https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXIPzvtiqP4 start at the 4 minute mark. This is one of most honest, direct, accurate statements I have ever heard about the mess in Gaza and all the anti Jewish crap going on in this country that follows. This young lovely women says what needs to be heard world wide with an honest passion that makes all the pretend people our big over grown government sends all around the world to talk and talk look like tiny little amateurs. She says more in 2 minutes than they have in 50 years.
Thanks, mcfarm.
I have a much better idea for stopping the huge uptick in antisemitism.
Stop doing this below and people will stop hating you for doing it!
Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip
The Israeli Air Force has been conducting an aerial bombardment campaign on the Gaza Strip during the Gaza war. During the bombing, Israeli airstrikes killed thousands of Palestinians (mostly civilians), and damaged or destroyed Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and other civilian infrastructure including refugee camps.[2][3]
By October 2024, Israel said it bombed 40,000 locations[4] in the Gaza Strip (which is 360 km2). By one estimate, the bomb tonnage dropped on Gaza is more than 70,000 tonnes,[5] surpassing the combined bomb tonnage dropped on Dresden, Hamburg, and London in World War II.[6] Satellite imagery showed at least 69% of all buildings were damaged or destroyed,[7][8] which also meets or exceeds the scale of destruction in Cologne, Dresden and Hamburg during World War II.[2] More than 48,000 Palestinians have been reported killed by the Gaza Health Ministry,[9] while a January 2025 analysis in The Lancet concluded that official figures significantly under-report mortality, estimating 64,260 deaths from traumatic injury up to 30 June 2024, and when extended to October 2024 likely exceeding 70,000. Of this total, the analysis estimated that 59.1% were women, children and the elderly.[10] Researchers have estimated a civilian death toll of at least 80%.[11][12]
Israel has faced accusations of war crimes and genocide due to the large number of civilian casualties and the large percentage of civilian infrastructure destroyed.[13][14] Israel ordered civilians evacuate, and threatened that civilians who didn't evacuate would be considered "an accomplice in a terrorist organisation".[15][16][a] Israel stated that its struck targets were used by Hamas, but an Airwars analysis did not find evidence of militant presence in most Israeli airstrikes during Oct 2023.[18] The United Nations reports that 86% of the Gaza Strip is under Israeli evacuation orders.[19] Satellite data analysis indicates that 80% of the buildings in northern Gaza have been damaged or destroyed
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Twisting the interpretation of this to use as propaganda to make it appear to be "Israel defending itself" is only amplifying the magnitude of the hate for the perpetrators because of the denial of the truth!
Keep in mind that I started the threat below, right after the horrific Hamas attacks on Israel that started the war in Gaza. I grew up (12 years of Catholic School) being taught that today's Jews are the descendants of God's chosen people, the Israelite's.
Hate is wrong, especially when directed at people who play no role in the atrocities in Gaza.
Hate is wrong, especially when directed at people because of their (political) opinions, their nationality, race, gender and other things related to being different than us.
Hate(and love)
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Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
https://apnews.com/article/gaza-israel-palestinians-war-news-ba90f0de3d4f64a1762d1a39f787817f
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel cut off the electricity supply to Gaza, officials said Sunday, affecting a desalination plant producing drinking water for part of the arid territory. Hamas called it part of Israel’s “starvation policy.”
Israel last week suspended supplies of goods to the territory of more than 2 million Palestinians, an echo of the siege it imposed in the earliest days of the war.
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The correlation and CAUSATION between Israel's long lived genocide of Palestinians IN GAZA and the protesting with a big increase in antisemitism is nearly 1 to 1.
People on the side against humanity continue to delude themselves with justifications for extremely diabolical acts by every reasonable standard.
Previous threads this year:
It is NOT Genocide
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Started by joj - Jan. 19, 2025, 5:50 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/109597/
Trump says ‘US will take over the Gaza Strip’ after relocating ‘all’ Palestinians 33 responses |
Started by WxFollower - Feb. 4, 2025, 8:13 p.m.
mm, don't you think it would accurate and more helpful to give the reasons,,,, you know the hostages and negotiations thereby both dead and alive. Your post is bout as 1 sided as the typical msnbc, cnn, or most any other msm would post
Thanks much, mcfarm!
