https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
In 1994, Ukraine agreed to transfer these weapons to Russia for dismantlement and became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, in exchange for economic compensation and assurances from Russia, the United States and United Kingdom to respect the Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.[6][7] Years later, Russia, one of the parties to the agreement, invaded Ukraine.
Thanks, joj!
This is very true and a solid point.
This is also true:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/#110574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt-WXTLIZM
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December 12, 2017
https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/documents-show-gorbachev-was-assured-us-wouldnt-ex
U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/#110278
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NATO's propaganda machine(military-industrial-political-media complex) keeps manufacturing a Russia boogyman threat. That RUSSIA is a major threat to invade Europe. Over and over they repeat this nonsense.
1 look at the NATO expansion map below tells us that its NATO expanding NOT Russia. The diametrically opposed polar opposite of the fake threat that we are told about to justify this.
Should Russia be concerned?
Is the sun hot?
Is water wet?
Does NATO/the military-industrial-policital-media complex steal our intelligence with their manufactured, fake realities to accomplish their agenda and enrich themselves?
https://cvafoundation.org/how-should-united-states-view-alliances-us-allies/
Look how far east Ukraine is on this map, along the Russia border. Putin drew the red line and insisted that he would never let NATO expand into Ukraine. In late 2021, as NATO continued to insist they were expanding in Ukraine, Putin said he would stop them with an invasion and insisted on negotiations to get an assurance this would not happen.
Joe Biden told Putin to take a hike and STOPPED the negotiations. Instead telling his puppet, Zelensky that with the US providing all the weapons and Zelensky sacrificing his army for the NATO cause, together they would defeat Russia in a war fought for NATO membership.
WHO WON THE WAR? WHO LOST THE WAR? How is this not crystal clear by every possible standard and definition?
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/#110559
We should have negotiated with Russia in 2021 instead of deciding to fight a war for NATO.
Where was Donald Trump when these key decisions were being made?
Who seems to be the only one doing something to TRY to bring peace to Ukrainians?
Do Ukrainians want peace? Or do they want to fight and die forever for a pipe dream of getting into NATO?
Their deaths, very sadly have been meaningless(to the outcome of the war), counter productive deaths to this point. Let's start focusing on SAVING LIVES, (of brave soldiers ON BOTH SIDES and stop the permanent, DEVASTATING losses their families take) INSTEAD OF the political agenda of NATO-the military-industrial-political-media complex using them as pawns.
Forget the propaganda monopoly of our news about Ukraine. Use critical thinking and compassion/empathy for humanity to trump that.
We are NOT going to defeat Putin. Ukraine is NOT going to get into NATO. The war is going to end at some point. Why not make it sooner than later to reduce the human suffering/casualties?
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Started by joj - March 1, 2025, 8:09 a.m.
More typical main stream media toxic propaganda stealing our intelligence by elevating this nonsense to headline (fake) news with glorified Zelensky always elevated as a credible source to quote:
But Zelensky says Putin has ambitions to attack five other European nations before he dies. It comes as Putin has been given a stern warning as Ukraine peace talks ramp up and a pro-Russia TV star has been killed.
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Hogwash fiction!
More nonsense from Newsweek, which is a source that I use more than any other ones here(I actually have a service that sends me all their new articles). This time, they are playing up another really bad military decision(designed for the military-industrial-media complex to make more money at the expense of more human beings forced to die for them from the worst military leaders in human history:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-belgorod-map-ukraine-2052545
Ukrainian troops have made marginal gains in Russia's Belgorod region, it has been reported, as a map shows the state of play along the front line.
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Let's all cheer for any escalation in fighting deaths and losses to families on both sides with the fake impression that it means something good for Ukraine. In real world, it's always just worse than before.....except for the self enriching military-industrial-political-media message gatekeepers in cahoots with NATO.
Now, let's take you to the REAL world.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-putin-zelenskyy-866a2541b7e296cf48a8ea6a2c15dd1d
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An annual intelligence assessment of global threats also questions both countries’ willingness to reach a quick settlement to the war.
