No matter how many times you post it.
If Israel's intention was to commit genocide there would be a million dead Palestinians.
But if they are guilty of genocide by some warped definition of the corrupt UN then there are a dozen other genocides going on. Starting with over 200,000 dead in Yemen.
Now go ahead and post another 50 posts condemning Israel and scarcely a word about the evils of Hamas. They represent the Palestinians. (Duly elected) They started this war.
It may be a semantics kind of thing and I’ve been posting that I feel Netanyahu and his cohorts in crime have gone way too far, but I agree that I don’t think it’s technically “genocide”. Bad? Yes. Genocide, I have a lot of doubt.
And the UN has generally had an anti Israel bias over the years. But Netanyahu committing many war crimes? Absolutely! He needs to go. But of course he’s been motivated to be this aggressive because he wants to stay in power to avoid having to deal with his being corrupt.
Congrats on your prediction that Israel would over-react to 10/7/23 and boy have they. I’m sorry you were right.
Likely not genocide. But is it ethnic cleansing?
I think ethnic cleansing is accurate, except I don't think Israel wants to populate Gaza with Israelis. Usually ethnic cleansing, which Israel did in the 1948 war of independence, results in settling the area in question.
Thanks joj and Larry!
I'm glad that we have agreement on this not being genocide between my 2 good friends that just happen to be Jewish!
No need to make another 50 posts to prove something already proven 50+ times and what most of the world agrees on.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108676/
You can call it what you want or NOT call it what it is.........it's still the same exact thing happening.
I can call snow, "white stuff" or "the frozen crystalline state of water" or "frozen precipitation" but all those things are still the same........SNOW.
By every objective, authentic definition that I know of and have shown here, this is clearly a genocide.
joj,
Are genocides for you, only when Half the people are dead, as you mentioned?
Much of the country has already been destroyed, so that most of the people left, no longer have homes. The hospitals and schools have been destroyed. They are severely deprived of water, food and medical care. They have no electricity to power anything, including heat in the Winter or AC in the Summer. They don't have fuel or vehicles and must walk everywhere. They have no jobs. The children can't be educated.
People are not just dying from bombs. They are starving to death and all sorts of infectious diseases are spreading, especially because they are being surrounded by human waste.........urine, feces and trash. 10s of thousands of bodies are still buried under the ruble.
I will add a couple of new points below.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-underreported-study-intl/index.html
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https://www.bmj.com/content/387/bmj.q2186
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Israeli destruction of waste management facilities leaves displaced Palestinians exposed to widespread pollution and disease
I am extremely fascinated with human psychology.
Why do people think the way they do? Believe in things that are have been proven wrong X 1 million. Or won’t believe in things proven authentic and right by every definition X 1 million.
Why do so many people think that Trump won in 2020?
That Trump did not cause the insurrection?
That COVID vaccinations cause more harm than COVID?
That a beneficial gas, which was dangerously low for survival of life on this planet, that has been boosted to 50% of the optimal level for most life and is massively greening up the planet….is carbon pollution that is killing the planet? Even when carbon (C)is a solid and a completely different substance than the gas, CO2 which just happens to have an atom of carbon iin it…..similar to how H2O is not hydrogen pollution because it has an atom of H in it.
Scientific proof of that:
Re: Re: Re: Ain’t that America (apologies to John Mellencamp)
By metmike - July 2, 2024, 8:11 a.m.
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And we are supporting Ukraine........by getting their country decimated, army gone from casualties, stealing their democracy and giving them the diametrically opposed, polar opposite of what they have been pleading for, peace with Russia and NOT NATO. They want Zelensky out but he banned elections. People are actually convinced that this is supporting Ukraine!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108760/#109588
And that the genocide in Gaza is not really a genocide …according to people that support what Israel is doing.
In this case, like the authentic science defining what CO2 is chemically and biologically, the belief is based on what people WANT TO believe because of what they have been taught, what has been repeated and especially what personal affiliations they have to particular groups that indoctrinate a belief system into them similar to religion.but not based on authentic science or authentic facts/definitions.
joj,
I guess I will be making more posts on this after all but this time, to discuss why people believe things that are indisputably false or won't believe in things indisputably true. Here is the reason in the case of the genocide in Gaza.
In almost every case, when you present the authentic facts to people that contradict what they believe........its like a foreign language because, by their brains definition and assumptions from the get go........it can't be. Facts that contradict their minds assumptions are completely rejected every time. This is why this post will make no sense to people who won't accept the genocide in Gaza.
If you were raised as a Christian and still believe, your interpretations of many things is different than those of Muslims and even Jews that share the beliefs from the Old testament.
