response To the initial israel attack that started this?
hopefully minor damage and this ends it
IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A 2 STATE SOLUTION THAT LASTS, SOOOOOO WHY EVEN TRY? THE GOOD LORD'LL SORT 'EM OUT.
Jean,
One of the saddest things is that we are just accepting this stuff as the new normal.
2+ year war in Ukraine and instead of discussing peace(other than Russia) many on "our" side only push hard for measures that will extend the war as long as possible.
The war in Gaza is not a shock anymore.
Now we have Israel and Iran directly attacking each other.
Hey, it's just life on planet earth in the year 2024.
Everything is either maintaining the wars OR escalating them. The elites making all the most important decisions have personal motives for doing this.
Dangerous time because some of these countries have nuclear weapons.
When there is no war...........there's almost no risk of using nuclear weapons. NATO is dead set on never giving up on getting Ukraine which is the most dangerous dynamic.
The bigger risk is when Iran has enriched uranium enough for nuclear weapons grade. They may be there now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTKb7Ffcv2I
Netanyahu did a great job of taking the heat off of his genocide/revenge operation in Gaza, didn’t he?
Now the world is more concerned with the Israel vs Iran show down.
Even if you are 100% behind Israel using even more force in the region, ask yourself.
In the 6+ months since Netanyahu invaded Gaza, have things gotten better or worse for Israel?
Have things escalated or de escalated?
Where is the Netanyahu plan that de escalates?
Answer: there isn’t one. Just a constant telling us that they are winning the war and there’s much more to go before winning the war..
When the war ends, Netanyahu will face a resumption of his corruption trial and potentially early elections which show he will be crushed by a landslide.
This is why the war will go on as long as it can serve his personal political agenda.
At some point, even that clock will run out and he will eventually be held accountable.
But a lot will happen before then. We could have a devastating, widespread war in the Middle East. Or WW3.
He hopes that his proclamation of “I defeated Hamas” will save his skin.
if that was the case, his ratings should be going up while Israel is winning the war. They are going down.
In the world. Israels credibility has been going down not up on this current path. A lot!
Antisemitism has been going up not down on this path. A lot!
For somebody that has supported Israel their entire life, I have to ask others……why would we continue on such a destructive path?
To support Israel?
This is enabling Israel and its current horrendous leadership. They need an intervention of some kind……hopefully soon to replace Netanyahu Because he’s taking Israel in the exact wrong direction real fast!
sending Israel another XX billion in aid is giving a stamp of approval and assisting them in self destructive behavior.
Who doesn’t know that they can easily win a war against defenseless Gaza?
It’s HOW they win the war that matters to the rest of the world.
The US sending them thousands more of the massive bombs to indiscrimanently kill thousands of children and women is causing them to lose the ethical war and the one that matters to 95% of the world.
Thats what we‘re doing …….and calling it ”supporting Israel”
Our politicians and media are bought and paid for by the powerful Jewish coalitions in our country.
Just another reason that we are making ourselves LESS secure and becoming targets for terrorists and nefarious sources.
NO, we are not standing up for what’s right, we’re caving in to what’s wrong with 95% of the world against this.
We live here in the US though and mostly read and listen to the propaganda that’s stealing our intelligence so posts like this are like a foreign language to many people.
MIKE: "Dangerous time because some of these countries have nuclear weapons. "
INCLUDING OUR OWN! LOL
This is a wonderful, insightful article!
https://theintercept.com/2024/04/20/iran-israel-world-war-iii/
World War III instead is all around, a planet that is aflame with armed conflict and awash in arms sales, an overlapping Venn diagram of killing that engulfs the globe, and a constant bonanza for national security “experts” and the military–industrial complex.
And what even happened to neutrality in the past few years? Switzerland and Austria have provided arms to Ukraine. Sweden and Finland have joined NATO.
Only little Costa Rica, Iceland, Mauritius, Panama, and Vanuatu have no formal armed forces, but even there, Iceland is a very active member of NATO and Panama is a close military ally of the U.S.