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After the defeat in the Kursk region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine recorded a sharp increase in desertion — according to unofficial data, up to 40% of personnel over the past month.
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/28/in-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-a-sharp-surge-in-desertion-after-the-defeat-in-the-kursk-region-resident
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Previous news that the MSM UNDER reports:
Updated 11:24 PM CDT, November 28, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0
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Updated Dec 02, 2024
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-desertion-russia-war-1993760
"Russian demands and ultimatums have remained unchanged over the years. Russia wants to limit Ukraine’s army, defense capabilities, and military assistance from partners and block Ukraine’s accession to NATO," Sybiha said.
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So be it. Insisting they would get into NATO and defeat Russia is how this all got started over 3 years ago, when they could have just agreed to not let NATO in BEFORE the war. But they "rejected any peace deal that weakens it's position" back then.
How has that turned out?
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110205/
When you are continuing to let many of the same, worst military leaders in the history of humanity make decisions, every decision keeps making it worse. In this case, NATO is making the decisions (and still controlling Zelensky) without Biden to assist them.
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As the MSM continues to mislead with blatant propaganda that serves the interests of NATO and the military-industrial-policial-media complex NOT the people. Can you say "enemy of the people?"
They just don't get it or don't want to get it. This is about NATO getting Ukraine. As long as NATO and Ukraine continue to blabber on about their demands for NATO to get Ukraine, Putin will continue to do what he's been doing BECAUSE OF THAT POSITION. This isn't rocket science.
Ukraine, Zelensky, NATO and the MEDIA need to stop the NATO in Ukraine nonsense or this will keep getting worse and worse for Ukraine.
Ukrainians WANT PEACE, not NATO. For once, give the most weighting to the people/brave soldiers and their families, you're sending on suicide missions to fight for YOUR war.
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"enemy of the people"
https://www.newsweek.com/kremlin-responds-trump-angry-remarks-putin-2052959
Ex-MI6 head Richard Dearlove warned Trump that rushing into a truce and giving Russia concessions could pose grave danger to the West.
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Another NATO no nothing that feeds us constant propaganda with the desire of the war going as long as possible and NATO finally getting Ukraine. Feeding us complete bull about Russia invading Europe next as if Putin would think that he can defeat all of NATO, the most absurd lie of all.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-war-map-donetsk-russia-gains-slow-2056359
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Their position is that Ukraine should continue to fight and lose more territory in a war they lost and have 0 chance to win or even make gains in because Russia is winning 1 sided battles and taking land at a slower pace then 4 months ago( which was at an incredibly fast rate after most of Ukraine's army just basically gave up and deserted.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-belgorod-incursion-zelensky-2056750
Ukraine has lost much of the territory it gained during its incursion into Russia's Kursk region last August which had been intended as leverage in peace negotiations.
Kyiv's forces then moved into Belgorod, further south, which also borders Ukraine and Zelensky's admission of this shows he wants to amplify the message that his country is very much in the fight, despite setbacks in peace negotiations.
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The military leaders on Ukraine's side the past 3+ years have been THE worst in human history. Making nothing but bad, then worse, then even worse, then even worse yet decisions, 1 after the other. Now comes the dumbest ones yet.
They know the war is lost but the politicians and gatekeepers making these decisions and reporting them are all being enriched by the military-industrial-military-media complex. The longer the war goes on, the more the enrichment lasts. The amount of corruption in Ukraine has also soared higher with many millions of unaccounted for US money gushing in that's going into the hands of politicians.
Ukrainians have always wanted peace. They voted for Zelensky in 2019 because he promised to negotiate for peace with Russia. Instead, he betrayed them and send Ukrainians on suicide missions for NATO and the military-industrial-political-media complex.
Most of Ukraines army deserting tells us they don't want to fight for NATO anymore THEY WANT PEACE!
