DNC ‘24
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Started by WxFollower - Aug. 17, 2024, 11:40 p.m.

 The 2024 DNC starts in just two days (8/19). Before I forgot I wanted to make sure there was a dedicated thread for it just like the thread I created for the 2024 RNC.

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By metmike - Aug. 18, 2024, 6:05 a.m.
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Much appreciated, Larry!

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By WxFollower - Aug. 19, 2024, 10:48 p.m.
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YW, Mike.

 Hillary spoke earlier to great applause. This was noted by Fox News, I believe.

 AOC spoke earlier. Her content is better than her delivery imo. I don’t think she’s that great of a speaker.

 Biden to be keynote speaker tonight and will be on soon.

By mcfarm - Aug. 20, 2024, 6:57 a.m.
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sure is odd. When the dems find out Biden has helped steal 27 million from foreign governments they think he is great and even worse are blind to the crime. Now on the way out he is scheduled last and they run way late on even getting him on stage, sort of like the janitor sweeping up after a concert. Must make them feel really proud the way this entire deal has been handled. Again, how many primary votes did Harrys get. I forget.

By metmike - Aug. 20, 2024, 11:05 a.m.
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My wife controls the whats on the tube in the evenings most of the time and she insisted on NOT watching this.

However, she dozed off in her recliner late in the evening, which gave me a chance to hear much of Biden's speech.

I'm sure others speaking  earlier did a much better job but one of Biden's last significant speech's, for me was just horrible and good reinforcement/reminder for why Ds rejected this guy a month ago. 

This is the Democratic National Convention to enthusiastically celebrate and focus on their candidate and their future.........Biden was NOT on board with that idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Convention

The primary goal of the Democratic National Convention is to officially nominate a candidate for president and vice president, adopt a comprehensive party platform, and unify the party.

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Sorry if I have to sound/read like a biased R but my view comes from a position of trying to see his speech objectively.

He was clearly angry, the exact opposite demeanor to have at an event like this. He was defensive and focused on himself, not VP Kamala or her accomplishments or her qualifications........the exact opposite of what to discuss at an event like this.

 He bragged about HIS accomplishments using distortions and lies, like Trump does. For instance, he claimed that his administration improved the trade deficit with China. WRONG. He claimed that billionaires pay only 8% income tax. WRONG, it's 23% according to CNNs fact check of him after his speech.

He claimed that he helped schools get back open after COVID. Wrong! Although I'm extremely grateful to him for getting Paxlovid on the market so quickly and for free which may have saved my wife's life in early June, 2022. 

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Biden shines-incredible story!            

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                Started by metmike - June 2, 2022, 6:52 p.m.

            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85199/

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Most of the CNN panel was critical of his speech afterwards. 

Also, Just days after Tim Walz pledged that Democrats wouldn’t call their opponents names, Biden called Trump a “loser,” a “liar,” a “felon” and a “sucker.”

I have no doubt that he did give it his best for 5 decades, including the corrupt money generating schemes for Biden family enrichment with him and "the smartest man he knows" joining forces in Ukraine and other countries to extract double digit millions from corrupt players(instead of doing his job to fight corruption there- he used his job to participate in the corruption to benefit the Biden's USING UNITED STATES TAX PAYER MONEY AND INFLUENCE PEDDLING)

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106667/

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Outside of Putin, he is the person MOST responsible for the war in Ukraine and the horrific consequences for 2.5 years...........always sold as a con with propaganda that we are "supporting Ukraine" or "we are supporting democracy". Other presidents, like Bush and his war in Iraq are just as bad or even worse but make no mistake, he, his brother Jim and son Hunter go down in history as having the biggest self enriching, corrupt arrangement with corrupt players in  foreign countries that paid tens of millions to the Biden CRIME FAMILY. 

And the justice department and MSM have been covering it up!

What's absurdly ironic, is that the "phone call to Ukraine" that got Trump impeached in 2020 was an attempt by Trump to, NOT DIG UP MANUFACTURED DIRT BUT TO SHOW LEGIT. EVIDENCE OF THE BIDEN FAMILY'S REAL CORRUPTION.

And our corrupt D politicians fought back against the truth by impeaching the person seeking the truth.


By metmike - Aug. 20, 2024, 11:33 a.m.
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Since Biden was finally forced off the ticket, after weeks of refusing, CNN was authorized to tell the truth about Biden last night,  so they can show how much better their newly anointed savior, Kamala Harris is.

Last night, Biden claimed that he loves the job of president but he loves our country, his party and democracy even more as the reason he pulled out.

