No matter how many times you post it.
If Israel's intention was to commit genocide there would be a million dead Palestinians.
But if they are guilty of genocide by some warped definition of the corrupt UN then there are a dozen other genocides going on. Starting with over 200,000 dead in Yemen.
Now go ahead and post another 50 posts condemning Israel and scarcely a word about the evils of Hamas. They represent the Palestinians. (Duly elected) They started this war.
It may be a semantics kind of thing and I’ve been posting that I feel Netanyahu and his cohorts in crime have gone way too far, but I agree that I don’t think it’s technically “genocide”. Bad? Yes. Genocide, I have a lot of doubt.
And the UN has generally had an anti Israel bias over the years. But Netanyahu committing many war crimes? Absolutely! He needs to go. But of course he’s been motivated to be this aggressive because he wants to stay in power to avoid having to deal with his being corrupt.
Congrats on your prediction that Israel would over-react to 10/7/23 and boy have they. I’m sorry you were right.
Likely not genocide. But is it ethnic cleansing?
I think ethnic cleansing is accurate, except I don't think Israel wants to populate Gaza with Israelis. Usually ethnic cleansing, which Israel did in the 1948 war of independence, results in settling the area in question.
Thanks joj and Larry!
I'm glad that we have agreement on this not being genocide between my 2 good friends that just happen to be Jewish!
No need to make another 50 posts to prove something already proven 50+ times and what most of the world agrees on.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108676/
You can call it what you want or NOT call it what it is.........it's still the same exact thing happening.
I can call snow, "white stuff" or "the frozen crystalline state of water" or "frozen precipitation" but all those things are still the same........SNOW.
By every objective, authentic definition that I know of and have shown here, this is clearly a genocide.
joj,
Are genocides for you, only when Half the people are dead, as you mentioned?
Much of the country has already been destroyed, so that most of the people left, no longer have homes. The hospitals and schools have been destroyed. They are severely deprived of water, food and medical care. They have no electricity to power anything, including heat in the Winter or AC in the Summer. They don't have fuel or vehicles and must walk everywhere. They have no jobs. The children can't be educated.
People are not just dying from bombs. They are starving to death and all sorts of infectious diseases are spreading, especially because they are being surrounded by human waste.........urine, feces and trash. 10s of thousands of bodies are still buried under the ruble.
I will add a couple of new points below.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-underreported-study-intl/index.html
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https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2186
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Israeli destruction of waste management facilities leaves displaced Palestinians exposed to widespread pollution and disease
I am extremely fascinated with human psychology.
Why do people think the way they do? Believe in things that are have been proven wrong X 1 million. Or won’t believe in things proven authentic and right by every definition X 1 million.
Why do so many people think that Trump won in 2020?
That Trump did not cause the insurrection?
That COVID vaccinations cause more harm than COVID?
That a beneficial gas, which was dangerously low for survival of life on this planet, that has been boosted to 50% of the optimal level for most life and is massively greening up the planet….is carbon pollution that is killing the planet? Even when carbon (C)is a solid and a completely different substance than the gas, CO2 which just happens to have an atom of carbon iin it…..similar to how H2O is not hydrogen pollution because it has an atom of H in it.
Scientific proof of that:
Re: Re: Re: Ain’t that America (apologies to John Mellencamp)
By metmike - July 2, 2024, 8:11 a.m.
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And we are supporting Ukraine........by getting their country decimated, army gone from casualties, stealing their democracy and giving them the diametrically opposed, polar opposite of what they have been pleading for, peace with Russia and NOT NATO. They want Zelensky out but he banned elections. People are actually convinced that this is supporting Ukraine!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108760/#109588
And that the genocide in Gaza is not really a genocide …according to people that support what Israel is doing.
In this case, like the authentic science defining what CO2 is chemically and biologically, the belief is based on what people WANT TO believe because of what they have been taught, what has been repeated and especially what personal affiliations they have to particular groups that indoctrinate a belief system into them similar to religion.but not based on authentic science or authentic facts/definitions.
joj,
I guess I will be making more posts on this after all but this time, to discuss why people believe things that are indisputably false or won't believe in things indisputably true. Here is the reason in the case of the genocide in Gaza.
In almost every case, when you present the authentic facts to people that contradict what they believe........its like a foreign language because, by their brains definition and assumptions from the get go........it can't be. Facts that contradict their minds assumptions are completely rejected every time. This is why this post will make no sense to people who won't accept the genocide in Gaza.
If you were raised as a Christian and still believe, your interpretations of many things is different than those of Muslims and even Jews that share the beliefs from the Old testament.
