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Jeffrey Epstein
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Started by metmike - July 16, 2025, 9:34 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/113255/
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These were the last posts from today, 7-30-25 at the previous thread, including the last one that triggered the block:
By cutworm - July 30, 2025, 9:04 a.m.
One thing I do not understand, didn't the Biden admiration have all this evidence, and they hated Trump, why didn't they release the info?
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By metmike - July 30, 2025, 10 a.m.
Hi cutworm!
Bill Clinton was also a serial predator of women and obviously underage girls. The Clinton's have great power being used to suppress this information. There are other names that we don't know about that likely include people from both parties that are keeping us from knowing who they are.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jeffrey Epstein
By metmike - July 26, 2025, 11:12 p.m.
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Apparently, Clinton made numerous visits to Epstein Island.
After Trump and Epstein broke up in 2004, Trump continued to prey on women and underage girls for another decade, INDEPENDENT OF EPSTEIN........even as Epstein's exploits/crimes became public knowledge.
Trump has, so far not been held accountable. Nor Clinton or the many other rich and powerful predators of women and underage girls. The same ones that killed Epstein to protect themselves and possibly played a role in the SUDDEN deaths of 3 of the victims the past several years to keep them quiet.
I can't say much on those deaths without much more information, like I/we have on Trump(and Epstein).
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jeffrey Epstein
By metmike - July 30, 2025, 2:39 p.m.
FINALLY, this is waking up the MSM(not Fox) to do some critical thinking and investigative reporting!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/
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I had mentioned several of these items that don't make sense years ago and continue to insist that the prison and government, now clearly busted with several lies/inconsistencies with the video is covering up the truth. Failed camera's, spliced video's, the missing minute and guards that slept much of the night are things I brought up in the past. That goes with removing Epstein's cellmate the day before, after taking him OFF suicide watch.
What are the chances of all those things happening coincidentally, the same night that Jeffrey Epstein hangs himself.
Then, experts reviewing the autopsy tell us that its indicative of a strangulation because of the damage and not the hanging of himself from leaning forward, using a bed-sheet that the government claims caused it.......like 1 in a million??
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CBS News analysis of the newly released Jeffrey Epstein jail video finds inconsistencies with the government's claims about what the footage shows, raising questions about the credibility of the federal investigation. CBS News Justice correspondent Scott MacFarlane breaks down the findings. The FBI declined to comment on the CBS News report.
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There's a 99.9% chance that Epstein was killed by the same rich and powerful people that victimized these women/girls. Trump and Clinton FOR SURE victimized these young women/girls based on overwhelming, beyond reasonable doubt, LEGAL CIRCUMSTANTIAL Evidence. Prince Andrew is also 1 of them with certainty!
NEW YORK (AP) — A woman who says she was sexually trafficked to Britain’s Prince Andrew by Jeffrey Epstein accepted $500,000 in 2009 to settle her lawsuit against the American millionaire and anyone else “who could have been included as a potential defendant,” according to a court record unsealed Monday.
The prince’s lawyers say that language should bar Virginia Giuffre from suing Andrew now, even though he wasn’t a party to the original settlement.
The private 2009 legal deal resolved Giuffre’s allegations that Epstein had hired her as a teenager to be a sexual servant at his estate in Palm Beach, Florida.
Andrew was not named in that lawsuit, but Giuffre had alleged in it that Epstein had flown her around the world for sexual encounters with numerous men “including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and/or professional and personal acquaintances.”
WATCH: How prosecutors proved Ghislaine Maxwell was Epstein’s ‘enabler-in-chief’
The settlement unsealed Monday also doesn’t mention Andrew, but contains a single paragraph saying it protects anyone “who could have been included as a potential defendant” from being sued by Giuffre.
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What is especially interesting is that Trump, yesterday claimed that this was one of the employees that Epstein stole from him that caused their best friendship to break up.
Virginian Giuffre is now DEAD. She suddenly died by suicide just 3 months ago.
2 other victims also suddenly died in the last several years.
Virginia Giuffre was 41 when she died in Neergabby, Australia
Thursday 01 May 2025 16:28 EDT
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While I am certain, well beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump was a CRIMINAL predator of countless women, including underage girls associated with his Epstein relationship as well as independent of Epstein, what I would like to know is if he has played a key role in killing people, like Jeffrey Epstein and possibly the 3 victims?
Somebody killed Epstein and probably some of the victims. For sure it was one or more of the rich powerful people. It's unlikely that we will never know that part of it but if this can generate new found courage for these victims to break their HUSH MONEY agreements and threats(clearly legit based on who they already killed) and come forward to speak out then, at least we can hold some of them accountable, including those mentioned above.
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By metmike - July 30, 2025, 3:42 p.m.
Democrats invoke rare Senate rule to force release of Epstein documents
https://www.axios.com/2025/07/30/democrats-epstein-documents-trump-justice-department
By the numbers: According to a YouGov poll released Tuesday, 82% of Americans think the government should release all the documents it has about the case.
What we're watching: The senators requested an answer from the DOJ by Aug. 15.
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This is what I think will happen:
1. Trump will authorize his people to release alot of stuff that doesn't implicate him or mention him. Some of it is likely to be edited to REMOVE HIM.
2. Maxwell will lie under oath to get the get out of prison early deal that Trump promised her.
What is the reasoning?
1. Trump MUST start releasing a bunch of stuff ASAP to try stop the serious bleeding. There is no choice.
2. What are the chances that President Trump or his people would release information that incriminates him?
Answer: 0.0001%
3. What are the chances that Trump's private attorney and #2 in power in our justice department (after Pam Bondi) met with Maxwell and her attorney for 2 days, was there with an objective different than to help fulfill Trumps latest schemes for escaping being held accountable for his crimes against women/girls.
Anwer: 0.001%
4. This is the same man that still insists to this very day that the 2020 election was stolen from him. He did everything in his power to try to overturn that election for 2+ months to make himself the winner, culminating in Donald Trump's treasonous, Constitution violating and American people betraying Insurrection on January 6, 2021.
5. He managed to survive that and come back to be president, so never count him out. Ironically, his MAGA people may have been ok with #4 but being a predator of underage girls is considered the bottom dredge of society so that even hardened criminals will spit on you for it!
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/30/politics/skepticism-trump-epstein-concessions
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Exactly my point/last comment at the previous thread. Trump will release all sorts of stuff that doesn't implicate his involvement. Knowing him, he will release stuff with him in it but only after his people remove him and present this as the original version.
Hopefully, this will be vehemently rejected by all the clear thinking, ethical people in this country that want the truth.What would be best is if this incentivizes numerous victims to come forward that are being paid with hush money and having their lives threatened.
It would take alot of courage. I continue to feel overwhelming sadness for them and the suffering they went thru by these CREEPS at the time of the abuse and the psychological pain that continues today.
This is much more than just protecting criminal predators like Donald J. Trump because he has the same political affiliation.
He and many sick men criminally abused many hundreds or more, real human beings to satisfy their pathological sexual desires using their money and power. We should think of and pray for these many victims and especially support them strongly if/when they come out.
This is the quintessential difference between right and wrong. Even if the Ds are the ones tightening the screws because of politics. In this case, they have the franchise on the moral high ground and also are doing the right thing, even if its coincidental to their party affiliation.
A timeline of what Trump has said about how their relationship fell apart.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-comments-epstein-raise-new-questions-fell/story?id=124211483
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The truth is NOT setting this guy free as his lies pile up higher and higher because he KNOWS that hes guilty. His pathological thinking is unable to comprehend people's ability to see clearly thru his perceived omnipotence. So he conjures up and repeats statements that don't make any sense and it keeps digging his hole deeper..
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A timeline of what Trump has said about how their relationship fell apart.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-comments-epstein-raise-new-questions-fell/story?id=124211483
One of those workers, Trump said, was Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein accuser who said she was recruited by his associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, when Giuffre was an underage teenager working as a locker-room attendant at Mar-a-Lago in 2000. Maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking minors and now serving a 20-year prison sentence, has denied the allegations. Giuffre died by suicide this past April at age 41.
According to Social Security records submitted to the court during Giuffre’s defamation case against Ghislaine Maxwell, Giuffre was employed at Mar-a-Lago Club LLC in 2000 and earned $1,866.50 during that calendar year. The duration and precise dates of her employment at Trump’s club remained in dispute when the lawsuit settled in 2017.
Giuffre -- then known as Virginia Roberts -- subsequently went on to travel extensively around the world with Epstein and Maxwell over the next two years, according to flight logs kept by one of Epstein’s pilots that have been entered into court records in civil and criminal cases.
But previous comments from Trump suggested his falling out with Epstein occurred several years later than that.
In 2002, Trump praised Epstein in a New York magazine profile of the now-deceased financier and convicted sex offender.
"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy," Trump told the magazine. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
Then in 2004, the two men were rivals over a property in Florida as reported by the Washington Post. Trump ultimately won the property at auction.
In 2019, when Epstein was arrested on federal charges, Trump said he hadn't spoken with Epstein in 15 years.
"I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him. I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him. He was a fixture in Palm Beach," Trump said in the Oval Office. "I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. I was not, yeah, a long time ago, I'd say maybe 15 years. I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you. I was not a fan of his."
So he GAVE UP Virginia 4 years before the falling out with Epstein, KNOWING what she was being used for by Epstein(who he described as a "Terrific guy" that "likes beautiful women as much as I do and many of them are on the younger side" 2 years AFTER he gave her (or as Trump claims "poached her") to Epstein.
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More disingenuous posturing, with Trump's people pretending that they are being transparent and releasing important stuff during this HUGE cover up to protect the Predator in Chief.
We already know most of if not everything that might be released from this EXTREMELY LIMITED information source.
Trump and his people will NEVER release what we all want to see. They will NEVER release any information that has Trump's potential criminality in it.
Trump claims that this is all a D hoax.
We need some of the hundreds of victims of his and the other sex predators, now being quiet out of fear and hush money to come out of hiding and speak out.
As tough as this would be, this is a good environment to incentivize them to find new found courage.
Trump has been portraying himself as the victim. He was even, supposedly a victim of Epstein's because of all things, Epstein STOLE/POACHED an underage girl of his, like he owned her.
Not one time has he ever expressed an iota of empathy for these horribly victimized women(underage girls). It's all about him.
That's because a predator does not have empathy for their victims.
Not when victimizing them and apparently in Trump's case not years later.
Trump today, just sees them as a risk to eliminate at any cost. Somebody(s) in his predators club killed Epstein and nobody mourns for the leader of the predators. However, 3 victims have also died suddenly in recent years and ALL OF THEM- hundreds are suffering from the psychological pain and fear for their lives today.