Religion, of course is a FAITH in things that can't be scientifically proven. I'm not knocking my own faith or anybody else's. Just stating that peoples mindsets are programmed in MANY other realms in this world, when they are raised to believe something or led to believe in it as adults, like the climate crisis which is supposedly destroying the planet(and they can't wrap their heads around the fact that the planet is greening up from a beneficial gas that's increasing and the vast majority of life would prefer conditions to warm up a bit more).
On the topic of genocide. From the time that I was a young child, the Holocaust and genocide have always stood out and I associated them with the persecution of Jewish people.
We were taught in Catholic School for 12 years that today's Jews are the descendants of the Israelite's who were God's chosen people. What Hitler did to the Jews in WW2 with his genocide was the worst atrocity in the history of mankind(this is still true) I can still vividly see all the horrific images in my head of the walking skeletons in the concentration camps and recall countless stories of how Hitler MIStreated and killed 6 million Jews.
I have always associated this with the persecution of the Jews and hatred of the Jews that is beyond what makes sense based on anything they ever did wrong. I grew up being an Israel/Jewish respecting and loving person because of my faith and the solid facts that proved persecution of Jews beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I also assumed that the Jews were always, as in ALWAYS the ones being persecuted and NEVER the ones doing anything wrong. The chosen people of God, one of which was God's son were always the targets and just trying to survive and practice their faith.
This was totally indoctrinated in me permanently(almost permanently). With the assumptions that came with that, it was basically 100% impossible to believe that these people, being persecuted constantly for many thousands of years could actually be the persecutors.
In 100% of the conflicts in the Middle East, I assigned 100.000% of the blame on the Muslims or entities that were NOT Jewish who were, once again persecuting the Jews because that's just what mankind does........persecute Jews.
I'm not exaggerating. That's how my mind interpreted EVERY situation, no matter the facts.
If I still had that mindset in 2025, I would feel completely different about what's happening in Gaza. I would line up with joj and Larry. I would line up with Israel and many Christians in the US who were indoctrinated with a belief system growing up similar to mine. I would agree with Fox News, that parrots belief systems to generate block buster ratings.
But something happened in recent years, partly as a result of being a scientist that uses the objective scientific method to gather the objective facts from all sides FIRST. Then using them for AUTHENTIC discernment.
This means breaking free from indoctrination, preconceived notions, confirmation bias and other situations that massively taint how we interpret the world.
I totally get where joj and Larry are coming from in believing that this is NOT genocide. For 6 decades of my life, I assumed by definition of my belief system that it was impossible for Jewish people/Israel to commit genocide.
For me and millions of Jewish loving people, this would like believing the sun revolved around the earth or that the earth was flat. By definition in our minds, when Jews are involved and there's genocide, Jews are ALWAYS the targets and victims, NEVER the perpetrators.
Netanyahu is the king of charlatans being able to twist every circumstance, when people disagree with him, especially in Gaza, that it's because of antisemitism and Israel being persecuted again. And people actually buy into that.
Again, this will be like speaking in a foreign language to people that think this is not genocide. We have evidence here that I show indisputably, using the authentic facts of what is happening in Gaza. Who the victims are, what is happening to them and who is using crystal clear genocide to cause it. It's like.......numerous times greater than the threshold for many to most people's objective definition of what genocide is.
If this isn't genocide, then that term loses most of its value to describe atrocities like this.
If you adjust the threshold to something almost impossible to meet because you won't accept that Israel is committing genocide, then the term loses most of its authentic meaning.
joj demonstrates that by claiming Russia must be using genocide in Ukraine if Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, unable to see the difference.
The stark contrast between the 2 situations clearly separates the 2. However, 1 of the countries is Israel, which is viewed as BEING JUSTIFIED in doing this, regardless of everything else..........so it can't be a genocide.
Again, if the word genocide had never existed, it wouldn't change anything about what Israel is doing in Gaza compared to the world where the term genocide does exist.
The connotation of the word GENOCIDE is that its a horrific crime. Insisting that this is NOT genocide is trying to justify this as Israel defending itself which is galactically delusional thinking that ignores the authentic facts.
They've gone 1,000 times beyond any legitimate interpretation of what DEFENDING is.
What is happening in Gaza is based almost entirely on the most intense form of hatred the world knows, along with revenge and the overwhelming military advantage/power with 0 restraints on the person driven by those emotions to seek what he thinks is justice in his warped, diabolical mind.
PRIME MINISTER Netanyahu.
Hey Mike,
Despite my feeling that calling this “genocide” is at least questionable, I’ve been largely in agreement with you per my good number of posts about Bibi and company going way too far with way too much aggression causing numerous deaths of innocent, especially women and children, as well as massive infrastructure destruction and massive amounts of starvation. Though I’ve never labeled this as “genocide”, I haven’t wavered on this. Do you disagree that I’ve been largely in agreement with you on this?
honest question
Is war genocide?
