Then-Attorney General Bill Barr decided in 2020 to publicly rebut Trump’s false claims that the election was rigged after watching Trump spread these lies on Fox News, prosecutors say.
“On November 29, [Barr] saw the defendant appear on the Maria Bartiromo Show and claim, among other false things, that the Justice Department was ‘missing in action’ and had ignored evidence of fraud,” prosecutors wrote.
They continued, “[Barr] decided it was time to speak publicly in contravention of the defendant’s false claims, set up a lunch with a reporter for the Associated Press, and made his statement.”
This was the December 1, 2020, statement in which Barr infamously said the Justice Department had looked into potential election irregularities but didn’t find any widespread fraud that could’ve tipped the results. This was a major move by Barr, a lifelong Republican who at the time was a staunch Trump ally.
Barr’s name is redacted in the filing, and he is referred to as “P52.” But P52 is described as the “attorney general,” and Barr was the attorney general at that time.
Barr resigned just before Christmas 2020.
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metmike: I always thought that Bill Barr had integrity. This special council doesn't need to make up anything. He has a pile of LEGIT evidence the size of Mt. Everest to convict Donald Trump!
Being elected is the only thing that will save him.
Previous threads:
SCOTUS: 6-3 POTUS immunity but only for official acts
21 responses |
Started by WxFollower - July 1, 2024, 12:35 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/105284/#105326
Jan 6 indictment/Trump(8-1-2023)
Started by metmike - Aug. 1, 2023, 10:32 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97784/
It is NOT about the 1st Amendment
23 responses |
Started by joj - Aug. 3, 2023, 7:43 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97845/
Finally-a legit case against Trump!
Started by metmike - Aug. 27, 2024, 8:02 p.m.
Trump civil fraud trial-nonsense
Started by metmike - Nov. 12, 2023, 2:43 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100509/
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Get Trump-Hush Money Hullabaloo
Started by metmike - April 17, 2024, 4:57 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103255/
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Trump rape case
Started by metmike - May 3, 2023, 9:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94926/
Liz Cheney after endorsing Harris speaks at a Wisconsin event slamming Trump, a beautiful thing to see: country over party!
'Petty, vindictive, and cruel': Cheney slams Trump during appearance with Harris
Liz Cheney is awesome!
I greatly disliked her warmonger father.
So sad that she had to pay a price for having integrity but this speaks for itself.
Donald Trump claimed he "won" the 2020 presidential election during a rally in Michigan on Thursday, a day after a lengthy legal filing from special counsel Jack Smith was made public detailing the election fraud case against the former president.
While encouraging the crowd in the key battleground state to "turn out and vote in record numbers," Trump reiterated previous false claims about the last election. "You know last time, last election, we did great in 2016 a lot of people don't know we did much better in 2020," he said. "We won, we won, we did win. It was a rigged election, it was a rigged election."
Following his election loss to Joe Biden in 2020, Trump repeatedly claimed that his Democratic opponent had only won through massive fraud. These claims led to the January 6 Capitolriot. No credible evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election has been found. Biden won Michigan by a narrow 2.78 percentage-point margin.
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I'm pretty sure that one tactic that Trump is going to use in defense is to claim that he was totally convinced that he won and he was just making choices to right something that he was convinced was wrong.
There are 2 problems with that strategy:
1. Key advisors like his attorney general, Bill Barr told him with crystal clarity that he lost and there was no fraud.
2. Being delusional(wrong) about something doesn't give you the right to break the law or abuse your power. If I am delusional and convinced that your vehicle belongs to me and I take it, I committed a crime, regardless of my mental state. Or if I rob a bank because I think some of the money there is mine........I go to jail for breaking the law that applied TO EVERYBODY!.
3. I am 100% convinced that Trump is mentally ill, using a CLINICAL/MEDICAL definition.
Trump 7-26-24
Started by metmike - July 26, 2024, 11:34 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106215/
Using this as part of his defense seems extremely unlikely because it would be an admission of compromised mental health that would disqualify him from being president and he would not meet the standards of the courtroom for being mentally ill. HOWEVER, the trial will be AFTER he loses in November and it could be a legit way to weaken the severity of the crimes and overwhelming evidence against him and possibly, prevent him from going to prison. Don't rule this out. If I was his attorney "Diminished Capacity" is absolutely what I would insist we use........here's more:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/diminished_capacity
"Diminished capacity," as opposed to "not guilty by reason of insanity."