The bill, which was stalled for a long time following deep splits in Republican camps, now heads to the Senate for a vote.
The foreign aid package allocates some $26.38bn for Israel, including $9.1bn for humanitarian needs.
Specifically, the allocation will see:
However, despite allocating funds for humanitarian assistance, the bill stipulates that funding for the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) is prohibited. This follows Israeli unsubstantiated accusations that the agency’s staff were involved in Hamas’s October 7 attacks.
But the Palestinian presidency condemned the bill as “an aggression against the Palestinian people” and a “dangerous escalation”.
The money would “translate into thousands of Palestinian casualties in the Gaza Strip” and the occupied West Bank, said Nabil Abu Rudeina, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/29/netanyahu-icc-war-crimes
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What will happen? Nothing!
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The country is working through diplomatic channels to try to stop the warrants being issued by the International Criminal Court, an Israeli official told NBC News on Monday.
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You can always count on the United States to contribute to the war crime effort if it benefits the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex!
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/johnson-biden-intervene-icc-reported-plan-netanyahu-arrest-warrant
If true, the warrants would be "baseless and illegitimate" and prove a blow to U.S. national security, Johnson said in an impassioned statement Monday.
"Instead of wrongly targeting Israel, the ICC should pursue charges against Iran and its terror proxies
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Mike Johnson has quickly proven himself to be a bought and paid for corrupted politician that can't stand up for human beings and is unable to see for himself how to save lives. He's unable to apply common sense ethics because corrupt Washington politics has captured his brain.
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You can always count on the United States(and our corrupt politicians) to contribute to the war crime effort if it benefits the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex!+++++++++++++++
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVr_eyLyvQ
You can always count on the United States (and our corrupt president) to contribute to the war crime effort if it benefits the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex!
I agree with much of what this lib Muslim (with Jewish dad/sis/deceased best friend) says except when he says protests are supposed to cause inconvenience including blocking traffic. Blocking traffic shouldn’t be allowed because that, for example, could have included an ambulance with my bro in it.
But otherwise, I think is mainly good stuff:
This is a wonderful post, Larry!
Good for our post of the week!
Thanks for providing the link.
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Rhetorical question.
What is more likely?
95% of the world suddenly ganging up on Israel because they hate Israel and in this age of technology and widespread reporting of information, are all ignorant about the real information?
Or
Israel, notably 1 man in Israel is doing something really, REALLY wrong?
The words above are exactly what a delusional psychopath says to justify his crimes!!!!!
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“there is no army in the world that has done and does what the IDF has done to minimize the number of casualties"
I rest my case!
The deal lays out a timetable for release of Israeli captives in Gaza and withdrawal of Israel’s troops from territory.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/6/text-of-the-ceasefire-proposal-approved-by-hamas
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Netanyahu does not want peace. The war saves his job while he treads water and tries to convince people in his country that he's a great man because he is defeating Hammas.
Never mind collective punishment on 2 million innocent people, most of whom are children and women and he's killed or injured 5% of the population, most of whom are defenseless children and women and NOT Hamas.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4652577-biden-gop-wrath-pause-bombs-israel/
President Biden’smove to pause a shipment of heavy bombs to Israel has drawn the fury of Republicans, further polarizing U.S. efforts to deter Israel from launching a bloody campaign in southern Gaza.
The U.S. held back some 3,500 bombs that had already been approved for Israel as the White House is growing increasingly frustrated with the civilian toll in Gaza and is concerned about a looming Israeli full-scale invasion of Rafah, a southern city where more than a million Palestinians are sheltering.
But the decision to hold back weapons shipments is among the most significant actions that Biden has taken to assert U.S. leverage amid Israel’s war in Gaza. While progressives have long called for such weapons restrictions, Republicans responded to the move with blistering statements attacking Biden
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Netanyahu MUST GO!!!!!!!!!