Actually, he did everything he could to IGNORE his country and party for as long as possible until the D gatekeepers were finally forced to KICK HIM OUT with a very embarrassing sequence of advancing pressure from ALMOST EVERYBODY in the party(behind the scenes) and media!

Pretending that he was some selfless martyr was so disingenuous.


 WATCH: Biden’s full speech at 2024 Democratic National Convention | 2024 DNC Night 1    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np6ZGonecFE


His fits of  extreme anger (and slurred speech he can't control) was pretty clear, sprinkled in with numerous lies, self aggrandizement and attacks on Trump. 

By mcfarm - Aug. 20, 2024, 5:45 p.m.
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I see the big fraud continues tonite. They all get to roll call their votes. Remember those same vote that were cast last month. What complete and under fraud the demes have pulled this summer. Heard a radio host say he advised them not to have this fraud of a convention......just skip it all and bury Biden and hide Harris and Walz from the public. Hell of a way to run for the highest office in our land.

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By metmike - Aug. 20, 2024, 6:08 p.m.
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mcfarm,

I understand your points on the process with Biden being violated.

Discombobulated and dishonest for sure.

Ds were tricked into thinking that Biden, as sitting president was entitled to another 4 years. The media and Ds portrayed his incredible cognitive problems as being right wing conspiracy theories. Lying to cover up what was clearly obvious and not giving Ds a fair opportunity to pick somebody else.

Then the debate with Trump blatantly exposed what many were trying to deny, so badly that Biden was toast in everybody's book.

So they went to plan B. Force the same Joe Biden out that they fraudulently forced on Ds earlier and insert Harris.

However, I would claim that Plan B was actually the one that is CLOSER to being honest and fair to Ds. 

Just look at the polls!!!!

D voters are thrilled with this decision. They are embracing her and with absolute certainty, if they did the primaries over, Harris would be their gal...........so D voters are in fact, getting the person they want, regardless of the way that it happened.

Pumping up Harris to go from one of the lowest favor-ability ratings to the anointed one is just part of the effective marketing scheme in politics thats independant of the process.

If it was Gavin from California and he got the primary votes, they would be doing the exact same thing right now.

The main thing for me is that D voters are clearly behind this candidate, regardless of the circumstances. They really, really want her, regardless of what happened to get here.

However you want to describe the scenario leading up to this.........on August 20, 2024, the D voters have the person they want running for president.

To me, that part of it is democracy. The people getting who THEY want. 

Normally its done by voting but how often do you have an 80+ year old president that lost his cognitive abilities faster than his supporters could cover up, requiring the replacement of that person??

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By mcfarm - Aug. 20, 2024, 8:08 p.m.
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wow wouldn't it of been much credible and honest to oust Biden because he broke the law a thousand times and he and his family confiscated 27 million dollars? I know that is asking a lot from libs but holy crap just step up once in awhile. please. You all make it sound like Bidens age and loss of abilities was the only reason to get him out. Pretty sick scenario really when you step back and look at it all.

By mcfarm - Aug. 20, 2024, 8:39 p.m.
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does anyone else here see the irony of the dems being forced to cross fences and walls and show ID to get into the DNC rally? Seems like I read where they hate those ideas.

By metmike - Aug. 20, 2024, 9:04 p.m.
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Biden Took to the Stage, and Lied, and Lied, and Lied | Opinion

https://www.newsweek.com/bidens-lies-outshine-dnc-highs-opinion-1942037

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By metmike - Aug. 21, 2024, 1:31 a.m.
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Both the Obamas hit it out of the park tonight.

They are both blessed with gifted speaking, charisma and likability.

Even if you disagree with them on some things, you can’t help but feel respectful because THEY EARN THAT RESPECT!!

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By metmike - Aug. 21, 2024, 2:32 a.m.
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OK, I need to revise that last statement about President Obama when it comes to his fake climate crisis nonsense…,,,which he briefly mentioned 1 time tonight.

Obama seemed to be working MUCH harder for the United Nations as their key sales person for the Paris climate accord than he was in working to put America first.

in 2014-2015, he went around the world to get different countries signed up but not China. Many folks said it can’t be done without china.

a few months before the deadline, he announced that he got china signed up.

everybody celebrated, the media made it sound like Obama had just saved the planet.

 a short while after that, some of us checked to see exactly what china had agreed to because we knew that china was very pro fossil fuels.

obama got them to sign on based on these conditions.

1. instead of pledging immediate CO2 emission cuts, like the rest of the countries signed up, China agreed to try to peak their increasing emissions in 15 years….2030!