Diminished capacity is a theory that a person due to unique factors could not meet the mental state required for a specific intent crime. A diminished capacity plea differs in important ways from an insanity defense. Insanity is an affirmative defense to crimes. That is, a successful plea of insanity will, in most states, result in a verdict of not guilty and commission of the defendant to a mental institution. Diminished capacity, on the other hand, merely results in the defendant being convicted of a lesser offense.
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Just to separate these 2, here's another definition. This one makes the accused completely blameless as opposed to diminished capacity that REDUCES the severity of the crimes. No chance this one will be used by Trump.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/insanity_defense
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Why I suspect that diminished capacity could be used is that even despite all the evidence and Jack Smith unveiling the goods and what that evidence is.......Trump continues to insist that he won and the Ds cheated to beat him. He has never wavered from that position in public. For you and me and non MAGA, clear thinking people this is delusional thinking. One would assume that a president can tell the difference between what's real and what's not real. However, in court, Trump attorney's will be trying to convince the jury that he was and still is convinced that the election was stolen from him and use the "diminished capacity" defense. His statements to this day are proof they can use that he still believes it.
What the prosecutor MUST DO is prove that, outside of the public displays, in private he recognized to associates, that he lost enough times to convince a jury that he understood clearly that he lost and he was committing crimes by trying to overturn the election and not just trying to fix the results of a stolen election based on imagined fraud.
This will be the key to the SEVERITY of the penalty to Trump.
I seriously think the prosecutor will have a hard time convincing EVERY member of the jury that Trump knew he lost. The prosecutor has a mountain of evidence against Trump but Trump has an equal sized mountain of evidence to show that he thought and still thinks he won.
Remember, in a criminal court, the prosecutor must prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. One can make a strong case that Trump has always thought that he won, since 99% of his words and actions support that. Jack Smith can show 1% of the time evidence(in private) when Trump acknowledged that he lost but that is NOT beyond reasonable doubt evidence to offset the other 99%!!!!
This position is a form of diminished capacity which will reduce the severity of Trumps crimes.
It doesn't matter if most of us are convinced that he knew that he lost. I contend that they can get several fair jurors to have reasonable doubt, using the evidence and APPLYING THE LAW. If/when that happens, they must apply the law to convict him of crimes based on DIMINISHED CAPACITY PENALTIES BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT ALL 12 JURORS WILL BE UNANIMOUS ON.
THAT'S THE LAW!
https://www.newsweek.com/tina-peters-former-colorado-county-clerk-9-year-sentence-trump-1963513
Peters remained unapologetic about her actions following her conviction. In a post on the social media platform X (formerly Twitter) following her conviction, Peters accused Dominion Voting Systems, the Colorado-based company that provided her county's election equipment, along with state election officials' lawyers, of stealing votes.
"I will continue to fight until the Truth is revealed that was not allowed to be brought during this trial. This is a sad day for our nation and the world. But we WILL win in the end," she said.
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The people that make these accusations about there being fraud related to the 2020 election are correct.........and it's THEM committing ALL THE FRAUD!
They mentioned her connections with Mike Lindell. A guy we know well here!
He's baaack )-:
Started by metmike - Nov. 4, 2023, 9:32 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100309/
This thread has 100 links here that show 1,000+ posts by me obliterating the fake election steal and January 6th insurrection conspiracy theories.
If there was 1 best thread at MarketForum to use as an authoritative source with the most authentic facts(some repeated numerous times to others that lack basic comprehension on this topic) and evidence on this topic, this is it:
around 200 trancripts released from jan 6th
11 responses |
Started by mcfarm - June 17, 2023, 4:52 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96365/
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Many to Most of these discussions were prompted by people convinced that the election was stolen from Donald Trump in 2020 and that Trump was framed on January 6th by the FBI and Trump tried to stop the riot but Nancy Pelosi blocked him.