This extremely dangerous, delusional psychopath is committing massive war atrocities to help maintain his position of power for as long as possible.
He's destroying Israel's credibility around the world. Is directly responsible for most of the INCREASE in antisemism that has more than doubled since the ethnic cleaning in Gaza began.
He's completely responsible for ALL the protesting on college campuses and elsewhere around the world.
He's costing the US money and credibility..........greatly increasing the hate and political division.
We are Israel's #1 ally but we are doing Israel a huge disfavor by, not just enabling their diabolical actions but assisting them(with veto's and bombs).
Biden is doing the right thing here, despite the outrage from the bought and paid for (by the powerful Jewish coalitions) politicians and media(especially Fox).
https://www.commondreams.org/news/rafah-2668385266
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Qatar calls attack that killed at least 40 Palestinians a ‘grave violation of international laws’ and UN special rapporteur urges sanctions on Israel.
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Israeli attack on Rafah tent camp kills 45, prompts international outcry
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-rockets-central-israel-gaza-strip-sirens/
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https://www.fox41yakima.com/israel-faces-global-outcry-over-rafah-strike-that-set-tent-city-ablaze/
Israel’s military said Sunday evening’s attack in the southern Rafah area had targeted and killed two senior Hamas operatives — but it also sparked a fire that Palestinians and many Arab countries condemned as a “massacre”.
UN human rights chief Volker Turk decried “horrific” images that “point to no apparent change in the methods and means of warfare used by Israel that have already led to so many civilian deaths”
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MAGA Influencers Slam Israel After Rafah Strike
https://www.newsweek.com/maga-response-israel-rafah-strike-1904976
"The videos from Rafah are so horrific," pro-Trump journalist and activist Cassandra MacDonald wrote on X. "I truly do not think israel will exist much longer. The support they have purchased here won't carry through to the next generation. People have eyes. They can't just lie about what is happening over there anymore."
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The gig may FINALLY BE UP!
Good on the brave students speaking up and protesting these horrific crimes. Protesting the US college investment money supporting them DESPITE the students being falsely labeled "antisemitic".
The powerful forces of the Jewish coalition controlling the media narratives can't brainwash the United States people forever.
Everybody that protests these horrific war crimes isn't antisemitic.
Everybody that cares about these human beings in Gaza and Palestine isn't antisemitic.
The pro Israel faction defending these indefensible crimes by attacking the truth with the fake "antisemitic" trope is wearing thin and not working anymore.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/sanders-university-protest-israel-netanyahu/index.html
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This is a BLATANT LIE!
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https://www.euronews.com/2024/05/21/new-antisemitism-israeli-pm-netanyahu-slams-icc-arrest-warrant
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This is a BLATANT LIE!
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metmike: This is what an extremely powerful/charismatic, delusional, diabolical/ psychopathic and desperate leader looks like as he imposes an horrific genocide on the people that he intensely hates, while trying to save his own skin.
Not only must there be a cease fire but Netanyahu must be held accountable for his crimes before the war but especially his response after the horrific attack to Israel on October 7, 2023 by Hamas.
Allowing him to escape accountability and Israel/the US protecting him only makes Israel's future more bleak.
His replacement must be on board with a 2 state solution and with assisting Palestinians instead of doing things to them which outrage 90% of the world.
Israel has been its own worst enemy. In its so called quest to defeat Hamas, they have created 10x more serious enemies and people that want to destroy Israel. Possibly 100X+ more people that would be happy to see Israel go way forever, than the # of Hamas killed.
There are ~2 billion Muslims in the world and ~20 million Jews. 100 Muslims for every Jew.
Israel may be extremely powerful but they probably just sealed their fate with this totally unjustified ethnic cleansing and collective punishment to 2 million, mostly innocent children and women Muslims in Gaza because of revenge and hatred.
thanks MM. You sound an awful lot like these naive crazy progressive dems in congress who say they will not listen or greet him to Bibbi when he comes to congress....wow lots of grown up intelligence right there. Any terrorist wants money or access and boom from biden to Hunter right down to most any D congressman they got it but if Israel comes to town screw them Jews
Thanks much, mcfarm.