2. it was decided that china would be qualified as an undeveloped country not a developed country. Developed country’s in the accord must pay into the green climate fund to raise money that goes to the Undeveloped countries, acting as climate reparations for wrecking their climate.

im not making this up! 

obama was telling the world about how hard he worked to get china to be part of the accord that pays them to be in it, with them doing nothing for 15 years. 

GLOBAL SOCIALISM!
Taking money from the rich countries and weakening their economies with fake green energy schemes and giving it to the poor countries and trying to strengthen their economies.

i really like programs that help less fortunate people in our world…….but not by hijacking climate science and wasting trillions of dollars for crony capitalism, government agenda and funding dishonest science.


By mcfarm - Aug. 21, 2024, 12:30 p.m.
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You can talk all day long about soaring rhetoric but just how far does get a country? Let me remind you with a great example from last nite. OL Michelle gets up and come with a heart warming lie about her parents and how they lived so poor and never ever wanted wealth. And in fact were "suspicious' her word...of rich people. Now read those words and then think. The obamas live in a fricken 17 million dollar house and get paid 750,000 for giving a damn speech. B Obama get up and says Trump want tax breaks for rich people "his friends he says" that the middle class will have to pay for. Pardon me you damn hypocrites you are the rich people. And the middle class will pay forever along with the rich for the mess all you politicians have left to these forgotten citizens

By metmike - Aug. 21, 2024, 2:52 p.m.
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I'm also a practicing environmentalist!

Not like Obama, Kerry, Gore and Hollywood celebs that fly around on their jets, using up 20 times more fossil fuels than the rest of us.........but telling us we have to stop using fossil fuels to save the greening planet(from the current climate optimum for most life).

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By WxFollower - Aug. 21, 2024, 8:54 p.m.
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 Conservative GOP former Lieutenant Gov Geoff Duncan was great with a very short speech at the DNC a little while ago. He said to his fellow Republicans that if you vote for Harris, you’re not voting for a Dem. You’re voting for democracy. He ended it with this:

“Doing the right thing will never be the wrong thing. Stay strong.”

By mcfarm - Aug. 21, 2024, 9:19 p.m.
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so a "conservative" is going to vote for high taxes, more inflation open boarders. war in several countries which easily could lead to world war, politicized  and weaponized doj, abortion on demand up and including day od delivery of human being etc etc...A conservative is going to vote for all of that and more?

By WxFollower - Aug. 21, 2024, 9:34 p.m.
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Hey mc, 

 Indeed, that’s what Duncan said and I fully believe him. He’s sacrificing the next 4 years for the longer term. I see him as a patriot!

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By WxFollower - Aug. 21, 2024, 9:35 p.m.
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Hakeem Jeffries DNC speech: referring to his 2020 loss he compares Trump to an old boyfriend who won’t go away. He then said: “Bro, we broke up with you for a reason.” lmao

By mcfarm - Aug. 22, 2024, 6:12 a.m.
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Clearly you all did break up with Trump for a reason and "YOU" the girl friend were caught cheating on Trump. Now how cute was that analogy and which was more accurate. That analogy turns out to be as accurate as those jobs numbers 

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 7:30 a.m.
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I was working outside and missed most of last onight.

however, it’s impossible to miss a huge part of the D strategy is to attack Trump and Rs.

Trying to scare people about Project 2025 and falsely link Trump to it.

trying to trick people into not understanding our Constitution has a balance of powers with congress writing and passing laws.

they want us to think that if Trump wins, he will be a dictator and it will be the end of democracy…….without ever showing how that will happen.

If he loses, he  and the poor sports, Rs can squawk all they want but, like last time they will be powerless to do anything to change it.

If he wins, there will be no reason to change it.

The Ds and justice department have the franchise on weaponizing the justice system.

Regardless, they make a great case for questioning the mentality of 10s of millions  of Americans bamboozled to think secure elections are fraudulent if  they lose. That the COVID vaccine is more dangerous than COVID and that what Israel  is doing is defending itself(I added the last one)

however, the Ds are convinced  that the best weather;climate and beneficial CO2  for most life  on this greening  planet since humans have existed is a climate crisis. And that we should use crony capitalism, political agenda, corrupted science, media activists and misinformed but sincere environmentalism to wreck our energy delivery system.

And that getting half of Ukraines brave soldiers wiped out and Ukraine obliterated so that NATO  can get Ukraine as part of its objective of destroying Russia…..is supporting Ukrainians…….who want peace with Russia!

So neither party has the franchise on dangerous, delusional thinking!

However, Trump flaunts his delusional thinking and lies like a badge of honor and he will lose because of it.  His base at rallies cheer the loudest for him when he acts this way. Trumps ego and mental illness drive him, so he can’t hide his pathological behavior.

