https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd
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I think that many people are confused about what/who George Floyd represents.
George Floyd was NOT a hero that we should look up to. People/Organizations that interpret him as such are mischaracterizing him.
However, people/organizations that feel his crummy life doesn't qualify him to represent anything are especially wrong.
There are millions that feel this way:
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To me, George Floyd was a human being. Maybe he belonged in jail, right? Some people that commit heinous crimes(not Floyd) belong in prison and the legal justice system might even decide to take their life, give them the death penalty.
However, as a human being, he deserved to be treated as a HUMAN BEING.
Not blurred, distorted interpretations of what a human being deserves ........a HUMAN BEING with basic, GOD GIVEN rights.
Until those rights are taken away by our legal justice system(with proper representation and due process), they are:
https://actionaid.org/opinions/2019/human-rights-universal-inalienable-and-indivisible
On 10 December 1948 the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). This declaration was an effort to ensure that the abuses and atrocities against human dignity – such as those perpetrated by the Nazis – would never take place again. Human rights are universal, inherent to every individual without discrimination; inalienable, meaning that no one can take them away; indivisible and interrelated, with all rights having equal status and being necessary to protect human dignity.
The cop that committed the cold blooded murder of George Floyd violated his most basic right as a human being.
I respect and support cops. They have the toughest jobs in the world.
They risk their lives and have constant encounters with riff-raff, like George Floyd.
Their street smarts give them a keen awareness and understanding which can aid them in rooting out criminals and crime.
Sometimes, what is labeled as profiling, is just being a smart cop using their well developed instincts.
However, its human nature that this can lead to a desensitization. Worrying too much about whether they might violate a suspects rights would produce a cop that doesn't survive very long in the more dangerous realms.
Most people could never be good cops, even it they tried. I admire them tremendously and am very grateful for what they do for society as we all should be.
However, being a cop gives them enormous power on the job. As well as enormous trust from us that they will use good judgment as they use that power in the world.
The VAST majority of cops meet and even EXCEED our expectations. Countless examples of sacrifice and bravery never make the news and so they are very under appreciated.
Then, there are cops like Derek Chauvin. Bad apples in a profession that has so much power that they can literally use it to be judge, jury and executioner on the job.
Bad cops, though the small minority that are racist or that abuse their power to take advantage of HUMAN BEINGS. Abusing the basic rights of HUMAN BEINGS in a way that make THEM the criminals.
Cops, like in other professions have flawed men and women working the jobs. We should always try harder to eliminate those types of cops because they make ALL COPS look bad. I believe that we have come a long way in doing that.
1. Better training
2. Mandatory body cams that record their encounters with bad guys that act as technological witnesses to their behavior/actions.
3. Having their police departments holding them accountable. Having the justice system hold them accountable. Having society hold them accountable, when they abuse their power and violate the rights of people they encounter.
4. When they do their jobs as trained, which is almost all the time, body cams PROTECT THEM by serving as the technological, indisputable witness that testifies to the authenticity of their version of the encounters.
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During the cases when they hurt people, we should recognize their victims AS HUMAN BEINGS. Not because the victim led an admirable life (they probably didn't if there was a physical encounter with a cop) but for the sole reason of them being HUMAN BEINGS.
There are thousands of other George Floyd's in our country that we have never heard about. Today is a day to especially remind ourselves of this. To remember and embrace all these facts above.
People that have an encounter with a bad cop(s). Maybe they were guilty, maybe they were not. Maybe they gave resistance and/or displayed tremendous disrespect
I'm NOT referring to those that were armed or were a serious threat to the cop or others at that time which justified lethal force to stop the threat.
George Floyd represents all of them!
The ones that had their basic rights as human beings stripped away by bad cops, profoundly abusing their power because they judged or hated them.
We should not forget that these people have families that suffer too.
When somebody is seriously harmed or killed because of hatred or because of the color of their skin, their nationality, religion, sexual orientation or even political beliefs it hurts everybody that cares about that person.