Happy Memorial Day to you!
I watch Fox News too(and others sources too) so I know exactly where you get this from.
I get my mine from my own objective gathering of authentic facts/ truth, humanitarian principles and respecting all of God's children regardless of ethnicity, religion or political affiliation.
That’s horrible news from the refugee camp at Rafah! Bibi’s saying it was a mistake? That’s his excuse? Bibi in coalition with far right Israeli extremists has been terrible for the innocent Palestinians as well as for Israel itself PRwise. I’ve never been supportive of him as I’ve said here for a long time. His being a crook and at risk for punishment once out of power is likely influencing his gross over-aggressiveness due to feeling pressure from his far right supporters, who he needs to remain in power.
Of course, Hamas doesn’t care as they’re terrorists and don’t value human lives. They probably like it when innocent Palestinians are killed because of the bad PR it gives Israel.
Biden/Congress have done a terrible job at using the leverage of their continued support to try to keep Israel from being so aggressive. Many libs like Sanders are incensed and many of them (not Sanders and most staunch Dems) may not vote Biden. Although they certainly won’t vote for Trump either, they may end up giving Trump the win by reducing the Biden vote total enough in states like MI. This is so ironic because Trump being a bigger supporter of Israel and no friend to the Palestinians would likely be even worse for innocent Gazans!
but didn't Trump get the Abraham accords going. just needed follow through from Biden .. but no....
Thanks, cutworm,
On the Abraham Accords. These agreements appear to be staged, on paper documents with marketing scheme benefits to all parties(including $$$$ from the US) used as a political stunt but with no real substance or sincerity, certainly not Israel.
We should first understand Trump's history leading up to the Accords.
This source is clearly biased against him but on this topic and most others in political realms, the Golden Rule for getting the truth when both sides vehemently disagree is that when there are lies, propaganda and unethical behavior, the only way to get THE TRUTH is from the biased OPPOSING sources who will not only provide the truth, they will spin it in 1 sided fashion AGAINST the other side.........but its STILL THE TRUTH!
Re: Re: Quote of the day October 2022
That being the case, this report makes numerous rock solid/valid points based on authentic facts and the source has a long history of being very reliable/credible based on this, even though biased to the left.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/brennan-center-for-justice/
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I'm sure the Rs here completely agree with Trump's policies, especially considering the illegal immigrants pouring in by the millions under Biden.
I don't completely disagree with the vetting part, it's the very damaging Islamophobic rhetoric that Trump used to justify the policies which massively increased hate and hate crimes against Muslims in our country. That is an indisputable fact and Trump was entirely responsible!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan
The Trump peace plan, officially titled "Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People", was a proposal by the Trump administration to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. President Donald Trump formally unveiled the plan in a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on 28 January 2020. The plan had been delayed by two years and previously rejected by the Palestinians, who were not invited to the meeting.
During the press conference announcing the plan, Netanyahu announced that the Israeli government would immediately annex the Jordan Valley and West Bank settlements while committing not to create new settlements in areas left to the Palestinians for at least four years. U.S. Ambassador to IsraelDavid M. Friedman claimed that the Trump administration had given permission for an immediate annexation, stating that "Israel does not have to wait at all" and "we will recognize it".[15] A spokesman for the Israeli governing Likud party tweeted that Israeli sovereignty over settlements would be declared on the following Sunday. The Trump administration clarified that no such green light for annexation had been given;[16] Trump later explained that "I got angry and I stopped it because that was really going too far".
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After the completely absurd Trump Peace Plan was proposed(rejected for good reasons by 1 side) on top of Trump's years of Islamophobic rhetoric, most people, other than those in Trumps cult and those that hate Muslims considered Trump a credible source for bringing fair justice and peace in the Middle East.
