If President Trump ends the horrible, almost 3 year war between Russia and Ukraine and finally gives the Ukrainian people what they have been pleading for the past decade.....PEACE WITH RUSSIA, he should get the Nobel Peace Prize!
This hope was the reason that I voted for President Trump last November. If there was no war in Ukraine, I would have abstained from voting this past year.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108760/#109994
By metmike - Feb. 15, 2025, 7:24 p.m.
By metmike - Feb. 15, 2025, 7:24 p.m.
“What a negotiator this Donald Trump is,” Kimmel said sarcastically. “They haven’t even started talks yet, Trump has already offered two huge concessions.”
The Trump administration has said it won’t support Ukraine’s bid for membership in NATO, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Ukraine won’t get back all of the territory seized by Russia.
“Russia is like, ‘Well, you drive a hard bargain, Mr. Trump. Tell you what: Throw in everything else we want, and we have a deal,’” Kimmel said. “It’s honestly amazing the guy only bankrupted three casinos.”
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1. The war was almost entirely about whether NATO gets Ukraine or not.
Who won the war by an historically wide margin??? NATO or Russia??
2. The stakes, when NATO/Biden/Zelensky told Putin that NATO was getting Ukraine, then included the land that Putin threatened to take to ensure they would not get that part of eastern Ukraine, which is closest to Russia. That was clearly stated by Putin if NATO refused to give up on getting Ukraine. He did what he said that he would do if NATO decided to fight him over Ukraine. They had a war for 3 years and who won?
When does the loser of anything get the prizes?
3. The loser, the one battling for Ukraine in this case is NATO. They forced Ukraine and Ukrainians to fight a war that they didn't want for NATO. By every reasonable standard, NATO should NOT GET UKRAINE!!!!
4. Should Putin get to keep all the land that he took because NATO decided to fight him for Ukraine? Maybe he should give some of it back, I think for assurance that NATO will NOT take Ukraine and for the poor Ukrainians that were stuck in the middle of the NATO vs Russia battle.
5. Let's find out who was/is giving Ukrainians what they have always wanted. In 2018/19, Zelensky's election platform was almost entirely based on promising Ukrainians that he would stop the widespread corruption and negotiate for peace with Russia. This is what they have always wanted, so Zelensky won the election by a landslide with his promises.
6. Zelensky, not only stopped negotiations with Russia, in 2021 he refused to have any negotiations with Russia after Biden puppetized him. Instead, he insisted that Ukraine was joining NATO, exactly the one thing that Putin said would NEVER happen. In addition, with tens of billions of free US money gushing into Ukraine, the government corruption drastically INCREASED. On top of that, when Zelensky's term as president expired, he banned democratic elections to prevent from being voted out of office. So Zelensky gave Ukraine the diametrically opposed opposite of what they voted him in to do. He turned almost the entire army in Ukraine into casualties. Dead, permanently disabled +over 200,000 deserted because it was not the Ukrainian cause. They were made to fight NATO/Biden/Zelensky's war! Obviously Zelensky never gave Ukraine what they wanted.
7. How about President Biden? Not only did he intentionally start the war by hijacking Zelensky and turning him into a puppet, promising him that he would be elevated to a great NATO leader and that he would defeat Russia, with the United States giving him everything he needed to win the war..... but he lost that war by the widest of all margins. The military leadership of Zelensky/Biden/NATO goes down as the worst war leaders in the history of humanity. Blunder after profound blunder. Month after month of really dumb and disastrous decisions. I know them extremely well because I called all of them here before they turned into disasters each time. As bad as that is, Biden causing the war, with regards to the other Ukraine wish........the end of corruption, VP Biden, as the point man for ending corruption in Ukraine did the diametrically opposed opposite!!! He sent his son, Hunter and brother Jim there, to exploit the very Ukrainian corruption he was supposed to stop in order to enrich the Biden family by tens of millions of dollars.
8. How about NATO and their supporters? Did they give Ukraine the peace with Russia they want? How about they were actually THE reason for the war!!! If NATO never existed, there would never have been a reason for this horrible war.
9. How about President Trump? Is he giving Ukraine the peace they want and have always wanted with Russia?
You bet he is!
Even while doing it, no nothing, brainwashed celebrities, politicians and media bash the heck out of him. Call him a liar because he didn't do it in 24 hours.
Galactically ironic is the fact that they portray Trump as somebody that has betrayed Ukraine because he's not acting like Ukraine won the war..........which entitles them to joining NATO(something they don't even want) and that they should get back ALL the land they risked and lost when NATO took on Putin to get Ukraine.
Donald Trump is the first leader in the last decade+ that is FINALLY giving the people of Ukraine what they've been pleading for.
Peace with Russia!!!
He deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for this!!!!
Congrats, Mike, on winning POTW!
I obviously don’t at all agree with you about that being enough reason to vote for Trump, but you already know that from previous posts. I’m congratulating you for the honor, not because I agree with your Pres choice.
I just checked and President Trump was actually nominated already by a Ukrainian, 2 months ago.........imagine that!
Since Trump's electoral victory, tensions between the warring countries have escalated. Both sides have begun using long-range weapons to conduct strikes, as President Joe Biden recently authorized Ukraine to do so.
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We should note from the quote, that even as Trump was trying to work towards peace after being elected but not in office yet, Biden was ramping up and maximizing his efforts to escalate the war even more in his last 2 months in office!
