JD Vance
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By metmike - Sept. 8, 2025, 7:06 p.m.
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Dang, Plan E failed just like plans A-B-C-D, so now its on to plan F
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OH, OH!
His birthday letter to best friend jeffrey Epstein just got released, completely contradicted everything that Donald Trump has stated about this.
From the Wall Street Journal:
Plan F is not going to help with damage control to this or plans G-H.................X-Y-Z.
Trump has previously stated(after Epstein got busted) that "I was not a fan of his" and "I kicked him out of Mar-a-lago for being a creep"
The actual words from Trump above as well as the facts about them hanging out together for 15 years, picking up females together tell a completely different story.
"We have certain things in common, Jeffrey, Yes we do, come to think of it. Donald"
"As a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time i saw you. Donald"
"A pal is a wonderful thing. Happy Birthday--and may every day be another wonderful secret"
Donald J. Trump
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Those were Donald J. Trumps words to his best friend(according to Epstein) after 15 years of them hanging out together picking up woman AND UNDER AGE GIRLS!!!!
On what planet could hanging out with the world's most famous pedophile for 15 years, sharing their love and appreciation for young females together that includes a letter and public statements like this mean that he somehow had no idea what Epstein was doing that entire time and that he wasn't partaking with him????
OF COURSE HE WAS!!!!
Again, this was the period BEFORE Epstein started his under age girls sex trafficking ring.
I am not saying that Trump was one of those rich and powerful clients. It was the 15 years BEFORE THAT when he and Epstein were best friends and female predator's tag team! Not 1 iota of doubt of that in my mind based on overwhelming, legally admissible circumstantial evidence.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-facts-and-timeline-of-trump-and-epsteins-falling-out
Jonathan Chait
by RAY LEWIS | The National News Desk
Fri, July 18th 2025 at 2:55 PM
JD VanceForgive my language but this story is complete and utter bullshit. The WSJ should be ashamed for publishing it. Where is this letter? Would you be shocked to learn they never showed it to us before publishing it? Does anyone honestly believe this sounds like Donald Trump?
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Answer:
1. Here is the letter!
2. It sounds exactly like Predator Trump in that era. EXACTLY!
3. Let's see who is more reliable. The Wall Street Journal WITH THE PROFOUND EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF OUR EYES or Donald Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
The Rs want us to believe that this letter FROM THE EPSTEIN ESTATE (with all the other cards/letters that are authentic) from many years ago was manufactured by Jeffrey Epstein before Trump was even president.
Why would Epstein do that????
CNN compared this signature to many others from that time frame and they are exactly the same.
Chance of this letter coming from Trump?
100.00%
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/08/politics/trump-epstein-letter-signature
The key fact here is that this comes from Epstein’s estate. In other words, for this letter to have been fake, someone would have had to plant it in Epstein’s possessions a long time ago, somehow.
But while Trump’s official signature often looks more jagged than the loopier “Donald” on the Epstein birthday letter, there are many examples of him signing his name in a similar way around the period in question.
A photo of an inscription in a copy of Donald Trump's book "Trump: The Art of the Comeback" that belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. President Trump's name appeared on a contributor list for a book celebrating the 50th birthday of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, evidence that he participated in the collection even as he denied that he signed a sexually suggestive note and drawing.
There’s a 1996 letter to then-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. There’s a 1995 letter to a member of a local Palm Beach commission. There’s a 1999 letter to former CNN host Larry King. There’s a 1984 letter to the executive editor of the New York Times, A.M. Rosenthal. Former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann on Monday produced a 2014 letter he received. There’s even an inscription from 1997 in a Trump book that Epstein owned.
All feature that loopier style, followed by a long tail coming off the final “d” in Trump’s first name.
Donald Trump’s signature has evolved over the years, but when signing just his first name, he often includes the same flourish at the end.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/08/us/politics/trump-signature-epstein-letter.html
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/08/trump-epstein-signature-birthday-book
Sometimes, it feels like we are living in the Twilight Zone but this one is in a league of its own!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Y3TJjZgTA
Hey Mike,
Have Reps Greene and Boebert commented yet? How about Steve Bannon and Alex Jones? McFarm and cutworm, what do you think? Is it fake?
Hey Mike,
Have you ever watched “The Last Word” with Lawrence O’Donnell? I highly recommend you give it a try if you haven’t! There’s literally nothing like it. It’s on at 9PM CT M-Thu. I tape it regularly.
Thanks, Larry!
I've not watched the program but will try to sample it. He seems pretty far left but I enjoy listening to opinions from all sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_O%27Donnell
Lawrence Francis O'Donnell Jr. (born November 7, 1951)[1] is an American television anchor, actor, author, screenwriter, liberal political commentator, and host of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, an MSNBC opinion and news program that airs on weeknights.[2]
He was a writer and producer for the NBC series The West Wing (playing the role of President Bartlet's father in flashbacks) as well as creator and executive producer of the NBC series Mister Sterling. He also appeared as recurring character Lee Hatcher in the HBO series Big Love.
