1994 Agreement on Ukraine Nukes
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Started by joj - March 30, 2025, 7:28 a.m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these weapons to Russia for dismantlement and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for economic compensation and assurances from Russia, the United States and United Kingdom to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[6][7] Years later, Russia, one of the parties to the agreement, invaded Ukraine.


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By metmike - March 30, 2025, 9:01 a.m.
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Thanks, joj!

This is very true and a solid point.

This is also true:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/#110574

Did NATO promise Russia never to expand to the east? | DW News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt-WXTLIZM

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December 12, 2017                                    

Documents show Gorbachev was assured US wouldn't expand NATO into Central and Eastern Europe

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/documents-show-gorbachev-was-assured-us-wouldnt-ex

 U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University

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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/#110278

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NATO's propaganda machine(military-industrial-political-media complex) keeps manufacturing a Russia boogyman threat. That RUSSIA is a major threat to invade Europe. Over and over they repeat this nonsense.

1 look at the NATO expansion map below tells us that its NATO expanding NOT Russia. The diametrically opposed polar opposite of the fake threat that we are told about to justify this.

Should Russia be concerned?

Is the sun hot?

Is water wet?

Does NATO/the military-industrial-policital-media complex steal our intelligence with their manufactured, fake realities to accomplish their agenda and enrich themselves?

How should the U.S. view its alliances? The past, the present, and the future of U.S. alliances

https://cvafoundation.org/how-should-united-states-view-alliances-us-allies/


Look how far east Ukraine is on this map, along the Russia border.  Putin drew the red line and insisted that he would never let NATO expand into Ukraine. In late 2021, as NATO continued to insist they were expanding in Ukraine, Putin said he would stop them with an invasion and insisted on negotiations to get an assurance this would not happen.

Joe Biden told Putin to take a hike and STOPPED the negotiations. Instead telling  his puppet, Zelensky that with the US providing all the weapons and Zelensky sacrificing his army for the NATO cause, together they would defeat Russia in a war fought for NATO membership. 

WHO WON THE WAR? WHO LOST THE WAR?  How is this not crystal clear by every possible standard and definition?

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/#110559


We should have negotiated with Russia in 2021 instead of deciding to fight a war for NATO.

Where was Donald Trump when these key decisions were being made?

Who seems to be the only one doing something to TRY to bring peace to Ukrainians?

Do Ukrainians want peace? Or do they want to fight and die forever for a pipe dream of getting into NATO?

Their deaths, very sadly have been meaningless(to the outcome of the war), counter productive deaths to this point. Let's start focusing on SAVING LIVES, (of brave soldiers ON BOTH SIDES and stop the permanent, DEVASTATING losses their families take) INSTEAD OF the political agenda of NATO-the military-industrial-political-media complex using them as pawns.

Forget the propaganda monopoly of our news about Ukraine. Use critical thinking and compassion/empathy for humanity to trump that.

We are NOT going to defeat Putin. Ukraine is NOT going to get into NATO. The war is going to end at some point. Why not make it sooner than later to reduce the human suffering/casualties?

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                Started by joj - March 1, 2025, 8:09 a.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/

By metmike - March 30, 2025, 10:01 a.m.
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More typical main stream media toxic propaganda stealing our intelligence by elevating this nonsense to headline (fake) news with glorified Zelensky always elevated as  a credible source to quote:

Putin's imminent death is a 'fact' as Zelensky lists Russian President's 'fears'

But Zelensky says Putin has ambitions to attack five other European nations before he dies. It comes as Putin has been given a stern warning as Ukraine peace talks ramp up and a pro-Russia TV star has been killed.

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Hogwash fiction!

More nonsense from Newsweek, which is a source that I use more than any other ones here(I actually have a service that sends me all their new articles). This time, they are playing up another really bad military decision(designed for the military-industrial-media complex to make more money at the expense of more human beings forced to die for them from the worst military leaders in human history:

Ukraine War Map Reveals New Breakthrough Inside Russia

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-belgorod-map-ukraine-2052545

Ukrainian troops have made marginal gains in Russia's Belgorod region, it has been reported, as a map shows the state of play along the front line.