I do strongly agree with this, Larry and good for you!
I apologize for generalizing your position in a way that suggested the opposite of that. I admit to doing that totally unintentionally in the previous posts and sincerely apologize. What you just stated is completely accurate.
Bernie Sanders is another Jewish man(who is light years away from me on climate change but I have more respect for him as a politician than almost anybody-his views on universal health care are exactly mine too, however) that is able to separate himself from nationality/religious bias (though he is a far left guy).
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joj and me are likely never going to agree on this. And that's fine. I respectfully welcome all of his posts, especially those that disagree with me.
On THIS particular issue, I'm not about winning a debate on who is right and who is wrong because if joj had never been born, I would still be speaking out and posting the exact same stuff to expose Netanyahu and his genocide in Israel.
It's actually good to have joj giving ALL his opinions here. For instance, this thread he started caused me to spend some time thinking even more about his position(which is the same one that I had until recently). Not to prove him wrong but to try to understand his thinking BETTER, then communicate my thoughts. I honestly learned something more about human psychology, that strongly impacted my thinking for 6 decades and was just passing that on.......thanks to joj.
He's not a predator troll like vandy that came to rattle the chains of people (mcfarm) that he hated to get his jollies. joj is posting on this, mostly to express a sincere position.
There is no question that joj is a wonderful, intelligent person that strives to make the world a better place much of the time and somebody that I would like to have for a lifelong friend.
Wouldn't it be a crying shame that because of our difference on this topic(or Ukraine), that our friendship was destroyed?
There are others too.
cutworm is another great example of a person who has the opposite political views of joj and me on many issues but this is the sort of intelligent, honest and very respectful person that I hope to have as a friend forever because we share so much more than we disagree on.
You already know how I feel about you, larry! That's why I feel especially bad for unintentionally mischaracterizing you earlier.
One of my favorite meme's here:
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honest question
Is war genocide?
Great question, cutworm.
No, the vast majorities of wars are not genocide.
But those wars don't intentionally target children and women, Destroy hospitals, schools, homes.....90% of the buildings in the country. Take away the electricity, food, water, fuel, heat, cooling and medical supplies of the entire population who are 99% innocent/NOT Hamas and the majority children/women. Kill indiscriminately, using massive 2,000 pound bombs at times with the majority of victims being children and women.
Show me another war like that and you're showing me another example of genocide, cutworm!
https://tass.com/world/1898471
"Hamas is rebuilding its capabilities faster than the Israel Defense Forces can dismantle them. [The leader of the Gaza-based faction] Mohammed Sinwar oversees everything," Amir Avivi, a former Israeli brigadier general, told the WSJ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
An analysis published in The Lancet has estimated a total figure of 70,000 direct deaths due to traumatic injuries.[45] The number of injured is greater than 100,000;[46] Gaza has the most amputated children per capita in the world.
Sources have doubted the Israeli figures (Hamas killed) by questioning the IDF's ability to distinguish civilians from combatants
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I'm not blaming or hating Jewish people over this. I'm not blaming or hating ANY people that disagree with me on this. Larry and I see who's responsible.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/109597/#109615
What is happening in Gaza is based almost entirely on the most intense form of hatred the world knows, along with revenge and the overwhelming military advantage/power with 0 restraints on the person driven by those emotions to seek what he thinks is justice in his warped, diabolical mind.
PRIME MINISTER Netanyahu.
Israeli forces have violated the ceasefire numerous times since Sunday, Palestinian news sources say.
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Very sad, REAL stories like this X 1,000+ the past 15 months that DEFINE the mindset and what's happening in Gaza.
Genocide in Gaza
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Started by metmike - Nov. 16, 2024, 10:49 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108676/
Re: Re: Re: The horrific Genocide ramps up
By metmike - Feb. 25, 2024, 7:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102430/#102490
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This post isnt part of a debate to try to convince anybody of anything that they long ago made a forever decision on.
Just reporting, objective, authentic facts that include powerful evidence to back them up.
if people want to reject the truth, shared With no expectations……….it reflects on them, withozaut changing the truth.
and they will still be my friend ….inless THEY decide otherwise!
Trump also confirmed he had instructed the military to resume shipments of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel, which had been paused over concerns about civilian casualties.
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https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Definition(used by clear thinking, NOT brainwashed, objective people that care about other human beings)
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
By that definition, Hamas committed genocide.
As for Trump's suggestion that people from Gaza go somewhere else. Well, he is a moron.