Mischaracterizing me as being: "Your post is bout as 1 sided as the typical msnbc, cnn, or most any other msm would post" is just attacking with empty words that are the polar opposite of who I am.
"mm, don't you think it would accurate and more helpful to give the reasons,,,, you know the hostages and negotiations thereby both dead and alive"
Be more than happy to do that mcfarm!
That leaves 59 hostages who remain in Gaza, out of the approximately 250 taken in the Oct. 7 attack. The remaining captives are the subject of intense advocacy by their families and supporters around the Jewish world. Of them, 35 are known to be dead.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/15/the-human-toll-of-israels-war-on-gaza-by-the-numbers
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mcfarm,
I know exactly why your side is having an impossible time comprehending the truth here.
Because that side gives very little value to the lives of those that are not like them or that does not agree with them.
The value of a human being should NOT BE based on where they live, their nationality/race or what religion they practice. Even what party they affiliate with. In the world of your side, 1,000 Muslims are still not worth 1 jew or American.
59 hostages left?
Using the racist math, it justifies genocidal treatment to 2 million Palestinians, the majority that have been killed and injured are children and women.
As you requested, mcfarm I pointed out the hostages and compared it to the current genocide in Gaza and guess what?
It's still an unjustified genocide to the vast, VAST majority of the victims that are innocent, children and women PALESTINIANS.
We all know the expression that 2 wrongs don't make a right but in this case it's "1 atrocity does not justify an atrocity 1,000 times worse just because you hate them"
Then, displaying blatant hypocrisy by squawking when people hate you for your despicable acts of hate that are 1,000 times worse.
The way to reducing antisemitism is the diametrically opposed polar opposite of what Israel and its supporters have been doing the past 17 months (and ironically, claiming THEY are the victims and did nothing wrong-geesh!).
I started this thread immediately after and in response to the horrific, Oct. 7, 2023 attacks on Israel by Hamas.
Hate(and love)
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Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
Just because Israel is 1,000 times more powerful than Gaza doesn't mean Jews(and Americans) are worth 1,000 times more than Muslims/Arabs.
We are all human beings with basic rights and needs.
I grew up indoctrinated in a religion that taught us that Jews are in fact the ancestors of Gods chosen people (the Israelite's) and this concept has ingrained an assumption BY MANY PEOPLE that they are worth MUCH more than Muslims, who are NOT God's chosen people or because they don't follow the "true" religion.
I think that if you get the opportunity to chat with God, you might finally find out that we were all created with equal value in his eyes. If you agree with that and embrace that reality of humanity concept then you should also know that what is happening in Gaza right now is completely incompatible with it.
You CANNOT be for both.
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This apocalyptic situation is so bad that 266 humanitarian workers have been killed in Gaza. Israel continues to bald face lie and tell us they are targeting only Hamas.
Honestly, I would quickly fill this thread with 100 posts and spend 24 hours a day showing these profound facts that are completely censored at places like Fox News, when they inform viewers that Israel is defending itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war
| Total | Combatant | Civilian | ||||
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| Source | Date | Percent civilian | Death count | Explanation | ||
| Professor Adam Gaffney[5] | May 3, 2024 | ~80% | 36,906 | ~7,000 | "assume that the number of noncombatant men who have been killed equals the number of women killed" | |
appreciate all your research and explanation. However you keep throwing around genocide and that leaves virtually no room for agreement. I do not have a side. I want the world at peace. Muslims want all Jews dead, That kind of takes all things out of the equation. They are taught that way, raised that way and believe that way. So go ahead and throw the blame everywhere I just do not have to agree with it.
mcfarm,
Absolutely you don't have to agree with anything that I say and your views are welcome here.
With regards to throwing around the word genocide. It's based entirely on the long accepted definition of genocide from legit. authorities across the planet and the indisputable facts of what is happening RIGHT NOW in Gaza.