I will add that, at the time I was still under my 6 decade indoctrination that elevated Israel to being the country with people who are the descendants of God's chosen people and we need to shower them with special treatment and benefits at the expense of others. So my initial view of the peace plan was more positive.
The last 7 months were a wake up call for me, so I have REVISED versions of interpreting the history based on the objective truths, now INDEPENDENT of persona religious indoctrination.
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At the same time, I understand others indoctrinated, impossible to change religious views. It took me 60 years to break free and that's only because I'm a scientist, practicing the scientific method which compels the scientist to try to prove themselves wrong FIRST, before having confidence of being right. That, in addition to the current events in Gaza.
How can people that use Fox news, telling them what they want to hear ever going to know the truth in Gaza, for instance?
Every day they insist Israel is doing nothing wrong in Gaza and just defending itself. Netanyahu is a great leader. The United States should support him, Israel and their current justified activities in Gaza.
People that watch Fox or other sources every day will see the truth about Gaza Palestine as a foreign language.
I'm not stating that this is all one sided to the other side, which has committed some horrific atrocities(October 7th).
But in Gaza right now, it is absolutely 1 sided and Fox is telling the WRONG side. I don't care about the history or about antisemitism 100 years ago or even what started this.
The only thing that matters right now is to stop the unimaginable suffering to 2 million innocent people, mostly God's children and women in Gaza. Human beings like you and me that did nothing wrong........except they were unfortunate to be born in Gaza.
Us lucky ones in this wonderful country owe it people like this, if we truly want to be authentic practicing our religions or even atheists respecting humanity to do things to stop these atrocities and help people like this NOT support them by sending 10s of thousands of US made 1,000 lb bombs to obliterate them.
After we do that..........then we can discuss the rest.
Re: Re: Re: The horrific Genocide ramps up
By metmike - Feb. 25, 2024, 7:33 p.m.
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103460/#104138
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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240104-israel-dropped-65000-tonnes-of-bombs-on-gaza-in-89-days/
Israel has dropped more than 45,000 bombs on Gaza weighing more than 65,000 tonnes, the Gaza Media Office has said.
“Occupation aircraft dropped over 45,000 missiles and giant bombs, some of them weighing 2,000 pounds of explosives, during the comprehensive genocidal war on the Gaza Strip, deliberately targeting entire residential areas,” it said.
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-stuck-gazas-mud-opinion-1905512
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Every day that this continues is another day of INCREASING damage to Israel. Netanyahu must go as of YESTERDAY!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAfIYtpcBxo
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I'm really sad that this is happening but IT IS!
Netanyahu and Israel are being their own worst enemies. Supporting them is just making it that much worse!
Fox News, for instance acts like they are helping Israel. They are increasing Jewish viewers and others that tune in to hear these fork tongue messages that completely deny the reality and enable it.
It would be like giving an alcoholic destroying lives around them more booze instead of cutting them off.......exerting tough love because you care about them.
ISRAEL... THE WORLDS' BULLY? 17 MINUTES
Israel Strikes Rafah AGAIN?! HUMILIATING State Department Defense Of Biden’s ‘Red Line’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnyK8wfMPa0
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Israel's National Security Adviser Tzachi Hanegbi said in an Israeli public radio interview on Wednesday that his country is "expecting another seven months of fighting" to achieve its stated goal of destroying Hamas, the Associated Press reported.
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It's hard to imagine how much worse this is going to get for Israel. They are on a Netanyahu suicide mission as he goes out in a blaze of fake glory with more and more war crimes accumulating.
Every day that passes is another day that increases global outrage and resistance and another day that decreases his supporters...........who are losing THEIR credibility trying to justify this ethnic cleansing. with more and more pathetic reasoning and denials.
https://time.com/6983027/nikki-haley-criticized-israel-artillery-sign-finish-them/
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This is why I've been NEVER Nikki since I looked at her record and her previous statements as a bought and paid for cheerleader/puppet of the Military-Industrial complex and war monger.