O'Donnell began his political career in 1989, as an aide to U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and was staff director for the Senate Finance Committee. He describes himself as a "practical European socialist"
The main part I would recommend is his monologue, which averages ~20 minutes at the start. As part of these monologues, he often includes split screens of his facial expressions while Trump is talking. Then he comments on what Trump says.
He clearly is far left/way left of me. (I’m pretty moderate for those who don’t know.)
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*Edit: I just watched part of tonight’s show and now realize that without Lawrence’s show, the copy of that birthday book letter would quite likely not have been released at least yet. He had had on his show the attorney for the victims, Bradley Edwards, who said that it could be obtained by asking for it from the Epstein estate. The subsequent guest that day was a member of the House Oversight committee investigating this, Rep Ro Khanna. He had heard what Mr. Edwards said and got it done by having Edwards meet with the House Oversight Committee:
Thanks, Larry!
That was pretty powerful!
It's exactly what I was saying back in July about this letter!!!!
In the birthday book was an even more offensive note related to Trump being a predator of women.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/epstein-birthday-book-depicts-shocking-010313977.html
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NEW PAGE FROM EPSTEIN’S BIRTHDAY BOOK: Epstein and a longtime Mar-a-Lago member joking about selling a "fully depreciated" woman to Donald Trump for $22,500.
Previous posts related to this letter.
I'm using my NON moderator handle to access these as somebody hacked the forum and is blocking the moderator, metmike from being able to access this thread below.
Jeffrey Epstein
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Started by metmike - July 16, 2025, 9:34 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/113255/
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By metmike - July 17, 2025, 10:42 p.m.
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By metmike - July 18, 2025, 1:04 a.m.
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By metmike - July 18, 2025, 4:55 p.m.
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By metmike - July 25, 2025, 11:03 a.m.
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By metmike - July 26, 2025, 11:12 p.m.
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By metmike - July 29, 2025, 9:01 p.m.
Since the news broke months ago, Predator Trump has never expressed sympathy for these victims/survivors.
Instead, he depicts Donald Trump as the victim!!!
Denying the stone cold truth. Denying the stone cold evidence, with his minions ignoring the authentic facts and just outright, blatantly lying to cover up for their infallible leader and for these despicable men.
There were hundreds of REAL victims here. This cover up is victimizing them all over again.
C'mon people. These were horrendous sex crimes committed over a period of decades by rich and powerful men that abused teenagers, using them for their sex toys and for selfish pleasure with NO REGARD for them as human beings.
This is diabolical, criminal activity that they got away with because of being rich and powerful.
These girls were human beings!
Think of your daughters, sisters, wives and women that you know and care for in your life. How would you feel if THEY were violated by predators like this?
Today, the REAL survivors are in fact, wives, mothers, sisters and daughters of countless people that want justice.
In a civilized, ethical world with rules and laws that protect the most vulnerable of human beings, we don't look the other way.
We seek justice, especially to prevent rich and powerful men from doing this in the future.
From what I saw on Fox News last night(didn't watch it all) there was 0 coverage of this.
This was the Fox News headline for the print media yesterday:
The infamous 'birthday book' is among the files released by the House Oversight Committee
The book also appears to include entries by former Epstein attorney Alan Dershowitz and President Donald Trump, though the White House and the president himself have vehemently denied its veracity on multiple occasions.
The birthday book included a letter from Epstein’s mother, Pauline Stolofsky Epstein, who wrote that she’d been "very busy reminiscing since Ghislaine asked me to write about you."
"Jeff[,] you have been a good son since day one and we have been proud of you ever since," Epstein’s mother wrote.
She continued, detailing fond childhood memories of Epstein's life, from his early childhood to his young adult years.
The book features hundreds of photos, including pictures of Epstein as a child and a teenager, as well as formal school photos and pictures of him hanging out with friends
Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., told reporters when asked about Trump's entry in the book, "I'm told that it's fake."
More from Fox:
Former senior Trump advisor Jason Miller weighs in on the president's crime crackdown, fallout from the Epstein files and criticism facing Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. during 'MediaBuzz.'
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Fox doesn't even have the ethical guts/integrity or enough honesty to post the Trump letter to give their readers/viewers the opportunity to see it themselves/ourselves.
Instead, they showed the Clinton letter and made comments about how the Trump letter is a fake.
The president has denied that he wrote the letter, which was part of a trove of documents the House Oversight Committee released Monday.
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Epstein's birthday book is loaded with vulgar messages and offensive sex jokes related to him being a predator of women and girls.
So most of his friends knew clearly what he was doing and thought of it as funny, instead of being a crime!!!
Hopefully, they will release many of the names so that some of these people can be exposed.
Hey Mike. Here is a link to the monologue portion of tonight’s (9/9) Lawrence O’Donnell’s The Last Word:
Lawrence: One honest thing Trump said about Epstein’s survivors is ‘I haven’t thought about it’
MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell details how “Donald Trump wants you to believe he was the only close friend of Jeffrey Epstein's who did not contribute to his birthday book” as Donald Trump dehumanized the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein when he said he hadn’t thought about meeting with them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAu-142oKyU&list=PLDIVi-vBsOEyZy0adHN2CFRpuTcI43Tdq&index=1&pp=iAQB
WOW, Larry!