At least metmike learned alot in the hundreds of hours of conversations, based on open minded fact gathering, interpreting/analysis to reach objective discernment that is completely without political bias.
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Despite the lack of comprehension and absurd nature of the position of those that SINCERELY believe Trump and the far right sources that the 2020 election was stolen, I try my best to be respectful AND HELPFUL in patiently debunking this and proving the opposite with all the facts.
And always remembering this:
gee after reading DR MM's analysis of Trump from a thousand miles away I wonder what are the chances of Trump getting off scott free just like a lib dem would. Ya know that elderly but well meaning gentleman but with a poor memory. So we will just pretend nothing ever happened. Dear Mr Trump please just put a D after your name and all your troubles would disapear
Thanks, mcfarm!
I wonder what are the chances of Trump getting off scott free just like a lib dem would. Ya know that elderly but well meaning gentleman but with a poor memory.
The difference between what Biden did with some classified documents that he returned and what Trump did with diabolical plots, committing numerous crimes, trying to overturn the results of the most secure election in history, including inciting an insurrection.......is like comparing a speed bump in the road to Mt. Everest.
I think the Biden case sets a precedent that should result in Trump's documents case following the same path, even though Trump refused to cooperate. However, this is NOT the documents case.
THIS IS THE ELECTION CASE!
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Related to this is the fact that Hillary Clinton, the Ds, DOJ and MSM refused to accept the results of the 2016 election but they used clever LEGAL schemes to undermine the Trump presidency.
They created a 2.5 year long fake investigation into Trump colluding with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election and steal the election from Clinton. Mueller knew from shortly after he started the Witch Hunt that Trump was completely innocent. So he/they spent the rest of his time, creating crimes by investigating people in Trumps circle and doing things like getting them to lie on questions they already knew the answers to........and charging them with perjury.
All the while, for 2.5 years, giving the impression that they were racking up evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia and letting the media and Ds use it for false narratives to convince Americans of Trump's guilt.........while knowing Trump was completely innocent the entire time.
Then, when Mueller announced what he found.............surprise, surprise, Trump did no wrong. Even though Mueller spun it, for damage control to not completely exonerate Trump- instead, implying falsely that he would have to wait until Trump was a private citizen to prosecute. Well, why didn't he do it then? Answer: Mueller was completely full of shist from beginning to end.
But then, his report suggested that Russia's interference caused Clinton to lose as if Russia, suddenly did something unique in 2016 that they didn't always do and that we don't do.
But here's the thing:
Mueller's very corrupt investigation, very sadly was legal and even this was more like an Appalachian mountain top compared to Mt. Everest when viewing what Trump did after the 2020 election loss that violated countless laws, ethical behavior, his oath to the American people that he betrayed and to uphold the Constitution that he blatantly violated.
Regardless of whether you think Biden or a D would get away with it is a mute point. Trump DID THE CRIME THIS TIME!
The defense can't be: "He should be allowed to commit the worst crime ever against our 200+ year old democracy because a democrat would get away with it"
Trump DID THE CRIME THIS TIME! Here comes the deserved consequences!
Unless he gets elected.
Biden cooperated. Where does that BS keep coming from? How the hell does selling top secret information to a ghost writer for a 12 million dollar book deal in any damn way signal cooperation. Directly from Biden. I found more classified documents in the garage. Who did he call with that? Not the doj, not the ss, hell not even Hunter who had no doubt already ravaged them, he calls a book writer. Yes more cooperation.
Next we will hear how Hunter "cooperated" with the cocaine investigation. Wow what ever became of that evidence?
mcfarm,
I was 1 million times more concerned with what the Biden's did in Ukraine and never paid a price for and never will pay a price for.
Re: Re: Re: Congress getting rich from lobby bribes
By metmike - Sept. 7, 2023, 8:19 a.m.
Related to this.
Hunter Biden was making a career in the business described on the previous page as a LEGAL lobbyist in the U.S.
That was, until his VP dad became the point man for Ukraine corruption.
The 2 of them, saw a much more lucrative but dishonest way to get rich quick.
They came up with a plan for Hunter to go to Ukraine and apply his bribing skills on the corrupt Ukrainians using influence peddling schemes.