One can look at this the opposite way too.
Seeing Trump controlling the entire process may make it seem ever more futile for them to come forward, along with their legit fear of being killed.
So who(s) killed Epstein?
Even MAGA still wants to know that even though they're circling the wagons and are now defending Trump, ignoring all the facts coming out.
Chance of us ever knowing? Near 0, unless something crazy like dozens of victims came out all at once and fingered most of the serial predators.
Covering up for the serial, criminal predator in the White House!
Trump and his administration keep insisting they are transparent and trying to release as much as possible of the Epstein files.
They released the MLK files!
They released the JFK files!
They could release the Epstein files tomorrow if they wanted!
As they promised!
1 big problem. They got the files earlier this year (May?) and realized, oh, oh! there's some bad stuff in there about President Trump.
While Trump, earlier this month had been calling all of it a "hoax by the democrats!"
Here's the real hoax:
Trump pretending that he wants information released. Instead of releasing the Epstein files as they promised, Trump asked for the information from a grand jury be released...........as if that is actually something.
IF a judge rules in his favor, all we get is basic information from 2 cops asking for a judge to approve the case to go to trial. Almost nothing, even if its approved.
A good analogy would be if we wanted to solve a 500 piece puzzle but only had 2 pieces.
Then Trump's people tell us that they will give us all the pieces of the puzzle so that we can solve it if we elect them. A few months go by after they take office.
Then they get all those pieces, but instead of passing all 500 pieces on to us as promised, they give us all 500 pieces to 2 other puzzles.
With the 500 piece puzzle that we are most interested in solving, they make a request to get 2 pieces from a judge................the same 2 pieces we already have. HUGH????
What about the other 498 pieces that they have in their possession right now!
The Epstein files! They have them but now, they won't release them because they are protecting a serial predator in the White House and other rich and powerful predators that got away with these crimes.
so you think we got all the mlk and jfk files? Silly boy. We most certainly will never see all the files. Many reasons. The deep state, the deep state. the deep state is the main one. You really mlk and jfk had all the predilections they had and never crossed a line they should not have ? Of all the sorted and soiled stuff in their files there is stuff that never will be seen. And sadly its starting to look like the Epstein case is headed that way. Only for some odd reason America is giving mlk and jfk a complete pass on t heir dark side and celebrating like hero's.
Got many many bad things in my memory of Ted kennedy but one bright spot was his eulogy of jfk. Do not know who wrote or who he stole it from but he did say do not make jfk larger in death than he was in life but America turned and did t anyway didn't we.
Family of Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre wants files released
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/31/us/video/kaitlan-collins-virginia-giuffre-family-interview-src-digvid
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I hope we can get the entire interview shortly. Profoundly powerful. I wept several times for the victims.
This provided faces, actually human beings to the story, instead of the politics that, especially 1 side is using to completely disrespect the victims and violate them all over again.
They know that Donald Trump is one of the rich and powerful men that played a role in violating these women and now he's the king pin of the group, covering it up by refusing to release the files because of his guilt and pretending to be transparent.
Treating the victims like pawns and not human beings. Earlier this week, Trump referring to a victim, their sister like she was his property that was "stolen and poached" from him.
One of the family members, identified Mara-La-go and Donald Trump as being the starting point of when Virginia Giuffre was victimized, which is what the evidence/facts suggest too. All 4 family members strongly want these files to be released. Trump could release them right now IF HE WANTED.
More than anything they do NOT want a deal cut for Maxwell who has lied many times before and will lie again to get a better deal from Trump.
Of the many predators, that so far have all escaped any accountability, the 2 that we have the most powerful LEGALLY significant circumstantial evidence of them playing key roles in these crimes are Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.
Maybe this will open the door for victims, that understandably fear for their lives, to find the courage to speak out and identify some of these serial, criminal predators.
We should strongly support them and even if they remain too fearful for us to ever know who they are, pray for them and continue to seek justice for them.
Testifying at Maxwell’s trial in New York City, the woman, identified by the pseudonym Jane, said she met the former president in the 1990s at his Mar-a-Lago resort.
Dec. 1, 2021, 1:23 PM CST / Updated Dec. 1, 2021, 7:15 PM CST
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Jane was one of two victims from Florida to take the stand. The other, Carolyn Andriano, 36, of Wellington was found dead a year after Maxwell's sentencing from an accidental drug overdose in a West Palm Beach hotel room. At least one juror said he found her testimony so compelling that it helped lead the group to a guilty verdict.
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These women must be justifiably petrified that these rich and powerful men will kill them if they speak out!! 3 of them that spoke out have died already, in addition to Epstein. Since we don't even know the names of all these victims, there's a pretty good chance that others have also died.
They were teenagers at the time, with a life expectancy of at least 60 more years!
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Donald Trump will NEVER release information that points to his involvement. The only chance is to hold him accountable is if actual victims speaking out.......but they have been too afraid for their lives.
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This article is more than 8 years old
Sat 5 Nov 2016 09.33 EDT
The woman, who had filed suit earlier this year under the pseudonym Jane Doe, had alleged that Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein had raped her in 1994, when she was a 13-year-old aspiring model.
This week she abruptly canceled a plan to speak publicly about the allegations, and another attorney, Lisa Bloom, cited “numerous threats” against her client.
“She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately she is in terrible fear,” Bloom said on Wednesday. Bloom’s mother, Gloria Allred, is an attorney representing several women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct.
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This was BEFORE Epstein was arrested and charged!
Josh Russell / September 30, 2016
https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
Tiffany Doe claims she convinced the then-13-year-old plaintiff to attend the parties as a means to break in to New York's professional modeling world. In her declaration, Tiffany Doe says she witnessed four sexual encounters in which Jane Doe was forced to have sex with Trump, and two encounters involving the plaintiff and Jeffrey Epstein.
The Tiffany Doe declaration included Epstein's threats against her and her family for disclosing the details of any sexual abuse of minors by Epstein and his party guests, swearing under penalty of perjury that she understands that her and her family's lives are "now in grave danger."
The new complaint includes an additional witness exhibit from an anonymous "Joan Doe" whose sworn declaration says Jane Doe told her what happened with Trump and Epstein during the 1994-1995 school year.
The sudden transfer comes a week after Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche — the DOJ’s second-in-command and formerly President Trump’s defense lawyer — huddled all day with the disgraced British socialite and her lawyer at the US Attorney’s Office in Tallahassee.
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Maxwell is already getting something from Trump in advance for her to lie about Donald Trumps criminal behavior as a serial predator of women that sometimes included underage girls.
Chances that Trump will intentionally release any of the information that implicates his guilt?
0.0001%
However, because he often has horrible judgment, along with his impulsive, pathological thinking/reasoning, he frequently UNINTENTIONALLY implicates himself with what he thinks is a plan that exonerates him.
For Pete's sake, this is the most powerful man in the world that I'm describing with an accurate, objective analysis. Much of his decision making about everything is suspect because of his mental illness thats independent of his crimes as a serial predator.
Chances that Trump will distort/manipulate/censor/block/ban/black out/redact/twist and lie to cover his crimes?
100.000%.
Just another reminder. I voted for Donald J Trump in November 2024 because I believed him about ending the Ukraine war, which has caused 1.5 million casualties and also in November 2016. In 2020, they both were so bad that I drove to the parking lot to vote, sat in my car for 20 minutes and couldn't go in to vote because I could never find a reason to vote for Biden or Trump with numerous reasons to NOT vote for both of them.
“President Trump has sent a clear message today: Pedophiles deserve preferential treatment and their victims do not matter,” the statement said, noting that the two women and Giuffre’s family had not been notified of Maxwell’s transfer before media reports of it.
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This is the same guy that pardoned all the violent felons convicted of crimes during HIS Insurrection/attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election! What did we think would happen?
He also hired 21 Fox news personalities to replay them for being his cheerleaders/high priests in his cult that helped elect him.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/21-fox-news-personalities-contributors-221718333.html
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And this guy said he would drain THE swamp?
He drained that swamp and filled it back up with his own, even worse swamp creatures that swear allegiance to the almighty/omnipotent Donald J. Trump.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-murdoch-epstein-lawsuit-wall-street-journal-letter-2108955
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Of course he did!
Filing the lawsuit was just another extraordinarily dumb, delusional act by the president based on his perception that he's omnipotent and has the power to control the world.........including the WSJ that posted an authentic letter that HE sent to Jeffrey Epstein on his birthday in 2004, when Trump claims they had broken up years earlier because Epstein was stealing/poaching his employees for his under age, human trafficking sex business.
The timelines given to us by Trump are blatant lies, as well as the majority of facts because this predator(sometimes of under age girls) is trying to cover for himself.
Lawrence O’Donnell of MSNBC predicted Trump would drop this stupid lawsuit almost 2 weeks ago. The reason he gave is that Trump would in no way want this stuff to be even more out in the open. And Trump wouldn’t want to lie under oath. And Trump said they lied about them being friends? I know Trump supposedly doesn’t use illegal drugs (something I actually like about him), but is he on crack? More likely he knows they were very good friends and he was just bluffing. Lawrence will probably tell us tonight that he didn’t change his mind and that he never wanted to go through with this silliness.
Thanks, Larry.
Instead of being on drugs, Trump is mentally ill. I've been insisting on this many dozens of times the last year but mean it in the clinically significant, psychiatric mental health science diagnosis sense.
His pathological mentality features a delusions of grandeur thinking that has been fed with the most power of any other human on earth and MAGA cheerleaders.
The uncertainty here is how much of his behavior is completely delusional and how much of it is diabolical with intent.
For instance, I speculate that he really believes that that 2020 election was stolen from him.
I strongly believe that he knows HE caused the Insurrection and it was very intentional based on a well thought out plan. After it happened, he called it a beautiful day, then pardoned all the criminals because they did it for him. These were all intentional and based on schemes that he rationalized because he thought the 2020 election was stolen from him.
On the facts regarding Epstein............he knows what he did to these women. He might be in denial or in his warped mind, justify being a criminal pedophile because he's omnipotent and other people are here to serve him (including under age girls-seriously, he believes that part)
The fact that he keeps changing the stories about his relationship with Epstein is because his devious mind thinks of what he thinks is a better story to cover himself is clear evidence of intent.
A delusional person usually has 1 version that they cling to. He is such a pathological liar that it defines everything about him, including how he describes everything so its impossible to know when he's scheming and when he's actually delusional.
Does he really believe the person that delivered the bad employment stats last week was out to get him because Biden hired her and doctored the data for political agenda? That's plausible.
Does he really believe all the stuff he says about Canada? Or the loony tunes things related to his tariffs? Is this delusional? Scheming? Or just complete incompetence and ignorance about the principles of trading between countries?