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Let's all cheer for any escalation in fighting deaths and losses to families on both sides with the fake impression that it means something good for Ukraine. In real world, it's always just worse than before.....except for the self enriching military-industrial-political-media message gatekeepers in cahoots with NATO.

Now, let's take you to the REAL world.

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Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682


Putin suggests putting Ukraine under UN-sponsored external governance

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-putin-zelenskyy-866a2541b7e296cf48a8ea6a2c15dd1d

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        Russia has ‘seized the upper hand’ in Ukraine war, intel community warns                                                                                         

An annual intelligence assessment of global threats also questions both countries’ willingness to reach a quick settlement to the war.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/25/russia-has-seized-the-upper-hand-in-ukraine-war-intel-community-warns-00247753

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2025%20Annual%20Threat%20Assessment%20of%20the%20U.S.%20Intelligence%20Community.pdf

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In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a sharp surge in desertion after the defeat in the Kursk region — "Resident"

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/28/in-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-a-sharp-surge-in-desertion-after-the-defeat-in-the-kursk-region-resident

After the defeat in the Kursk region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine recorded a sharp increase in desertion — according to unofficial data, up to 40% of personnel over the past month.
Подробнее:
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/28/in-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-a-sharp-surge-in-desertion-after-the-defeat-in-the-kursk-region-resident

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Previous news that the MSM UNDER reports:

Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine’s forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia

Updated 11:24 PM CDT, November 28, 2024

https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0

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Number of Ukrainian Soldiers Accused of Abandoning Positions Soars

Updated Dec 02, 2024

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-desertion-russia-war-1993760


By metmike - April 1, 2025, 1:53 p.m.
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Ukraine to reject any peace deal that weakens its position, says Ukraine’s Foreign Minister

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-to-reject-any-peace-deal-that-weakens-its-position-says-ukraine-s-foreign-minister/ar-AA1BXjjG?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=92e9bceea20a46e1e15b6d3b93bddf24&ei=10

"Russian demands and ultimatums have remained unchanged over the years. Russia wants to limit Ukraine’s army, defense capabilities, and military assistance from partners and block Ukraine’s accession to NATO," Sybiha said.

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So be it. Insisting they would get into NATO and defeat Russia is how this all got started over 3 years ago, when they could have just agreed to not let NATO in BEFORE the war.  But they "rejected any peace deal that weakens it's position" back then.

How has that turned out?

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/

When you are  continuing to let many of the same, worst military leaders in the history of humanity make decisions, every decision keeps making it worse. In this case, NATO is making the decisions (and still controlling Zelensky) without Biden to assist them.

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Germany Deploys Troops on Russia's Doorstep for First Time Since World War II

https://www.msn.com/en-us/war-and-conflicts/military-organizations/germany-deploys-troops-on-russia-s-doorstep-for-first-time-since-world-war-ii/ar-AA1C4I6y

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As the MSM continues to mislead with blatant propaganda that serves the interests of NATO and the military-industrial-policial-media complex NOT the people. Can you say "enemy of the people?"

They just don't get it or don't want to get it. This is about NATO getting Ukraine. As long as NATO and Ukraine continue to blabber on about their demands for NATO to get Ukraine, Putin will continue to do what he's been doing BECAUSE OF THAT POSITION. This isn't rocket science.

Ukraine, Zelensky, NATO and the MEDIA need to stop the NATO in Ukraine nonsense or this will keep getting worse and worse for Ukraine.

Ukrainians WANT PEACE, not NATO. For once, give the most weighting to the people/brave soldiers and their families, you're sending on suicide missions to fight for YOUR war. 


Putin’s all-in moment: Why the world can’t afford to blink

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-all-in-moment-why-the-world-can-t-afford-to-blink/ar-AA1BZmxV

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"enemy of the people"

By metmike - April 2, 2025, 2:30 p.m.
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Kremlin Responds to Donald Trump's Angry Remarks on Putin

https://www.newsweek.com/kremlin-responds-trump-angry-remarks-putin-2052959