His captured minds can’t contemplate how offensive Trumps demeanor, attacking and blatant  lies are……the other side exploits this against him effectively, exactly because of how repulsive this behavior is to most people.

So I get the Ds spending so much time on this winning strategy.

the Rs want us to focus on agenda and policies but when we cast our vote in November, it will be for a person. The one whose name is on the ballet. 

Thats exactly why the person NOT Donald Trump will win.

Harris doesn’t have to look great ….she just has to  be an alternative to Donald Trump.

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 7:56 a.m.
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Things can happen in 2 months.

We could be in a world war. The economy could crash and there’s a big debate.

regardless, Trump will be the same guy And will likely say hundreds of  retarded, sometimes offensive things because his mouth is the Ds best friend.

There is NO R PLAN that can do sufficient damage control for this the next 2 months.

The MSM will be exploiting Trumps Kryptonite every day. 

apologies for getting carried away.

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 12:23 p.m.
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Fact-checking warnings from Democrats about Project 2025 and Donald Trump

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-warnings-from-democrats-about-project-2025-and-donald-trump

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The Ds continue to blatantly mischaracterize Trump on abortion so that they can attack a position he doesn't have! A straw man fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man


They keep insisting that he will ban abortion, while he keeps insisting that he will return the decision to individual states AS THE CONSTITUTION SUPPORTS. Imagine that, Trump supporting the Constitution.

They KNOW his real position and are intentionally misleading people.

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Trump declines to endorse a national abortion ban. He says limits should be left to the states

                        Updated 6:54 PM CDT, April 8, 2024                            

https://apnews.com/article/trump-abortion-2024-ban-7bf06e0856b88a710c79a6eb85cffa6a

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Trump says abortion legislation should be left to states    

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/08/politics/donald-trump-abortion-2024/index.html

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Trump: States enacting individual abortion laws ‘a beautiful thing to watch’

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4706672-donald-trump-states-abortion-laws/

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                        Biden Harris | Democrats homepage           

Donald Trump Has Plans to Ban Abortion Nationwide. Joe Biden Will Never Let That Happen.

https://joebiden.com/abortion/

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Harris’s prioritization of abortion is an unprecedented and risky strategy

by Shawn Carney, opinion contributor - 08/21/24 2:30 PM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4837181-harris-walz-abortion-issue/

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Hey! I thought Trump was supposed to be the only person attacking and mischaracterizing their opponent with lies?

If the Ds want to play the same game, then IT NULLIFIES SOME OF THIS ADVANTAGE THEY HAVE FOR ETHICAL BEHAVIOR and  we can use something else to decide how to vote...........like agenda and policies. 

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 12:30 p.m.
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Harris’ running mate Tim Walz talks of ‘bringing the joy’ in his national introduction at DNC

https://apnews.com/article/democratic-national-convention-walz-clinton-harris-4f299bd2684c0284dd100f7f0731172f

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This guy has EXTREME high energy. I can see why he made such a great football coach!

By mcfarm - Aug. 22, 2024, 1:08 p.m.
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so they have a friendly kind bright older neighbor type name to this fool? Coach they call him. So warm fuzzy neato. So what's this about not b=able to ever attain a coaching certificate because some past felony. Some people who want America to survive would like to know the answer.

The nation has had many experiences since biden/harris like this one I had this morning.  Get seed bill, there are 5 zeros after the first digit. by far the biggest seed bill ever.. fill my pick=up with gas 112 dollars....go to the post office stamps 73 damn dollars...yes 73 dollars for a roll of stamps to a bankrupt gov run business that could not deliver mail properly if their lives depended on it.

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By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 4:24 p.m.
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This is fascinating.

During the DNC, the D numbers should be peaking. After all, this is when the country gets to see all the key D leaders past and current, presenting themselves as the saviors and the Rs as evil.

Telling us about how diabolical Trump is. Making him out to be even MORE diabolical than he really is. ......that's some serious embellishing (-: and that they are the party that doesn't do that. 

That we must vote D or lose our democracy.


Yet, just the opposite is happening to the D numbers. Harris has been dropping, Trump gaining.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election


I would contend that it might be what they are presenting at the DNC and the way they are presenting it.

Biden's speech for example was an embarrassing, angry, self centered screed that reminded everybody of who our leader has been the past 3.5 years......AND HARRIS WAS HIS VP COVERING HIM! The Ds applauding him insanely and much of the MSM elevating him to one of the greatest presidents status, after what we've had to go thru with this horrible president the past year IN THE REAL WORLD, COULD BE BACKFIRING. 