I would say that its all the above..............and this is our president.
Go figure!
If he talks like a serial pedophile………complimenting Epstein for their shared appreciation of women……with Epstein liking them young in 2002.
If he draws like a serial pedophile…….naked female to his pedophile pal on his birthday in 2004. How many men in their 50's do you know that draw pictures like this for their best males friends birthday???
Teenagers, yes. Very powerful, rich men and future president's? Not unless they shared the "secret" that Trump referred to in the letter.
If he lies like a criminal predator about all the facts.
If he pays hush money to females to cover up sex with them……like a criminal predator.
If he’s been accused of sex crimes by numerous women and girls like a serial criminal predator.
Then we can be pretty sure that............. he’s a criminal predator and pedophile!
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Even if he’s delusional and thinks these women were his toys to serve his needs and paid them for it and he did nothing wrong ……..that defines the mindset of most pedophiles.
This is exactly how Epstein thought and acted. This was the biggest bond between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump over their 15 year best friendship.
One of them was a convicted felon, disgraced and hated for his diabolical crimes, preying on under aged girls.....now dead to keep him quiet.
The other one is the most powerful man in the world.
Along with all the other rich and powerful pedophiles that preyed on these girls for 2 decades that are enjoying their riches and power to move freely in society WITH ZERO CONSEQUENCES.
How sad for all the victims.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11018081/
The dark triad of personality is a constellation of traits characterized by a willingness to exploit and manipulate others, callousness, disagreeableness, deceitfulness, egocentrism, lack of honesty and humility, empathy deficits and a focus on agentic goals (Paulhus & Williams, 2002). Such traits have been previously associated with sexual coercion (Pavlović, Markotić, & Bartolin, 2019; Zeigler-Hill, Besser, Morag, & Keith Campbell, 2016) and consist of Machiavellianism (proclivity to exploit others), narcissism (malevolent behavior associated with a grandiose identity) and psychopathy (Paulhus & Williams, 2002). Psychopathy is characterized as a form of personality disorder with a distinctive pattern of interpersonal (e.g. deceitfulness and manipulation), affective (e.g. lack of remorse, lack of empathy or guilt) and behavioral (e.g. irresponsibility and impulsivity) characteristics (Hare & Neumann, 2008).
Trump as narcissistic, Machiavellian, and high in psychopathy.
Posted August 6, 2016
Three core personality trait dimensions that underlie the Dark Triad are:
Does Donald Trump demonstrate the features of the Dark Triad? Based on my expert opinion, having published extensively in this area of psychology, I think the answer is this: Absolutely and unequivocally.
The Trump administration is considering releasing transcripts of the interview.
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At this rate, by the end of the year, Trump will be insisting that he never met Epstein and all the pictures of the 2 together are fake pictures to try to frame him
Trump keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper on this topic.
An innocent person would never go to this extreme to cover up something they didn't do.
Trying to legitimize and reward/bribe this person for lying is actually a crime but hey, its much better than being a serial, criminal sexual predator, sometimes with under age girls.
Delusional President Trump thinks that everything that he does is brilliant. He has no clue that this is convincing us EVEN MORE that he is one of the rich and powerful people being protected by their strong arm tactics that include KILLING PEOPLE TO KEEP THEM QUIET.
At last count, besides Epstein, there's reason to believe at least 3 of the victims were killed.
Since we have almost none of the victims names, (some say over 100) how would we even know when they get killed??? We wouldn't.
The question for me, is not whether Trump is guilty of the sex crimes (he is) and he is likely paying hush money for them to be quiet but whether the most powerful man in the world right now, who ABUSES his power every day..............has and is abusing his power and money to silence these victims?
Who was the person/people that killed Epstein to keep him quiet?
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Trump has an impossible situation.
He's IN the Epstein files. Regardless of what IN means, he was a serial predator of women, sometimes under aged for 2+ decades. Sometimes with Epstein, sometimes not with Epstein.
He is trying to use a horrific, lying person convicted, with Epstein of sex crimes against hundreds of under aged girls to testify on his behalf.
This is a backfire if/when Eptein files information is released because it will highlight her horrific, key role and lies.
And his lies about everything continue to pile up with almost no truths.
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If Joe Rogan is truly an objective, honest guy that cares about justice, instead of HELPING Trump get out of the jam he put himself in by being a criminal predator for 2 decades, he will hold Donald Trump accountable.
Donald Trump 2002: "I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
Donald Trump 2004: Birthday letter to Epstein with naked woman and mention of their "secret" that the Wall Street Journal published the contents of(not the actual image) Trump sues for $10 billion dollars.........then drops the lawsuit.
Donald Trump, July 2025: I cut off ties with Jeffrey Epstein in 2000 because he was stealing/poaching my employees including the most famous victim that suddenly died in April.
Joe Rogan can't save Donald Trump's sinking Epstein-gate ship. Neither can a lying and bribed convicted under age sex ring leader. The fact that Trumps personal lawyer and Deputy assistant of the US attorney general is reaching out to this source for damage control is a CRYSTAL CLEAR INDICATOR OF BLATANT GUILT.
Innocent people USE THE TRUTH to vindicate themselves and prove innocence. This has been the most ANTI Truth, massive cover up (that has been defined by schemes to protect a president) in history.
This makes the Watergate cover up look like somebody lying to try to get out of a parking violation.
I spent dozens of hours investigating this last month.
Donald Trump IS GUILTY of having sex with underage girls. When he was WITH Jeffrey Epstein(their biggest common bond in the best friendship) and when he WASN'T WITH Jeffrey Epstein.
The media knows this and they smell blood. No chance that Trump can make this go away because HE IS GUILTY and has been caught in lie after lie.
The question, really is how Rs in Congress treat this down the road. Will they do the right thing and impeach him and gain respect? Or will they do the political thing again and continue to protect him in the latest pathological situation? and subject themselves to blow back from some of their own supporters for protecting the predator in the White House? Risking going down with a sinking SS Trump ship?
Tough choice for the Rs in Congress. We know where the Ds and media stand(outside of Fox thats pretending this doesn't exist).
Or could this finally fade away and be like the Insurrection and Trumps attempts to overturn the results of the most tested for being valid election in history.
What's worse?
1. Being a traitor, betraying the US Constitution and American people with his criminal Insurrection and attempts to overturn the 2020 election???
2. Or being a serial, criminal sex predator for 2 decades, that included under age victims?
He bounced back from #1 and got back into the White House (partly thanks to Biden being SOO bad). Will MAGA forgive him or pretend that #2 didn't happen too? The Rs in office will react according to how THEY THINK their base will respond because they want to stay in power/office.
Damn MM . Post after post guilty, guilty, guilty. This seems eerily familiar to around 2016 a couple lib news out fits were fitted for a Pulitzer price. What happened following has been largely ignored, especially by these same 2 outlets. Some day you will be right or wrong and I want you to behave far differently than those 2 award winning news outlets that to this day have yet to admit just how dead wrong they were about guilt and innocence. That and a couple fake impeachment nearly ended this republic and the truth will out it all.
The libs have a way of doing business. elections do not matter to them. They have instituted the bureaucracy so corrupt and so deep that is what runs the show and that is what they live for. Big gov. Hell with the people because if the people do happen to vote another way the libs then start a war of hell to pay for the public. Their very policies inflect pain on top of pain to being the public to heel. And Trump is interrupting that game and they are pissed. Sorry to alert you but they will not prevail, And the subpoenas going out the door right now to the leaders of the war on Joe Public prove their time is nearly over.
Post after post guilty, guilty, guilty. This seems eerily familiar to around 2016 a couple lib news out fits were fitted for a Pulitzer price.
Thanks, mcfarm!
Not from me its not a familiar attack on President Trump.
I vehemently defended Trump from 2016 on, until this day regarding that Witch Hunt because he was crystal clearly innocent then:
Re: Re: more actual evidence of The Hoax
By metmike - July 19, 2025, 3:11 p.m.
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However, Donald Trump is guilty as sin here. I even took the opposite side-that he is innocent and tested that hypothesis (sincerely practicing the scientific method) . Every single time, with no exceptions, all the facts contradicted that position.
I don't WANT him to be guilty, mcfarm but he is.
in my humble opinion you most definitely hope and pray he is guilty and have convicted him guilty many many times right here....enough said until we find out about your forth coming apology and retraction to several posts or when I admit he sure fooled me because I do not believe it as of this day.
Thanks much, mcfarm,
As I mentioned previously, based on the extraordinarily compelling circumstantial evidence Donald Trump IS guilty.
And how do you think that he will be held accountable or proven guilty when he and the R majority Congress control the information flow?
They will NEVER release information that shows he's guilty. His people already deleted his name on all of the information we will get. He completely controls the attorney generals office.
They are bringing in a dozen people to testify under oath, including Bill Clinton but guess who's name is missing?
Donald Trump.
Jeffrey Epstein's best friend for 15 years. The guy that Jeffrey picked up women with. The guy that complimented Epstein in 2002, specifically because they both shared an appreciation for women, noting that Jeff likes them on the young side. The guy that wrote a birthday letter to Epstein in 2004 with a naked women on it and mentioned "their secret"
The guy that has been lying his arse off about every single thing related to this the past month, claiming he broke it off with Epstein for stealing/poaching his girls, which happened in 2000. The facts prove his lies and he continued to be Epstein's close friend for 4 more years after that.
He scared off and paid off a believable victim in 2016, (who disappeared and the charges dropped)that insisted he and Epstein raped her when she was a young girl. She had some credible details. I believe her and hope she's still alive and comes forward again with other petrified victims.
Do you think that NOBODY was involved with Epstein and Maxwell and its all made up?
There is many, MANY times more evidence that Donald Trump was one of the rich and powerful predators that had sex with these under age girls than anybody else.
He's setting Maxwell up to lie under oath for him to get her sweet deal. Trump's attorney has already stated that Maxwell claims that she never saw Trump do anything wrong. OMG!
We are supposed to believe that Trump and Epstein hung out as best friends for 15 years(picking up women together) and Epstein, the worlds most famous pedophile would have frequent sex with under age women but he always waited for his best friend, Donald Trump who complimented Epstein for being this way in 2002 and 2004 to go somewhere else so Trump would never know about it?????
That is delusional denial.
He will NEVER be found guilty even though ALL the facts point to him. mcfarm!
Those facts above and more proof can never go away. They happened already. Trump can lie all he wants, get others to lie, censor information that shows he was part of it, use hush money and threats to victims all he wants but the facts are the facts.
There is not a shred of doubt in my objective mind that he IS guilty. I don't let my personal opinions about people define how to interpret facts. You should know that from me going to bat for Trump countless times. I understand that you find it hard to comprehend and believe somebody being like this but I'll demonstrate it below with more proof/ examples for you.