Biden should get this award, especially deserving for what he did to Ukraine!
https://www.trophypartner.com/p-3388-pile-of-crap-last-place-trophy.aspx
Instead he enriched the Biden crime family with tens of millions(much of it from Ukraine), using extortion and his power as VP, THEN PARDONED HIS FAMILY AT THE END OF HIS DISASTROUS TERM AS PRESIDENT.
For the those that that dislike Trump (which includes me) you don't have to look far to figure out how/why, based on some metrics, the 2nd worst president in history got elected. ...........because he replaced THE WORST administration in history.
Americans deserve much better than this but the media(social and professional) as well as the politicians we continue to elect and the gatekeepers, like the Military-Industrial-Policital-Media complex are providing us with a dysfunctional world, using propaganda, disinformation, false narratives and junk science that we've accepted as the new normal. They use it TO MANIPULATE US for their self enriching agenda!
It doesn't have to be this way but it continues to get worse, not better.
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More propaganda from the NATO gatekeepers. FAIR for them is NATO getting Ukraine. Again, Ukraine doesn't want NATO(they want peace) it's NATO that wants Ukraine. NATO wants us to believe that its a peaceful, defensive pact. This is such a lie. Their objective is to surround and destroy Russia.
Even while President Trump is moving on a path to finally bring peace to Ukrainians, his ludicrous position in Gaza is a conundrum/enigma!!
Not only can it never happen, but it's a blatant display of Islamophobia and endorsement of an ethnic cleansing mentality in tune with his diabolical pal, PM Netanyahu!
Trump says ‘US will take over the Gaza Strip’ after relocating ‘all’ Palestinians
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Started by WxFollower - Feb. 4, 2025, 8:13 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/109838/
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That's the contradiction of Donald Trump for you. Despite the many positives of his agenda, we need a stable leader that is consistent, across the board when it comes with their positions.
Bringing peace to 1 country, while declaring you are taking over another country, kicking out all the residents you don't want there permanently, fixing it up, then inviting in the people you want to live there is not consistent. In fact, it suggests mental illness.
This supports my belief that Donald Trump is mentally ill:
Something Is Seriously Wrong with Trump
Started by metmike - May 10, 2023, 12:39 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/95084/#95119
Regardless, he still deserves the Nobel Peace Prize if he brings peace to Ukrainians!
Thanks, Larry,
It might seem sort of silly that the moderator would use his own post for post of the week(this has become more of a blog site to pass on unique, reliable information but all comments are welcome at all times).
However, what matters is the content.
Understanding the TRUE dynamics of this awful war in Ukraine, the ones that spell out NATO's, Biden's and Zelensky's role in addition to Putin's huge role, one can grasp the profound futility of the Ukrainian people.
The pretend good guys on our side, claiming to be supporting the Ukrainian people were selling nothing but snake oil as they USED Ukraine and USED the Ukrainian people to fight NATO's war.
Biden, the US Military-Industrial complex and Europe sent Ukraine the weapons, then Zelensky forced the brave Ukrainian soldiers to go on suicide missions FOR NATO. .........and we absurdly called it "supporting Ukraine"
This was worse than being slaves. At least slaves get to live. This is also why 200,000 Ukraine soldiers deserted the army(by some reasonable accounts). Along with the dead and permanently disabled, Ukraine has almost no army left.
Think about it. They suffered all those casualties in a war for NATO(their families lost too), lost a massive amount of their land while doing it(I would hope they might get some of the land back) and their master, NATO and the US Industrial-Military-Political-Media complex got all the benefits(hurting Russia, big profits, big lobby money donations, big ratings) even though NATO lost its war to get Ukraine really bad.
And NATO/the greedy US Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex wants them TO KEEP FIGHTING, even today because they don't want their benefits from the war to end. This is insanity!!! There's almost nobody left to fight!
What did Joe Biden do his last 2 months in office with respect to Ukraine?
Ramp up and escalate by sending long range missiles into Russia so that Russia could strike back and decimate Ukraine even more, take even more land in a war that is 99%+ in favor of Russia right now. Who does this???? And then calls it supporting Ukraine??
So finally, we have a bright light at the end of the tunnel even though none of this needed to happen. Nobody had to die on either side. No land had to be lost.
NATO was NEVER going to get Ukraine, I told you that from the get go. I am certain that many of them knew this but they still looked at the benefits to NATO's objective.
Kill Russians and weaken Putin. Dead Ukrainians and decimated Ukraine was well worth the price to these diabolical, powerful gatekeepers sitting comfortably in their nice houses with their family enjoying their privileged lives (especially the Biden's with the millions they stole from Ukraine) while destroying the lives of millions of human beings that they used for their self enriching agenda.
NO WAY did Zelensky care about his people. NATO took him over and he sacrificed his people for NATO. Even late last year, with almost no army left and Biden/NATO controlling him, he was still insisting on fighting indefinitely.....with Ukraine losing more and more land every single day. NATO made him a great hero for their cause.......traveling around as a world famous celebrity to all the NATO countries that adored and cheered for him.......... a charismatic, professional actor, narcissist traitor to his countrymen/women! He could have stopped this at any time, especially BEFORE the war by telling Putin that NATO would not get Ukraine.
That tells you what was/is most important to Zelensky. NATO getting Ukraine NOT Ukrainians!!!
And the US media is just part of it. If they reported the truth and inspired outrage by Americans, then our corrupt politicians would not have voted to provide the tools of war(while they benefited from the legal lobby bribes from the Military-Industrial complex).