The extreme divisiveness being demonstrated at the DNC may be a turn off to those on the fence.

The party that takes the high road, according to Michelle Obama...........is demonstrating the low road  in the real world with mischaracterizations and lies about Rs. 

Again, I'm not an R that WANTS this to happen. I'm an independent making observations and not making predictions, using this graph,  although I think Trump will cause himself to lose.........again. 

Other thoughts are VERY welcomes.

The JFK announcement helped at the very end but was not news early in the week.

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Harris ripped for resurfaced claims praising Biden's fitness amid age concerns: 'Complicit in a coverup'

 President Biden announced on Sunday he is dropping out of the 2024 race and endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-ripped-for-resurfaced-claims-praising-biden-amid-age-concerns-complicit-in-coverup

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By WxFollower - Aug. 22, 2024, 6:56 p.m.
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Hey Mike,

 I’m hypothesizing that besides the contribution from RFK possibly endorsing Trump that there was buy the rumor sell the fact action with regard to the DNC. Harris had already had a large bump late July/early Aug with a peak on Aug 12 due to speculating for Harris/against Trump in advance of the convention. Then as the convention (the “fact”) got here, my thinking is that many of those long Harris/short Trump covered to go flat and take their profits with that furthered along by RFK stuff. That covering lead to Harris dropping and Trump gaining.

  

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By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 7:13 p.m.
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As mentioned several times, I think the Ds are extremely happy with their choice right now which is all that matters in the end. However, the last year has been one giant sham and cover up by the Ds and MSM with regards to Biden's presidency/cognitive health and this process.

It takes some luster off the shine they are trying to create at the DNC.

It makes no difference to die heart Ds or NEVER Trumpers but MAYBE it does to others???

The cover up of Biden and hand off to Harris was NOT one of the Ds better moments at demonstrating how a great democracy should work........as they insist the other side is the one threatening democracy.


Journalists Mourn the Wildly Successful ‘Cover-Up’ of Biden’s Advanced Age

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/07/journalists-mourn-the-wildly-successful-cover-up-of-bidens-advanced-age/


Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline    

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/joe-biden-age-decline-democrats-angry/index.html

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There are few people closer to the president than the vice president. Ds are thrilled with Harris as their choice but make no mistake, she played a key role in trying to push him(and her as VP) over the finish line based on a complete lie.

This will go down in history as something unique and BAD which the Ds and Harris will own forever.


By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 7:19 p.m.
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Larry,

What you say makes sense.

Along those lines, I think this was an OVER reaction by the Ds and others to being relieved to have anybody but Joe Biden running.

The first X number of weeks are spent comparing Harris to Biden which makes her look especially good. Of course the MSM was going nuts anointing her as the savior after going sour on Biden. 

After that phase wears off, they more and more compare Harris with Trump and Biden is in the rear view mirror.

Reality sets in.

At the DNC, its pure Harris compared to Trump. 

Biden did his angry farewell speech and now we move forward. 


I wonder what would have happened if Biden and the Ds had done the right thing from the beginning and never ran Biden?

Harris would have had to run against a few other qualified Ds and the media would NOT have taken sides because they would all be Ds.

At this point, the D voters seem very happy with the choice and its possible that she could have beaten the other qualified Ds using the democratic process as designed, instead of the one that we just witnessed.

I say POSSIBLE because a few months ago, she had some of the lowest favorable ratings for a VP in history.

I just checked and she is still pretty low, even with the recent bump up. This is actually causing me to adjust my view to increase Trumps chances, though Trump is slightly worse right now.

Sad state of affairs in this country when these are the 2 running for president!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/kamala-harris/

Do Americans approve or disapprove of Kamala Harris?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2024, 7:44 p.m.
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What about this guy, for instance?


Personally, I think that he would make a much better president than Harris but I also believe that EVERY R would make a better president than Trump.

I  strongly dislike bought and paid for war monger Haley but she would still make a better president.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/pete_buttigieg_favorableunfavorable-6816.html

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By WxFollower - Aug. 22, 2024, 8:15 p.m.
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Did any of you see this? Ann Coulter made fun of Walz’s special needs 17 year old son for crying out of pure love for his dad when he was about to speak last night. Coulter is disgusting. I assume most of you here have empathy for this kid like I do:

https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1826643867946680369

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By WxFollower - Aug. 22, 2024, 10:34 p.m.
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GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger tonight: “

“The Democrats are as patriotic as us”

“Donald Trump has suffocated the soul of the Republican Party”

”We must put country first”

“Democracy knows no party.”

