At least 10 people are believed to be dead from the fires.
Ensuring the immediate safety of the residents is the priority, experts say.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-wildfires-impossible/story?id=117506137
Very often, when the West Coast has an upper level ridge in place(favorable for fires), downstream, the Midwest will have stormy and cold weather from an upper level trough based on teleconnections/spacing between large scale features(ridge-west/trough-east/Midwest couplet).
1. 850 mb map
2. 700 mb map
3. 500 mb map
4. 250 mb map
Jeff Haby
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Those were upper level maps on the previous page which controls the large scale pattern that manifests itself at the surface with Santa Anna winds. We see them dozens of times each year but these particular Santa Ana Winds were incredibly strong and, unfortunately Los Angeles was not prepared to manage this particular event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_winds
The Santa Ana winds, occasionally referred to as the devil winds,[1][2] are strong, extremely dry katabatic winds that originate inland and affect coastal Southern California and northern Baja California. They originate from cool, dry high-pressure air masses in the Great Basin.
Santa Ana winds are known for the hot, dry weather that they bring in autumn (often the hottest of the year), but they can also arise at other times of the year.[3] They often bring the lowest relative humidities of the year to coastal Southern California, and "beautifully clear skies".[4] These low humidities, combined with the warm, compressionally-heated air mass, plus high wind speeds, create critical fire weather conditions, and fan destructive wildfires.[4]
Typically, about 10 to 25 Santa Ana wind events occur annually.[5] A Santa Ana wind can blow from one to seven days, with an average wind event lasting three days.[6] The longest recorded Santa Ana event was a 14-day wind in November 1957.[5] Damage from high winds is most common along the Santa Ana River basin in Orange County, the Santa Clara River basin in Ventura and Los Angeles County, through Newhall Pass into the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles County, and through the Cajon Pass into San Bernardino County near San Bernardino, Fontana, and Chino.[6]
The Santa Anas are katabatic winds (Greek for "flowing downhill") arising in higher altitudes and blowing down towards sea level.[7] The National Weather Service defines Santa Ana winds as "a weather condition [in southern California] in which strong, hot, dust-bearing winds descend to the Pacific Coast around Los Angeles from inland desert regions".[8]
https://www.bbc.com/weather/articles/cg7r7rrex8no
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The extreme pressure gradient between LOW pressure at the surface in the Southwest(which was part of the storm that just hit/is hitting the Midwest/South)and strong Arctic High Pressure farther north is what caused the extremely high winds. In some places blowing at hurricane force, 75+ mph.
can you imagine being a firefighter working in that environment?
The winds by themselves are extremely challenging.
Those intense winds were loaded with hot embers and suffocating smoke/particulate matter.
I found a map from Wednesday morning that helps to depict this.
It's 850 mb, which is a key layer above the surface by less than a mile.
The winds are in knots, so the blue 45+ knot constant wind isotach is over 50 mph constant wind. Winds normally are higher as we go up in the atmosphere but in this case the pressure gradient was so powerful at the surface that it created unusually strong winds just above the ground from the east.
This happens all the time in Southern California. However, there were some unusual factors this time, including lack of being prepared. Not sure what caused the blazes this time but very sadly, many of them are from arsonists and careless humans. In addition, LA did not have the water supplies or proper plans in place to manage something that really is very manageable if you have smart people using good planning and judgement.
Hats off to the firefighters that were working 16 hour shifts, risking their lives in extreme conditions to save lives! That's what they do!!
“This will be the costliest wildfire in California modern history and also very likely the costliest wildfire in U.S. modern history, because of the fires occurring in the densely populated areas around Los Angeles with some of the highest-valued real estate in the country,” said Jonathan Porter, the private firm’s chief meteorologist.
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Very sad to see these people lose everything.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-fire-maps-palisades-eaton-hurst-2025/
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Fortunately, so far only 11 lives are reported lost. 11 is too many when 0 could have been possible.
Don't take this wrong about empathy for those in CA suffering horrible losses. We should very much have compassion for them. Help them. Learn things THIS TIME to prevent tragedies like this from happening again.
However, for perspective, on the other side of the world, because of our support, there are 2 million people in Gaza that have lost everything too. They were not rich, so the monetary value of their losses is a minuscule fraction of those in California.
In Gaza, there have been almost that many innocent people, mostly children and women killed or injured every hour or every day on average for the past 463 days of the genocide in Gaza.
In Ukraine, there have been that many causalities every 20 minutes of every day, on average for the 1,052 days of the Ukrainian war featuring soldiers from both sides being forced on suicide missions to serve the self serving interests of the US military-industrial-political-media complex.
Each one of those people had numerous family members, greatly suffering their losses just like you and I would mourn the loss of our loved ones.
It's good for us to see the realities in California to understand with clarity what's going on in our own great country. It incentivizes us to help them and to do better.