Read the posts from me about the Trump rape charges. I spent a great deal of time following that and believe strongly that Trump was likely innocent of the charges. Not for sure innocent but the prosecution completely faile do prove their case and the entire trial was a sham against Trump. Read the thread to see my reasoning. I still insist that Trump should have been found innocent of those charges.. That lady was NOT credible at all to me and the prosecution and judge were both extremely biased.
Based on Trump's past behavior as a predator, I would think he COULD HAVE done this. But the facts DID NOT support his guilt in that case.
Epstein-gate is so, so different because all the circumstantial evidence shows Trump was one of these rich and powerful men.
Trump civil fraud trial-nonsense
Started by metmike - Nov. 12, 2023, 2:43 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100509/
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Get Trump-Hush Money Hullabaloo
Started by metmike - April 17, 2024, 4:57 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/103255/
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Trump rape case
Started by metmike - May 3, 2023, 9:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94926/
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On this particular topic, my first few posts on the original thread were giving Trump the innocent, benefit of the doubt.
But the overwhelming facts led this objective scientist to the only logical conclusion.
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"until we find out about your forth coming apology and retraction"
mcfarm, there will be no retraction of the rock solid, proven facts stated here. They define the truth. I get why you and MAGA don't want to believe the truth.
I have no doubt that your mind can believe that Bill Clinton did this because he's a D. You will NEVER believe that Trump did it because Trump and the Rs control the information and are in fact, manipulating it to mislead people.
There will never be a trial of Donald Trump. He is the main gatekeeper of information and he will never allow information that shows his guiltto be released. This means that you will always believe he is innocent because you believe he's innocent now after I proved his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt with the compelling circumstantial evidence in the previous thread. ............where somebody apparently hacked MarketForum so that the moderator can no longer access that thread.
It's pointless to have a debate with you on this because you will never believe that he is guilty.
Me? I already changed my mind! Adjusted it to line up with the powerful facts that define this case and can never go away. From originally and still believing he was INNOCENT in the NY rape case above and giving him the benefit of innocence doubt to start in Epstein-gate.
Hey mc,
1. I really don’t think MM wants Trump to be guilty. I think he hates realizing that our President has done these terrible things but he doesn’t hate him. He almost definitely wishes this is just a bad nightmare and that he really didn’t do these things. He’s defended him regarding Mueller and other things.
2. This being said, he’s technically still not been proven guilty as even MM realizes. MM is saying that based on circ. evidence that there’s no way he’s not guilty. I fully understand where he’s coming from based on Trump’s recent actions/comments. If I had to guess, I’d say he’s guilty. But the way our system of Justice works, he’s innocent until proven guilty. And I don’t know with certainty that he’s guilty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNptvSDeAf4
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Seriously????
These extreme attempts to cover it up, censor it, tell easy to bust lies about it and even claim it''s a hoax will not make it go away.
Innocent people are transparent and use the truth to prove they are innocent.
Trump claiming that this is a D hoax is yet another kick in the teeth to the hundreds of victims.
The most amazing thing is not the complete lack of empathy for the many horribly victimized girls SOME by Donald Trump the serial predator but that he wants us to SEE HIM as the victim.
WOW!
President Trump actually wants us to believe that this is just a made up hoax by the Ds to get Trump, the only victim.
But his private attorney, who was also appointed to be the Deputy Attorney General by Trump to assure that he has full control of the justice department was out interviewing the queen pin of the hoax who is in prison for 20 years for the hoax.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5433788-maxwell-pardon-republican-warning/
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This is pure posturing(virtue signaling) by the Rs that want their base to see them as tough on this issue.
What will they do WHEN Trump doesn't follow their warning?
NOTHING THAT HAS ANY IMPACT!
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5439732-trump-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein/
Maxwell met with Blanche over two days in recent weeks to share information about the Epstein case. ABC News reported that Maxwell did not say anything during the interviews that would be harmful to Trump.
In the wake of those interviews, Maxwell was transferred from a low-security prison in Florida to a minimum-security prison in Texas. Officials have not said why.
“I didn’t know about it at all. No, I read about it just like you did. It’s not a very uncommon thing,” Trump said when asked Tuesday if he’d approved of the transfer.
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Another of a dozen examples of Trumps blatantly obvious lies. This is how a guilty person acts. Again, innocent people use the truth and transparency to vindicate themselves.
Not lies, cover ups, devious schemes and threats(10 billion law suit to WSJ-hush money agreements with victims-Maxwell interviews/bribe).
An innocent person would have simply released the Epstein files, knowing there's nothing in there that directly connects them to crimes because they didn't do anything wrong.
Don't forget, Epstein was likely about to blow the whistle on Trump and these other rich and powerful pedophiles in order to plea bargain his sentence to something better. He was killed for it.
The question is not whether Trump was a predator or not...........this is crystal clear. The question is, what does he know about who killed Epstein and was he in on it or DID HE DO IT?
Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world. Other than Epstein and Maxwell, he is also the most guilty person and has the most to lose. There is 0 evidence that he actually killed Epstein.....but somebody did.
It could have been Clinton or any of the rich and powerful serial predators. This we will never know. But we do now know that Trump was a criminal, serial predator of these underage girls based on the extremely overwhelming, legally admissible circumstantial evidence that would convict him in a criminal trial.
In addition to that, his behavior is that of somebody that is 100% guilty and knows it.
Thank you Larry. I got it.
MM. enough said until we find out about your forth coming apology and retraction to several posts or when I admit he sure fooled me because I do not believe it as of this day. From my post above.
Thanks, Larry and mcfarm!
Larry characterized me pretty well.
mcfarm, this isn't a competition to see/prove who is right or wrong for me.
I generously share facts here and often do extensive analysis on weather, markets, price charts, climate science, chess, politics and more to share my God given gifts as an analyst with people who enjoy reading it and who often benefit from many of the insights...............for free. At the same time, I learn an enormous amount myself while doing it and from others here(Larry has tuned me into tons of weather/climate things which have enriched what I know).
Opinions of others that DISagree with me are encouraged and respected. They cause me to sincerely fact check myself. This has the impact of either learning something new or further boosting my confidence that all the facts point in 1 direction.
And this can change. For instance, I started, a month ago by assuming that Donald Trump was innocent. Since then, my investigation, with extensive facts that I've shared, tells us that he is not.
I'm an objective, independent scientist by training and mentality.
I don't affiliate strongly with a party or to individuals in that party but I do speak out EXTREMELY vigorously for what's right and what's wrong based on the objective facts and a personal belief system that places human beings and our planet at the highest priority.
‘She’d be screaming from the rooftops’: family of Virginia Guiffre speaks out on Maxwell prison treatment
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/us/video/virginia-guiffre-family-ghislaine-maxwell-ebof-digvid
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/08/politics/epstein-maxwell-survivors-analysis
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Trump continues to mismanage Epsteingate to the max. By claiming that this is all a hoax perpetrated by the Ds and that he, Donald J Trump is the victim is such a galactic, disrespectful insult to the many REAL victims.
under aged girls used and abused as sex toys by rich and powerful men. Criminal predators like Donald J Trump for 2 decades.
Dehumanized to be possessions that can be stolen and poached, to use trumps own words about the most outspoken of them……….who died suddenly this past April.
This latest strategy, that continues to reject the emotion EMPATHY for other people which Trump is incapable of, instead tries to sell these horrific crimes again young girls as being more fake news manufactured by the Ds to hurt him. This is a new low point in the life of Donald Trump.
I thought that it was unlikely that he will ever suffer consequences for his despicable past as a serial predator., sometimes of under aged girls that he and, especially Epstein preyed on because he has total control of all the information and people that are in charge of it.
This is another profound demonstration of the dangers of an authoritarian ruler. No checks and balances. Nobody above them to reign in extreme behavior and extreme policies and extreme damage in the making, as his tariffs are. Allowing him to take the most ruinous paths for everybody as the most powerful man in the world that strikes fear in those who have the power to oppose him.
So here is why this latest strategical blunder, just greatly increased his risk.
All those REAL victims and their families are being so incredibly disrespected and hurt all over again, this time verbally by Donald Trump is Fueling massive incentive for them to speak out
Its been almost impossible for victims to find the couragebecause of the deaths threats(and real deaths to show it’s more than just a threat) and hush money, Trumps favorite to pay off woman and giirls But the chances of several of them coming forward just soared higher.
We know they are out there amd they are THE ONE THING THAT TRUMP CANT CONTROL. Many to most of them know who some of the others are and have caring adults with support groups assisting them.
Trumps behavior here has a good chance of motivating enough outrage to overcome their fear of him and the other rich and powerful men that have paid no,price for their serial predatory behavior. and crimes. We know this happened but we just don’t know who the victims are and who the predators are./were.
Im not saying this because I want it to happen, and I definite ly do but am just stating a stone cold fact about how Trump just greatly increased the chances of it happening.
It’s in this new, Trump created environment , where victims are most likely to be Believed. Most likely to get empathy from the vast majority. Most,likely to hold the predators accountable. Now, we just wait , to see if we get some victims with names.
The media and Ds completely own Trump here, mainly because Trump is his own worst enemy.
All they need to do is to report the authentic facts and let President Trump do the rest in a desperate, counterproductive effort to convince the world that something we know for sure happened …..didn’t really happen.
The Ds, media and advocates of the many survivors will be making a great effort to oppose Trumps effort to sweep this under the rug as a hoax , with him being the victim not them.
They have the truth on their side to oppose the most powerful man in the world who victimized them, along with many other predators , who just like Trump……used their wealth and power to victimize under age girls as their sex toys.
As I stated 100 posts ago to MAGA:
Be careful for what you wish for…….because you might just get it!
https://nypost.com/2025/08/09/us-news/doj-moves-to-unseal-epstein-maxwell-grand-jury-exhibits/
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What joke!
What a cover up!
This would be like people wanting to know about the entire 2024 baseball season, including how the play off and World Series games went and the only information released is about the preseason games and being told that there was nothing important to know after that, so they keep that information to themselves.
When they do finally release that information about the entire season..........all the games that featured certain teams that they didn't want to win.........are completely deleted from the records and presented as complete records about the season.
Then tell us the other games were just a hoax made up by the winning teams.
And brag about how transparent they are!
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And who does the R Congress subpoena to testify under oath?
No, not the serial predator and best friend of Jeffrey Epstein for 15 years, but........ BILL CLINTON from the D party.
Granted, Clinton has enormous circumstantial evidence against him that is compelling (not nearly the amount that makes Trump guilty from a criminal case standard ) but c'mon!!! Even MAGA will see what they are trying to do............ok, maybe some in MAGA???