”Vote for our bedrock values and vote for Kamala Harris”

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By WxFollower - Aug. 23, 2024, 1:12 a.m.
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 I thought that Harris saying she’d bring back the bipartisan border bill (which was endorsed by the Border Patrol and blocked by Trump by him telling his supporters in Congress to not support it) and saying she’d sign it was politically smart and one of the best parts of her speech. Many independents such as myself feel the border issue was about the weakest aspect of the Biden-Harris admin.

By metmike - Aug. 23, 2024, 11:41 a.m.
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Thanks, Larry!

Not surprising, Harris made a wonderful speech last night (she has very good communication skills and this is a big part of why I'm extremely confident that she will win the debate with Trump)

Here's her speech and some commentary from the cheeleaders:

Kamala Harris's full speech to the Democratic National Convention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61HY9atD2H4


Read Kamala Harris’ full speech at the Democratic National Convention

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-kamala-harris-full-speech-at-the-democratic-national-convention-2


5 takeaways from Kamala Harris’ historic acceptance speech

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19251/harris-dnc-takeaways


These undecided voters said Harris' speech made up their mind. Hear why

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/video/undecided-voters-pennsylvania-tuchman-dnc-chicago-digvid




Kamala Harris convention speech fact-checked

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyw1l4lgnlo

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There was plenty of other complete bs on things like Project 25 being Trumps agenda, the border bill and other lies.

By metmike - Aug. 23, 2024, 12:13 p.m.
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Now for a reality check and THE TRUTH about this really, REALLY bad border policy that has been falsely framed as a good solution, bipartisan and only blocked because of Trump. NOT!


Senate Republicans block border security bill as they campaign on border chaos

Nearly every GOP senator, along with six Democrats, voted to filibuster a bipartisan bill designed to crack down on migration and reduce border crossings.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607

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The first obvious question that people using critical thinking would ask:

1. How did Donald Trump control 6 Ds that voted against the bill?

2. The 2nd one is, did people actually read and understand the bill?  if so then they wouldn't need to believe the lies about this being an effective way to control illegal immigration. THIS IS NO FIX!

3. I covered this previously but am extremely glad that you brought this up again, Larry so we can elaborate more on the actual bill.

An Analysis of the Senate Border Bill                                    

The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act (H. R. 815)

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill

What We Really Need at the Border 

The changes proposed to border and asylum policy in this bill can be over-simplified into two principles:

  • Making it harder for people to be allowed to start the asylum process upon entering the U.S.; and
  • Making that process itself faster.  

Notably, this bill would not stop anyone from being allowed to set foot on U.S. soil. It would not, therefore, do anything to bring down “the numbers” on its own. The bill’s proponents hope instead that it will reduce the number of people who are allowed to stay in the U.S. outside of immigration custody, and therefore, through word of mouth, reduce the number of people trying to come to begin with.

What we have seen, time and time again, is that adding additional penalties or complications to the process for asylum seekers once they arrive in the U.S. immiserates those asylum seekers without having a lasting impact on overall border arrivals. This is especially true when the process is made longer and less certain, contributing to bottlenecks throughout the system including dangerous border overcrowding.

What is instead needed is a way to resolve these cases quickly and certainly—taking months, not years—without railroading claimants. This bill takes steps in that direction, but overwhelms them with the imposition of an opaque emergency authority, which would undermine any deterrent effect by providing inconsistent outcomes to people attempting to enter the U.S. without warning or rationale.

Efficiency also can’t go so far as to fully sacrifice any meaningful, independent review of decisions. Making a process quicker does not require cutting corners on due process.

The U.S. can’t solve a global displacement crisis just by deporting people to other parts of the world. Cooperation with other countries on migration management to support people in their home countries and in countries they settle in is not a nice-to-have or a long-term goal, it is an essential part of any plan—especially one that expects Mexico and other countries to shoulder the responsibility for taking deportees from other countries.

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The Good — and a Lot of Bad — in the Senate Border ‘Deal’

https://cis.org/Arthur/Good-and-Lot-Bad-Senate-Border-Deal?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw5qC2BhB8EiwAvqa41lrl3bMnByib4BPwWjX5svHh2K83_V0SYYf_Ej5YQHrTimJtNGvEbhoCO2sQAvD_BwE


By metmike - Aug. 23, 2024, 12:40 p.m.
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The bill is something like 400 pages long and probably confusing to many people but let me use an analogy for understanding one of the BAD elements in it.

This does NOT fix the broken system at all, it basically REDEFINES what broken is. Making some things better, some tings even worse.

One aspect of this is like this: It would be like a major city, experiencing all time record crime rates across the board coming up with this plan to "fix" it.