Hunter used his dad's influence (selling the Biden brand as Devon Archer testified to under oath) and constant interactions to bribe numerous corrupt entities in Ukraine and other countries. This resulted in the Bidens being paid 10s of millions of dollars that was laundered thru shell companies to make it extremely hard to track.
This is ILLEGAL. Money laundering and not paying taxes is ILLEGAL and that doesn't even speak to the tactics being used to generate the money.
At the very least, Hunter was acting as a foreign lobbyist, practicing illegally because he never registered as required.
Biden corruption/coverup 10+ times worse than Watergate
Started by metmike - June 9, 2023, 8 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/#96356
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/#96362
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"I'm not making a case to impeach Joe right now. However, when corruption at the expense of the American people takes places, it needs to be exposed or else it serves to reward corruption and encourage MORE corruption.
This especially includes the DOJ's role which is the worst part. Them abusing their power to cover up the corruption.
If the law enforcement agencies are corrupt and enforcing laws based on picking and choosing who to prosecute and who to give a free pass to based on politics, it MUST BE exposed.
Not doing so is positive reinforcement for those corrupt entities to operate with impunity."
The Biden family are pikers compared to Jared Kushner's 2 billion from the Saudis. That's billion with a 'B'.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia
Thanks much, joj!
Our politicians and their families sure are corrupt!
We can always count on the opposing party to be the ones to expose the real corruption, while sometimes making corruption up to target political opponents.
At the exact same time, we can count on each party to vehemently deny any and all corruption by them, including their REAL corruption.
And each side, the political spectators (us) will just believe whatever politically biased sources they/we use to tell them what they want to hear and/or what they want them to think.
There is no objective or authentic truth that can be agreed upon.
Just political truths that are different for each party!
Not a peep from the moderator about Kushner taking that 2 billion in blood money from the Saudi Prince Mohammad Bin Salman.
Let me know when you find the "10s of millions" the Bidens raked in.
Thanks, Joj!
I made many dozens of posts on the compelling evidence against Biden. I posted the links above.
I will copy them again when back at the office but it’s a waste of time.
You responded this,way ……denial and repeating that powerful evidence,…….is not really evidence to those posts, just like all good Ds do when it’s one of theirs that does Something wrong.
Same with all good Rs. They all know that Trump didn’t cause the insurrection. It was ray epps and the FBI. Framing him. It was Nancy Pelosi For canceling the national guard.. He didn’t do anything wrong trying to overturn the 2020 election. He was just exercising his first amendment rights and carrying out his presidential duties.
They are just as sure about this as you are that Joe Biden did nothing wrong in Ukraine….despite the mt Everest pile of evidence that proves otherwise.
I encourage you to help me out about corruption that you brought up. I don’t get paid but do my best at covering as much as possible in an honest way. Complaining that I don’t do even more for free that,lines up with what YOU think that I should be covering is ok if that’s how you want to be.
ill just be thankful to you for bringing it to my attention and get to it when I have a chance……because it makes for a great thread or continued discussion.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/08/nx-s1-5146501/trump-putin-covid-tests
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Gee, what a coincidence, it's a month before the election and Bob Woodward, the TDS, yellow journalist, just came out of the "woodwork" and is sending out press releases to all the media in the United States about his new book.
TDS station, ABC and David Muir elevated it to one of their top stories in last night's national news. Right up there with Hurricane Milton.
Kushner formed an investment firm right after Trump left office, and six months later, the sovereign wealth fund of Saudi Arabia, controlled by the crown prince, invested $2 billion.
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While its obvious that Kushner's relationship to the FORMER president played a key role in him acquiring this $2 Billion dollars, I see some huge differences compared to what Joe Biden did in Ukraine.
1. Kushner has a real business.
Hunter's business was extorting money from Ukraine and other people/places.
2. Trump was no longer in office.
Joe Biden was vice president and that was the biggest part for Hunter to successfully "sell the Biden brand"
3. Kushner was a private US citizen(related to Trump and with previous connections because of his previous position)
Hunter was illegally practicing as an unregistered foreign lobbyist and influence peddling his dad, the vice president in office at the time.
4. Trump played no role that we know of with direct contacts related to Jarad's business and Saudi Arabia's investment in a REAL COMPANY.