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David Letterman knew the difference between right and wrong when it comes to rapists. Trump, even in 1992 argued with crystal clarity that he thought that money and power is the most important factor, NOT justice or the victim!
It's only going to get worse for Trump because nearly 100% of the evidence, from his past behavior and verbiage shows this pathological mindset. Some of that evidence is powerful, legally defined circumstantial evidence, shown at MarketForum in the previous thread that proves his guilt.
This video above is not at all part of that evidence. It just shows his mindset.
Evidence that contradicts this mindset or that contradicts the tons of circumstantial evidence does not exist, so the Trump team needs to use lies (from Maxwell and others) as well as censorship and covering up as their defense tactic.
They can do this because Trump has control of the information, as well as R control of both houses in Congress.
No question that the Ds and MSM are pouncing on this because Trump is an R.
That doesn't make Trump innocent, which is all I care about.
What's worse........... attacking a guilty person with political bias because he's from the other party and you want to hold them accountable or defending a guilty person because he's from your party and you want them to be innocent?
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In this video, a much younger Trump makes it clear that he thinks the predator/rapist was the victim and that victims should just be paid off and this is Trump justice (Tyson fighting to make 6 million dollars and donating that to rape victims instead of serving a long sentence in prison).
This is exactly that Trump has done, pay hush money to keep interactions with women and underage girls in his past that he doesn't want the public to know about.
"Insofar as the motion to unseal implies that the grand jury materials are an untapped mine load of undisclosed information about Epstein or Maxwell or confederates, they are definitely not that," the judge wrote.
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Exactly! Just a disingenuous stunt by the Trump cover up team to fake transparency.
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It's takes some pretty extreme denial-ism to not see the Trump team covering up for their chief predator. Every fact points to this. No facts point away from it. FACTS, not lies from Trump.
Don't forget, we already had 1 of Trump's under aged victims try to speak out but he made her go away.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770
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1. Was this woman just making stuff up, especially since the first time she had no legal representation/attorney or advice that suggests she did it on her own?
2. Or did Trump scare her and pay her off?
The powerful circumstantial evidence strongly suggests #2, especially since her attorney stated she was too afraid to move forward because of the threats.
It's still early in Eptein-gate. I would be surprised if additional victims don't come forward. I would be even more surprised if Trump has to ever pay a legal price with him controlling the US intelligence and legal systems right now.
just a further erosion in peoples trust in him is all. Or for people that trust a Cobra snake more than Trump, additional evidence to bolster their opinions
The guy tried to overthrow the democratic government/overturn the results of the 2020 election that he lost, culminating with his failed Insurrection on January 6, 2021 WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE!!!! and is now the president again in his 2nd term.
What's a few rapes of underage girls and 2+ decades of being a serial sexual predator compared to that???
Seriously, some of his loyal MAGA crowd may finally see the REAL Donald Trump over this.
What does “some” mean? Low single digits??
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/11/politics/epstein-files-judge-ruling-grand-jury-materials
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This smart judge completely obliterated Trump's bamboozling scheme!
Innocent people don't use bamboozling scheme's and cover ups to try to mislead others. They just don't!
That's because THE TRUTH exonerates them AND THEY USE IT!
Trump knows what he did. This is why he isn't using the truth.
The profound, legally significant, circumstantial evidence tells us clearly why President Trump is doing fraudulent back flips trying to cover this up and NOT release the files.
Jeffrey Epstein had many hundreds of under age victims during his 2 decades running his sex trafficking ring. It defined him. Donald Trump has a long history of predatory behavior with women(many paid off with hush money-most of them we will never know about).
One would have to be oblivious to the facts and ability to connect the dots to not see that the same best friends for 15 years, Epstein and Trump that complimented each others taste in women and admired each other..........featured a Jeffrey Epstein, committing many hundreds of sex crimes against under age girls during their relationship and a Donald Trump never having any idea.
The fact is, being sexual predators and sharing this together is exactly why they were best friends for these 15 years.
Trump, like all the other rich and powerful men has covered this up. The question is not whether these men exist (and Donald Trump is one of them) but which ones played a role in killing Jeffrey Epstein to prevent him from giving out their names for the plea bargain he was going to make.
We don't have any direct evidence that Donald Trump is one of them that killed Epstein but we know more about his involvement than all the other predators combined.
Jeffrey Epstein
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Started by metmike - July 16, 2025, 9:34 p.m.
It’s true that Mr. Trump has not been accused of doing anything wrong. Neither have any of the rich and,powerful predators that committed sex crimes , victimizing these under age girls.
But we know they are out there and we know they are being protected.
This is why Trump won’t release the files. Because he is one of them.
We can be pretty sure that Bill Clinton is another one of them.
Trump sure knows how to pick his best friends.
Jeffrey Epstein for 15 years.
In 2025, now it's psychopath Netanyahu from Israel.
While most of the civilized world condemns Israel and Netanyahu for their horrific genocide in Gaza, Mr Trump vigorously defends and assists him.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/14/politics/hunter-biden-melania-trump
“You know, I’ve done pretty well on these lawsuits lately. And I said, go forward.
Melania Trump is seeking $1 billion in damages if they don’t take down the video. She also wants a formal apology from Hunter Biden.
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$1,000,000,000 over 1 statement during a radio broadcast
At least he they're picking a battle with somebody they could win against compared to a near 0% chance of winning against the Wall Street Journal over something that the WSJ has the goods on Trump with and the lawyers to back them up.
Having a battle with Hunter Biden is always a great strategy to get Rs to support you!
But here's the problem. President Trump wants this to go away. The main thing that this lawsuit did was bring this topic back to the top of the headline news.
Most people would have never known what Hunter stated and even more would not have cared about anything that 0 credibility Hunter Biden had to say..............until this lawsuit made it big news.
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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-prince-andrew-women-royal-book-2113528
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre_v._Prince_Andrew
Virginia Giuffre v. Prince Andrew was a lawsuit filed in U.S. federal court in which Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts) sued Prince Andrew, Duke of York, second son of Queen Elizabeth II, for sexual assault. Giuffre's lawsuit, filed under New York's Child Victims Act, alleged that she was forced to have several sexual encounters with Andrew in the early 2000s at the age of 17, after being sex trafficked by the American financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.[1][2] Andrew denied Giuffre's claims. The lawsuit was filed in August 2021 in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, and was assigned to senior U.S. district judge Lewis A. Kaplan.
Giuffre and Andrew reached an out-of-court settlement in February 2022, and the case was dismissed by the parties' stipulation in March 2022 without going to trial
Even though the amount of money set to be given by the Duke to Giuffre has not been officially disclosed, The Daily Telegraph estimated that it could be as high as £12 million ($16.3 million[65]), with the Queen partly funding it by giving £2 million to Giuffre's sex trafficking charity.
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We can be pretty confident that the predator's team didn't cough up $16+ million for something he didn't do.
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Virginia Giuffre suddenly died by suicide in April this year. Looks extraordinarily suspicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjzulIo6byg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amBb2438FYM
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I don't have the evidence to support her death NOT being a suicide similar to the very compelling evidence that Jeffrey Epstein did NOT commit suicide. He was clearly murdered to keep him from speaking out to get a plea deal for lesser conviction and sentence by the prosecutor(s). Half a dozen weird coincidences, a couple extremely unlikely, all happening that night which prevented the jail from monitoring and protecting Epstein properly were something like a 1 in a million chance of occurring this way. I don't buy into conspiracy theories.........I BUST them.
When most of the authentic facts all point in 1 direction, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's compelling EVIDENCE that we use to help tell us about what actually happened and we can use that to try to figure out WHY it happened.
Some lawyer was on a TV interview. He had sent out many subpoenas in 2009 to several very high connected to Epstein types. He says Trump is the only one to contact him and offer to answer any question he had. Very odd behavior for a guy "some" at this site claim he is 100% guilty and does not even deserve due process.....Hell we don't need evidence or a jury just hang the dude. Meanwhile if had only happened to have that get out of jail "D" by his name... Crickets.....Damn.
Thanks, mcfarm,
I agree 100% that is very odd behavior from a guy that is doing everything in his power to PREVENT the release of the information that he has the power to release. The information that his side promised to release.........until they found out how many times Trump was in it.
Very odd behavior for a guy that has blatantly lied dozens of times about the relationship and circumstances of his relationship with Epstein.
Tried to bully the Wall Street Journal with a $5,000,000,000 lawsuit (and to fake like he was a victim) then had to slither away like a snake when they wouldn't back down because HE KNOWS THEY PUBLISHED THE TRUTH!
I've already presented the very compelling, legally admissible(in many cases) circumstantial evidence about Trump which includes an actual underage victim that came forward 2 times in 2016, before Trump paid her and scared her off(according to her attorney).
He was crystal clearly a sex predator for well over 2 decades, that included 15 years as Epstein's best friend.
We know that there are many hundreds of victims. If you want to believe that all the other unknown, rich and powerful men were the predators(we know with certainty that Prince Andrew was 1 of them and extremely likely that Bill Clinton was another) but 1 of them isn't Trump, that's your choice.
However, the circumstantial evidence against Trump is even GREATER than that against Clinton. And Congress is calling for Clinton to testify but NOT Trump. No surprise there. those 2.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-william-barr-deposition-congress/
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Nice to see some of the media doing their jobs as investigative journalists asking questions about the impossibly bizarre, half a dozen really unlikely things happening at the same time as an explanation for how Epstein killed himself.
He WAS killed to keep him from plea bargaining by releasing the names of the predators like Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and MANY others.
Republicans in Congress managed to recess for the summer without voting on the issue, but it has continued to dog them and awaits them when they return.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/18/us/politics/republicans-epstein-files.html
https://newrepublic.com/post/199340/donald-trump-epstein-files-bill-barr-testimony
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Trump and the Rs are in control of almost all the information. The only thing that could really burn Trump is if some of his numerous hush money agreements with women/girls was broken (like when Stormy Daniels broke the hush money/NDA agreement because Trump as president meant she could get more money than he gave her previously to keep quiet......by coming out with her prostitution relationship with him).
We had an under age victim of Trump's come out in 2016. She came out 2 times actually but Trump paid her off and her attorney claimed the threats to her made her afraid to testify.............so she became another of the victims/survivors that were paid off and threatened into silence by the rich predators that hung out with Jeffrey Epstein to satiate their pathological, sexual attraction to under age girls.
We also know with certainty that Prince Andrew was one of them because that brave victim came out and became famous. She is not a survivor, sadly because she died suddenly earlier this year from suicide.
We can have very high confidence that Bill Clinton was also one of the predators but not as high as Donald Trump.