Zelensky also knows that if the war ends, his excuse to prevent elections will be over and his term, that expired a year ago will likely end too.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-6-2025
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Every map shows that Ukraine was decimated and without much army left. One only needs to apply critical thinking to appreciate its always going to be more and more losses for Ukraine, regardless of the rate of losses........faster or slower, its STILL more lost land. More wounded and dead people. More families losing members. More destroyed infastructure that needs to be rebuilt.
What is the point of doing this for Ukraine?
NATO will never get Ukraine. Stop this ludicrous idea and negotiate for peace.
Putin is NOT going to stop until Zelensky stops insisting on a path to NATO and insists on really dumb military decisions. Puppet Zelensky is not going to concede until the NATO/European countries stop controlling him
Trump had legitimate control of him earlier this year and much progress could have been made for peace......but then NATO did a full court press to regain control of THEIR puppet man.
Putin is a very evil man but we know how to make him stop.
No, NOT defeating him on the battlefield.
Agreeing to his demand that NATO will NOT get Ukraine!
All this would have been avoided if Biden hadn't intentionally shut down the negotiations with Putin in late 2021 and told Zelensky that with the US supporting Ukraine, they would defeat Russia, then Ukraine would get into NATO and they would be protected forever and ever.
Biden was the worst president in US history but Trump is on a path to take that title away.
Mike said, “Biden was the worst president in US history”
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Hey Mike,
Of course, this is just your opinion, one which you already know I and many peoplevdon’t at all share and never have.
Thanks much, Larry!
However, its interesting to note that you WILL agree with me, that Trump is the worst president in history.
In fact, strongly agree with me on that.
While at the same time, the Rs here and most other places, strongly agree with me that Biden was the worst president during his 4 years., while at the same time very strongly disagree with me on anything Trump………..exactly where you and I have the strongest of agreement.
Don’t you think that’s fascinating?
Thats what happens at an ANTI echo chamber where the moderator doesn’t tell readers/posters what they want to read or what they wish were true.
He tries(to the best of his ability)to use authentic, objective, apolitical facts for assessments and opinions.
Making mistakes along the way and learning things too.
I learned a lot about carbon credits today, thanks to a cutworm post.
ive learned many things from you too. Stratospheric warming information, stock market stats recently. Weather and natural gas statics galore.
As always, posts like yours that disagree with me that come with solid reasoning are still my favorite.
Those are the best for learning.
A group of people that know all the same things and have the same opinions and hang out at echo chambers to repeat what they think they know to each other is the closed minded recipe for NOT learning.
Larry,
Even though I’m responding to your post, let me be clear that you are extremely open minded, independent and unbiased on everything(other than Trump but almost nobody is unbiased on (trump) so don’t let me unintentionally give any other impression.
i understand why you don’t think Biden was the worst president ever.
when you do disagree with somebody here, you make me happy to have people like you here that always show tremendous respect in every conversation.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5249294-steve-witkoff-russia-ukraine-peace-talks/
NATO will need to let go of their objective of getting all of Ukraine and convincing Zelensky to sacrifice his soldiers for NATO (and its future protection of Ukraine from Russia).
This was the main issue that started the war. Putin DID invade but he was preventing NATO from expanding into Ukraine and Zelensky/Biden told him to go ahead and invade, negotiations are over and we will defeat you in the war for NATO.
They lost!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-warns-against-rushing-ukraine-121243732.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall
Trump, who promised on the campaign trail to strike a deal between Moscow and Kyiv in 24 hours, has failed since his return to office three months ago to wrangle concessions from Russian President Vladimir Putin to halt his troops' offensive in Ukraine.
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The MSM hates it that Trump might bring peace to Ukraine and continually tells us that he's a failure because he didn't do it in 24 hours.........as if we believed that and as if that's the correct standard to judge him by.............NOT!
If Trump brings peace to Ukraine, he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, regardless of the fact that I think he's mentally ill and making extremely damaging decisions to everybody related to his delusional tariffs scheme.