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Re: Rand Paul on the National Debt
By metmike - March 11, 2024, 5:46 p.m.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/im-never-nikki-sen-rand-182639029.html
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Re: Re: Re: The REAL crisis-draining groundwater
By metmike - Nov. 2, 2023, 9:08 p.m.
"What we need is rich water lobbyist's to bribe our politicians, like they do to turn them into corrupt war hawks because of hundreds of thousands of donations each year to individual political accounts like with corrupt SOBs like Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley.
Or, we could throw out all the politicians and get honest ones, which is impossible. They are in control. Each side telling lies that are what that side wants to hear so they get votes from those people. Then, they do things to ENRICH THEMSELVES FIRST."
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OH, MY!! ISRAEL VS PALESTINE
By metmike - Nov. 1, 2023, 9:58 a.m.
"They are controlling/censoring what information we read/hear in the U.S.
On Fox last night, for instance, they only discussed the Hamas attacks on Israel Oct. 7 and 100% blatantly distorted the authentic facts. Never mentioned the atrocities committed by Israel in Gaza one time. Not once!!!"
This is going to escalate to something REALLY BAD!
"Israel can only blame itself and they will take the U.S. with them, because our idiot war mongers, like Lindsey Graham, are bought and paid for mouthpieces for the Military-Industrial-Political complex and Jewish interests. Same thing with Nikki Haley.
Unless they get rid of the current leaders in Israel and/or change their path, this will end very badly."
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/01/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-gaza-conflict.html
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"These people are just idiots making decisions based on ethnic hatred, anger, revenge and giving much less value to the lives of other human beings, while arrogantly elevating their own self worth and cause to one of blinded infallibility which leaves no room for adjustment to the realities seen by the majority that disagrees with them.
Just to repeat, I have been strongly pro Israel since being a 1st grader and learning about the Israelites, early in Catholic Church history. Then later, the Holocaust. I strongly condemn what Hamas did.
However, Israel has just sealed their future unless they change course abruptly."
I'VE BEEN A "NEVER NIKKI", WHEN SHE CAVED IN TO THE BLM & TOOK DOWN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG... A PIECE OF OUR HISTORY THAT SHOULD NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, NOR RETURN.
Jean said: "I'VE BEEN A "NEVER NIKKI", WHEN SHE CAVED IN TO THE BLM & TOOK DOWN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG... A PIECE OF OUR HISTORY THAT SHOULD NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, NOR RETURN."
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Hey Jean,
I'm on the opposite side from you on that. First of all, the Confederacy is long gone. Why should its flag still fly? Secondly, put yourself in a black person's shoes. Would you want to see a flag flying for an entity that favors black slavery? Empathy!
Of course, one could also argue "never forget" to keep it flying, but I'd think that would be a stretch of a reason to keep it. Museums and books can be where it can be seen without flying it.
LOL LARRY, THAT'S OKAY THAT WE'RE ON OPPOSITE SIDES.
THESE YOUNGER GENERATIONS PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW 1/2 OF THIS COUNTRIES TRUE & HORRID HISTORY, FROM THE 20TH CENTURY. I'VE TALKED WITH ENOUGH 20-30 YEAR OLDS THAT WERE NEVER TAUGHT ABOUT THE CIVIL RIGHTS, IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY HAD NO IDEA THERE WERE BLACK WATER FOUNTAINS & WHITE WATER FOUNTAINS, ETC. BLACKS WEREN'T ALLOWED TO VOTE UNTIL THE MID 1960 ERA, ETC. SEGREGATION IS WRONG... IMO. WHAT A SHAME THAT SO MUCH IS COVERED UP, IMO.
I COULD TELL YOU A REAL & FACTUAL, FRIGHTENING & SICKENING EPISODE IN MY PERSONAL LIFE IN 1968-69. I WAS DATING A BLACK MAN, IN CHICAGO. WE'RE BOTH LUCKY TO BE ALIVE! I'D NEVER EVEN REALIZED HE WAS BLACK, UNTIL THAT ALL HAPPENED. FOR THE SAKE OF ONE ANOTHERS' LIVES, WE NEVER SAW EACH OTHER AGAIN. WE TRULY LOVED ONE ANOTHER.
