The SOTU speech by Trump is at 9PM. As much as I dislike him, I still plan to watch it either live or on DVR. For political nerds like me, it is one of the biggest highlights of the year.
Any predictions on how many times the Republicans will stand up and applaud while the Dems remain seated? It is so silly but is an annual tradition.
Thanks, Larry!
I'm with you on being a politics nerd.
I'll be watching too and cringing at times from the massive embellishment and outright bs(not that Biden didn't have his share).
Trump goes into this with more different extreme stuff going on than I can ever remember for a president for this speech and especially, for so early in their presidency.
1. War in Ukraine
2. Tariffs
3. Cuts in government spending
4. Border/immigration crisis
5. Restore objective climate science and the truth about CO2
1. I voted for him, entirely for #1 NOT for anything else, which I think is a mixed picture.
2. The tariffs might be the dumbest/worst policy in history.
3. We need cuts across the board but too much, too fast may cause a major recession.
4. Its good to vet immigrants, not good to kick out some that might be good citizens.
5. FINALLY!
Man o man was that a shock-a-roo!
I decided to skip it and go to the gym to do something productive instead but just watch the first few minutes. Whoa. Then I had to watch the rest because it was so unprecedented.
I thought that Trumps bloviating would be the most offensive part of the too long speech but that part was not even close. He bloviated as usual but he also made tons of excellent points.
What he did best was elevate and honor individuals that had been victimized and that made for wonderful examples of the messages that he was trying to get across. It was PURE GENIUS!
The best example was the 13 year old boy with brain cancer that wants to be a cop but has a terminal illness that is going to prevent that. So President Trump made him an honorary member of the Secret Service. Extremely powerful moment for viewers that were overcome with emotion and love for this 13 year olds.
But the extremely shocking part of the many minutes that this boy was being honored was the reaction from the Ds. Scornful looks on their faces and complete lack of empathy for this wonderful 13 year old boy and his joy at receiving this special honor.
Compelling evidence that their EXTREME hatred for Donald Trump, trumped all other things, no matter how much good is there or how much humanity and compassion is appropriate.
Just a reminder, I am NOT a Republican. Instead, an independent, objective scientist.
'Democrats didn’t even stand for the boy who survived brain cancer,' one conservative activist said
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Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
But that incident during the speech was closer to the end of it.
We could see what was coming from the very start as the Ds sent the crystal clear message from the get go that they are not the party of progress. They are the party of stopping Donald Trump, no matter what it takes.
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But Al Green, though the most blatant and vocal example, defined the character and mentality of the Ds for the rest of the speech.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5177003-house-democrats-trump-address/
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While Rep. Al Green was escorted out after an outburst, his Democratic colleagues largely opted for quieter forms of opposition to Trump on Tuesday night.
Look at the image above and ask: Do we want people with this mentality (hate and political malaise) running our country?
This was exactly why the Democrats lost the presidential election last November.
No solid messaging or substantive plans to fix major issues or address concerns of Americans.
Just push to NOT change and block anything Donald Trump wants to do and vilify Donald Trump on everything and anything he does.
In this case, don't even honor a 13 year old boy with brain cancer because it's Donald Trump's idea.
The Rs and President Trump's biggest weak point is Donald Trumps mouth. I really thought that this was going to hand the Ds a victory on a silver platter.
Donald Trump bloviating for 90+ minutes when he often can get himself in trouble with just a few minutes of nonsense.
Instead, the D's turned the perfect environment for this to happen, people yearning for something less extreme than Trump......into a massive defeat for them by being even more extreme with a disturbingly, disrespectful, offensive and hateful messaging tactic.
The most ironic and hypocritical moment of the night was when the Ds did find something to do a standing ovation for. When Trump mentioned the $200,000,000,000 that they(politicians) sent to Ukraine to kill people so they could be personally enriched by our corrupt system that uses innocent soldiers and their families in Ukraine/Russia to fight their war.
Open Secrets
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying?ind=D
Donald Trump Faces New Impeachment Bid After Speech to Congress
Published Mar 05, 2025 at 8:07 AM EST
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-al-green-2039765
Texas Democrat Al Green has hit back at Donald Trump after he was kicked out of the president's joint address to Congress on Tuesday, saying that he is "working on" Articles of Impeachment against the president.