1. Law enforcement, will no longer enforce laws until crime reaches a certain, EXCESSIVE level each day. Only after that  excessive level threshold has been exceeded will cops be sent out to enforce laws and arrest the criminals.

Crime is no longer crime based on an ABSOLUTE definition of crime. The NEW DEFINITION of crime is based on a set thresholds  exceed of what previously was (and still is)  crime. 

So criminals committing crime BEFORE the threshold is reached are treated differently than criminals AFTER the crime threshold is exceeded. 

This is an extremely bad policy. There are numerous other bad parts (a few good) to this NON fix. If Donald Trump was never born, it wouldn't make it any better.

The Ds and MSM have colluded for damage control and the blame for the current border crisis.......which is mostly the result of the current Biden/Harris administration.

They've take a complete border disaster policy from people causing it and FALSELY reframed it as people(Ds)  that actually are trying to fix it but being blocked by President Trump.

Complete donkey dung!

I am for increasing legal immigration and greatly despise President Trump but would NEVER vote for this bill and absurdly blame the lack of passage on Trump. 

These lies actually make me WANT TO vote for Trump to make sure that extremely deceptive Harris, who yesterday made it clear that passing THIS EXACT bill is part of her agenda.

Larry,

Thanks again for bringing this up. There are many tens of millions of Americans that have been led to believe that this bill would fix the border crisis.

Other comments encouraged here!


By cutworm - Aug. 23, 2024, 4:29 p.m.
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This does NOT fix the broken system at all, it basically REDEFINES what broken is.

Exactly right

If they really wanted to fix the problem, they already have the tools. it was getting better with the Trump policies. Especially the remain in Mexico and getting the Mexicans to guard the boarder.

DNC ‘24
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By metmike - Aug. 24, 2024, 7:55 a.m.
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A week ago, Harris announced her plans for the economy that included price fixing. Maybe this is nothing but a political marketing scheme to generate votes with no intentions of implementing such a disastrous policy but she announced that as part of her platform. Just the fact that she's using advisors telling her this is a good idea is EXTREMELY concerning to me when it comes to her economic advisors. 

On Thursday, she revealed that, if elected she will actually try to push this HORRIBLE border bill thru. This is even MORE scary than price fixing. MUCH, MUCH more scary.

Her administration owns 3.5 years of the most catastrophically bad border policies in our nations history, and the D party, trying to escape the accountability they rightfully deserve, have instead, manufactured a FAKE REALITY to Americans that, unbelievably features THEM trying to fix the border and Rs trying to stop them because they were ordered by Trump to keep the border broken, so that he can fix it!

Lies in politics are accepted as part of politicians scheming to trick people into voting for them but this one belongs in the Hall of Fame for galactic lies. And it's obviously working to the point of Harris, making it part of her platform on Thursday!!

This needs to be exposed ASAP.  It would result in codifying a broken border policy into law and NOT fixing it. No wonder Harris was a complete failure to our country in her key role as Biden's key person managing the southern border because, as she made crystal clear on Thursday, the border crisis is actually part of her INTENTIONAL agenda. Pretending that Trump caused it and the Ds are all about fixing it ranks right at the top for biggest lies in political history. 

Analysis of the Senate Border Bill

(An Amendment in the Nature of a Substitute to H.R. 815)

https://cis.org/Fact-Sheet/Analysis-Senate-Border-Bill?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwiaa2BhAiEiwAQBgyHqZrGdhrP8K3eKxhp2NMLq8k2SU32a6X2i9M48HcEAT8mFza6OLHyxoCH9wQAvD_BwE


By CISon May 28, 2024

Download a PDF of this fact sheet

  • Proponents of the Senate border bill contends “it would have overhauled our asylum laws ... and given the President new authorities to close the border”.
  • In reality, it would codify into law the very Biden administration border-migrant release policies that have been driving the migrant catastrophe at the Southwest border for the last 39 months, and make it much more difficult for a future administration to secure the border.
  • Border Patrol apprehensions at the Southwest border soared from just over 400,000 in FY 2020 to more than 2.2 million in FY 2022, a 450 percent increase in two years. The number of known “got-aways” — aliens who evaded apprehension to enter the United States illegally — rose from an average of less than 150,000 in the 11-year period between FY 2010 and FY 2020 to more than 670,000 in FY 2023.
  • In a March 2023 order, federal district court Judge T. Kent Wetherell II rejected DHS’s argument that “geopolitical factors” like “climate change” and poverty are driving this border surge, concluding instead that this “crisis” is occurring now because administration officials have:

    effectively incentivized what they call “irregular migration” ... by establishing policies and practices that all-but-guaranteed that the vast majority of aliens arriving at the Southwest Border who were not excluded under the Title 42 Order would not be detained and would instead be quickly released into the country where they would be allowed to stay ... while their asylum claims were processed or their removal proceedings ran their course.