SO, YES.... I HAVE PLENTY OF EMPATHY..PLENTY.
I CAN PUT MYSELF IN A BLACK PERSONS' SKIN, BUT... NO ONE OF ANY SKIN COLOR, CAN PUT THEMSELVES IN SOMEONE ELSES MIND FRAME. I LOOK AT THE CONFEDERATE FLAG AS A REMINDER ~ A SYMBOL OF A TIME OF WICKEDNESS & FEEL THANKFUL THAT IT'S MOSTLY JUST THAT... HISTORY...A PIECE OF A VERY SAD TIME IN THIS COUNTRY.
Agree with Larry, here.
Flying a confederate flag, whether the person is racist or not is a symbol that honors the Confederacy.
Regardless of the reason that person wants to honor the Confederacy, it's well understood that the Confederacy fought the Civil War to defend slavery of black people and lost.
Regardless of other things related to the Confederacy, SLAVERY is at the top by a wide margin over anything else.
As such, a person that flies the confederate flag is either ignorant of this or doesn't care.
Americans have rights to fly what ever flag they want to on their property and for whatever reason but it's extremely well understood what the Confederate flag stands for in the minds of the vast majority of Americans.
That's why this flag was adopted by the Neo Nazis, KKK and White Supremacists. That alone should be enough to appreciate what it symbolizes today.
If people want to twist that to their own meaning and use that to fly the flag on their property........that's there right but it doesn't change the truth.
However, they ARE with 100% certainty offending many millions of blacks/minorities.
For me, at least, respect for those people would be enough to avoid doing something that is greatly offensive to them and doesn't contribute to anything positive for me..........other than proof that "I can do what I want as an American" mentality.
https://mjhnyc.org/blog/the-confederate-flag-the-use-of-a-symbol/
https://theconversation.com/why-is-the-confederate-flag-so-offensive-143256
I'm a 68 year old white male living in Indiana that is 100% behind people's rights to express themselves however they want in this free country.
With a few exceptions.
One of them is doing things that hurt other people. In this case, I still think people have the right to fly a Confederate flag for whatever the reason they want to fly it is because free speech, even hurtful free speech is tolerated in this country.
But make no mistake, this HURTS millions of other people because of what it represents TO THEM!
How do we know that it hurts them?
They couldn’t be more clear on it and the reason. We just need to listen.
This is sort of like the N word.
Ive always thought it absurd that people/society has assigned a magical power to a word that allows it to be used to cause hurt and shock to black people….when used by a white person.
Its ok for black folks to use it though.
Note that I used the letter N instead of the real word because Im white and don’t want to be offensive.
So even an anti racist white person can’t use the word nigger in a discussion like this or it will trigger a different reaction than when stating the N word.
Hamas has not responded to the plan, which would start with six weeks of a complete cease-fire and the release of women and children being held hostage.
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Give me a break!
Day after day, week after week, month after month the horrific atrocities/ethnic cleansing/genocide to innocent people continued with Netanyahu arrogantly declaring he was not stopping or adjusting his plan 1 iota and Biden giving his daily lip service warning and red lines because he cares about being elected.
The world outraged and doing everything that it can to stop it but Israel and the US remaining defiant and continuing on. Day after day with the losses mounting catastrophically.
After almost 8 months of this, Gaza has been completely decimated. It will take decades of trying to recover but there will NEVER be a full recovery. Dead people can't be resurrected. Malnourished and traumatized children, 500,000 of which will go years without an education that they cannot make up.
We knew with certainty that this would end SOME day. That day was going to be when either Israel or the US finally got so much heat that it had no choice.
Sadly, not because of suddenly acquiring ethical gonads to do the right thing but instead, because of the politics.