Biden claims to have played no role........but the testimony, phone calls and pictures show him to be blatantly lying.
5. The money to Kushner went to his business.....to invest in American and Israeli companies expanding in India, Africa, the Middle East and other parts of Asia! REAL COMPANIES!
The money to Hunter went into Biden family bank accounts, using fake business's/shell companies and different banks to make it harder to track. What was that business??? Extorting money using the influence of VP Biden.
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Did Kushner use his relationship with previous president Trump to get this money?
Of course he did. Maybe he broke some laws? It's possible but not obvious, like with the Biden's that formed an extremely corrupt team while Joe was VP to use Ukrainian corruption to their benefit. Joe was the point man for fixing the corruption in Ukraine and instead, he used his position to EXPLOIT the corruption and use it for the Biden family, making Ukrainian corruption EVEN WORSE! Now, look what he did to Ukraine. He paid them back 200 billion tax payer dollars (10,000 times what Ukraine gave the Bidens) to get them decimated. With friends like this.........who needs enemies!!
joj,
You pressed me to cover it. Watch out for what you wish for because you might get it
Biden corruption/coverup 10+ times worse than Watergate
Started by metmike - June 9, 2023, 8 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/#96356
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/#96362
Press Conference on Biden Investigation 5-10-23
53 responses
Started by metmike - May 9, 2023, 12:27 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/95063/
Biden's speech 6-2-23
6 responses |
Started by metmike - June 2, 2023, 8:36 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/95855/
‘Just Brutal for President Biden!’
12 responses |
Started by metmike - May 7, 2023, 2:53 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94997/
Biden cover ups
34 responses |
Started by metmike - April 23, 2023, 1:25 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94709/
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Previous threads related to this:
Trouble ahead for Biden
20 responses |
Started by metmike - Jan. 13, 2023, 7:25 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92170/
Previous threads about Hunter and Biden family corruption/crimes:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/83715/
Hunter Biden's numerous crimes being investigated
Started by metmike - April 7, 2022, 9:56 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/83121/
Hunter back in the news
Started by metmike - July 3, 2021, 3:25 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71953/
More smoking gun evidence on Bidens
78 responses | 1046 likes
Started by metmike - Oct. 14, 2020, 7:39 p.m.
Since I don't expect anybody to go thru hundreds of posts and pick out the relevant ones, I'll pick out just 2 of them that busted Joe Biden's lie that he never spoke with Hunter about his business.
Re: Bad news for the Biden's and their big corruption cover up
By metmike - April 26, 2022, 9:26 p.m.
https://nypost.com/2022/04/23/joe-biden-met-with-hunter-biden-business-partner-at-the-white-house/
Hunter Biden’s closest business partner made at least 19 visits to the White House and other official locations between 2009 and 2015, including a sitdown with then-Vice President Joe Biden in the West Wing.
Visitor logs from the White House of former President Barack Obama reviewed by The Post cast further doubt over Joe Biden’s claims that he knew nothing of his son’s dealings.
Eric Schwerin met with Vice President Biden on November 17, 2010 in the West Wing, when he was the president of the since-dissolved investment fund Rosemont Seneca Partners.
The logs also reveal that Schwerin met with various close aides of both Joe and Jill Biden at key moments in Hunter’s life when he was striking multi-million dollar deals in foreign countries, including China. Yet President Biden has long insisted he had no involvement in his son’s foreign affairs. “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings,” he said in 2019.
metmike: We proved that to be a lie several times here(as well as numerous other things related to this):
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/60077/
Joe Biden (second from right) and his son Hunter (right) golfing in the Hamptons with Devon Archer
Re: Re: Bad news for the Biden's and their big corruption cover up
By metmike - April 26, 2022, 9:33 p.m.
The Schwerin White House visits included:
Previous, massive evidence and cover ups by the MSM:
I'm SHOCKED!
Especially with this happening after President Obama started campaigning for Harris.
Trump's chances of winning, then pardoning himself have soared much higher.
Or the case being dropped/postponed while he's president.
Harris has been making the mistake of campaigning......... being seen and heard too much. Usually a positive for candidates trying to connect with people and get their message across. She is NOT presidential and appears to be very fake!!