Hurray, hurray, hurray that it might almost be over, even as the person ending it, ironically is being trashed for bringing peace to Ukraine.
Putin launched this UNPROVOKED war with one goal. That was to overthrow the "Nazi" government of Zelensky and install a puppet of Russia. He wanted to restore Russia to its former glory. (His words, not mine). Did Putin succeed? No. He failed miserably. The result was a draw.
But as far as weakening NATO he got the opposite result. NATO expanded. So in that sense, he lost.
Ukraine was not on a path to NATO membership. Nor will it get that now.
Trump and Putin are negotiating? Without Ukraine at the table? ABSURD!
Trump antagonizes our democratic allies of Europe.
It is difficult to reach any other conclusion than Trump is a puppet of Putin's.
Nobel prize? I'd give Trump the Neville Chamberlain award. Rewarding unprovoked military aggression.
Thanks, joj!
I totally understand why you think this and especially appreciate you expressing these views here because they represent exactly the propaganda which defines how the vast majority of people think of Ukraine.
Zelensky was elected on a platform of negotiating peace with Russia. He started out doing that. Trump was president then in 2019 and 2020.
Updated 7:22 PM EDT, Wed September 1, 2021
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-biden-white-house/index.html
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December 9, 20219:19 PM CS
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December 9, 20217:52 PM CST
MOSCOW, Dec 9 (2021) (Reuters) - Russia kept up a barrage of hostile rhetoric towards Ukraine on Thursday and compared the crisis there to the most dangerous moment of the Cold War as it waited for U.S. President Joe Biden to invite it to possible talks with NATO countries.
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metmike: With regards to trying to overthrow Zelensky and failing.........It's UKRAINE THAT DOES NOT WANT ZELENSKY. Zelensky banned elections after his term expired to keep himself in power.
I will be very surprised after the Trump negotiated peace restores democratic elections to Ukraine if Zelensky is elected again or even runs.
This false narrative of fighting to support the democracy in Ukraine is the polar opposite of the truth. Biden/NATO/Zelensky STOLE the democracy from Ukrainians with Zelensky acting as a dictator after his term expired.....forcing hundreds of thousands of men(most against their will) to fight NATO's war and go on suicide missions. What was a huge army in Ukraine 3 years ago is now down 80% from casualties(deaths, permanent disabled and 200,000 desertions).
This is a draw?
Look at the battlefield. 99.9% Russia.
Re: Re: Re: Biden/Zelensky WW-3p
By metmike - Feb. 13, 2025, 12:20 p.m.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 10, 2025
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-10-2025
What Putin did was REALLY wrong but we had almost 100% control over how far Putin would go and intentionally chose war.
1. Biden broke off the negotiations between Zelensky and Putin and made it clear that Ukraine was getting into NATO.
2. Putin threatened to invade if Biden didn't come back to the negotiating table on NATO. Biden refused to budge or negotiate and told Putin to go ahead and invade, we will defeat you.
3. For almost 3 years, Biden refused to entertain the idea of negotiating with Russia. NATO in Ukraine being a big objective and absurdly thinking that we were going to defeat Russia........even at the very end, with Ukraine having no army left, instead of negotiating, Biden was sending long range missiles deeply in to Russia to try to escalate and provoke vs wanting peace with Russia.
4. Now that Russia won(which was obvious from the beginning) Ukraine is NOT getting into Ukraine. ALL OF THIS could have been avoided if Biden would have just allowed Zelensky to continue to negotiate with Russia in 2021 and beyond.
5. With regards to Zelensky being at the table. Zelensky was puppetized in 2021 by Biden, after which he traveled around to NATO countries to generate support for NATO's war. His positions were always NATO's positions. Sacrificing his people for NATO. He was/is a professional actor with great charisma that NATO used to sell their war. His military decisions(with NATO/Biden calling the shots) qualify him as the worst military leader in human history.
6. What use is Zelensky now? He's completely disgraced with the worst leadership in history. His people don't want him. He's not even the legit president because his term expired last year. He was just a charismatic actor, being used and playing a role for NATO so they could hurt Russia.
7. The NATO-centric world admires Zelensky as this brave leader, fighting for democracy against the evil empire. That's all pure propaganda. The brave people of Ukraine were the ones that he sent on suicide missions for NATO after he betrayed his people. Zelensky is just a charismatic, narcissistic coward that was willing to sacrifice his country and people for his celebrity status in the NATO world.
Just look at what he did to Ukraine! All he had to do was continue to negotiate and/or to not insist that NATO was getting Ukraine.
Biden made Zelensky an offer in 2021 to sell the NATO war and not just be president of Ukraine but be the great leader of NATO's quest for Ukraine and fake fight for democracy and represent good vs evil with all the NATO country's admiring him.
That part worked!
8. Nothing that I post here will change minds of people that were captured by the convincing propaganda and lies gushing out for 3 years now. However, I HAVE ALL THE AUTHENTIC FACTS and those are the ones that support the truth!
I'll copy the links to the numerous threads here on this topic the past 3 years, loaded with the authentic facts. Maybe somebody else actually cares about what really happened. If not, at least I'll have a good spot for me to go to in order to get them at the same place.
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joj,
Thanks again for the comment!
With regards to this strengthening NATO:
You put the cart before the horse, joj.
It's BECAUSE OF NATO breaking its promise decades ago not to expand and since then, surrounding Russia by expanding into numerous countries that was the reason for Putin to draw the line in the sand on NATO NEVER getting Ukraine NOT the other way around.