You guys can keep repeating that it's NOT genocide because you've decided to follow the US and Israel's Gaza war, conveniently altered interpretation of what genocide is(to justify committing genocide). I'll just stick with the AUTHENTIC, long accepted definition by the authorities on genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
Main article: Genocide Convention
Two years after passing a resolution affirming the criminalization of genocide, the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Genocide Convention on 9 December 1948.[27] It came into effect on 12 January 1951 after 20 countries ratified it without reservations.[28]
The convention defines genocide as:. any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
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I completely understand why you want to believe only the US(places like Fox News) and Israel's conveniently interpreted 2025 version of what genocide is because YOU LIVE HERE. I'm going with the rest of the world and using critical thinking.
One way that people can justify violating laws and rules is to make their own laws/rules and that changes their violation to a non violation. You can do that in many realms and get away with it.
Since Israel and US have such incredible military might and total control of EVERYTHING in Gaza using brute force to commit genocide, then tell the world that it's NOT genocide using their distorted version of genocide......there is NOBODY that can stop them. And nobody that can stop them from using propaganda to control what people think.
It's that old Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex again, doing what they do best......... flexing their gatekeeper muscles for self enrichment. Many tens of thousands of bombs and millions of pounds (with other war supplies) mean billions in $$$$ profits for that entire complex. With the production sources controlling our bought and paid for politicians that authorize the money to buy, then ship them.
It's supposedly not genocide if these diabolical, morally bankrupt sources can get rich on it!
14 November 2024
“Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the Committee said.
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The rest of the world has been dong its best to stop this genocide but that's impossible because the all powerful US and Israel have decided to justify it for their political agenda and HATRED OF PALESTINIANS.
While doing this, at the same time they cry out that antisemitism has ramped up, pretending that they don't know the reason.
The clear way to make the antisemitism better is to stop the genocide by Israel/the Jewish state and you'll find that IMMEDIATELY, the protesting of this genocide, based on the globally accepted definition of genocide will stop. The INCREASE in antisemitism from this genocide will also wane.
Blaming it on everything except the root cause will have no impact, except to reinforce junk ethics and justifying doing whatever the heck you want because you are rich and powerful and that means that you can make your own rules and nobody can stop you.
November 23, 2023
The Devastating Wars Abroad Are Windfalls for Weapons Manufacturers
Your tax dollars are being squandered in the rush to build and sell ever more weaponry for ongoing wars.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/military-industrial-complex-ukraine-gaza/
The New York Times headline said it all: “Middle East War Adds to Surge in International Arms Sales.” The conflicts in Gaza, Ukraine, and beyond may be causing immense and unconscionable human suffering, but they are also boosting the bottom lines of the world’s arms manufacturers. There was a time when such weapons sales at least sparked talk of “the merchants of death” or of “war profiteers.” Now, however, is distinctly not that time, given the treatment of the industry by the mainstream media and the Washington establishment, as well as the nature of current conflicts. Mind you, the American arms industry already dominates the international market in a staggering fashion, controlling 45 percent of all such sales globally, a gap only likely to grow more extreme in the rush to further arm allies in Europe and the Middle East in the context of the ongoing wars in those regions.
https://www.securityincontext.com/posts/merchants-of-death-israels-permanent-war-economy
The 2023 Israeli genocidal assault on Gaza, marked by its unprecedented scale of destruction and the apocalyptic humanitarian crisis it spawned, casts a revealing light on the chilling nature of Israel’s war economy system. This is no temporary defense mechanism activated in response to wartime context; rather, the war economy has been at the very core of Israel’s settler-colonial identity since the early years of the Zionist colonization of Palestine.
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I totally understand why the truth here, using powerful, indisputable facts and objective discernment is like a foreign language to the majority of readers. We live in the US and Israel. Places where our intelligence is stolen, following a manufactured version of THEIR truth so that the elites, led by the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex, serving as the gatekeepers of information can be permanently enriched.
Generating hatred (for Muslims or Russians) to sweeten the pot and they have the perfect recipe for almost complete control of how we view the wars they are enriched by.
This is absolutely part of the tactics they use to generate support/$$$$ for their ethically bankrupt schemes that ALWAYS feature the manufacturing of weapons for wars.
That is their business. They can't have blockbuster sales and profits without wars!!!