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
I definitely think that whenever Biden comes out, he hurts Harris alot. He’s stumbling and slurring his words reading from a teleprompter.
very angry about Trump. Then shuffling out with baby steps from his alheimer gait. Not inspiring confidence or showing competence.
The most presidential, competent person this week was DeSantes……by far.
He made Harris and Biden look like clueless fools and many of us wishing that he was running against Harris. It really looks like hurricane Milton and scuttlebutt over Helene was a boost for Rs that left Americans yearning for better leadership like we saw with DeSantis.
actually, any 2 people other than these 2, Trump and Harris would be great.
The real turning point on the graph appears to be the VP debate.
Aftr trumps debate debacle dropped him to hopelessly behind ……Vance came out and owned Waltz….and the biased moderators most,of the time, except for the 2020 election question.
Since then, it appears that there was a major swing away from Harris and for Trump.
I've not followed this indicator long enough to know how accurate it is but since the VP debate, the change has been mind boggling. I am stunned!
VP debate
21 responses |
Started by metmike - Sept. 30, 2024, 2:10 p.m.
Looks like Trump IS NOT TOAST since its against the Constitution to prosecute a sitting president and the Ds won't be able to impeach him again for political agenda because they won't have the majority in either house to abuse their power again(like they did with the complete nonsense 1st impeachment in 2019).
well wouldn't ya know. One of the chief idiots Smith just today made the first filing in court to that leads to dismiss. Dec 2nd he is set to finally admit he should be the one in jail.
mcfarm,
That is the WRONG interpretation. Smith has a Mt. Everest pile of LEGIT evidence against Trump but can't use it on a sitting president.
Will he pause for 4 years and refile after Trump's 2nd term?
Trump will be firing him so will the next prosecutor appointed by a D president do that?
https://www.abc27.com/news/jack-smith-asks-for-pause-in-jan-6-case-after-trumps-election-win/
If the Ds make enough gains in the mid term elections to get control of either house, look for them to impeach Trump again.
so now you are saying someone as corrupt as Smith is going to suddenly decide to follow rules and regulations. Right. And the idiots in NY and Georgia will amazingly decide the same. Quickly followed by the FBI, the CIA, The DOJ. The Irs etc. Now they will suddenly just follow the law. These are the very people who nearly destroyed this country and now they are law aiding deep thinkers of course with no consequences what so ever.
Just like I thought on the election {likely a Trump blow out with over 300 electoral votes and a popular vote win} I will predict these cases melt away faster than global warming will drown the Obamas mansion on the coast.
Thanks, mcfarm,
He has no choice!
people will debate whether Trump will pardon himself at the end of his term.
some people think that Biden might pardon hunter at the end of his term. I will guess no but bidens delusional clinging to his position as the D presidential candidate, as if somehow he could be the president for another 4 years ……long after the rest of the planet knew his cognitive losses made that impossible, means that his greatly compromised (diminished)judgment is weighted massively towards self serving interests.
as a follow up and I have asked 3 times I would still like all others opinions on just where nearly 18 million votes disappeared or were never there from 2020 v 2024. Especially after all the raving on how this was easily the most consequential election in history they all said in unison.
as a follow up and I have asked 3 times I would still like all others opinions on just where nearly 18 million votes disappeared or were never there from 2020 v 2024. Especially after all the raving on how this was easily the most consequential election in history they all said in unison.
mcfarm,
I have answered that specific question A DOZEN+ times and this shows how people's brain works.
You/we don't comprehend or remember explanations that don't line up with what we/you want to believe.........SO YOU KEEP ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED REPEATEDLY BECAUSE YOU KEEP REJECTING THE SAME COMPREHENSIVE ANSWERS EVERY TIME.
So let's do it differently this time, mcfarm.
I'm in Detroit with my Dad for the next week with less time than usual. If I go back AGAIN and do a search to get this answer previously to show you it and copy paste it here AGAIN, will you stop insisting that its NOT an answer because you don't want to believe it????
Regardless of your response, here it is again and again and again. Do you accept it this time?
By metmike - July 5, 2024, 11:35 p.m.