Sources claiming that he's another Hitler that will come after the rest of Europe if we let him have Ukraine are completely making up a fairy tale or just clue less. 0% chance of that happening except in propaganda!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Biden/Zelensky WW-3
By metmike - Nov. 29, 2024, 5:53 p.m.
The war in Ukraine is about NATO wanting to expand into Ukraine. Putin told NATO 3 years ago that he would stop them from getting Ukraine too, no matter what he had to do. Enough was enough with NATO expansion and their perpetual Russia provoking, Russia defeating objectives. NATO is far more than the defensive pact that they pretend to be. But NATO would not and will NOT GIVE UP ON EXPANDING INTO UKRAINE and they would not even negotiate with Putin about it. NATO/Biden told Zelensky to cut off negotiations with Putin in late 2021. Putin did what he said that he would do to stop NATO.
They hijacked Zelensky, the professional actor and turned him into a traitor/puppet. He sacrificed his people and has been traveling around the NATO countries, using his charisma and acting skills to sell NATOs dishonest position.
Chance of this being true?
100%!!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
https://ndisc.nd.edu/news-media/news/the-addition-of-nato-members-over-time-1949-2023/
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Re: Re: Zelensky in the US 9-23-24
By metmike - Oct. 15, 2024, 4:30 p.m.
Two maps show NATO’s growth — and Russia’s isolation — since 1990
Map of 1990, after NATO promised that they would not expand:
Map of 2022, after 3 decades of the broken promise......and NATO's main goal to EXPAND IN EVERY COUNTRY SURROUNDING RUSSIA.
Putin drew a line in the sand and said "You're not getting Ukraine because this is part of the "motherland".
NATO getting Ukraine would just mean NATO nuclear weapons, like the ones in this exercise moved into Ukraine and aimed at Russia. Of course that's what it would mean. Why do you think they are conducting this NATO nuclear weapons exercise right now?
Would the United states let Russia expand into Cuba, Mexico and Canada and arm those countries with nuclear weapons aimed at the United States????
That's exactly what we have been doing and continue to do to Russia..........and absurdly calling it "defensive".
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Re: Re: Re: Zelensky in the US 9-23-24
By metmike - Oct. 15, 2024, 4:46 p.m.
Why NATO Has Become a Flash Point With Russia in Ukraine
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/why-nato-has-become-flash-point-russia-ukraine
Russian officials say that the U.S. government made a pledge to Soviet leaders not to expand the alliance’s eastern borders, a commitment they say came during the flurry of diplomacy following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and surrounding the reunification of Germany in 1990. Proponents of this narrative often cite the words that U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker said to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990, that “there would be no extension of NATO’s jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east.” They say the United States and NATO have repeatedly betrayed this verbal commitment in the decades since, taking advantage of Russia’s tumultuous post-Soviet period and expanding the Western alliance several times, all the way to Russia’s doorstep in the case of the Baltic states.
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How Gorbachev was misled over assurances against NATO expansion
Also see:
John Dobson, The Perfidious West: Why Putin’s suspicion is justified, Sunday Guardian, 23 December 2017
Andrew Bacevich, When Washington Assured Russia NATO Would Not Expand, The American Conservative, 20 December 2017
Eric Margolis, No to Eastward NATO Expansion? 'Sorry Chump, You Didn't Have It in Writing', Common Dreams, 17 December 2017
Newly Declassified Documents: Gorbachev Told NATO Wouldn't Move Past East German Border, National Interest, 12 December 2017
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January 29, 2020
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/long-term-costs-nato-expansion-118211
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/future-nato-enlargement-force-requirements-and-budget-costs
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metmike: Even 3 decades ago, there were some smart people insisting NATO is going down the WRONG path.
With the end of the cold war and the demise of the Soviet threat, NATO must find new rationales for its existence.
By John Feffer| November 1, 1996
https://fpif.org/the_costs_and_dangers_of_nato_expansion/
Key Problems
The current U.S. policy on NATO expansion suffers from three main problems: it needlessly provokes Russia, it would remilitarize and sharpen conflicts in the region, and it would cost both Europe and the U.S. a great deal of money.
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metmike: At a cost of hundreds of billions in recent decades, much of it from the United States and completely wasted and the exact cause of the war in Ukraine, how has NATO benefited the world or even NATO countries?
Protecting them from Russia?
Give me a huge break. That's a completely manufactured threat. NATO
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https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/nato-is-dead
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metmike: If only this were true!
By metmike - Aug. 7, 2023, 9:05 p.m.
The West must stop blocking negotiations between Ukraine and Russia
October 25, 2022 by Vijay Prashad
"The lack of willingness to allow Ukraine to negotiate with Russia predates these visits and was summarized in a March 10, 2022, article in the Washington Post where senior officials in US President Joe Biden’s administration stated that the current US strategy “is to ensure that the economic costs for Russia are severe and sustainable, as well as to continue supporting Ukraine militarily in its effort to inflict as many defeats on Russia as possible.”
The total annual budget of the United Nations for 2022 is $3.12 billion, far less than the amount spent by the US on Ukraine today. The arming of Ukraine, the statements about weakening Russia by senior officials of the US government, and the refusal to initiate any kind of arms control negotiations prolong a war that is ugly and unnecessary.
In a video call between Biden and Putin on December 7, 2021, the Kremlin told the US president that “Russia is seriously interested in obtaining reliable, legally fixed guarantees that rule out NATO expansion eastward and the deployment of offensive strike weapons systems in states adjacent to Russia.” No such guarantee was forthcoming from Washington. The talks fizzled out.