Their families, friends and others. The loss of their loved one is devastating and permanent in the case of George Floyd.
A cop sees the person on the street as somebody they need to confront and arrest. That person has a family. It may be children or parents or friends that care about them. Doing harm to that person hurts the entire family that cares about them.
That's part of being a human being. We all have families that care about us. Even flawed members of families are still loved and cared about by those that actually know them.
George Floyd is an example of one such person that represents the PERMANENT loss his entire family suffered. They still mourn for him today, 5 years later. It's especially difficult to accept the loss of a loved one when it comes from an unjustified act targeting that person because of a hate crime.
The 2 Jewish people killed in cold blood last week are another example in a different realm.
Hate crimes!
Killed because of their ethnicity/religion. George Floyd was killed because of the color of his skin. Others are killed or attacked because of their sexual orientation. Or their political affiliation. Hate crimes perpetrated on people because they are different than us/them.
It doesn't matter how important they are. All human beings have the same basic, inalienable rights. George Floyd didn't earn this status of recognition on this date by what he did while living. He didn't ask for this or want this.
His choice was to live.
Derek Chauvin decided to take away George's choice and right to live because of hatred.
This is what makes George Floyd unique as the perfect representative for all human beings that share being FLAWED members of the human race with him.
Hate(and love)
Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52n1emoMfMU there is another side to the story. Many things the public did not get to hear or understand.
Thanks, mcfarm!
I'm really glad that you brought this up again because there are still people like you that belief that Chauvin is innocent because of the propaganda like this.
Fortunately, I spent many hundreds of hours gathering OBJECTIVE facts back in 2020 and later to provide the TRUTH. And will address every point in this video........again to obliterate this convincing sounding nonsense.
1. To start with, in this video they show George Floyd saying he can't breath BEFORE Chauvin put his weight on Floyd's neck and claim that means Floyd's condition was not caused by the knee on the neck.
2. Then they show that this was a training technique to disable people that were resisting.
Time to put on our common sense, critical thinking caps. Those statements actually PROVE that Chauvin killed him.
If a person is already struggling to breath as they contend, if you believe them, then what they should receive is medical assistance. Instead, Chauvin did the exact opposite and put much of the weight of his body on his neck FOR MORE THAN 9 MINUTES. This would likely have killed a person that didn't have compromised breathing but its a no brainer death sentence for somebody that already had compromised breathing.
We had the video showing he did that. We had the video of Floyd crying out that he can't breathe in the beginning and crying out for mercy and crying out for his Mama. The actual video has been taken down by I watched it at least 20 times before that.
It showed Chauvin keeping a significantly heavy weight on Floyd's neck, focused on a very small area the size of his knee....... until he stopped crying out because he went from barely struggling to breath to UNABLE TO BREATH. LONG, LONG after he had been subdued and was a threat Chauvin kept his knee on his neck until it was on a lifeless body that had completely stopped breathing, then he kept it on for severel more minutes after that.
Previously, we heard that the Fentanyl killed him not the knee on his neck.
Again, we watched the murder weapon on tape being applied to a man struggling to breathe and crying out that he couldn't breathe.
If what they claim was true, that the Fentanyl did it is this how cops are trained to treat people that are having drug overdoses or struggling to breathe? Wrestle them to a position where their face is on the ground and kneel on their neck until they clearly DIE as we all saw and the bystanders witnessed and called him out for?
Chauvin was a cop long enough to see the huge body he was kneeling on had stopped breathing. You can absolutely tell the difference between when somebody is struggling to suck in O2 and when their lungs are no longer able to inhale and exhale. Especially when you are in contact with that body and focused on nothing else.
EVERYBODY ON THE STREET KNEW IT!
His responsibility and LEGIT training at that point was to save the man's life by getting off of his neck and giving him CPR and calling the medics.