Israel has finally had enough of Bibi. Too bad they didn't wise up 6 months ago before they destroyed their credibility on a global scale for at least a decade with 90% of the countries. Sadly, they will be increasing targets, as will the US for terrorism and hate crimes for many years to come.
Bibi, knowing that he's pushed as far as he can, to avoid being ousted is suddenly coming up with a peace plan. This is only a plan to save his own skin. An arrogant, narcissistic, diabolical psychopath with complete power and control acting in this manner for 7+ months, does not suddenly have a moral metamorphose/conversion overnight.........or ever for that matter.
They only respond to the threat of losing power. That is all Netanyahu is doing. He did this for so long to delay the resumption of his criminal trial and to punish Gaza and played that hand out as far as he was enabled. His enablers are pulling the rug out from under him..........for political reasons. Because the heat and damage to Israel and the United States became to extreme.
But the damage is done and THERE MUST BE ACCOUNTABILITY!
2 million lives ruined(mostly innocent children and women) and a country completely destroyed. There actually is some unseen accountability that will last for a decade. Credibility and reputations of those that did this and supported this. We can't UNsee what they did to these human beings for almost 8 months, day after day in cold hearted fashion for their political agenda.
That includes SOB's like Lindsey Graham. Some of us paying attention, got to see his true colors recently.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/lindsey-graham-gaza
Sensitive diplomatic negotiations typically unfold in secrecy, but administration officials say the president was motivated to update Americans about U.S. efforts to end the conflict, which has evolved into a significant political liability for Biden as he seeks reelection.
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Truth Translation: Biden is looking for a political marketing scheme to turn the tide from his supporters that care about other humans beings, that are protesting his role in the war and threatening to NOT vote for him in November.
Watch what happens now.
They will be selling this proposal as "Bidens" cease-fire or "Bidens" peace proposal. Whatever happens, it will be "Bidens" XXXXX.
Never mind that Gaza already got completely obliterated under his watch and he did nothing the entire time except give lip service, while the US supported the war with out massive bombs and vetoing global condemnation statements.
This is Israel/Netanyahu's war but the US, including our president get much of the blame too. Biden had almost 8 months, WHEN IT COUNTED MOST to do something.
Now, here comes the election. Time to actually do something. Never mind that Gaza has been completely decimated already!!!
Re: Re: Re: The horrific Genocide ramps up
By metmike - Feb. 25, 2024, 7:33 p.m.
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103460/#104138
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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240104-israel-dropped-65000-tonnes-of-bombs-on-gaza-in-89-days/
Ben-Gvir is part of the far right coalition that has been pressuring Bibi to the right and remain very aggressive.
Health Ministry reports ‘large numbers’ of killed and wounded rushed to hospital as a result of nonstop Israeli bombardment.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/8/many-casualties-as-israel-escalates-attacks-across-gaza
DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli strike early Thursday on a school sheltering displaced Palestinians in central Gaza killed at least 33 people, including 12 women and children, according to local health officials. The Israeli military said that Hamas militants were operating from within the school.
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Hamas is EVERYWHERE and all the time!
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That is 14,000,000 lbs of bombs, many that came from our military-industrial-political complex being bribed to support and/or enable the mass slaughter of INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS for the self enriching agendas.
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ETHNIC CLEANSING of INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS!
SEN. GRAHAM: One thing I got from this trip was that they still don't have the weapons they need in Israel to finish off Hamas. So they're going to be sending me a list of weapons that are being slow walked
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Powerful people like this are making the world much worse than it would be without them. Killing and greatly harming millions of innocent human beings for their self enriching agendas!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103148/#104726
"That is 14,000,000 lbs of bombs, many that came from our military-industrial-political complex being bribed to support and/or enable the mass slaughter of INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS for the self enriching agendas".
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-06-10-24/index.html
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Considering the tens of thousands of other innocents killed and 2 million innocents being decimated in Gaza, that sounds about right for Netanyahu human life standards.
1 Jew = 1,000+ Palestinians