Seems Pres Trump may have really tied Musk's hand when he sent him on the mission impossible to pacify the left. Did you know current gov data shows that right at 40% of all waste fraud and abuse in big gov programs in is medicare and medicade? And just where was Musk not allowed to look for waste fraud and abuse, well right there of course. As you know Musk was a poster boy for the libs, right up until he went to work for Trump looking for waste, fraud and abuse. He and his brilliant tem did an incredible job finding billion after billion but take the chains off these guys and it would of been trillions.
Sad to say the left is still standing strong right there hoping there policies to wreck America will somehow become common again.
Thanks, mcfarm!
https://nypost.com/2025/05/04/us-news/musk-does-not-regret-doge-work-in-trump-administration/
I was for DOGE in the beginning and willing to give Musk the benefit of the doubt for the first couple of months despite my knowing who he his.
We MUST reduce the deficit and I thought this is what Trump/Musk were all about but I was really wrong about them and admitting it now.
This is a pretty reliable source even if it leans left:
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/above-the-law/
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Previous thread related to this:
NWS/NOAA major cuts to efficient life saving org would be stupid/
Started by WxFollower - Feb. 27, 2025, 1:36 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110166/
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After seeing all the lies related to the cuts and thinking about how many were just stupid AND costly, including those related to key services in the NWS, I'm thinking that the idea behind doing this was terrific but the implementation and counter productive cuts that were mistakes and some that actually COST more money than they saved has caused me to change my mind about them.
Maybe in the long run(years) they could pay off but not this year.
And what was the objective of saving money?
Apparently not to reduce the deficit. If not, then it's just a shell game using the money.
Trump's bill passes the House
Started by metmike - May 22, 2025, 11:41 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/112048/
Based on their actions, this is NOT an administration trying to reduce the massive deficit!
If the deficit will still grow alot from excessive spending, then all they did was take money away, partly to pay people to do actual jobs that performed actual services(mostly beneficial) and moved it to other areas where the money isn't paying people to perform services.
So we are getting LESS for that supposedly saved money and paying even MORE in other areas.
Please give me the authentic evidence of that not being the case.
One thing I know for fact. America does not have a revenue problem, we have and have had for decades upon decades, a spending problem
Another thing related to this.
I've clearly established, with many dozens of examples that President Trump is mentally ill and has pathological thinking, driven by his delusions of grandeur mentality as the most powerful man in the world.
Elon Musk suffers from a similar but much less severe condition. Musk, playing a huge role in getting Trump elected saw this as an opportunity for him to exploit the situation for his advantage and to satisfy this desire that his condition causes.
When it comes to so many government employees being fired it reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nuzUtA2PL1E
I know that this was extremely appealing to the psyche of Musk and Trump's which embraces versions of themselves as being omnipotent with nobody to answer to but there were clear, massive causalities to this.
MAGA loves the version of Trump on this video but is blinded about the negative impact that he is having on real people.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/layoffs-job-cuts-march-2025-third-highest-ever-recorded-doge/
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While MAGA is celebrating this, depicting these government workers as if they are evil adversaries trying to destroy our country they completely miss some key elements.
1. These were human beings, most working hard performing productive services that were dependent on these jobs for income to make ends meet. To raise their families in many cases.
2. Now, many are collecting GOVERNMENT assistance in the form of unemployment TO DO NOTHING. I thought Trump was all about REDUCING that?
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/112048/
3. Trump's absurd, delusional tariffs scheme will NEVER bring all the manufacturing jobs back to the United States that he claims. This is a complete fairy tale!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/112084/
So he has a job fairy tale promise vs the actual jobs of people performing services that he eliminated.
I get that there is TONS of government waste that should be cut and some of the cuts that Musk made were good. However, Musk had ZERO oversight and he abused that to impose some really bad cuts that hurt many important programs(that were making the world a better place), departments and people.
Had Musk had an objective person overlooking and monitoring his decisions, he would have been greatly reigned in using MUCH better, objective judgement and critical thinking.
Not the obsessive, pathological cutting from an omnipotent (loose cannon) person that had ZERO oversight.
― Robert Ingersoll
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So, have Trump and Musk been like President Lincoln?
Or have they been the complete opposite of President Lincoln?
Those are rhetorical questions because the answer is obvious.
One thing I know for fact. America does not have a revenue problem, we have and have had for decades upon decades, a spending problem
mcfarm,
I agree 100%! There are many billions in wasteful spending. That's why the idea of DOGE was a great one. Unfortunately, the implementation of it was done by 2 very flawed people.
We also agree on the National debt crushing us, I assume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fODfbJG30YU Musk and Co spent many more hours on stuff like this fiasco than firing under employed and stay at home fed workers
For sure, mcfarm, for sure.
Biden and the DS couldn’t get the absurd climate bill passed initially, so they renamed it to the even more absurd “inflation reduction act”
The biggest inflation CAUSING bill in history.
Hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on FAKE green energy and CRONY CAPITALISM.
Thats the type of government waste and corruption that is great to eliminate!
The massive cash transfer from taxpayers to private firms under the guise of environmentalism creates an overwhelming and undue burden on taxpayers who continue to pay for fiscally irresponsible federal spending.
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/budgetary-cost-inflation-reduction-acts-energy-subsidies#
A contentious point of debate surrounding the passage of the IRA was its budgetary impact—how much liability American taxpayers would have to take on to subsidize clean energy. Various governmental and nongovernmental organizations estimated fiscal costs that turned out to be too low and that they later revised upward.
Using a transparent budget scoring methodology, we estimate that the energy subsidies in the act will cost between $936 billion and $1.97 trillion over the next 10 years, and between $2.04 trillion and $4.67 trillion by 2050. This estimate is substantial because several of the IRA’s largest subsidies are uncapped.