The record shows that Washington rejected Macron’s initiatives as well as entreaties from Putin and Zelensky to resolve issues through diplomatic dialogue.
Ukrainians have been paying a terrible price for the failure of ensuring sensible and reasonable negotiations from 2014 to February 2022 – which could have prevented the invasion by Russia in the first place, and once the war started, could have led to the end of this war. All wars end in negotiations, but these negotiations to end wars should be permitted to restart.
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Putin had no right to invade Ukraine, despite Biden shutting down the negotiations and turning Zelensky into his puppet but make no mistake, Biden wanted this war, using Ukrainians and their corrupt country and funded by US taxpayers in order to impose his administrations stated policy BEFORE the invasion:
“is to ensure that the economic costs for Russia are severe and sustainable, as well as to continue supporting Ukraine militarily in its effort to inflict as many defeats on Russia as possible.”
There is so much corruption, evil and dishonesty in the world and the United States of America has some of the most powerful, diabolical people on the planet.
We elect them because they tell one side what they want to hear and generate more votes than their opponents who tell their side what they want to hear.
When honest politicians, like Liz Cheney come along.........they get punished for having integrity and are shunned as an outsider. Washington insiders will lie, cheat, steal, destroy our economic future and energy delivery system...... and even cause a great deal of people to die so they can retain power for their self enrichment/agenda's. The MSM colludes with these charlatans because that business needs ratings and has their own agenda.
Europe is facing an "existential" moment in its history and must take a bold and united stand when it comes to guaranteeing Ukraine's future security, regional foreign ministers told the Munich Security Conference on Saturday.
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This obsession with NATO expanding to destroy Russia(NATO's objective) is the exact cause of the war and the main problem. Look at NATO's expansion in the above posts. Suddenly, after expanding into all these countries they promised Russian they would never expand to, it and "existential' moment if they don't get this one, right on the Russian border where half the people in Eastern Ukraine speak Russian.
NATO wants Ukraine because Ukraine is on the border with Russia. Putin does not want an organization determined to destroy Russia on their border!
An agreement that NATO would not get Ukraine would have avoided the war.
You want peace? Then don't put an entity that wants to destroy Russia on their border.
You remember the Cuban missile crisis?
Do you think the US would permit long range missile from Russia to be in Cuba, aimed at the United States?
Of course not! Biden showed us exactly what NATO and guys like him like to do from Ukraine..........launch long range missiles into Russia.
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NO NATO for Ukraine. NEVER NATO for Ukraine. Let Trump get rid of the NATO puppet/ self imposed dictator so Ukraine can have its democracy restored and NEVER let NATO expand to the Russian border. That's lunacy.........unless your objective is to destroy Russia.
That's another thing about vilifying everything Russia does and having ZERO empathy for the human beings that are Russians. Do you think that all the Russians dying in this war and their families suffering greatly WANTED to be there? Most had no choice, yet the MSM has us cheering like spectators when they report news about how many Russians were killed. Yeah, the good guys are killing more bad guys than we are getting killed.......so that justifies the continuation of the war and killing because we are winning that kill-fest metric.
Let's just blame Putin for everything and use it for diabolical endeavors. Never do smart, ethical things and or respect ALL human beings that include those on the OTHER side or the war.
This is not that much different than the rationalizing mentality in the Middle East by some. The human beings of some nationalities have more value than others based on whether we align with them or not.
Captured brains from the constant propaganda has stolen the intelligence on this topic for most Americans and European countries (NATO)
This rant is really piling up a ton of posts fast
Whatever happened to the investigation into the planets worst eco-terrorist act in history?
Blowing up the Russian natural gas pipeline and causing the biggest release of methane gas in history. Extremely likely that Joe Biden did this. Methane is dozens of times more powerful as a greenhouse gas and IT IS NOT A BENEFICIAL GAS, like CO2 which is greening up the planet. Methane is bad stuff, man.
President Joe Biden has announced a fight against methane emissions at the crucial COP26 climate change meeting this week.
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Ha! Then, he goes and causes the biggest release of Methane gas in history by blowing up the Russian Nordstream pipeline!!
At first, they tried to blame Russia. Right......... Russia blew up their own pipeline after spending billions to build it. If they wanted to stop the flow of gas to Europe, all they needed to do was turn it off from their country. Then turn it back on later. Not completely destroy THEIR own project.
They all know who really did it and covered this dastardly crime up because it hurt Russia. Never mind that Europe was headed into Winter with record low ng in storage and record high prices(that would have made Russia billions of dollars-can't have that). Biden ramped up NG exports from the US to Europe to help save the day.
26 February 2024
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68401870
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NORD STREAM ~ RUSSIA ~ ETC,
38 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 8, 2023, 8:26 p.m.
Speaking of Biden's heinous crimes against Russia and the planet, who can forget him actually sending CLUSTER BOMBS to use against Russia!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66133527
The immediate effect will be to knock away much of the moral ground Washington sits on in this war.
Russia's numerous alleged war crimes are well-documented but this move is likely to draw accusations of US hypocrisy.
Cluster munitions are a hideous, indiscriminate weapon that is banned in much of the world for good reason
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Re: Re: : How low can they go?
By metmike - Nov. 3, 2023, 7:04 p.m.