  • Rather than reversing those “policies and practices”, the bill instead reverses existing statutory mandates requiring DHS to detain inadmissible “applicants for admission” (including illegal migrants) and rewrites the immigration laws to give DHS unfettered authority to release any alien who “indicates an intention to apply for” asylum — based solely on purely subjective “operational circumstances” — and actually mandates their release.
  • That provision of the bill (section 3141) would create a purely one-sided process allowing USCIS asylum officers (AOs) to adjudicate those aliens’ asylum claims following non-adversarial interviews that lack the protections current procedures (overseen by immigration judges — “IJs” — in removal proceedings) include to ensure that aliens are not improperly granted asylum, a status that places the asylee on a path to citizenship.
  • Proponents contend this process would speed asylum adjudications, but such improvements are likely illusory. Current law already requires IJs to adjudicate those claims within 180 days, but Biden’s migrant releases have so overwhelmed the courts that this goal is unattainable — except in cases in which aliens are detained.
  • That provision would, however, speed the issuance of employment authorizations to those aliens, creating a “jobs magnet” drawing more aliens to enter illegally.
  • Separately, the bill rewrites DHS’s general alien arrest and release authority in section 236(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) to allow the department to release any alien stopped at the border on the alien’s own recognizance.
  • The Center has long argued — and Judge Wetherell specifically found — that the current section 236(a) language does not permit such releases, but that has not stopped the administration from releasing nearly 313,000 illegal migrants apprehended at the Southwest border using that purported power in the first seven months of FY 2024 alone. This amendment simply codifies and blesses the administration’s present improper use of this release authority.
  • The bill also makes cosmetic changes to the low “credible fear” bar millions of migrants and smugglers have exploited to enter the United States illegally, but as the Center has explained, that amendment fails to raise, let alone fix, that screening standard. In fact, it arguably lowers the standard, which will itself allow for millions of new abuses of our humanitarian protections.
  • The bill would facilitate the hiring of additional Border Patrol agents, but also imposes new “training” requirements on current agents, requiring them to receive “relevant cultural, societal, racial, and religious training, including cross-cultural communication skills”. Agents are already overworked, and it’s questionable whether they need such instruction.
  • The bill would create “emergency” authority allowing the president to expel illegal migrants once CBP Southwest border encounters reach 4,000 per day, and mandate expulsions when encounters reach 8,500 per day or there is a seven-day average of 5,000 encounters. This “5,000 per-day” limit, however, is riddled with loopholes and sunsets that undermine any effectiveness the concept may have had.
  • More saliently, however, this proposal signals a concession that 5,000 apprehensions per day (1.825 million per year) is an acceptable level of illegal immigration. In the 13-year period between FY 2007 and FY 2019, agents apprehended on average 1,354 illegal migrants per day — just 27 percent of what this “emergency authority” would allow. This proposal far exceeds historical averages.
  • Most critically, however, this bill would make it much more difficult for a future administration to gain “operational control” of the Southwest border, because as noted, the amendments erase detention mandates the Supreme Court has recognized currently bar migrant releases, opening the door to thousands of frivolous “habeas” suits filed by border aliens seeking release into the United States.

Topics: Biden Border Crisis


Re: DNC ‘24
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By metmike - Aug. 24, 2024, 8:14 a.m.
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Kamala Harris won’t fix Biden’s open border — she doesn’t even think illegal immigration is a crime

https://cis.org/Oped/Kamala-Harris-wont-fix-Bidens-open-border-she-doesnt-even-think-illegal-immigration-crime

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This was discussed in detail previously here but it needs to remain, actively discussed before the election because:

1. It's a serious LEGIT CRISIS

2. A key personal responsible for the CRISIS, is running for president.

3. Harris is not only pretending she played no role in causing the crisis(looking the other way to intentionally allow it), she now has the audacity to propose 4 more years of the crisis with a horrible bill  that actually solidifies a border crisis as an accepted US policy moving forward.

4. She/Ds are actually blaming Trump, of all people for the crisis!!! There is no topic that showcases the difference between Harris and Trump than the southern border crisis. The facts show indisputably that Trumps policies were much more effective and were working. When Biden/Harris reversed those policies to intentionally CAUSE THE CRISIS, they made it clear who they are on this topic. Now, Harris is promoting another version of those miserably failed  border crisis policies (because THEY WANT THIS) that would lock in another 4 years of a border crisis.........and pretending like it's a fix!!!