And we know there are many others. Hundreds of under age girls paid off with hush money/threatened by men that for 99.9% sure killed Epstein to keep him from plea bargaining with their names to get a better sentence.
3 of the victims are also dead from odd circumstances. I don't have the compelling evidence to show that they were killed like Epstein was. It's possible that these horrific predators that wrecked their victims/survivors teen years with sexual abuse and threatened their lives if they spoke out caused such massive depression and fear that they did really kill themselves.
Either way, these predators caused their deaths!!!
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/20/trump-epstein-grand-jury-judge-diversion.html
That trove of roughly 100,000 pages of files “dwarf[s] the 70 odd pages of Epstein grand jury materials,” Berman wrote.
The Trump administration does not need the courts to approve the release of its Epstein files, the judge wrote. He added that the administration had previously committed to publicly releasing those records, before reversing itself in July.
“The government is the logical party to make comprehensive disclosure to the public of the Epstein files,” Berman wrote.
“By comparison, the instant grand jury motion appears to be a ‘diversion’ from the breadth and scope of the Epstein files in the government’s possession.”
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Predator Trump is blocking the release of the files because he's in them!
Quote of the day August, 2025+
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110687/#114091
By metmike - Aug. 21, 2025, 2:32 p.m.
August 22, 2025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/1ktqm57/donald_trump_made_30573_false_or_misleading/
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/22/nx-s1-5509535/epstein-files-congress-house-oversight-committee-trump
Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer, R-Ky., has said at least some of those files will eventually be made public.
"We're going to be transparent. We're doing what we said we would do. We're getting the documents," Comer told reporters on Capitol Hill this week. "And I believe the White House will work with us."
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Who actually believes this?
Everything that we get will fall into 3 categories.
1. Stuff that doesn't have Predator Trump in it
2. Stuff that they have doctored to take out Predator Trump
3. Stuff that appears to vindicate Predator Trump, like Maxwell's lies.
There is a no chance that Trump would allow it any other way. NONE! This is like, no brainer logic.
Then, they will pretend like they were transparent and released everything they could and Predator Trump will pretend to be vindicated and insist that we all move on.
Donald Trump wasn't really a predator of women for most of his adult life, including together with best friend, Jeffrey Epstein for 15 years. Ignore all that evidence. Pretend the woman that he made go away in 2016, ready to testify 2 different times that Predator Trump and Predator Epstein raped her together when she was 13 was just our imagination.
Reality: She was paid off with a hush money agreement by Trump and threatened her to keep her from testifying and pressuring her to drop the lawsuit.
Josh Russell / September 30, 2016
https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
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There were many hundreds of under age victims/survivors, JUST LIKE THIS.
Where are they? We know with certainty that the predators who victimized them are rich and powerful men that have used the same strategy which Predator Trump has used his entire life.
Pay them off with hush money agreements and threaten their lives.
The predators:
Where are they? Who are they? Why do they continue to be protected?(other than their wealth and power).
Evidence of how serious their threats are to the survivors in the real world is seen from them killing Epstein and 3 of the victims, suddenly dying recently. Again, only the Epstein case has the 99% compelling evidence that it was a murder. Some of the others are suspicious however.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-doj-documents-08-22-25
Bizarre exchange: Maxwell acknowledged that Epstein preferred younger women, of legal age, but said he liked them not because of anything sexual but because they were “invigorating” and “up to date on music” and brought new “ideas” to the table.
Bill Clinton: Maxwell said to her knowledge that the former president never received a massage while in her presence and never went to Epstein’s private island.
Admiring Trump:Maxwell complimented Trump for “his extraordinary achievement” of becoming president. She said she only visited Mar-a-Lago once or twice, for an event, alone. Epstein, who she described to be in closer touch with Trump than her, visited separately.
Maxwell, when asked whether RFK Jr. ever received a massage, added: “if I didn’t make it clear, I will reiterate it. I never, ever saw any man doing something inappropriate with a woman of any age. I never saw inappropriate habits.”
“Now, somebody’s inappropriate and mine may be different, but – we’re not talking about anything that resembles the accusations that we’ve discussed here,” Maxwell said. “So that would be a flat no to any man.”
Maxwell says she has no recollection of Trump being in Epstein’s 50th birthday book From CNN's Casey Gannon
Ghislaine Maxwell was asked by Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche in her interview if she recalled Donald Trump being included in a 50th birthday book that she made for Jeffrey Epstein’s birthday.
“I don’t,” Maxwell said when asked if she remembered if Trump submitted a letter or card for the book. The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this summer that the collection of letters included one with Trump’s name on it. The president has repeatedly denied writing the note and filed a libel lawsuitagainst the news outlet.
Maxwell assembled the book for Epstein’s 50th birthday.
“Epstein would talk about his 50th, he said, I don’t know what I’m going to do. And I said, well, these are nice things, my mom did this book for my dad. He said, I love that idea,” she said.
Maxwell recalled seeing parts of the birthday book during discovery before her trial.
“President Trump, there was nothing from President Trump,” Maxwell said.
She also said she did not remember seeing any picture of a naked woman, a detail that was previously reported by the Journal.
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What can we glean from this conversation?
1. This lady will blatantly lie to cover up for herself and all the predators, especially Trump.
2. She's already on the record previously of telling lies/pergery. Lies are what people that commit crimes use to defend themselves because the truth, based on the evidence is why they end up in prison. The truth always works...........WHEN YOU ARE INNOCENT.
3. The numerous, things that she stated that make no sense are likely lies. If we believe her, she did nothing wrong and the victims/survivors were all lying. She witnessed nothing wrong being done. There were no victims and none of Epsteins rich and powerful friends did nothing wrong. In fact, according to her, Epstein liked young women but not under age women FOR THEIR MINDS not for sex. WOW!
4. Predator Trump has reached out to her, so that she would tell these lies to do what he thinks will vindicate him. He moved her to a nice prison facility in a different state as part of this bribe.
5. This has to be the biggest kick in the teeth to the hundreds of victims/survivors. Tearing open their wounds by elevating a key person in the under age, sex trafficking ring, whose clients were numerous, rich and powerful men that she and others are covering for. A person that should spend the rest of their lives in prison..........being used by Predator Trump as his key character witness. That's about right for Predator Trump's pathological mentality.
6. This is all being presented in front of the American people, hoping that we are all stupid and/or gullible.
7. There's a chance that if she had agreed to testify against many of these men, she would be dead, like Epstein who was murdered to prevent him from giving up their names to get a plea bargain.
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Epstein’s death: In the interview, Maxwell said, “I do not believe he died by suicide, no.” She was asked to speculate on who might have killed him, and she said she didn’t know, though did suggest it could have been an unrelated attack in prison.
That's one of the few things that I believe from her!
Predator Maxwell had no credibility before this. Now we know why. 
MAGA Reacts to Ghislaine Maxwell's Trump Comments
https://www.newsweek.com/maga-reacts-ghislaine-maxwell-trump-comments-2118163
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, wrote that Maxwell's testimony had "vindicated" Trump.
Trump loyalist Laura Loomer, a conservative activist, told Politico that she is hopeful that the release of the transcripts will quell the "nasty, salacious lies and rumors" circulating online about Trump.
She said she believes Maxwell's testimony proves that Trump "has always been an honorable person."
Other MAGA influencers also argued that Maxwell's testimony clears the president.
"If Trump was an Epstein client, the Deep State would've already leaked it," Rogan O'Handley, who is known as "D.C Draino," wrote on X.
Greenewrote on X: "Ghislaine Maxwell says President Trump was never inappropriate with anyone and was a perfect gentleman in all respects!
Damn the enormous pile of evidence and authentic facts..........a proven liar and convicted felon of sex trafficking hundreds of underage girls, Predator Maxwell that has already been moved to a nice facility to lie for Trump(and may get pardoned for her horrific crimes) claims that Predator Trump.......was actually a gentleman and not the predator of women, which THE EVIDENCE shows he was.
She also insists that she is completely innocent and the victims/survivors are all mistaken. And that Predator Epstein liked these girls for their minds, never for sex and none of the ones that he interacted with were under age.
And MAGA BELIEVES HER!!!!!
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Predator Trump, for sure has gotten one thing exactly right!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape
He threatened/scared and paid off this under age victim with hush money as he has done with most of his relationships that he doesn't want in the public domain:
Monday, August 25, 2025
Rape Allegations Refiled Against Trump
Josh Russell / September 30, 2016
https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
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Here in August 2025, we're supposed to believe that these hundreds of victims/survivors(3 are dead-in addition to Epstein who was murdered) were all just mistaken or making it up. There were no clients. There were no crimes. Nothing happened that was wrong. There are no rich and powerful men, like Donald Trump that preyed on hundreds of these under aged girls for 2 decades. They all imagined it and were completely mistaken. Epstein liked the young but 18+ aged girls for their minds and never had sex with them.
Predator Epstein was innocent. Predator Maxwell is innocent and SHE IS THE VICTIM IN PRISON. And because Predator Maxwell is vouching for him, Predator Trump is also A VICTIM from people out to get him.
Like the other rich and powerful men in the Epstein files that did nothing wrong he and everybody else is innocent.
But they won't release the Epstein files. We just have to believe them and Predator Maxwell. Predator Trump is an honorable man that did nothing wrong and has always been respectful to women.
I’m a bit confused. Wasn’t MAGA very divided about Epstein-gate? People like Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, and MTG?
Thanks, Larry!
Yes, in this Twilight Zone of the real world, it's extremely confusing. However, the most consistent dynamic is the mind control that Trump has over MAGA. MAGA religion and their cult like, blind allegiance to Trump causes an underlying, overwhelming need to believe everything that favors Trump. Giving an extreme over-weighting of facts so that if there is ANYTHING that supports Predator Trump, no matter how flimsy or bogus it gets most of the weighting and bumps out all the contradicting, authentic facts which are bad for Trump.
Not all of MAGA is convinced that Trump was proven innocent by this testimony but its tough to guess on a number because the biased media continues to spin it.
Fox and sources like this want us all to think that this is all made up and Trump is being victimized again by his enemies. They want us to use Maxwell's testimony as solid proof that Trump is vindicated and Trump is innocent and never did anything wrong.
MAGA goes to these sources to find out what to think. MAGA is unable to think objectively. They are incapable of independently, identifying individual topics that high priests in the Trump religion, like Fox are selling them snake oil on. They go to Fox to find out what to think and to have their versions of the world they wish was true constantly reinforced. Predator Trump intentionally exploits this as Fox does, they collude on their strategy to use it to steal the intelligence of Fox viewers and MAGA for their self serving/enriching agenda.
If you want to find out what MAGA thinks, just tune into Fox in the evening and listen to sermons from the MAGA religion/clut high priests.