Biden already gave up any moral high ground he had remaining this past Summer when he sent cluster bombs to Ukraine that are banned by over 100 countries!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97046/#97048
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97046/#97049
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97046/#97168
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cluster-bombs-ukraine-biden-congress/
Asking Congress, which is funded by the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex to ban the use of weapons would be like asking a candy store to ban the sale of sugar products )-:
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2-17-25: Biden gets away with all these war crimes and with being responsible for causing this 3 year war in the first place(along with his family's criminal corruption in Ukraine-that he pardoned, with him as the big guy while VP) while Trump is being hammered for doing everything possible to finally bring peace to the people on both sides pleading for peace for years......... but Biden wouldn't allow it.
Crazy world we live in!
Let’s summarize Joe Biden's crimes in Ukraine:
1. As VP and point man on corruption in Ukraine for many years, he sent Hunter and brother Jim there to extort millions of dollars, with him as "The Big Guy" to exploit the corruption to enrich the Biden crime family.
2. He applied his corrupt connections in Ukraine again in his first year as president by puppetizing President Zelensky. Telling him to STOP negotiations with Russia, so that Russia would invade but the US would help Zelensky/Ukraine defeat Russia in the war and he would get Ukraine into NATO. Then Biden refused to negotiate with Putin, even after Putin started to gather troops along the border and threatened To invade if Biden would not negotiate NATO with him.
3. Blew up the Russian, Nordstream pipeline. Worst eco-terrorist act in planet earths history........even as he was professing an agenda to cut the very methane emissions he caused to be released in this heinous act.
4. Personally authorized cluster bombs, banned in most of the world because of how inhumane they are and the consequences to innocent people AFTER the war. He sent them to Ukraine, despite the objection of most people.
5. Many months after most of Ukraine's army was wiped out and they were losing more land every day and more soldiers being killed every day........he continued to try to escalate the war and provoke Putin by insanely sending long range missiles deeply in to Russia.......still doing this at the very end of his term.
6. NEVER tried to negotiate for peace, the one thing that the Ukrainians wanted most. He was obsessed with continuing the war as long as possible. The consequences of a 2nd term under Biden would have almost for sure meant WW-3 and by every measure, using observations of Biden's actions, that is exactly what he was hoping for.
Putin is a real evil guy for sure but thank goodness he has a level head and refused to be baited into WW-3 by Biden. Trump's winning the election saved the world from WW3 and the potential for unthinkable consequences to our country.
Seriously it did!
Again, this is the ONLY reason that I voted for Trump and he's coming thru for me, for our country, for Ukrainians, for Russians, for the world...............but NOT for NATO and NOT or the diabolical Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex that has been massively enriched by this war.
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You will note that those benefactors, along with the usual TDS crowd, are objecting the most about Trumps profoundly wonderful effort to finally end the horrible war in Ukraine…..instead of celebrating with those of us recognizing this for what it is……..a great gift to humanity.
My message is to reach out to the ones that really care about the human beings that have suffered more than too long on both sides because of the diabolical power plays by evil self serving gatekeepers….set aside your feelings about President trump and ignore the biased, venom laced commentary attacking Trump and see the truth for the soldiers and their families.
Peace is never a bad thing and war is never a good thing, despite propaganda convincing us of the opposite the past 3 years.
Even if all this other nonsense was not going on, if NATO was following its own rules, then Ukraine is not even close to meeting the standards for them to get into NATO.
We should note that this REAL problem is almost never reported.
https://www.act.nato.int/article/building-integrity-in-nato/
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Maybe NATO actually means these words. However, with regards to Ukraine and its widespread, long lived and worsening corruption problem, its a complete contradiction to these standards for NATO to even consider adding very corrupt Ukraine to its long list of countries.
It's clear that they are making an exception for Ukraine for a reason.
Can you guess what the reason is?
In these peace talk negotiations between Trump and Putin, why would becoming a member of NATO even be discussed under these circumstances?
This would be like putting the name of the worst baseball player in history on the ballet to vote him into the Hall of Fame.
NATO is no Hall of Fame, either..........more like the Hall of SHAME!
Here's a demonstration of figures don't lie but liars figure.
https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-ukraine-corruption-ranking-eu-1865271
Note on the bar graph that they manufactured from the data, it looks like Ukraine's corruption has plunged..........all the way to the bottom, suggesting its almost gone. They set the bottom as 100 to distort the impression.
Ukraine was still listed as the 104th least corrupt country in the world(103 counties less corrupt than them). The bar graph depicts a view that appears to suggest Ukraine is the 4th least corrupt country with the bar SIZES suggesting a drop from 44 to 4.
In reality it was a crop from 144th to 104th but they intentionally left out the first 100 less corrupt countries.
And the big drop in 2023 was political, dishonest hogwash. We are supposed to believe that many tens of billions of dollars in free money gushing in somehow caused corrupt politicians to turn over a new leaf and NOT pilfer any of it as they had been doing their entire life.
That makes as much sense as gathering a large group of drug addicts and showering them with massive amounts of their favorite drug for free and claiming that it caused a huge drop in drug addiction.
You don't fix something by increasing the problem!! Our role in Ukraine the past 3 years INCREASED the corruption problem with "The Big Guy from the Biden crime family leading the way!
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-says-normal-diplomatic-ties-restored-between-russia-us-2033203
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How about we all stop hating Putin, Russia and Trump for just long enough to recognize a massive gift bestowed to Ukraine, Russians(the human beings), the US(except for the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex) and the entire world(except for NATO's objective).
