Another 1,000 year rain event
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Started by metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 1:47 p.m.

North Carolina town hit with record rainfall: "Once every 1,000 years"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-record-rainfall-once-every-1000-years/


North Carolina’s coast has been deluged by the fifth historic flood in 25 years

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-record-rainfall-once-every-1000-years/

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1. No question that a 1 deg. warmer atmosphere and ocean, all things being equal can contribute an additional ~7% moisture.  In the slightly cooler climate of a century ago, that would still mean ~17 inches of rain instead of 18.32" at the isolated spot that got 4 inches more than the other places nearby. 17 inches would still be a 1 in 1,000 rainfall.

2. This is still the MAIN reason for 93% of the rain:

It really boils down to this, once again(Cliff Mass can be counted on as an elite source for using objective, authentic science)

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-golden-rule-of-climate-extremes.html

The GoldenRule

 Considering the substantial confusion in the media about this critical issue, let me provide the GOLDENRULE OF CLIMATE EXTREMES. Here it is:

The more extreme a climate or weather record is, the greater the contribution of natural variability.

Or to put it a different way, the larger or more unusual an extreme, the higher proportion of the extreme is due to natural variability.   

3. When we are calling events like this 1 in 1,000 year events with such frequency, we might want to re evaluate what a 1 in 1,000 year event is.  That term is very misleading because it applies to odds at 1 isolated spot. The reality, is that natural variation of extreme weather ALWAYS causes 1 in 1,000 year events at many different places Every year.

4. This did NOT even break the 24 hour rainfall record for the state of NC. You will note on the map below, that NC juts out into the Atlantic in a way that no other East Coast state does which CAUSES these extreme rains from the geography that includes higher elevations going inland adding to lift/convergence.

The Most Extreme 24-Hour Rainfall Records in All 50 States

https://weather.com/news/climate/news/extreme-rainfall-precipitation-recorded-50-states

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By metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 1:52 p.m.
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The record rainfall for NC was 8+ inches greater, set 25 years ago.

The vast majority of these rainfall records were set well before climate change could have had an impact.

A Summary of U.S. State Historical Precipitation Extremes

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Summary-US-State-Historical-Precipitation-Extremes

State 24-hour and monthly precip records

By metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 1:55 p.m.
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US Rainfall Records


The map/link below shows rainfall records for the US for total rains, going from a time frame of 1 minute up to a time frame of 1 year. If you go to the link, you will see this better. It shows the date of occurrence for each of these 20 events. The surprise is that all of them occurred BEFORE 1983 and before man made global warming and climate change would have been a factor. I can't completely explain this as I had recently done a study on our local region going back 120 years that did show heavier rain events over the last 30 years with an especially big increase in the last 15 years..

I think that we have in fact had at least a slight increase in the # of extreme rain events, however, this shows that regardless of humans the really extreme events have always happened and will continue to happen.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oh/hdsc/record_precip/record_precip_us.html

 
USA Records-HDSC/OWP
www.nws.noaa.gov
Disclaimers: Some data are estimates. Not all data have been verified. "*" indicates questionable veracity. Coordinates are approximate.

 

 