At the same time, our politicians and powerful gatekeepers are INTENTIONALLY doing this on a much more horrific scale to poor, innocent and powerless people in Ukraine and Gaza and spinning it into a fairy tale propaganda bonanza where no lie is too big. Manufacturing a lie that the US is being the good guy, when we are the most diabolical country on the planet when it comes to meddling in other countries for our self serving interests.
Genocide in Gaza
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108676/
Biden/Zelensky WW-3
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108760/
Every human being on this planet has tremendous value. We should be striving to lift up the poor and less fortunate, because we were born into wealth and prosperity by the luck of living in this great country......just like Jimmy Carter did.
Not abusing them to make the most powerful people in the US, even more powerful and rich.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/la-fires-cause-arson-power-20025016.php
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Can we depend on them to tell us the truth? Probably, especially if it isn't the result that implicates an inconvenient truth that information gatekeepers want covered up.
They concocted an absurd lie about the origin of the Covid virus that never made any sense.......then pushed it for years to cover up the truth........that it came from a lab leak in Wuhan. The no brainer reason.
By Hector RETAMAL 6 April 2020, 5:29 am
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metmike: Was it from power lines?
Arson?
What are the chances for numerous fires to start in the same time frame in different places? Very tiny unless the same thing caused them all, which suggests arson.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-wildfires-mapped-palisades-eaton-163539875.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
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This was my comment:
Climate change is warming the highest latitudes the most and tropics the least. Decreasing the meridional (north to south) temperature contrast which decreases the pressure gradient and wind.
A big reason for these extreme winds in California is the pressure gradient between the intense Arctic Highs with bitter cold dropping down from Canada into the middle of the country and low pressure in the Southwest......the complete opposite of global warming!
How many of these incidents did we have last Winter that was record warm in the Midwest???
None because of the warmth and lack of massive Arctic highs with bitter cold. And it rained alot the last 2 Winters in Southern California.
We have a natural La Nina in place. La Nina's are COLD water in the tropical Pacific. Global warming can't cause cold water in the tropical Pacific. La Nina's suppress rains in Southern California during the Winter. El Ninos are the complete opposite. WARM water in the tropical Pacific increases rain in South California, like the El Nino last Winter did.
More warmth in the tropical Pacific Ocean = more rain in Southern California in the Winter. In fact, many climate models INCREASE rains in California for just that reason.
As usual, every time there is a natural disaster where the weather played a role, we can expect the same people that don't understand the basics of meteorology 101 to embarrass themselves with the climate crisis blame game.
They've decided that everything bad is being caused by the climate crisis and nothing good.
According to their anti science world, we're killing the planet.......despite it greening up from the only true "green" energy......... fossil fuels.
The indisputable, scientific law of photosynthesis uses CO2 to grow plants faster and food for the creatures on earth, with its booming biosphere. Food production by humans is +26% just from the added, natural atmospheric fertilizer, CO2.
The optimal level of CO2 is just over double this. In fact, fossil fuel emissions rescued the planet from near CO2 starvation. Burning them returned the CO2 that was once there back to the atmosphere.
The climate CRISIS is almost all politics, junk science and complete nonsense!
This is irrefutably a SCIENTIFIC climate optimum.
Most life on this planet would like it to get a bit warmer yet and would greatly appreciate doubling the level of this beneficial gas.
The current pattern that is featuring EXTREME COLD will be favorable for more high wind events in Southern California the next 10 days!
Note below, from the Canadian Ensemble model, the very steep pressure gradient on the backside of the massive Arctic highs, in Southern California on these dates. The pressure is this high because dense, frigid air weighs so much. This is the complete opposite of last Winter and the complete opposite of warming in the mid latitudes.
This current pattern is featuring cross polar flow and suppression of moist winds from the Pacific because the atmosphere is in a NATURAL La Nina phase right now in tandem with the COLD temperature anomalies in the tropical Pacific ocean. This is part of the natural variability in the weather.
https://weather.gc.ca/ensemble/charts_e.html?Hour=0&Day=0&RunTime=00&Type=pnm
Wednesday, January 15, 2025
Thursday, January 16, 2025
Monday January 20, 2025
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Tuesday, January 21, 2025
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Wednesday, January 22, 2025
Thursday, January 23, 2025
Friday, January 24, 2025
This WEATHER pattern is the result of NATURAL variability.
Wednesday morning, 1-15-25. Arctic high pressure and frigid weather dominating much of the country with strong winds on the backside in the Southwest.
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Here is the next huge Arctic High dropping down from Canada(originating in Siberia) over the weekend, into early next week from the NWS. Note the very tightly packed isobars(lines/contours of constant pressure) on some days in Southern California. This is a Natural COLD weather pattern NOT caused by global warming or climate change.