Instead, he kept the knee on his lifeless body for 4 minutes after that body stopped breathing.........until he knew he was beyond bringing back to life. What he didn't realize is that there was a camera recording the entire thing for over 9 minutes. Without the camera from the witness, Derek Chauvin would likely have gotten off.
This is why body cams are so important for cops today. They are technological witnesses to what REALLY happened. In most cases, they serve to back up the cops story. However, in cases like this, they bust bad cops and convict cops that commit cold blooded murder like Derek Chauvin did. It's all on that tape.
I'll provide all the evidence of this next.
BTW, there are a dozens of video's similar to mcfarm's video out there that I've watched before that defy the authentic facts as stated above and instead, twist other facts to make it appear as if this wasn't Chauvin's fault.
This is just another example of how people can go to whatever source they want to in order to get information that confirms what they want to believe. NOT the truth but what they want to believe. Just because those sites exist that violate the authentic facts and truth doesn't mean they are valid.
What it means is that society is loaded with politically motivated people that sell convincing looking/sounding political snake oil, some being racists in this case that attract other like minded people who WILL NEVER FACT CHECK THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BELIEVE IT.
A rule that defines peoples cognitive bias is that people only fact check things they don't want to believe and almost always give a free pass to things that they want to believe. This is the quintessential example of it!
As you can tell by my posting here, I do not have a political affiliation. Am an independent, objective scientist that always uses the scientific method to discern truths and bust disinformation and conspiracy theories/lies......from BOTH sides.
1.5 years ago, Jean watched a video that sounded even more convincing than this one(there are dozens out there).
You and her wanted to believe that one too. We are good friends, mcfarm but I'm telling you in the most certain terms possible.........you guys were/are being bamboozled by these dishonest videos. This is part of why I started this thread, knowing this convincing sounding bs is out there.
The thread below covers everything pretty well, along with several links to other threads that covered the authentic facts which, not coincidentally only people from 1 political party at MarketForum and elsewhere refuse to believe.
THE FALL OF MINNEAPOLIS
26 responses |
Started by 12345 - Nov. 18, 2023, 6:51 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100692/
"The Whole George Floyd Story Was A Lie": Tucker Carlson
Started by metmike - Oct. 21, 2023, 3:50 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99855/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88909/#88941
Latest on the George Floyd legal case
14 responses |
Started by GunterK - March 19, 2021, 9:01 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/66867/
Derek Chauvin trial
61 responses |
Started by metmike - March 29, 2021, 10:39 p.m.
Chauvin verdict reached
36 responses |
Started by metmike - April 20, 2021, 4:13 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/68270/
Please feel free to bring up any specific points that you think were not completely covered.
Here's part of the police body cam version.
They took the recording from the witness of Chauvin executing George Floyd off the internet because it was so upsetting to so many people,
Note the reaction of the witnesses at the 15 minute mark. EVERYBODY at the scene could clearly see what was happening. The recording of them doesn't lie.
https://www.twincities.com/2021/03/08/george-floyd-video-derek-chauvin-trial-rocks-world3838220/
The witnessed video of the murder shows Chauvin kneeling with much of his body weight on Floyd's neck for over 9 minutes. The last 4+ minutes, Floyd is completely unresponsive even while the knee continues on his neck.
I watched it dozens of times before it was removed. Observing a cold blooded murder each time!
No wonder this was so upsetting to millions of people.
Unfortunately, with that being removed, it opens the door for some really despicable, biased, snake oil selling people to poison the minds of politically closed minded people that want to believe Chauvin was innocent and Floyd caused his own death.
They twist numerous facts and spin up a bogus explanation using "alternative" facts while completely discarding the most relevant, no brainer ones.
Focusing 91.5+ lbs directly on anybody's neck is likely going to cause them to stop breathing. Add the fact that his breathing was already compromised that they knew about and its a death sentence.
Especially when he stopped breathing and EVERYBODY at the scene knew he had stopped breathing and instead of checking his pulse, Chauvin made sure that he was dead long enough so that CPR(that they never used) would no longer be effective. .....by kneeling on his neck for another 4 minutes.