Duration  Amount (in)  Location  Start date

1-min 1.23 Unionville, MD 4  Jul 1956

5-min 2.03 Alamogordo Creek, NM  5 Jun 1960  

12-min 2.30 Embarrass, WI 28 May 1881  

15-min 3.95  Galveston, TX 4 Jun 1871

30-min 7.00 Cambridge, OH  16 Jul 1914    42-min 12.0  Holt, MO  22 Jun 1947

 13.8*  Burnsville 6 WNW, WV  4 Aug 1943

60-min 12.0 Holt, MO  22 Jun 1947  

 12.0 305 Kilauea Sugar Plantation, Kauai, HI  24 Jan 1956  

90-min 14.6 Burnsville 6 WNW, WV 4 Aug 1943  

2-hr 15.0  Woodward Ranch (D'Hanis), TX  31 May 1935  

2.17-hr 19.0 Rockport, WV  18 Jul 1889  

2.75-hr 22.0  Woodward Ranch (D'Hanis), TX  31 May 1935  

3-hr 28.5  Smethport, PA  18 Jul 1942  

4.5-hr 30.7  Smethport, PA  18 Jul 1942  

12-hr 34.3  Smethport, PA 17 Jul 1942  

18-hr 36.4 Thrall, TX  9 Sep 1921  

24-hr 43.0  Alvin, TX 29.42 -95.24 25 Jul 1979

3,4,5 4-day 62.0  Kukaiau, Hamakua, HI  27 Feb 1902  

8-day 82.0  Kukaiau, Hamakua, HI  28 Feb 1902  

1-month 149  Mt. Waialeale, Kauai, HI  1 Mar 1982  

12-month 739  Kukui, Maui, HI  1 Dec 1981

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However, there were a number of individual STATE rain records broken in 2018/19. with a 1 year anomaly/spike higher.

Since 1970, the US has been wetter, as seen on the graph below.

A Summary of U.S. State Historical Precipitation Extremes

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Summary-US-State-Historical-Precipitation-Extremes

July-to-June precip records for U.S. since 1895

         

By metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 1:57 p.m.
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By metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 1:59 p.m.
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The Worst Floods in WORLD History

https://www.ranker.com/list/worst-floods-in-history/eric-vega?page=4


1. August 1931 Yangtze River, China  3,700,000 killed

2. September 1887  Yellow River, China 2,000,000 deaths

3. June 1938  Yellow River, China  800,000 deaths

4. August 1975 Banqiao, China 230,000 dead

5. 1935  Yangtze River  145,000 dead

6. November 1530 St. Felix Flood, Holy Roman Empire/Europe 100,000+ killed

7. August 1971, Hanoi/Red Rivers,  North Vietnam 100,000 dead

8. May 1911 Jiangsu-Anhui, China   100,000 dead

9. December 1287  Holy Roman Empire/Europe  50,000+ dead

10. September 1949  Guatemala  40,000 dead

11. June 1954  Yangtze River, China 30,000 dead

12. June 1974  Bangladesh  28,700 dead

13. January 1362 St. Marcellus Flood-Ireland/Britain/N.Germany 25,000+ dead

14. November 1570 All Saints Flood Netherlands 20,000+ killed

15. December 1999 Vargas mudslides Venezuela  20,000 dead  


How many of these events took place in the last 40 years?

Answer= 1

How many were caused by climate change =0

How many were 5% worse because of climate change(1999)  =1

By metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 2:01 p.m.
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You want a REAL climate CRISIS?

This is what it looks like:

Can you imagine if this below happened today? It's less likely because climate change and the current climate OPTIMUM is helping to PROTECT US!

The planet had a REAL climate crisis between 1876 and 1878.

50 million people died. 3% of the global population died from that real climate crisis!

Causes of the Great Famine, One of the Deadliest Environmental Disasters

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2017/12/15/causes-great-famine-drought/

Who was the photographer who took these dehumanising images of the Madras famine?



El-Niño Grande and the Great Famine (1876-78)

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AGUFMGC51F..04S/abstract

The 1876-1878 Great Famine impacted multiple regions across the globe including parts of Asia, Nordeste Brazil, and northern and southern Africa, with total human fatalities exceeding 50 million people, arguably the worst environmental disaster to befall humanity.


NASA EXPLAINS THE DUST BOWL DROUGHT

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2004/0319dustbowl.html 

@kannbwx

A brief history of U.S. #corn yield growth since the 1860s  Notable growth in yields was seen after the adoption of modern fertilizers in the 1940s, which made drought years esp. in the 1980s stand out more than before (compare with 1930s Dust Bowl for example).

Image

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And the current climate crisis is somehow worse than the 1930's NATURAL climate crisis(an entire decade called the Dust Bowl)?


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/56668/#56673


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67004/


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/87422/#87425


By metmike - Sept. 17, 2024, 2:03 p.m.
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