As such, the prevailing principle that determines records like this is stated below with the "Golden Rule" because THE WEATHER played such a critical role.
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It really boils down to this, once again(Cliff Mass can be counted on as an elite source for using objective, authentic science)
https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-golden-rule-of-climate-extremes.html
The GoldenRule
Considering the substantial confusion in the media about this critical issue, let me provide the GOLDENRULE OF CLIMATE EXTREMES. Here it is:
The more extreme a climate or weather record is, the greater the contribution of natural variability.
Or to put it a different way, the larger or more unusual an extreme, the higher proportion of the extreme is due to natural variability.
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How to reduce the incidence of this type of weather pattern?
Have more global warming!
This is what the jet stream at 300 mb (just below 30,000 feet and close to where most commercial airline planes fly) will look like to start next week. This is not the result of global warming or climate change. It's natural variability in the weather.
This weather pattern is manifested below/at the surface level with high winds that are feeding and fanning the fires in Southern California.
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Exactly!
I listened to NPR the last week go on and on about how climate change caused this and we need to act now or it will just keep getting worse as we destroy the planet from the current climate crisis.
They keep spewing this anti science, anti meteorology/climate, false narrative disinformation and repeating it over and over in collusion with other science ignorant MSM sources and after a while, everybody thinks it must be the truth.
Thomas Sowell Interview , "Social Justice Fallacies"
Started by cutworm - Dec. 18, 2023, 6:19 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/101353/
Listening to NPR on the way to chess, before 3pm they had a so called expert telling millions of listeners that the reason for the high winds in California was the warmer atmosphere that provides more energy to weather systems, causing them to be turbo charged and resulting in more extreme weather like we have just witnessed.
HOLY COW! The 100% complete opposite is the truth.
The main energy for mid latitude weather systems is the meridional temperature gradient……contrast in temperature from north to south.
one of the most defining characteristics of global warming is that its greatly magnified at higher latitdes.
so the coldest places are warming the most, especially during the coldest times of year. The warmest places are warming the least.
This is indisputably REDUCING the temperature contrast/gradient that provides energy for mid latitude cyclones, wind and severe weather outbreaks.
its meteorology 101 and physics 101. These high wind events in California are being caused by bitter cold high pressure in the center of the country which is causing a huge temperature and pressure gradient on the backside in Southern California. This is an ANTI global warming type natural variation dynamic.
Its the complete diametrically opposed polar opposite of what global warming causes.
The more global warming we have, the less frequent high wind events like this will be.
As an atmospheric scientist and operational meteorologist for over 4 decades, people here will get the authentic science.
But there’s over 1000 times more people that listened to NPRs junk, anti science the last week about the reasons for this fire. presented by convincing sounding communicators that are causing people to become scientifically dumber every time they listen.
Oh well, at least market forum provides me with a voice to provide climate truths to those that want to learn something, instead of following the forked tongue, agenda driven media sources that broadcast based on their political affiliation and ratings instead of enlightening followers with authentic truths.
By tjc - Jan. 16, 2025, 5:47 p.m.
California politians massaged the budgets for many years to fullfil their stupid 'green', tree hugging, animal/fish loving agendas only to expose their constituents to horrible loss. Absolutely no vegetation control or forward thinking, like say Finland.
It would not be proper, but not a dime for them UNTIL Hawaii AND North Carolina are restored!
AND there should be restrictions on the money, say $2000 for every illegal who California assists ICE in permanently removing from USA
belongs in California fires
I need to add the fact that I'm a practicing, PRACTICAL environmentalist.
Conserving natural resources, not polluting, not littering, feeding wildlife during adversely cold and snow/ice covered conditions(extreme cold is the main threat, not beneficial warmth and beneficial CO2).........things that make sense which directly impact the environment, biosphere and creatures on the planet in a positive way.
Not hurting those creatures and the planet for selfish reasons. Not supporting really dumb, damaging human endeavors based on political agenda, masking as fake environmentalism. .........like wind energy.
Another MAJOR Santa Ana Wind event this week from the massive Arctic high pressure system. This should be the last one for awhile.
https://weather.gc.ca/ensemble/charts_e.html?Hour=0&Day=0&RunTime=12&Type=pnm
048h sea level pressure forecast valid on Jan 21, 2025 12UTC
NWS Forecast Office Los Angeles, CA
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NWS Forecast Office San Diego, CA
As we predicted early in the week. The LA area is going thru another NATURAL weather, Santa Ana wind event.
https://www.newsweek.com/hughes-fire-california-wildfires-video-2019252
Relief is on the way!!!
1. The Arctic blasts with extremely high pressure causing the steep pressure gradient and wind will stop.
2. Rain is coming this weekend. Yippee!
7 Day Total precipitation below:
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.govcdx /qpf/p168i.gif?1530796126
Tonight
Areas of smoke. Mostly clear, with a low around 54. Windy, with a northeast wind around 35 mph, with gusts as high as 50 mph.