Just to repeat. I've always loved the country of Israel and greatly admire many attributes of the Jewish people(not this one by corrupt people there and in my own country).
Don't let them fool you into thinking people with my view are all antisemitic!
you are getting closer. Israel believes {with Hammas pushing them right to this conclusion} that they have to totally destroy Hammas. Most every other option has been tried. The world would be infinitely better off without Hammas. There are people in Gaza that want peace and who did they turn right around and elect to lead Gaza? What a mess.
Mc/MM, Thanks for the interesting back and forth and, most importantly the civility ITT. Actually, just about all of the regular posters in various threads have recently been mainly pretty civil including also joj, cutworm, other Mike, tjc, Jim M, amongst others (sorry if I left other names out).
Thanks very much, Larry.
That is an extremely appreciated compliment. We live in a world of increasing divisiveness and there are posters here that strongly disagree with each others views but we try to respect each other and communicate in a civil way.
You are one of the best at it, Larry and its especially nice to get a compliment from a person with your high standards of personal behavior and character.
Thank you, MM! I try! Strong disagreements allow for discussions to be robust, which keeps things interesting for the participants and readers. But keeping these robust discussions civil is a very important bonus and isn’t always easy for anyone including myself with a strong disagreement. The key to maintaining civility is to keep our egos in check. Not always easy. An ego can make anyone feel like he/she is superior to others in a discussion and that only he/she is correct. That can lead to a loss of civility.
Well stated, Larry!
Big ego's prevent people from seeing others views and prevent people from humanizing and sabotages empathy for those that are different than us.
Israel has really ramped things up now. It’s a genocide ON STEROIDS.
1 side is waiting for the entire population of Gaza to be wiped out, justifying it the entire time with Israel is defending itself or we need to kill 1,000 times as many Palestinians and torture 2 million innocent, mostly children and women to get 2 dozen hostages back.
One of the most incredible examples of how human beings will completely deny the crystal clear reality because they have decided to never acknowledge it because they are indoctrinated with a belief system that doesn’t allow it.
More when back in my office later today.
Israel completely gets away with their blatant genocide.
Why?
The country most capable of stopping them is the 1 country in cahoots with them in committing this horrific genocide!!
The United States and Israel are NOT the good guys here.
Hamas is evil and needs to be dealt with aggressively. However, committing genocide like this is INCENTIVIZING more Muslims to join their ranks than they are killing!
Netanyahu lacks the capacity to comprehend that…..driven by rage and hatred and revenge and saving his own skin.
The morally depraved US military industrial political media complex is driven by self enrichment and,political agenda NOT HUMAN RIGHTS.
The unimaginable suffering to innocent human beings, mostly children and women is thousands of times greater than the objective……and the objective can never even happen!
Where is the critical, rational thinking?
The people that speak out for humanity are censored and vilified and accused of being antisemitic.
somehow they don’t see the massive uptick in antisemitism being exactly correlated to Israel’s horrific genocide of innocent Palestinians.
I’ll make a prediction with extremely high confidence
As long as Israel continues on this path, antisemitism will keep getting worse.
In order to cure the disease you have to treat/stamp out the cause of it. Feeding the disease with high octane fuel is only making it MUCH worse.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-airstrikes-hamas-1.7486249
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As Israel resumes full-scale genocide in Gaza, all the international community can muster are weak objections.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyr154314vo
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Re: Re: Re: The horrific Genocide ramps up
By metmike - Feb. 25, 2024, 7:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102430/#102490
Here is it, more than a year after that post above. The same wicked, all powerful entities perpetrating this diabolical crime against humanity WITH IMPUNITY.
But now, with the even more powerful, Islamophobic, Omnipotent Bloviator on board there is little hope for peace or legit help for the innocent children and women being slaughtered in the name of Israel.
Gee, I wonder why antisemitism has been ramping higher around the world, exactly in sync with the war in Gaza........NOT!
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I constantly speak out against antisemitism!
But I don't fight against it by condemning people who speak out against Israel's horrible, state sponsored genocide(and call them antisemitic).