The new impeachment effort against Trump underscores the deep political divisions that remain in Washington. If impeachment articles were to pass the House, it would trigger yet another Senate trial, disrupting Trump's second term and potentially shaping the political narrative leading into the 2026 midterm elections.
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What exactly is the message that they want to project to the people, other than stop Donald Trump no matter what it takes. No matter what his agenda or ideas......even when they match up with what Americans want. Even when they make sense and make the world a better place.........like peace in Ukraine.
This is likely what we will continue to see from the Ds and MSM during his 2nd term. If the economy turns sour or some of his really dumb moves, like the tariffs backfire badly, then that works but it still is not offering us a BETTER plan.
Just, rejecting change from Donald Trump, despite the VAST majority of Americans really wanting change.
How about offering Americans the changes they want and reasons they voted the D party out?
Or offer a message of peace in Ukraine and getting along with Russia? Their massive personal enrichment hustle of the American tax payer and rest of the world would be lost, that's why not!!!
Donald Trump's Congress Speech Was a Huge Hit With Americans
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-congress-speech-poll-approve-2039740
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The Ds only amplified the positivity of Trump by contrasting it with a display of incredulous, party embarrassing negativity
Again, I am NOT an R and personally, I greatly dislike Donald Trump. I only voted for him because he was the only hope for peace in Ukraine.
Without the war in Ukraine, I would have abstained from voting for president in 2024. There was no way to justify a vote for part of the worst administration in US history.
number 1 it was not a state of the union speech
Thanks, mcfarm!
McFarm said:
“number 1 it was not a state of the union speech”
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Thanks, McFarm. You’re correct because it was during the inauguration year. So, that’s my error. But for all intents and purposes it was similar:
“But the fact that these speeches are technically not State of the Union addresses makes little difference, according to the American Presidency Project, which says the “impact of such a speech on public, media, and congressional perceptions of presidential leadership and power should be the same.”
My comments about speech:
1. The Dems made a clear mistake in not standing up and clapping for the kid who had had brain cancer. Even though the kid was used for political purposes just like is often the case with other folks being introduced in these annual addresses to Congress and even though Trump admin reduced NIH funds for research into cancer and other diseases (see link below), it still made the Dems look bad. They were caught between whether or not to go along with this political stunt and just showing the kid joy but they made the wrong choice imho.
2. The speech was very divisive against Dems as usual. He almost always speaks to half the country and treats the other side as an enemy of the US. Nothing has changed in that regard since 2017. Nothing! And I’m so proud to say that I knew to never support him because of this.
The protests from the Dems are because of Trump’s nasty behavior toward them since 2016. This was made worse by his 2020 Eiection bullshit and the soon after insurrection in that very building that he instigated that endangered lives of Congress/Pence. So I vehemently disagree with Mike on this. Then sitting back quietly hasn’t been doing much good. But then again, them holding up signs likely won’t help either. They need to do more in other legal/nonviolent ways to hold back on what Trump/Musk have been doing. Exactly what I don’t know.
3. His speech was like usual full of lies. Example: the SS payments going out to millions of folks well over 100 years of age who are dead. That’s bullshit. He’s such a liar. But his base doesn’t know the difference. So he doesn’t care.
“Public data from the Social Security Administration shows that about 89,000 people age 99 or over were receiving Social Security benefits in December 2024, not even close to the millions Trump invoked.”
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/04/politics/fact-check-trump-address-congress
4. His numbers on aid $ amounts to Ukraine were far off. And he keeps lying about all European aid being just loans:
“Trump repeated a regular false claim that the US has spent $350 billion, ‘like taking candy from a baby,’ to support Ukraine’s defense while Europe has collectively provided just $100 billion in aid. That is not close to correct.”
“According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that closely tracks wartime aid to Ukraine, Europe – the European Union plus individual European countries – had collectively committed far more total wartime military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine through December 2024 (about $263 billion at current exchange rates) than the US committed (about $126 billion). Europe had also allocated more military, financial and humanitarian aid (about $140 billion) than the US allocated (about $121 billion).”