Hate(and love)
22 responses |
Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-zelensky-dictator-without-elections-2033269
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Almost everything that Trump states is right. I disagree with who was calling the shots between Zelensky and Biden and NATO but Biden was definitely beholden to Ukraine/Zelensky because of his crimes as VP in Ukraine that enriched the Biden crime family by many millions.
Heads are exploding as Trump speaks the truth about the war in Ukraine and Zelensky. Him calling Zelensky a dictator is very kind compared to my constant, brutal attacks on this NATO puppet, Ukrainian people betrayer!
The Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex that benefited greatly from this war is in major damage control mode, calling Trump's truth "Russian disinformation" once again.
I'll just randomly pick out 1 of hundreds of articles on this below:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pence-lashes-most-republicans-225602729.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
In response to Trump’s attacks, Zelensky said at a press conference Wednesday that the president lives in a “disinformation space” concocted by Russia.
“If anyone wants to replace me right now, then it just isn’t going to happen,” he said. “I wish Trump’s team had more truth. Because none of this is having a positive effect on Ukraine.”
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Seriously?
After 3 years of Zelensky sending his brave soldiers on suicide missions for NATO (200,000 deserted because they refused to fight NATO's war) and being the absolute worst military leader in the history of the human race, with almost no army left and a huge loss of Ukrainian land BECAUSE OF HIM, It's crazy that he would say this to the man that is FINALLY bringing Ukrainians what they been pleading...PEACE!!!
Zelensky was elected because he promised to negotiate for peace with Russia. Instead, he REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE with Putin, after meeting with President Biden in 2021.
Zelensky is a despicable, self centered, blatantly corrupt man that sold his soul to the NATO devil and completely sold out the people he should have been representing as president of Ukraine.
All Zelensky needed to do to prevent Putin from invading was:
1. Either continue negotiations
2. Tell Putin that NATO was not going to get Ukraine
Instead, after hooking up with Biden he told Putin to take a hike, negotiations are over and Ukraine is joining NATO.
Then he refused to negotiate for 3 years, instead traveling around to the NATO countries generating their support for the NATO war and sacrificing all the lives of HIS people for NATO.
Diabolical man.
Charismatic, charlatan actor with a convincing sales pitch to go along with diabolical NATO and the diabolical US military-industrial-political-media complex that served as the gatekeepers of propaganda, which included elevating this crud and turning him into a NATO hero.
1. How many lives would have been saved if Zelensky and Biden didn't stop the negotiations with Putin(who absolutely wanted to negotiate)?
How about ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Would Trump have negotiated and prevented all of this?
Dugh! Trump is in office again. Is he negotiating or not?
3. Were Biden/Zelensky on the verge of getting peace at the end of last year? Just the opposite.
4. Is Trump trying to get peace for the Ukrainian people right now?
5. Look at the EXTREME reactions against Donald Trump making inroads to finally bringing peace to the Ukrainian people. When do people, instead of celebrating peace with jubilation, react emphatically AGAINST peace?
6. It's when all the despicable propaganda gatekeepers and benefactors of the war are in damage control and colluding because their top priority has been to have an endless war with Russia and SAY they are supporting the Ukrainian people......while giving them the diametrically opposed polar opposite of what they want (peace), making THEM fight and die in that war they don't want, while STEALING THEIR DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS away(Zelensky banning elections so he can be dictator and keep the war going for NATO), while telling us the war is fighting for democracy.
7. It's one thing for Americans in a distant land, to be bamboozled by this and not give a darn about the human beings being slaughtered on the battlefield from BOTH sides but THEIR OWN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY INTENTIONALLY DID THIS TO HIS PEOPLE!
8. I made hundreds of posts that show the authentic facts on this the past 3 years.
Biden/Zelensky WW-3
63 responses |
Started by metmike - Nov. 25, 2024, 11:43 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108760/
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Zelensky in the US 9-23-24
70 responses |
Started by commodityman - Sept. 23, 2024, 11:51 a.m
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/107607/
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Previous thread on this same topic, which the moderator was blocked from:
Ukraine anxious after Biden’s exit
81 responses |
Started by metmike - July 24, 2024, 11:29 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/106160/
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Who speaks the truth? NOT NATO!
Started by commodityman - March 22, 2024, 11:31a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102768/
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Politicians love wars and the U.S. is vulnerable
12 responses |
Started by metmike - Oct. 29, 2023, 10:36 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100127/
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Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex Started by metmike - Jan. 31, 2024, 2:33 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102009/
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Who speaks the truth? NOT NATO!
11 responses | Started by commodityman - March 22, 2024, 11:31 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102768/
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Who wants peace in Ukraine?
81 responses |
Started by metmike - Nov. 6, 2023, 8:10 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/
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War in Ukraine drags on 9-3-23
69 responses |
Started by metmike - Sept. 3, 2023, 11:07 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/
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Nuclear War
43 responses |
Started by metmike - July 30, 2023, 7:50 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/
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STOP THE WAR!!!
36 responses
Started by metmike - April 4, 2023, midnight
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94338/
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NORD STREAM ~ RUSSIA ~ ETC,
35 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 8, 2023, 8:26 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92953/
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Finland joins NATO
Started by metmike - April 6, 2023, 8:54 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94374/
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Tucker Carlson on hot war with Russia
14 responses |
Started by cutworm - March 16, 2023, 9:26 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93837/
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Both sides want WAR!