Instead I APPLAUD THEM AND JOIN THEM IN SPIRIT AND ADMIRE THEIR COURAGE AND HUMANITY. Instead, condemning the root cause/source of the huge increase in global antisemitism. Israel's state sponsored, absolutely unjustifiable, horrific, LONG LIVED genocide against the innocent Palestinians.
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Israel's Gaza strikes ‘must be condemned by all right-thinking nations,’ says Ireland's top diplomat
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/18/Tv/video/amanpour-newton-harris-ireland-gaza-ukraine-tariffs
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More than 400 people were killed in the Israeli attacks and hundreds more were injured, according to health officials. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-gaza-ceasefire-palestine-hamas-netanyahu-what-know-rcna197012
But this was not part of the original ceasefire agreement that went into effect Jan. 19. The first phase of that deal, which had Hamas release 25 living hostages and the bodies of eight in exchange for around 1,800 of Palestinian prisoners, ended March 1.
The second phase was set to kick in 16 days later and would have included the exchange of all the remaining hostages and the establishment of a permanent ceasefire. In phase three, the bodies of all dead hostages were to be returned and a commitment made to rebuild Gaza.
But the second phase never began after Netanyahu said he had accepted a plan by Steve Witkoff, Trump's special envoy to the Middle East, to extend the ceasefire for 50 days to discuss phase two — a proposal that was immediately rejected by Hamas.
Following Hamas' rejection, Israel blocked the flow of aid and goods into Gaza in a move condemned by rights groups.
Israel's military called Tuesday’s strikes “pre-emptive” and suggested without providing any evidence that Hamas was attempting to rearm.
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Trump caused it!!!
"This is a war on children," said one child advocate working to end the carnage and suffering in Gaza.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/children-killed-in-gaza-2671370559
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Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Tuesday's renewed bombardment of Gaza was "only the beginning" after the fragile ceasefire was shattered and more than 400 Palestinians killed, according to local health officials.
All future ceasefire negotiations will take place "under fire", Mr Netanyahu said as he vowed to force Hamas to release all remaining hostages.
White House officials confirmed that Donald Trump was “consulted” before Israel’s pre-dawn attack, while an Israeli official told the Wall Street Journal that the US president “gave the green light” after Hamas failed to hand over hostages.
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Now that Islamophobic Donald is at the helm, there is very little hope for Palestinians, especially those living in Gaza.
And no hope to stop the big increase in antisemitism.
Video obtained by CNN showed large crowds, estimated to be thousands of people by a CNN journalist on the ground, marching through the streets of Beit Lahia in northern Gaza, chanting “For god’s sake, Hamas out,” “Hamas terrorists” and “We want an end to the war.”
A message shared on social media appeared to call for nine anti-Hamas demonstrations across Gaza on Wednesday, with the protest organizers saying, “our voices must reach all the spies who sold our blood.”
“Let them hear your voice, let them know that Gaza is not silent, and that there is a people who will not accept to be eradicated,” the message continued.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/middleeast/anti-hamas-protests-gaza-intl-latam/index.html
Thanks, Larry!
I see this as buying into the offensive mentality that I hear repeated (including here) that justifies killing the innocent people of Gaza because they are responsible for Hamas. That they are not rejecting Hamas strongly enough so they must be supporting Hamas and thus, their partnership with Hamas makes them legit targets.
I couldn't disagree more with that. These people are innocent VICTIMS of Hamas and 1 million times worse than that, they are being victimized by Israel's genocide against THEM.
Their protesting means nothing to Netanyahu and Israel, who determine their destiny. They already know dang well that these people are upset with Hamas. Everybody with an objective brain should already know that.
Because they are protesting against the same group that he uses as an excuse for his genocide, is he going to stop killing them? Not a chance.
Netanyahu is about much more than just eliminating Hamas or else he would not be intentionally killing the majority of people that are NOT Hamas. Depriving 100% of the population of basic survival requirements. Those that claim this is just Netanyahu's brilliance because he smarter than the rest of the world in seeing it being a tactic to get the people in Gaza to reject Hama are just enabling and justifying genocide on steroids.
Instead, what is 1,000 times more important is what is happening in Israel, the source of the genocide. If and when it stops will be determined by actions in Israel NOT actions by victims in Gaza.