9 minutes and 29 seconds like this, the last half of which he had completely stopped responding/breathing.
AI Overview
If breathing stops, death is likely to occur within a few minutes. Specifically, the brain can only survive 3 to 4 minutes without oxygen if the heart doesn't restart. Brain injury is likely if respiratory arrest goes untreated for more than three minutes, and death is almost certain if more than five minutes pass
Hey Mike and others,
I’m curious. How long can you hold your breath? Usually I can hold it for ~1 minute before it feels too uncomfortable like earlier today. This goes back decades. However, I tried it again later this afternoon and was able to hold it for 75 seconds. I think I had taken better breaths just prior. I did these while lying down, where it isn’t as hard and is safe.
My longest on record is almost certainly no more than 90 seconds. Anything >~75 seconds is a rarity for me. The first ~45 seconds are usually pretty easy assuming proper breathing just before. The key is that after the very deep breath that I let the air out only very slowly. Then after all of the air is out, I usually can go ~5-15 more seconds til I have to take the next breath.
Never try this while standing, which can cause a dangerous fall, or while under water.
This is relevant to this thread because it shows how relatively little time it takes to feel the need to breathe to avoid passing out.
Larry,
This is such a wonderful, analytical way to think about this topic. Our minds work very similarly!
My wife has compromised breathing when she lays back in a recliner or in bed because she has an anatomical anomaly with unusually small lungs, combined with laying back, causes the weight on her belly to push on her lungs from below and keep them from fully expanding. So she has shallow breathing instead of deep breathing.
In June 2018 she was in the hospital for pneumonia and I noticed this on their monitors The hospital claimed it wasn't happening, I got into a huge battle with them and the nurse in my wifes room, actually threatened to not allow me to visit my wife because she claimed that I was upsetting her patient.
They had stopped monitoring her O2 and I insisted they hook the monitors back up but they wouldn't. So I went to Walgreens and bought a $45 pulsox meter for her to use in the hospital and it verified what I was saying.
Instead of the hospital acknowledging this, one night while she was sleeping, my pulsox meter mysteriously vanished from her finger. Nobody had any idea where it went. It's likely the nurse I was battling with STOLE IT.
Since she was already recovering, she left the hospital a bit early so that I could monitor her O2 at home with a new Walgreens pulsox meter. It was then that I discovered this had likely been happening, probably for years when she laid back.
She would have very shallow breathing and her O2 would drop below 90 at times when in a deep sleep. Not typical sleep apnea that features stopping breathing. She never stopped breathing just extremely shallow.
That's when I decided to do what you just described, Larry to try to see what it would take to get my O2 down below 90%. Wow, it was extremely tough. I'll have to do it again to refresh my memory as I was not focused so much on the time as I was the readings and my condition when it dropped that low.
The thing is that there is a lag too in how long it takes for the O2 reading in your finger to show the actual reading in the rest of the body. It can't happen until the blood from elsewhere circulates to the finger, which was like 10-15 seconds later.
So I held my breathe for around a minute on numerous occasions and it was tough. I wasn't watching the time as much as I was monitoring my condition. The O2 didn't even start dropping until it became extremely tough, towards the end. But then it plunged off a cliff. It would stay at around 97% for instance past 30 seconds, while I was starting to experience discomfort. At 45 seconds, it finally dropped hard and around 60 seconds I couldn't take it anymore and thought it to be potentially causing brain damage and didn't push it longer. So I got it to drop below 90% at that point but the lowest readings always came several seconds AFTER I started breathing again and felt good because of the lag time for the lowest O2 blood to get to my finger with the meter on it.
The amount of discomfort and length of time I had to go to get my O2 that low made me extremely aware of the potential damage happening to my wifes brain when her O2 dropped below 90%.
So we made an appointment with a pulmonologist/sleep doctor for her to get a CPAP machine at night. I described the entire situation to him, with all the readings that I got at night while my wife was sleeping. My wife gave him this on 3 pages at her first meeting.