Religion, of course is a FAITH in things that can't be scientifically proven. I'm not knocking my own faith or anybody else's. Just stating that peoples mindsets are programmed in MANY other realms in this world, when they are raised to believe something or led to believe in it as adults, like the climate crisis which is supposedly destroying the planet(and they can't wrap their heads around the fact that the planet is greening up from a beneficial gas that's increasing and the vast majority of life would prefer conditions to warm up a bit more).
On the topic of genocide. From the time that I was a young child, the Holocaust and genocide have always stood out and I associated them with the persecution of Jewish people.
We were taught in Catholic School for 12 years that today's Jews are the descendants of the Israelite's who were God's chosen people. What Hitler did to the Jews in WW2 with his genocide was the worst atrocity in the history of mankind(this is still true) I can still vividly see all the horrific images in my head of the walking skeletons in the concentration camps and recall countless stories of how Hitler treated, then killed 6 million Jews.
I have always associated this with the persecution of the Jews and hatred of the Jews that is beyond what makes sense based on anything they ever did wrong. I grew up being an Israel/Jewish respecting and loving person because of my faith and the solid facts that proved persecution of Jews beyond a shadow of doubt.
I also assumed that the Jews were always, as in ALWAYS the ones being persecuted and NEVER the ones doing anything wrong. The chosen people of God, one of which was God's son were always the targets and just trying to survive and practice their faith.
This was totally indoctrinated in me permanently(almost permanently). With the assumptions that came with that, it was basically 100% impossible to believe that these people, being persecuted constantly for many thousands of years could actually be the persecutors.
In 100% of the conflicts in the Middle East, I assigned 100.000% of the blame on the Muslims or entities that were NOT Jewish who were, once again persecuting the Jews because that's just what mankind does........persecute Jews.
I'm not exaggerating. That's how my mind interpretated EVERY situation, no matter the facts.
If I still had that mindset in 2025, I would feel completely different about what's happening in Gaza. I would line up with joj and Larry. I would line up with Israel and many Christians in the US who were indoctrinated with a belief system growing up similar to mine. I would agree with Fox News, that parrots belief systems to generate block buster ratings.
But something happened in recent years, partly as a result of being a scientist that uses the objective scientific method to gather the objective facts from all sides FIRST. Then using them for AUTHENTIC discernment.
This means breaking free from indoctrination, preconceived notions, confirmation bias and other situations that massively taint how we interpret the world.
I totally get where joj and Larry are coming from in believing that this is NOT genocide. For 6 decades of my life, I assumed by definition of my belief system that it was impossible for Jewish people/Israel to commit genocide.
For me and millions of Jewish loving people, this would like believing the sun revolved around the earth or that the earth was flat. By definition in our minds, when Jews are involved and there's genocide, Jews are ALWAYSs the targets and victims, NEVER the perpetrators.
Netanyahu is the king of charlatans being able to twist every circumstance, when people disagree with him, especially in Gaza, that it's because of antisemitism and Israel being persecuted again. And people actually buy into that.
Again, this will be like speaking in a foreign language to people that think this is not genocide. We have evidence here that I show indisputably, using the authentic facts of what is happening in Gaza. Who the victims are, what is happening to them and who is using crystal clear genocide to cause it. It's like.......numerous times greater than the threshold for many to most people's objective definition of what genocide is.
If this isn't genocide, then that term loses most of its value to describe atrocities like this.
If you adjust the threshold to something almost impossible to meet because you won't accept that Israel is committing genocide, then the term loses most of its authentic meaning.
joj demonstrates that by claiming Russia must be using genocide in Ukraine if Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, unable to see the difference.
The stark contrast between the 2 situations clearly separates the 2. However, 1 of the countries is Israel, which is viewed as BEING JUSTIFIED in doing this, regardless of everything else..........so it can't be a genocide.
Again, if the word genocide had never existed, it wouldn't change anything about what Israel is doing in Gaza compared to the world where the term genocide does exist.
The connotation of the word GENOCIDE is that its a horrific crime. Insisting that this is NOT genocide is trying to justify this are Israel defending itself which is galactically delusional thinking that ignores the authentic facts.
They've gone 1,000 times beyond any legitamate interpretation of what DEFENDING is.
This is based almost entirely on the most intense form of hatred the world knows, along with revenge and the overwhelming military advantage/power with 0 restraints on the person driven by those emotions to seek what he thinks is justice in his warped, diabolical mind.
President Netanyahu.
Hey Mike,
Despite my feeling that calling this “genocide” is at least questionable, I’ve been largely in agreement with you per my good number of posts about Bibi and company going way too far with way too much aggression causing numerous deaths of innocent, especially women and children, as well as massive infrastructure destruction and massive amounts of starvation. Though I’ve never labeled this as “genocide”, I haven’t wavered on this. Do you disagree that I’ve been largely in agreement with you on this?