This is actually good to see(but contradicts what those who don't want to acknowledge the gravity and cause of this genocide). I'm wondering why you didn't post it?
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339490/israel-protests-netanyahu-hostages-gaza-war
On Saturday, more than 100,000 people turned out at protests in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and other cities, according to organizers. For several days in a row, thousands marched toward and surrounded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's private residence in Jerusalem, waving Israeli flags or carrying signs calling for new elections and accusing the Israeli government of working against its people.
Polls show a majority of Israelis are against the end of the ceasefire and want negotiations to continue. Many feel this return to war is a betrayal and that Netanyahu and his government are forsaking the remaining hostages, leaving them to die in Gaza. Israelis are also protesting what they say is a threat to their democracy, as Netanyahu has renewed his push for overhauling the country's judicial system.
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This genocide will likely not end until Netanya is removed from office! Only the people of Israel have that power. The innocent victims of genocide that are protesting in Gaza have NEAR 0 POWER in where this goes. C'mon Israel, we're counting on your humanity and critical thinking to get Netanyahu out ASAP!
Mike, I’m always happy to see Israelis massively protesting against Bibi, which they’ve done at other times indicating many have been very upset with Bibi. I didn’t see the one about which you just posted. That’s why I didn’t post it myself.
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For those that justify this GENOCIDE as an effective way to force Hamas to release the hostages........seriously? one thing its done is get some of the hostages killed along with 1 billion times more damage to Gaza and its people. It's just an excuse to commit genocide out of pure hatred and rage. Especially for revenge X 1 million in response to the horrific Oct. 7 attacks.........which one side continuously uses to justify this.
This is 2025, people! Israel and its partner in genocide, the United States are supposed to be civilized. The world, including our 2 countries, thanks to technology can witness this with extreme detail. Many thousands of horrifying images of the death and destruction. Unimaginable suffering intentionally imposed on 2 million innocent people, the majority being children and women. Details of the unbelievable actions of Israel to cut off water, food, supplies, medicine, power and so on in order to treat them to conditions no better than the concentration camps of Hitler. Forcing them all to move to one location, then forcing them to move to another location as an intentional disruption and psychological tactic to decimate their minds as well as their bodies.
We all see it in vivid details in real time on our computer/tv screens, sometimes within minutes of it happening because of the communications technology that was not available in the 1940s. Those 1940s images are all from history books and history sources. We gasp at THOSE images and wonder how human beings could be so diabolical to commit THOSE atrocities. Then, watch genocide live in 2025 and somehow can't equate it with genocide because our brains have been taught to justify THIS genocide. Hitler used propaganda to perpetrate his genocide. Propaganda is being used in 2025 to perpetrate THIS genocide!!!
Genocide in 2025 is no better than genocide in the 1940's. The circumstances and scale may have been worse in the 1940s but genocide is NOT a relative term. Comparing genocides, if one is not as bad as another does not mean that the less extreme one is not genocide. In this case, the KNOWLEDGE of the genocide in 2025 by everybody based on technology, makes the denial of it so much worse than denial of it in the 1940s. 
The genocide continues to get even worse.
Israel is now executing EVEN MORE health care workers, volunteers and others in Gaza that are there to help the suffering people because they are fighting against the genocide that Israel has imposed.
Medical organisations say Israeli air attacks have hit health services in what could constitute a war crime.
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/31/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-strategy-gaza-future-intl/index.html
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-vows-intensify-pressure-gaza-132246086.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
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Re: Re: Re: The horrific Genocide ramps up
By metmike - Feb. 25, 2024, 7:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102430/#102490
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Defense Logistics Agency
https://www.dla.mil/About-DLA/Images/igphoto/2002289760/
It was liberated by the 80th Division of the U.S. Army!
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How sad that in 2025, the United States, instead of stopping a genocide is colluding with Israel to escalate the tragic genocide in Gaza.
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You can't be against the genocide of Jews but ok with the genocide of Palestinians. and call yourself a humanitarian. Millions of people in the world refused or refuse to call what happened in WW-2 a mass genocide but that doesn't mean it wasn't. It tells us something about THEM.