“It’s possible to arrive at different totals using different counting methodologies, but there is no apparent basis for Trump’s ‘$350 billion’ figure. The US government inspector general overseeing the Ukraine response says on its website that the US had appropriated nearly $183 billion for the Ukraine response through December 2024.”
5. The speech was the longest of this type on record. Way too long.
Thanks, Larry!
I agree with all that.
And was expecting Trump to behave this way and almost didn’t watch because of that.
Expecting the Ds biggest weapon, Donald trumps mouth and bloviating with bs, followed by fact checks to do major damage.
But the Ds (who must have the worst political strategist ever) decided to try to do it different and to take the attention away from Trump and give up this huge advantage.
Replacing it with childish, hateful, disruptive behavior to try to get the attention on themselves…..even while Trump bloviated with lots of bs but sounded positive and patriotic and saying things people wanted to hear compared to their rudeness and being off the charts being disrespectful.
So obsessed with using that horrible, offensive strategy that they were unable to break free for a few minutes to display compassion and humanity for a 13 year old boy with brain cancer.
Like I mentioned before, this was one of the most brilliant moves ever in a situation like that by the Trump team that basically put the final check mate move on the Ds who fell for it.
The Trump team was counting on this heart tugging story to give them a huge lift and hoping the Ds would do exactly what they did……..look like a bunch of heartless, hateful crud’s that only came to bash Trump and send negative, obstructive messages about as much as they could.
They looked liked the sorest of losers and the saddest thing is that they all came together and united on this extremely losing strategy!
This was completely intentional and planned out by the Ds.
An objective observer would never want people like this to be playing any role of any kind in running our country.
The 1 time they actually cheered was for the worst event on the planet the past 3 years that THEY CAUSED.
We should think about that. They couldnt display an iota of compassion for a precious 13 year old boy with brain cancer but they cheered for the millions of casualties of human beings, including their families that they considered to have sub human value which was much less important than their self enrichment schemes and political agenda.
many Ds had signs that said “this is not normal”
What I just described may be normal by their standards but we don’t need morally bankrupted people making decisions of any kind.
that’s not to say Trump doesn’t have his own enormous problems which I’ve identified dozens of times here.
Im picking on the D politicians in this thread because they earned it with their especially despicable behavior last night but the R politicians aren’t any better in many to most realms!
WX
The speech was very divisive against Dems as usual. He almost always speaks to half the country and treats the other side as an enemy of the US. Nothing has changed in that regard since 2017. Nothing! And I’m so proud to say that I knew to never support him because of this.
CW
I think of the 2 impeachments, Biden saying that MAGA is the biggest threat to America, Hill calling me deplorable. Constant threats of impeaching to fellow who just won the election!!
And then Trump compares the dems actions to his idea of how things could be better. I think you should see that the divisiveness does not just come from Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HynbnvloMQ ,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHJVE9trSM
JMHO
CW said:
“I think of the 2 impeachments, Biden saying that MAGA is the biggest threat to America, Hill calling me deplorable. Constant threats of impeaching to fellow who just won the election!!”
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Hey CW,
1. Hillary calling 1/2 of Trump voters as deplorable was a boo-boo for her for sure.
2. However, Biden saying that MAGA Republicans are the biggest threat to our republic was right imho as this was <2 years after Jan 6th.
We will just have to agree to disagree
"Hey CW,
1. Hillary calling 1/2 of Trump voters as deplorable was a boo-boo for her for sure.
2. However, Biden saying that MAGA Republicans are the biggest threat to our republic was right imho as this was <2 years after Jan 6th."
The difference in opinions is based almost entirely on how you feel emotionally about the term MAGA. MAGA people are the exact same people that Hillary called deplorable. I really see no difference.
The ones involved in January 6th were EXACTLY the deplorables that Hillary referred to.
The biggest difference in the group that Hillary referred to as deplorables BEFORE Trump was elected is that they have united and become much stronger. Biden actually caused that by being the worst president in history.
It's a no brainer cause and effect.
We have 2 completely contrasting choices and have to pick one of them for our president every year.
The worse 1 choice gets, the better the other 1 looks in comparison.
Up until the Biden/Harris administration, the D choice wasn't as obviously bad and different cause many millions of voters to vote NOT Biden/Harris and NOT the D party.