Anyways, the absurdity/insanity of using one of the world most famous, convicted felons for numerous, long lived egregious violations against underage girls with her and Epstein's sex trafficking business for rich and powerful men,......as a source OF WORDS(that contradict the events/facts) that are crystal clearly lies (she still claims her and Epstein are innocent) to go with her countless previous lies, including committing perjury while under oath tons of times........as proof of innocence, truly is laughable.
But then, it isn't so funny when you realize that MAGA sources/gatekeepers are proclaiming this as proof that Trump is completely innocent, there's nothing in the Epstein files and its time to move on.
This would be like the leader of a cult, using testimony from Charles Manson (who gets a promise of a pardon) as proof they were never a cult leader!
But here's the thing. The members of that cult would completely believe the testimony of Charles Manson because, by definition, being in a cult is like a religion. You have unshakeable faith in the tenets of the cult regardless of authentic facts that contradict it in the real world.
Trump knows this well and exploits it brilliantly. He made that crystal clear when he told us that he could shoot somebody and not lose support.
I'll give you a real world example. This lady below(and the rape victim that came forward in 2016) sound credible and at the very least, their stories sound reasonable. They have no history of lying. They have no history of political activism against Rs. They aren't in prison for crimes related to this, trying to get out.
But how much weighting do they, others and all the other facts (documents, actions and words) that PROVE the long lived close relationship between Predator Trump and Predator Epstein get and how much weighting does Predator Maxwell get?
Based on statements from MAGA gatekeepers, like Fox or Margie Green after the testimony, it appears to be this:
Maxwell's testimony: 99%
Everything else 1%
Epstein accuser recounts Trump's late-night visit to Epstein's office
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/21/politics/video/epstein-accuser-maria-farmer-trump-ebof-digvid
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As somebody that understands human psychology and behavior, Trump using Maxwell for his character witness and this scheme is even more powerful evidence that he's guilty. Think about how insane this is.
INSTEAD OF RELEASING THE EPSTEIN FILES, AS PROMISED.
1. Trump suddenly sent the #2 person in the US justice department(and his personal attorney) to interview Predator Maxwell about Predator Trump's role and other things over the course of 2 days.
2. Of the ~350 million people living in the United States, Predator Maxwell is in absolute last place for credibility on this issue. The only one with convictions base on massive evidence over the course of 2 decades. The one that has told the most lies about it
3. Suddenly, Predator Maxwell is moved from the prison, where she was sentenced to serve, in the state of FL, to a much nicer facility in TX. Predator Trump says that he has the right to pardon her if he wants.
4. The interview of Maxwell is released and it's chock full of blatant, already proven lies (she's innocent and Epstein liked young but 18+ aged girls for their minds but never had sex with them-for instance). This goes with the constant lies she's been spouting about everything related to her sex trafficking ring all along. All the victims are mistaken. No crimes were committed. There are no rich and powerful men.
5. Predator Maxwell tells us that Predator Trump never did anything wrong and he's an honorable man, along with other compliments. This is now the paraded narrative that we are, now all supposed to consider as the definitive fact that proves that Donald Trump is completely innocent of everything related to actual facts(which is some extremely powerful circumstantial evidence). The Ds are just making up everything else. Maxwell just proved it.
6. But no release of the Epstein files. INTENTIONALLY held back.
These are all actions that point indisputably to a person's guilt. The reason is that innocent people are transparent and use the truth to defend themselves. The TRUTH sets them free.
Guilty people use corrupt schemes like Trump just did with Predator Maxwell, TO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE TRUTH. He elevated the world's LEAST credible person on this topic to his infallible character witness even as she spouted for sure lies throughout her testimony.
Only a guilty person would do this!!!!!!!!!!!
The MAGA message gatekeepers want to believe this because that's what cults do but people with an iota of critical thinking can be extremely confident that Trump's cover up, dishonest schemes and numerous blatant lies clearly tell us that Predator Trump has made an intentional decision to use everything but the TRUTH.
Only a guilty person would do this!!!!!
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The Fox and MAGA take here is delusional and completely detached for the facts/truth.
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https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2025/08/24/the-bizarro-epstein-investigations-00521939
If you put it all together, an unfortunate verdict emerges: The public has learned pretty much nothing new from the government about the Epstein investigation since this controversy kicked off.
What they have learned, perhaps, is that the Trump White House, the Trump DOJ and House Republicans have provided the appearance of investigative activity and of forward momentum — but that that appearance is, in fact, an illusion.
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This is exactly what cover ups of the truth do when protecting a party that did something wrong.
Virginia Giuffre's family said they are "outraged" by the agency's decision to release transcripts from Maxwell's "bizarre interview" with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche
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Rep. Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the House committee investigating Epstein's case, also said “many of the victims” will meet with lawmakers next week on Capitol Hill.
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Even MAGA will have a hard time denying the naked woman was drawn by Predator Trump and what he meant by their "secret". At a time when Trump insists that he had already broken up with his best friend, the world's most notorious, under age sex trafficker.
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The report comes amid heightened scrutiny of his relationship with the accused sex trafficker.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/17/trump-epstein-wall-street-journal-00461787
According to The Wall Street Journal, the letter signed by Trump wishes Epstein a happy birthday and tells him, “may every day be another wonderful secret.” The letter featured lines of typewritten text framed by a drawing of a naked woman, with Trump’s name signed below the woman’s waist.
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Here's what showing the letter should pretty much prove. That Predator Trump is blatantly lying about being the one who wrote it.
1. People being investigated that tell provable big lies, can't rely on the truth to vindicate themselves or else they would use the truth. When they tell huge lies about many elements of the story, it's because they don't want us to know the truth.
2. Since we know he's blatantly lying to cover up their "secret" it doesn't take a genius to know what the "secret" was, especially coming in a letter with a naked woman and not that long after Trump had publicly stated:
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
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As Trump tries to claim he was ‘not a fan’ of Epstein, photos, videos and anecdotes paint a picture of their relationship
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/18/trump-epstein-friendship
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Trumps absurd attempt to use the least credible person on the planet (Maxwell) as his character witness/alibi is also a clear indicator of pathological thinking as well as trying to cover up the truth.
Incredibly, using Maxwell actually did work for many in the MAGA cult but for clear thinking people, it was more powerful evidence of his desperation to cover up the truth.
He's managed to survive every scandal, including his Insurrection, attempting to overthrow our democracy and the results of the proven loss he had to Biden in 2020 by every single authentic measure/standard (which he still lies about constantly to this day).
He should survive this one too because the Rs have the majority in both houses and have been allowing him to abuse his power by not using THEIR power in the Constitution to challenge any of his decisions and NOT follow the separation of power that our democracy is based on.
There is a 100% chance that Trump was a predator of women for well over 2 decades based on all the powerful, proven evidence. He is blocking the Epstein files from being released because he's in them as Epstein's best friend for 15+ years(according to Epstein's words).
No telling where this will go. I think there's a good chance that he will have to release the Epstein files but here's what I speculate that Trump will do.
He will redact everything that has his name or connection to him in the Epstein files and pretend that this is transparency.
Let's face it. There were supposedly hundreds of underage victims over the course of 2 decades in Epstein/Maxwell's underage sex trafficking business.
The many predators(that are are being protected) were rich and powerful men who have paid off the victims(with hush money) and threatened their lives with legit threats.
99% chance that Epstein was murdered(based on the authentic facts) to prevent his plea bargain with the prosecutor to reveal the predators and get a good deal.
3 of the underage girls are dead too, including Virginia Giuffre that died by suicide less than 5 months ago after coming out. We don't have the same compelling facts to show they were killed like Epstein was. We will never know.
Regardless, we KNOW these rich and powerful predators exist and what they did. All the compelling circumstantial evidence points convincingly towards Predator Trump as being one of them.
One of my biggest questions is:'
Who(s) killed Jeffery Epstein? We have no evidence at all that it was Predator Trump but somebody(s) did it.
Spare me the 1 million to 1 chances of all the things they claimed happened at the same time that night being the real evidence.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/31/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-trump
For example, Blanche asked Maxwell whether people around Epstein – including the numerous high-profile and powerful men who had known him – were associating with him for the purpose of sexual encounters. In her reply Maxwell said that some of the “cast of characters” around Epstein were “in your cabinet, who you value as your co-workers”.
Despite the fact that Maxwell had just openly mentioned Epstein associates as being in Trump’s current cabinet, Blanche – a hardened lawyer not known for missing a trick in trial argument – did not pause to ask Maxwell to identify the cabinet members she was referring to.
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COVER UP!!!!
Updated 7:53 PM EDT, Tue September 2, 2025
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/epstein-files-release-09-02-25
Democrats said prior to the public release of the files by the committee that most of the information had already been made public previously.
“The 33,000 pages of Epstein documents James Comer has decided to ‘release’ were already mostly public information. To the American people – don’t let this fool you,” the top Democrat on House Oversight, Rep. Robert Garcia said in a statement.
“After careful review, Oversight Democrats have found that 97% of the documents received from the Department of Justice were already public. There is no mention of any client list or anything that improves transparency or justice for victims.”
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HUGE cover up. They will NEVER release anything that has Trump's relationship to his best friend for 15 years, Jeffrey Epstein. in it. Nothing released that makes him look bad.
If they wanted, they could have released ALL the files months ago. They didn't because it's a COVER UP!
Dozens of survivors gathered in Washington, D.C. demanding Congress release all documents related to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell cases
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If we can get some of these victims to gain the strength and give up their hush money agreements to start naming names, we could be in the drivers seat.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-victims-files-release-press-live-updates-2123814
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Clearly they are protecting the predators.
Maybe the victims will start releasing the names????
There are 2 main reasons why these victims/survivors are not telling us the names.
1. They have enforceable hush money agreements they would need to violate which will have negative consequences, that include giving up all the money they get for staying quiet.
2. Their lives would be at risk.
3. Things that we don't know about
At the very least, Trump is protecting some of his huge donors and/or somebody(s) in his current administration or a business partner. Possibly himself.
It makes ZERO sense to be continuing the cover up charade because it has gotten worse and worse and worse.
He keeps extremely violating/insulting all the victims by insisting that this is fake news and just a hoax perpetrated by the Ds to hurt him, which is making him look worse and worse as this goes on.
This makes no sense. It's a totally losing strategy.........unless who they are protecting is worth more than the losses from this disastrous strategy.
Hey Mike,
Do you sincerely think that this may make Trump more dangerous?
Do you sincerely think that this may make Trump more dangerous?
Thanks, Larry!
I reread my posts and didn't see anything like that in there and didn't think that was something conveyed but maybe that's something you are thinking/wondering.
I think there are many, MANY other things that make Trump far more dangerous.