His response?
He told her to NEVER give a letter like this to a doctor again and refused to believe that she had this condition. He contacted the hospital and since they indicated she had no O2 issues, he insisted that I was wrong and would not let her have a sleep study to get a CPAP machine. He insisted that she did NOT have sleep apnea and he's the doctor. WOW!
So we persisted with me worrying she was having brain damage at night. He agreed to monitor her O2 one night with an at home device and it showed exactly what I described. Constantly dropping to just above 90%, close to 5% of the time BELOW 90%. Remember what I had to do while awake to get my O2 below 90%!
Then he finally ordered a sleep study and it showed those same readings again. After that, I went to the dr's visit with my wife. At that time, he apologized and said that I was right(over a month had gone by after the first visit). He said he would order a CPAP machine for her.
So a week went by and I started calling the office to see when the CPAP machine would be in. They just kept telling me that there were other patients ahead of her with a more serious condition and she would just have to wait. I started calling every day to find out more and they kept responding the same way and never giving me a time frame. Finally after more than 2 weeks, I told them if Deb stopped breathing and died while we were waiting that there would be a lawsuit. Within minutes, the doctor called me back and scolded me for "harassing his nurses" and told me she would just have to wait with no time frame or other information.
While she waited, we had her use an old CPAP machine from her younger brother that wasn't using it anymore.
Finally the CPAP machine came and the doctor..............KICKED HER OUT from being his patient because her husband was constantly harassing his office.
She went to another pulmonologist and saw a nurse practitioner that was the one that immediately made the anatomical anomaly(small lungs) assessment.
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This all started because the hospital refused to acknowledge her really low O2 reading on their machines when I was there and nobody else was.
But the good news was that I contacted the hospital and threatened to sue them because of her condition and how many months that it took to get her treated because of them falsifying her records and the sleep doctor believing the falsified records on her O2. I had a dozen+ different conversations with the misnamed patient advocate contact(that was actually the hospital advocate working against us/me and for the hospital)
After over a year of me battling them, they ruled in my favor and did what they called a courtesy adjustment to take away a $12,000+ bill with me signing an agreement that indicated I was satisfied with the arrangement and how it related to Debs hospital stay in June 2018.
Regardless of this example of blatant medical malpractice, one really positive thing came out of it. If I hadn't been there to witness the really low O2 readings on the hospital monitors in 2018, there's no way we would have guessed that my wifes O2 was dropping and that she had this condition. It's 6 years later. No way we would have a clue today. So we have numerous pulsox meters in the house, 1 that does EKGs for me (for my Afib) and use them on a regular basis.
And Deb has had a CPAP machine for 5.5 years! How many brain cells do you think have been saved by minimizing a low O2 environment?
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85199/#85237
Wow, Mike! This goes to show how important being a patient’s advocate can be!
Thanks, Larry!
I added the % to the oxygen readings on the previous post. For instance, 90% which is the O2 saturation value. Here's more:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/pulse-oximetry
A more detailed explanation related to measurements in the hospital:
What is Pulse Oximetry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVYOWuJlgEs
These devices are around $50 at the drugstore.
In thinking about this thread, I think that all cops should have them.
You can quickly, easily and accurately get a persons oxygen AND pulse After putting in on 1 of their fingers.
If Chauvin had put one on George Floyd's finger, during the last 4 min. 30 seconds of his knee on George's neck he would have seen a 0% oxygen and 0 pulse.
Would he have continued with the knee on his neck if part of his training was to do this?
It would have been a unique scientific measurement that showed he was killing him.
I just checked online and the pulse oximeters are as cheap as $20!
The cops could get one for $50 that saves the readings. How about that for evidence?
My 2 year old grandson, Cyrus can operate one, even though he can't count to 100 yet(just 10).
Put in on your finger and press the on button.............then read it. Make sure it has charged batteries.