Calling what's happening in Gaza NOT genocide doesn't make it NOT genocide. Like with the previous,worst genocide in history and Holocaust Deniers, the Gaza genocide deniers have some things in common.
Slaughtering and starving innocent people, mostly children and women for 18 months, none that can fight back and all of them trapped like being in an open prison is a horrific genocide.
But it's 2025 not 1940. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. We see the vivid images. We hear the daily news reports. There is no excuse in this age other than having hate/racism or pretending to be ignorant......or just being ignorant to look the other way or even worse, Justify what is happening in Gaza.
This isn't about me having an opinion and somebody else having a justified opinion that disagrees. This is an indisputable, basic, timeless ethical standard that defines how we should treat other human beings that are different than us. If you disagree with that, YOU ARE WRONG by an extremely wide margin and need to change.
I won't hate or judge you but I will try to HELP YOU!
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Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
Your comparison to the holocaust is gross, and offensive.
I missed the part of WWII where the Jews of Europe amassed a 6000 man invasion of Germany and wantonly slaughtered men, women and children.
Name me one war in history where one of the participants was responsible for feeding the civilians of the enemy they were attacking. Was America feeding Germans or Japanese while bombing Dresden or Tokyo?
Why does Egypt get a pass? Thousands of truck loads of food and medicine go into Gaza through the Israeli/Gaza border. Hamas takes all of it and sells it on the black market for 10 times the price. Zero food and medicine go in through the border from Egypt. There is NOTHING stopping Egypt from helping their Muslim/Arabic speaking brothers in Gaza.
Your comparison to the holocaust is gross, and offensive.
I missed the part of WWII where the Jews of Europe amassed a 6000 man invasion of Germany and wantonly slaughtered men, women and children.
Name me one war in history where one of the participants was responsible for feeding the civilians of the enemy they were attacking. Was America feeding Germans or Japanese while bombing Dresden or Tokyo?
Why does Egypt get a pass? Thousands of truck loads of food and medicine go into Gaza through the Israeli/Gaza border. Hamas takes all of it and sells it on the black market for 10 times the price. Zero food and medicine go in through the border from Egypt. There is NOTHING stopping Egypt from helping their Muslim/Arabic speaking brothers in Gaza.
Thanks, joj!
I figured you wouldn't get it....but I understand and accept that and we agree on MANY more things than disagree on here.
You keep looking for reasons to convince yourself tthat this is NOT a genocide to block out all the authentic facts that MAKE IT a genocide.
As mentioned previously, the scale of the Holocaust was several orders of magnitude greater and the circumstances were MUCH different but genocide............IS GENOCIDE.
If somebody has their body completely dismembered in a cold blooded murder, it doesn't mean that another person that loses both hands because of somebody trying to inflict incredible physical harm to them didn't suffer from a dismembering event and permanent loss to that body from an evil person.
If we have a tornado outbreak that "only" kills 10 people compared to the Great Tri-State tornado outbreak on March 18, 1925 that killed 695 people, it doesn't mean that this time, they weren't real tornadoes(just excessive winds) because of the magnitude differential.
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You want this to be about the scale and the details compared to the WORST genocide in history and for it to have an apples to apples comparison but genocide does not work that way.
Genocide is based on the mentality and actions/objective of the perpetrator. Whether it impacts 10+ million Jews, 6 million killed in WW-2 over a 12 year period by Nazi Germany or 2 million Palestinians in Gaza, deaths still piling up, conditions unimaginable.
They are clearly, by all OBJECTIVE and reasonable standards both genocides. 1 of them WAS much worse than the other.
Before the horrific Oct 7, 2023 murders in Israel, both sides were completely satisfied with the long accepted definition of what genocide is.
Now, since one side is participating in a MAJOR genocide based on hatred, rage and revenge.........absurdly(to the vast majority of the world) justified as "Israel defending itself" that side no longer accepts the long accepted definition of what genocide is.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/109597/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110332/#110362
just so new readers don't fall into the false narrative trap, MIScharacterizing people like me as being motivated by anything other than caring greatly for other human beings that are being persecuted with horrendous crimes against humanity.
I will repeat that I was indoctrinated in a Catholic School/belief system that convinced me that today's Jews are the descendants of God's chosen people, the Israelite's.