For instance, his ruinous tariffs by several orders of magnitude are destroying our relationships with other countries in more ways than just trading. As well as penalizing US companies and US consumers and US producers that export their products.
On this, He and the Rs are just displaying their morally bankrupt, dishonest, disingenuous, anti transparent, political, lack of empathy for human beings that greatly suffered from numerous rich and powerful predators that they are protecting, which clearly includes names of men in the R party.
OR THEY WOULD JUST RELEASE THE FILES.
Nothing is stopping them from releasing the files, other than that. They could do it today if they wanted. ALL OF THEM should have been released months ago, AS PROMISED.
This is never going away until they do some version of that because the D's have them by the balls and yes, it's political for them or they would have pushed for the release when Biden was president.
So far, they have released stuff that is NOTHING and presented it as SOMETHING. They have turned a despicable predator and convicted sex trafficker, Maxwell into an ally and used her lies as well as rewarded her for them.
This is what I will speculate.
The number of pages in the files is massive, so I think this is taking them some time but here is what i think will happen.
They will finally release all the files but they will be heavily redacted to protect people. THEY WILL CLAIM its to protect all the innocent victims/survivors but they will also redact information about the predators that they are mostly concerned about and have been protecting thus far.
Since we can't know what was in the unredacted version to compare it to, we can't challenge the redacted version.
Honestly, I'm surprised that their cover up to this point has been so stupid and exactly what has made it so much worse.
If they had just given us the redacted version, taking out that stuff they don't want us to know in the beginning and told us.........sorry, that's all there is, this would already be dying down.
Using Maxwell was a catastrophic blunder/backfire. Trump claiming this is a hoax is another catastrophic blunder/backfire. Releasing stuff that was already released and pretending this is transparency. Sending Congress on vacation early in hopes that this would go away.
These are the top people making key decisions that will determine the path forward for the United States. This topic has exposed them for who they are, how they think and how stupid they get.
To be honest, Larry this has been exercise in how dangerous they are to themselves with blunderous damage control tactics that revealed their true selves.
I can't see how this incident has been or will be a danger to us.
Snub and violate the victims and deny them justice? Yes!!! But we're watching them do it in real time and learning ABOUT THEM from it.
Larry,
just to elaborate on what I think makes this president most dangerous, besides the tariffs.
He investigates and/or fires anybody that disagrees with his policies.
Mail in voting/Trump's revenge justice
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Started by metmike - Aug. 21, 2025, 8:30 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/114099/
He has appointed dozens of incompetent people because they helped him get elected. This guy below will cause MANY deaths if his agenda is allowed:
RFK Jr. Says US Will Know Cause of Autism
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Started by metmike - April 10, 2025, 8:07 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/111103/
Anybody that appoints almost 2 dozen people to key position from the Twilight Zone of far right television has pathological thinking and is dangerous:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/21-fox-news-personalities-contributors-221718333.html
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Let's ask the people in Gaza if they think Trump is dangerous:
By commodityman - Sept. 1, 2025, 4:45 p.m.
Hey Mike, Didn’t you say you thought the Epstein investigation and other things might cause Trump to do some crazy (dangerous??) things in desperation to divert attention? He’s a master at diversion imho.
Thanks, Larry!
Actually I thought it was you that stated that Trump was doing other things to divert attention away from the Epstein scandal and I disagreed in the thread below. However, I will adjust that to say that NOW, because its going on so long that you are probably right about Trump changing his strategy to one that does things to divert attention away from it.
Re: more actual evidence of The Hoax
By WxFollower - July 19, 2025, 9:38 p.m.
Thanks, mc. I follow you. Clapper’s included.
But have you considered the conspiracy theory (CT) that this is now coming up (the timing) to try to reduce the Epstein stuff’s prominence? Is there any chance that this CT on the timing is true regardless of Clapper et al guilt?
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Re: Re: more actual evidence of The Hoax
By metmike - July 20, 2025, 1:06 a.m.
I highly doubt the Epstein stuff has anything to do,with this, especially since it’s the truth.
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It's possible that in one of my long winded rants I said something unintentionally that misled you(I couldn't find it). If that was the case, I apologize and have now clarified things earlier today.
I watched a very interesting Lawrence O’Donnell show last night that had a very brave lady on who claimed to be a victim of Maxwell/Epstein at age 14. She said she voted for Trump because she thought he’d have her back. But she was very disappointed that he then claimed all of the accusers were part of a big Dem hoax. But she’s not a Dem! She went out of her way to say she wasn’t saying Trump was guilty of doing inappropriate things with minors. Rather, after O’Donnell asked her to say what she wanted from Trump under the assumption he was watching, she begged him to support her and the other women who were victims. She feels he’s still capable of changing his tone about it being a hoax and start supporting all of these ladies.
This was a very interesting show!
That was interesting, Larry!
I will elaborate on something related to Trump/Epstein.
I think that most of or even all of the crimes that Epstein/Maxwell were convicted of, related to their under age sex trafficking business, occurred after Trump and his best friend Epstein busted up.
So I'm guessing that probably none of these current victims were victimized by Donald Trump.
However, PREVIOUS to their falling out and PREVIOUS to his sex trafficking business with Maxwell, Trump and Epstein picked up women/girls together. We had one victim come forward with her rape by them in the early 1990s, when she was 13.
I believe this woman!
Trump made her go away in 2016.
Josh Russell / September 30, 2016
https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
If this woman is still alive, she would need to break the hush money agreement with Trump and also find extraordinary courage to overcome her fear of being killed, which is legit.
Are there others?
Probably but we already know about this 13 year old girl and there is no way that Trump was hanging out with and picking up girls/women for 15 years with Epstein that he didn't know......in fact, he already publicly complimented Epstein regarding their shared appreciation for beautiful women and that Jeffrey likes them young.
Listen To The Jeffrey Epstein Tapes: ‘I Was Donald
Trump’s Closest Friend’
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU08/20250227/117951/HHRG-119-JU08-20250227-SD006-U6.pdf
Asked by Wolff, “How do you know all this?” Epstein replied, “I was Donald’s closest friend
for 10 years.
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Oct. 28, 2002
”Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
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Near 0% chance that they picked up women together for 15 years, with Epstein having sex with the under age girls he picked up then, that Trump somehow only hung out with him when Epstein and him were picking up girls 18+.
NO WAY!
But that was the 1990's to early 2000's. Most of these victims that were groomed and abused by Maxwell/Epstein happened AFTER that.
Trump is no longer a predator of women as he was for decades, so no longer a danger to women as he was.
However, he remains an extraordinarily dangerous, self serving predator in other realms, where his extremely pathological thinking along with abusing his position as the most powerful man in the world(with extreme over reach) is NEGATIVELY impacting billions of people!
Seriously, the fact that he appointed almost 2 dozen Fox news personality to key positions, by itself should have sent off alarm bells in the heads of clear thinking people.
Anybody that would HIRE RFK Jr., for instance has something wrong with them and after 8 months of that man revealing how bad he really is, to then DEFEND him is a person driven by delusional denialism and pathological thinking.
The biggest danger is that Trump is the most powerful person in the world!
You bet this is a legit concern!
RFK Jr. Says US Will Know Cause of Autism
By metmike - Aug. 23, 2025, 11:06 p.m.
Re: Re: RFK Jr. Says US Will Know Cause of Autism
By metmike - Aug. 29, 2025, 11:16 p.m.
Re: Re: RFK Jr. Says US Will Know Cause of Autism
By metmike - Sept. 4, 2025, 9:18 p.m.
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It's not just the United States being negatively impacted! Trump is hurting our country the most(destroying long lived beneficial relationships with many dozens of countries) but the impact of his ruinous decisions is global:
Re: Disappointing jobs report today (9/5/25)
By metmike - Sept. 5, 2025, 11:50 a.m.
One of his driving forces is that the high priests in his cult, like the anchors at Fox News sound more like episodes of the Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits than telling us authentic realities in 2025. Their MANUFACTURED news, telling far right/MAG viewers what THEY WISH WAS TRUE has led to block buster ratings based on pure fiction reporting.
And they deliver that news every evening with intense hatred, intolerance and willful distortions/propaganda meant to capture the brains of viewers/steal their intelligence for their political agenda and ratings.
Larry, THAT is what I feel is the REAL danger to our country right now!
To offset that, I should try to spend more time on threads like this:
Hate(and love)
Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
Quotes of the day March 26, 2025+
Started by commodityman - March 26, 2025, 3:06 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/110687/
The Beauty of Earth
Started by metmike - Feb. 25, 2025, 10:20 a.m.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/trump-fbi-informant-epstein-speaker-johnson/
“It’s been misrepresented. He’s not saying that what Epstein did is a hoax. It’s a terrible, unspeakable evil; he believes that himself. When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago.”
He went on to say, “He was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down. The president knows ― and has great sympathy for the women who suffered these unspeakable harms. It’s detestable to him.
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Plans A, B, C and D didn't work, so let's try plan E.
Plan E: Since the Ray Epps FBI plant nonsense bamboozled so many MAGA people, maybe we can use that angle......only this time, the FBI/Deep State that was Trumps mortal enemy during his first term, trying to destroy him the entire time....... are the good guys and Trump was helping them to take down the worlds most notorious predator of under age girls, who was his best friend for 15 years.
And when Trump first heard the rumor that Epstein liked under age girls, he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago???????Yeah right. The real world featured Donald Trump actually bragging about their 15 year best friendship and of sharing their mutual taste in women and that Epstein likes them young in an interview that OBLITERATES THAT VERSION.
Oct. 28, 2002
”Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
And that Trump has "great sympathy for these women who have suffered unspeakable harms. It's detestable to him"
Right, we can tell how Trump thinks by his past being a predator of women for 30 years and him not uttering 1 iota of sympathy or empathy or support for these women and in fact, doing the 100%, diametrically opposed polar opposite of what a person with sympathy for these women would do.
Up=Down
Down=Up
When people conjure up story after absurd story, each one replacing the previous one because it didn't work, the only thing we know for sure is that THE TRUTH must have some really bad stuff in it for them or else they would be using it. They would have released the files with THE TRUTH in them.
When you didn't do anything wrong, THE TRUTH is the first version and you stick to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo
TwilightZone only its 2025 and not a tv show anymore. Instead, it's this administration with their high priests in the Donald Trump worshiping MAGA cult!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbseYAkzRM
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8am:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5488121-trump-calls-end-epstein-push/
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Video: Trump claims the push to release the Epstein files is a ‘Democrat hoax'
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/05/politics/video/trump-epstein-files-democrat-hoax-digvid
The House will likely have enough support to pass a bill forcing the release of the Epstein files at the end of next month, but the Senate is an open question.