Thursday
Sunny, with a high near 74. Windy, with a northeast wind 30 to 35 mph decreasing to 25 to 30 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 50 mph.
Thursday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 42. North northeast wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.
Friday
Mostly sunny, with a high near 69. North northeast wind around 5 mph becoming southwest in the afternoon.
Friday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around 43. Calm wind.
Saturday
A 30 percent chance of rain after 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 58.
Saturday Night
Rain likely. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 40. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
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NWS Forecast Office San Diego, CA
Tonight
Mostly clear, with a low around 46. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.
Thursday
Patchy blowing dust after 10am. Sunny, with a high near 75. Windy, with an east wind 15 to 25 mph increasing to 25 to 35 mph in the morning. Winds could gust as high as 55 mph.
Thursday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around 42. East wind 5 to 10 mph.
Friday
Sunny, with a high near 73. Light and variable wind becoming west 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.
Friday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around 41. Southeast wind around 5 mph.
Saturday
Showers likely, mainly after 4pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 63. Chance of precipitation is 60%.
Saturday Night
Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. Low around 43. Chance of precipitation is 80%.
Sunday
Showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 56.
Sunday Night
Showers likely, mainly before 10pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 37
https://abc7.com/live-updates/strong-winds-return-southern-california-crews-high-alert/15820447/
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The climate change caused drought, in combination with the climate change winds resulted in the climate change caused fires. Now the climate change rains, on top of the climate change burn zones will cause climate change mudslides
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We’re Living in a Dystopian Climate Thriller. It's Time to Rewrite the Ending
Decades of warnings went ignored about the threats from climate change. With homes everywhere now burning, flooding and washing away, it’s time we start listening to scientists’ climate solutions
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After subscribing to Scientific America for 2 decades, I cancelled since the internet offers 1 million times the information for free and this publication, has been taken over by extreme, climate crisis, junk science, political alarmists that trump 2 sided authentic climate science using the scientific method.
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The definitive American public opinion surveys on climate change and the environment
https://www.rff.org/publications/reports/climate-insights-2024-partisan-views/
BTW, both the Rs and the Ds are wrong above. In the first question, anybody that isn't extremely sure the temperature has been going up the past 100 years is delusional or ignorant about climate science.
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Below, pertains to actual scientists. Most people have no clue that they are vast majority democrats and I can tell you with 100% certainty that many of them vote and their scientific views line up, in a biased fashion with their political party because they are all human beings with cognitive bias. The scientific method will always trump cognitive/ confirmation bias but many to most scientists don't actually apply the scientific method in its purest form. They let their biased political affiliation lead them on some issues, especially climate change.
Section 4: Scientists, Politics and Religion
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/
My assessment above, is more than just an opinion. I've been part of the scientific community for well over 4 decades. I know many scientists, have read 10s of thousands of scientific papers, subscribed to Scientific American for over 2 decades. Was a member of the American Meteorological Society for half my life. Getting the seal of approval for broadcast television from the AMS and also from the American Weather Association.
In general, the field of science is massively dominated by scientists that affiliate with the D party and express their political bias in their scientific work/views. Indisputable, authentic fact!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rains-arrive-fire-devastated-california-152152095.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
The forecast raises the concern of too much of a good thing. Some areas could get more than a half-inch of rain an hour later Sunday, the National Weather Service said. Showers could linger into Tuesday.
A flood watch was in place for burn scars where the Palisades, Franklin, Eaton, Bridge and Hughes fires have burned, the weather service said Sunday.
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I remember the good old weather days.
Rains were always perfect, never too heavy. It only snowed on ski resorts and in places that wanted snow. Very few heat waves or frigid weather outbreaks.
Mostly sunshine, with a break, at just the right times for an inch of gentle falling rains, exactly enough to satisfy the needs for things growing in the ground. Especially crops. Never any droughts and yields were always a record.
This is what the media would have you believe, knowing that people don't have weather records at their finger tips and events from decades ago are fading in our minds. The people that experienced even MORE extreme weather numerous decades ago............ARE MOSTLY DEAD.
For sure we are around 2 deg. F warmer and the atmosphere can hold around 7% more moisture so that many heavy rain events are heavier. Not by 700%, 70% or even 10%.
More like 7%.
Some heat waves and hurricanes a bit worse.
However, the other 98% of what the creatures on this planet consider the most import for survival, that are impacted by increasing CO2 are massively beneficial.
Cold STILL kills 200 times more life than heat on this planet.
The optimal level of CO2 for most life is ~900 parts per million. We are still below 430 ppm.
This is a climate optimum for almost all life on earth and its not even close. This sounds like something Trump would say but I base my statements on indisputably proven authentic science which includes the LAW of photosynthesis.
Death by GREENING!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69258/