Started by metmike - March 20, 2023, 11:30 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93915/
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Russia not in control
Started by metmike - March 5, 2023, 1:18 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93595/
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Eye rolling absurd
14 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 25, 2023, 9:40 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/
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Biden's WW-3 already started
14 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 11:59 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93292/
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RUSSIA ~ SERBIA ~ KOSOVO ~ AMERICA ~ NATO,NATO,NATO
8 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 19, 2023, 7:17 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93253/
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ANTI-WAR RALLY IN D.C. ON THE 19TH
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Started by 12345 - Feb. 16, 2023, 11:59 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93176/
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New object shot down
33 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 11, 2023, 1:30 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93029/
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STOP THE WAR!!!-2
30 responses |
Started by metmike - July 10, 2023, 9:48 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97046/
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WHO BLEW THE UKRAINE DAM UP?
10 responses |
Started by 12345 - June 6, 2023, 7:38 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/95970/
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Russia's invasion of Ukraine
21 responses |
Started by metmike - May 16, 2023, 1:04 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/95224/
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Now it's Syria
26 response
Started by metmike - March 24, 2023, 11 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94068/
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Biden says China-Russia partnership is 'vastly exaggerated' '
Started by metmike - March 25, 2023, 12:46 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94074/
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NORD STREAM ~ RUSSIA ~ ETC,
35 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 8, 2023, 8:26 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92953/
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UKRAINE ~ FWIW
42 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 8, 2023, 8:18 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92952/
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Tucker Carlson on hot war with Russia 14 responses |
Started by cutworm - March 16, 2023, 9:26 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93837/
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Eye rolling absurd
14 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 25, 2023, 9:40 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/
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Biden's WW-3 already started
14 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 11:59 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93292/
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RUSSIA ~ SERBIA ~ KOSOVO ~ AMERICA ~ NATO,NATO,NATO
8 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 19, 2023, 7:17 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93253/
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ANTI-WAR RALLY IN D.C. ON THE 19TH
7 responses |
Started by 12345 - Feb. 16, 2023, 11:59 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93176/
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New object shot down
33 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 11, 2023, 1:30 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93029/
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#2 China Spy balloon 2-9-23
16 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 9, 2023, 8:05 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92983/
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Chinese spy balloon?
47 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 3, 2023, 10:52 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92806/
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THE FUTURE OF NATO, IN QUESTION???????? Started by 12345 - Feb. 6, 2023, 4:03 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92912/
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Captured brains
20 responses |
Started by metmike - April 10, 2021, 12:32 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67714/
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Ukraine Pushes For Western Fighter Jets After Tank Deals
Started by 12345 - Jan. 31, 2023, 11:15 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92692/
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CHINA ~ TAIWAN
5 responses |
Started by 12345 - Jan. 30, 2023, 1:13 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92667/
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How to end war in ukraine
2 responses |
Started by cutworm - Jan. 30, 2023, 11:31 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92658/
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UKRAINE IS CORRUPT? GASP ~ WHO'DA THUNK?! 14 responses |
Started by 12345 - Jan. 25, 2023, 11:24 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92517/
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Ukraine Pushes For Western Fighter Jets After Tank Deals
Started by 12345 - Jan. 31, 2023, 11:15 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92692/
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Poland to Send Tanks for Ukraine
7 responses |
Started by joj - Jan. 24, 2023, 5:49 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92447/
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AND, THEN....... THERE'S POLAND
13 responses |
Started by 12345 - Jan. 21, 2023, 2:22 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92367/
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Sebastian Gorka on Russia-Ukraine War Narratives Started by cutworm - Jan. 15, 2023, 2:26 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92220/
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The Russian View
Started by cutworm - Jan. 14, 2023, 7:45 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92188/
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Biden Deepens Involvement in War
Started by metmike - Jan. 12, 2023, 3:24 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92106/
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Zalensky - A modern day Churchill
35 responses |
Started by joj - Dec. 21, 2022, 10:24 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/91647/
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Ukraine to ban religions affiliated with Russia Started by metmike - Dec. 8, 2022, 2:32 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/91309/
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Now it's Taiwan
Started by metmike - March 30, 2023, 11:12 a.m. Https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94205/
Previous threads on this topic:
Off course missile hits west of Ukraine border https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/90688/
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Russia-Uraine war October 22, 2022
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/89949/
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the war on truth in Ukraine
45 responses |
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88844/
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Putin's Gotta Go
23 responses |
Started by joj - March 12, 2022, 6:48 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/82521/
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Thoughts on Ukraine
Started by metmike - Feb. 24, 2022, 1:44 p.m. Https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/82120/
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U.S. Says Russia Could Invade Ukraine at Any Time 52 responses |
Started by metmike - Feb. 12, 2022, 1:24 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/81701/#81943
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swift/russia/markets
13 responses |
Started by bear - Feb. 27, 2022, 9:23 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/82202/
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US: Russian fighter jet hits American drone Started by metmike - March 14, 2023, 1:34 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93788/
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EUROPES' BAN ON RUSSIAN ENERGY
Started by 12345 - Jan. 30, 2023, 9:04 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92680/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92680/#92694
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How to end war in ukraine
2 responses |
Started by cutworm - Jan. 30, 2023, 11:31 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92658/
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UKRAINE IS CORRUPT? GASP ~ WHO'DA THUNK?! 14 responses |
Started by 12345 - Jan. 25, 2023, 11:24 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92517/
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Poland to Send Tanks for Ukraine
Started by joj - Jan. 24, 2023, 5:49 a.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92447/
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Ukraine to ban religions affiliated with Russia
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/91309/
Off course missile hits west of Ukraine border https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/90688/