Tuesday night was a D display in front of the entire country of what that party INTENTIONALLY STRATEGIZED was going to be the look they wanted Americans to see.
Seriously, they didn't all individually come up with those signs that all looked exactly like the signs of everybody else.
The same source created ALL THE SIGNS for all of them. They met before hand and decided how they would react to Trumps speech so that Americans could view their despicable, hateful behavior, which in their deranged brains was thought to be a way to hurt Donald Trump.
There was also alot of virtue signalling going on. Constituents that also hate Donald Trump would see them "fighting back" and "protesting".
I'm telling you that this Summer WILL feature widespread protesting around the country, especially if/when the economy slows down from government spending cuts and tariff inflation.
In this age, this is the recipe for rioting when agitators and others that think like the Ds on Tuesday Night get control of the narratives.
Based on what I’m seeing at Republican representatives’ town halls, what Trump is doing to the economy, the typical swing away from the party in power in the first election after a new POTUS, and there now being only a very narrow GOP advantage over the Dems, I’m expecting the Dems to easily take over control of the House with the 2026 elections. That would be very good news from my perspective.
Thanks, Larry!
that would match up with whats been happening for the last decade.
Obama/H.Clinton caused Trump.
Trump caused Biden.
Biden caused Trump-2.
Trump-2 Will cause the next D.
This will be the 4th presidential election that the NOT the other person wins.
This will also impact the elections in 2026, assumiNg that Trumps bad economic decisions have a negative impact on the economy.
The omnipotent bloviator might try to overturn the law that limits presidents to 2 terms, who knows.
Do you like my new nickname for Trump, Larry?
“omnipotent bloviator“ is a good one imho, Mike.
you guys just keep right on embarrassing your selves. So Trump wants this, Trump wants that, Trump is a Nazi on and on and on. And just where do you all land when we just completed Obama's 3rd term and caught the libs all red handed deep in the shit trying mightily for Obama's 4th term by all the cheating. fake investigations, fake media, fake this and that. Just where are you with Obama's 4th term. I really do not hear Nazi Obama, dictator Obama, cheating Obama. Yes there were others in Biden's circle who were running the WH while we had no President the last 4 years but this crap about Trump needs to filtered with reality.
Thanks, mcfarm!
I'm just an objective, independent scientist that makes evidence based statements on MarketForum using the scientific method to help enlighten readers.
And as a chess coach for 30 years, that applies the same principles of critical thinking........independent of politics and emotions.
Remember, I VOTED FOR Trump in November because I knew he would end the war in Ukraine. I am NOT a republican and I certainly don't have TDS.
You are always welcome here to make your political statements and so is the other side.
I am 100% convinced (based on the profound evidence) that Trump is afflicted with pathological thinking because of his mental illness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_grandeur
Biden too, was afflicted with pathological thinking, partly because of his cognitively compromised condition but also very much from the same mental condition that Trump suffers from. Biden was much more corrupt than Trump, amazingly.
This caused him to be unable to see his lost cause for a Biden 2nd term and refuse to step down from his candidacy in a timely manner. It also caused him to be convinced that he could defeat Russia. Even after being crushed worse and worse in Ukraine the last year, he continued to send long range missiles into Russia, instead of negotiating(after Joe Biden caused the war in late 2021 by stopping the negotiations and deciding to fight an unwinnable war, instead).
Biden/Zelensky/NATO, with all the proof here, provided the worst military leadership in the history of the human race.
1. We got rid of Biden, good riddance!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110000/#110040
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108815/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/108815/#108846
2. When Trump restores the democracy and elections in Ukraine, they will throw Zelensky out(its much more likely that he doesn't run again, with us getting bombarded with propaganda and false narratives to cover up the REAL reasons-Ukrainians WANT HIM OUT!!!!)
3. NATO, one of the most corrupt/dishonest, war mongering but powerful, message gatekeeping propaganda machines will likely live on.
By metmike - March 4, 2025, 9:50 a.m.
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The Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex, in cahoots with NATO isn't going anywhere.
Re: Re: Putin's Lapdogin Chief
By metmike - March 4, 2025, 6:05 p.m.
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3 year Ukraine compilation
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