Just about every R in this country should be hoping the Joe Biden stays in the race.
While Ds are increasingly hoping he withdraws so they can have a new, younger person that is able to perform the duties of a president and immediately unite the divided Ds in order to beat Trump.
I'm sure that on election day, the Ds will do some uniting, regardless of who is on the ticket. Uniting to stop Trump, especially.
However, with Biden staying in, they will likely NOT get the additional 9 million votes that the Ds got in 2020 which came out to vote NOT Donald Trump and clearly defeat him by every authentic standard.
In 2016, we saw what millions of Ds staying home did because they didn't like their own candidate.... Too many Ds greatly disliked Hillary Clinton.
Right now, too many D's greatly dislike Joe Biden. Millions will stay home because of that. This is the recipe for another 2016 loss.
Joe Biden is not only losing in almost all the polls, the rationale for this and it leading to another D loss of the presidency in November couldn't be more crystal clear.
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By metmike - Jan. 16, 2024, 12:19 a.m.
Thanks, cutworm!
President Biden will announce that he's not running because of a health problem and throw his weight behind...........Gavin?
No way that the party doesn't already know this. It makes no sense to run Biden if they want to win.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99844/#101712
It's pretty typical for the President in his first term to get the support of their party when running for a 2nd term.
However, this is anything but typical.
Biden was too old 4 years ago but he became NOT Donald Trump on the ballots and the Ds came out in record numbers, not because they like Biden but to stop Trump.
However, this time there are millions more NOT Joe Bidens out there than in 2020 because they have eyes and ears.
And MANY MORE Ds that came out to vote for Biden that will stay home, like they did with Clinton because they disliked her so much.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: President Biden says he will run again in 2024, NBC reports
By metmike - April 13, 2023, 12:31 a.m.
When you look at these near final poll numbers before the 2020 election below, realize again what I've stated numerous times here:
1. Trump had a higher unfavorable number than Biden in 2020. Many more millions of people, just like 2016 voted for NOT Donald Trump and NOT Joe Biden.
2. Unlike 2016, when Ds just stayed home because they didn't like Clinton, especially compared to Obama, in 2020, they learned their lesson and on top of that, Ds and some Independents really, really hated Donald Trump. Many millions that almost never vote came out to vote for NOT Donald Trump. He united the opposite party like no person ever has. Many Ds did not like Biden either but the last 2 elections were no longer decided based on a really likeable person.
The loser is determined by the one with the most people that vote AGAINST THEM not because they didn't get enough votes for them.
There were less votes against Joe Biden in 2020 and more votes against Donald Trump............many more.
People/Ds that stayed home in 2016 wasted their chance to use their vote AGAINST the one they disliked the most which would have beat Trump. The polls had Clinton winning but they didn't know millions would just stay home instead of voting for her.
In 2020, a record number of people voted because one of them was Donald Trump who stirs up emotions that cause people to act.......especially the side that hates him.
Before 2016, this was completely unheard of! (other than Barry Goldwater in 1964).
Look at the graph below. In the past, it was the total opposite. The bottom half of the candidates below had at least double the favorable vs unfavorable rating.
The bottom 8 had around a 4 times more favorable vs unfavorable opinion. The bottom 3 were around 6 times more favorable vs unfavorable.
This is absolute proof of a monumental problem for US politics in this age!!!
Candidates since 2016 are literally winning presidential elections by NOT being the other person.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Election stolen from Trump
By metmike - Nov. 2, 2021, 4:21 p.m.
Also mcfarm,
The clear reason for Biden to get more votes than Obama, as jmk stated was they were not voting for Biden........they were voting AGAINST Trump.
Actually, that's the reason that Trump won in 2016...........people were voting AGAINST Hillary........but not nearly as many.
Biden was a horrible candidate and we can see why now but when most people went into the voting booth in November 2020, they saw 1 name.
1. Donald J. Trump or
2. NOT Donald J. Trump
The fact that the majority of Republicans actually STILL believe that the election was stolen from Trump is incredible.
Regardless, we spent many months of uncensored fun of discussing every iota of everything related to that situation.
This one, that was brought up recently was my personal favorite:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63343/
I was more than happy to address each situation and provide the authentic facts and truth.