I have always greatly admired and loved Jewish people for their talents and work ethic with numerous good friendships thru the years. I consider you and Larry, both Jewish to be my good friends here. I dated Laurie Mazer at the University of Michigan which had the nickname "Jew U" because of the thousands of Jewish students and their influence at U of M.
I speak out against anti antisemitism and all forms of hatred here on a regular basis.........
Including this one, DESPITE what I was raised to believe because the truth is not determined by a person's country, religion, nationality or political party affiliation.
Unquestionably, Netanyahu is a very diabolical man who is leading Israel and the United States in this genocide.
So I parted ways with many of my Jewish and Christian friends on this particular topic, who still adhere to the indoctrination(belief systems), constantly reinforced by the sources they use that makes it very difficult for most people to see the authentic truth.
I always use objective, authentic facts and try hard to avoid opinions based on what I want to be true. ......instead seeking out legit reasons for what I don't want to be true.
Your comparison to the holocaust is gross, and offensive.
joj,
I'm sorry that the truth is offensive to you. As you must know by now, I do my best to avoid offending readers here but with no excuses, one of my missions is to expose deception, debunk conspiracy theories, speak out against injustice and to inform/educate/enlighten people. Never by telling them what they want to hear.
I still remember clearly joj’s post just after the 10/7/23 attack that predicted with confidence that Israel would over-react. He was 100% correct, unfortunately!
Mike do you remember this prediction?
Thanks, Larry!
I do remember and am working on trying to find those old threads. The search engine here requires some creative thinking to come up with just the right words to bring up past posts: SUCCESS!
Hamas Must Go
28 responses |
Started by joj - Nov. 19, 2023, 8:46 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100698/#100794
Racism is a White Man's Problem
22 responses |
Started by joj - Nov. 14, 2023, 10:50 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100571/#100674
Genocide
21 responses |
Started by joj - Nov. 5, 2023, 6:16 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100334/
Gaza
22 responses |
Started by joj - Nov. 11, 2023, 7:54 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100492/
OH, MY!! ISRAEL VS PALESTINE
29 responses |
Started by 12345 - Oct. 29, 2023, 4:32 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100094/
Gaza humanitarian crisis
56 responses |
Started by metmike - Oct. 21, 2023, 2:47 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99850/
Israel
54 responses |
Started by metmike - Oct. 7, 2023, 2:23 a.m
. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99469/
Hate(and love)
22 responses |
Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
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Here's another:
Jewish People
10 responses |
Started by joj - Aug. 21, 2023, 7:43 a.m.
Hey Mike, thanks for finding the old thread. So, there’s the joj post on 10/7/23:
“Hamas is being condemned by most of the international community. Within 3 days Israel will be condemned by the same countries for using excessive force in its response.”
Bingo!
We make a great team when remembering and retrieving previous statements here.
There’s very little I can update with that would shock anybody.
Genocide is now just an accepted “business as usual” news story.
27 killed here, 15 dead there. 110 innocent new victims. 35 children and women. They are all numbers on our screens with no meaning about the destroyed human lives those numbers represent.
The starvation and destruction of everything. How can the shock value get worse when it’s already a 10 out of 10 on the shock value scale and has been there for most of the past 1.5 years?
compared to 2 years ago, this is a jaw dropping humanitarian crisis.
compared to yesterday or last week or even a year ago……it’s the same story.
After awhile we except extremes as normal when every single day is extreme.
That’s exactly what the perpetrators of these heinous crimes want.
Minimal resistance so they can continue the genocide of Palestinians living in Gaza.
Recently, with 1 million times more hullabaloo defending an illegal immigrant and MS-13 gang member deported out of the United States than to defend 2,000,000 INNOCENT people that are being persecuted, starved and killed because they are Palestinians.
Selectively choosing who to support based, not on ethical standards or human rights but on politics, racism and a really messed up, pathological mentality. That to a huge extent is dictated to us by message gatekeepers driven by personal agendas and self enrichment.
The all powerful military-industrial-political-media complex still controls the world.
Propaganda is only propaganda to those that don’t believe it.
To everybody else…….its the truth.