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11-10-24
mcfarm,
These were just a few of the examples explaining why so many more Ds voted in 2020. Same explanation every single time. There were many, many hand counted votes and investigations to try to find actual voting of people that didn't exist by the Rs and other fraud. If there were 10 million fraudulent votes, why were they unable to find any of them?
You disagree?
Show me just 1 investigation that showed just 1% of those votes were fraudulent mcfarm!
Did the Ds have some magical mystery, secret way of adding 10 million fake votes in 2020 that still hasn't been discovered yet EVEN AFTER THE RS LOOKED EVERYWHERE.
The explanation has always been the same for 4 straight years based on authentic, verified facts!
The only thing that can change at this point is you deciding to believe in the indisputably proven facts/truth instead of clinging to what you wish were true/want to believe.
How about it, mcfarm?
Are you ready to take that step?
It can only happen if/when you allow yourself to see REAL things that you don't want to believe in.
The reason that this is near impossible for you and 10s of millions of mainly far right Rs and Trump followers is that many of your favorite, trusted sources are bald faced lying to you about the 2020 election fraud.
They can do this to you because you believe in them and what they say with the faith of a religion and think anybody with authentic facts that contradicts your faith…….is wrong.
They are using you. Targeting you and stealing your intelligence.
Ironically, you see when Trump and the R party are victims of the justice department, Ds and MSM, AND IVE MADE HUNDREDS OF POSTS WITH THE REAL EVIDENCE OF THEM DOING IT TO YOU GUYS….while at the exact same time, you allow yourself to be a victim of Trump and your far right sources that blatantly lie about the 2020 election and January 6th.
They are stealing your intelligence, mcfarm AND YOU AND 10s of millions just like you are THEIR victims.
BOTH SIDES ARE CERTAIN THAT THE OTHER SIDE IS EVIL, LYING, CHEATING, LAW BREAKING, Constitution and DEMOCRACY THREATENING, COUNTRY WRECKING, DEBT CAUSING, ECONOMY HARMING, FOREIGN POLICY EMBARRASSMENTS, while their side is always the victims that NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG.......AND ONLY THRU THEM WILL THE COUNTRY BE SAVED!
AND YOU WONDER WHY THE COUNTRY KEEPS GETTING MORE DIVIDED!
Who would have any incentive to get along with and unite with half a country of Satans trying to destroy them and the country???
I’m obviously exaggerating about how MANY people feel and in some cases, like independents our feelings don't line up with this but this seems to line up fairly closely with your opinions, mcfarm!
And also the far left AND the far right…….which together make up, maybe more than us in the middle, like Larry and metmike.
gibbersish. the far left progressives have a goal to ruin this country. Undeniable. You want to argue the middle, fine but the middle is what mainly turned this election and men lead the way. They have had enough of the left, the boarder the economy, men pretending to be women etc etc ecy etc. You want to "get long with the like of the crazys like Schiff and Schummer, the squad be my guest. There is no "getting along" with crazy people. Now give me someone like Harold Ford and maybe there is a chance of dialogue but he even defends many far left ruinous policies for America.
By the way since the election England will be buying energy from the US not Russia. The ME crazy people have made moves toward peace. The stock market approved. The fed probably made another mistake. Zelinsky sees the hand writing on the wall. The Mexicans have actually hinted the boarder is a problem. the cartels are a problem. The drugs are a problem. Just think for 4 years it was a party for most every crook and convict in the world.
Wonder which of any of these things would of, could of, ever happened if this election had gone the way most every lib in our country had already counted it.
"gibbersish"
Thanks very much, mcfarm!
Exactly what I've been insisting.!
TO YOU, MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION (AGAIN) MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE!
Re: Re: Re: Trump is Toast-2020 election case
By metmike - Nov. 10, 2024, 1:23 p.m.
Like 10s of millions of others. You've chosen only to speak and understand MAGA dialect.
Anything that contradicts the tenets of the MAGA religion is by definition of the cult, false...........or gibberish!
The Cult
Started by joj - July 19, 2024, 8:43 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106042/
By metmike - July 21, 2024, 12:37 p.m.