I had no idea about the banks involvement. Thanks.
This guy has an extremely gifted delivery, when reading the verbiage on his teleprompter.
His pauses and word emphasis are profoundly captivating.
As a previous television anchor(weather), though i didn't read from a teleprompter, I appreciate the manner in which he communicates. Even to the point of me being extremely entertained from just that element. I could watch him reading the most boring story in the world and be fascinated by the way he delivers it.
That's a great thing for ratings and convincing people of what he wants to convince them of. In this case, I strongly agree with every word of his polished monologues.
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Times reporters combed through thousands of pages of legal and financial records to understand how America’s leading lender enabled the notorious sexual predator.
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metmike: This is mind boggling!!!
J.P. Morgan was not the only bank involved!!!
See Epstein’s full ‘birthday book,’ with alleged personal messages from Trump, Clinton and others
Read the book by clicking on the image below.
They knew what his game was for decades and GLORIFIED his predatory tactics as a pedophile!!!
According to Epstein, Donald Trump was his closest friend in the 1990's!
This was BEFORE the period that the justice department prosecuted his crimes from his under age sex trafficking business with Maxwell.
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The victims of Jeffrey Epstein speak out, sharing their thoughts on the administration’s failure to deliver justice and honor their experiences.
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Let me clarify a point made several times now. I don't think that Predator Trump is one of the names of the rich and powerful men that preyed on these particular women. The Epstein/Maxwell underage, sex trafficking business took place, mainly AFTER best friends, Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein broke up and ENDED their predator of women and girls tag team that went back the previous 15 years. Did Trump have sex with under age women/girls during THOSE years, when he and Epstein were picking up females together as best friends??? 99.9% chance that he did in my opinion and I showed one of them already.
But those females are an entirely different group than these women. The women, from the 1990's, for instance were not part of the under age sex trafficking ring. They were also paid hush money and have had their lives threatened, as shown by the victim that came out 2 times with a believable story about Trump and Epstein in 2016......then suddenly vanished and her attorney insisted she was too afraid to move forward.
There were MANY more like that. This was Jeffrey Epstein BEFORE the crimes he was prosecuted for.
This birthday card below to him in 2003 tells us that most of these people all knew it and Trump complimenting Epstein on his taste in women in public and Trumps letter to him is clearly telling us that he felt the same way as Jeffrey Epstein!!!! 100% that he did from all the compelling evidence with 0% to contradict that.
The card makes it clear that Epstein was picking up little girls as early as 1983.
He and Trump were best friends, picking up"young" females together from the late 1980's to the early 2000's.
Think about this card above. Those sick, rich and powerful predators, INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP, portrayed Epstein's CRIMINAL pedophilia as an admirable trait to be celebrated on his 50th birthday.
And they are all free today. No consequences because of their power/wealth while the hundreds of their victims/survivors suffer a lifetime of psychological damage and fear for their lives.
Trump, sometimes gives things away when he lies or comes up with the Donald Trump manufactured stories that often sound more like fairy tales. His lies have been busted thousands of times the last decade.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/donald-trump-lies-washington-post
The break up with Epstein was apparently from Trump double crossing Epstein in a real estate deal. We don't know for sure but that doesn't matter.
What we do know is that Trump claims that the break up was over Epstein "poaching one of his workers for his sex trafficking business" That worker, had the courage to come out against Epstein and Prince Andrew. She's the victim we know the most about. NOT a survivor because she's dead.
The comments appear to be the most detailed he has made publicly.
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What's so telling about Trump's version is that he makes Donald Trump the victim, not Virginia. According to Trump, Epstein STOLE his property and that's why HE broke up with his best friend. Instead of expressing 1 iota of empathy for any of these women, he insists this is a hoax perpetrated by the Ds.
But this is exactly.......EXACTLY how we would expect a predator with no conscience and no remorse to behave and talk. EXACTLY!
Predator Trump doesn't know the difference between right and wrong because his pathological thinking, lack of conscience and mentally ill delusions of being omnipotent drive his mind.
A smarter person with less ego would at least fake empathy but he can't even do that because his pathological thinking assumes that would show a weakness in him(most of us know that as a STRENGTH and CHARACTER) and his mind can't grasp the concept of sincere empathy for other human beings and he can't even fake it.
But here's the best news. These survivors are NOT going away. They have many of the names. The specific rich and powerful men that violated them when they were teenagers. They are afraid to release names individually because they know there's a good chance that they would be murdered for it. They are all likely receiving or did receive hefty hush money pay offs that might be at risk. However, if Congress releases the Epstein files, the names will come out and they will be off the hook for all that very real risk.
However, Congress KNOWS that they know and they aren't going away. If the survivors release the names before Congress does, it makes Congress look even worse. If Congress releases the names that are coming out, no matter what by releasing the entire Epstein files first, it get's Congress AND the survivors off the hook.
It should be an extremely 1 sided no brainer, right?
An obvious right vs wrong choice, correct?
Why would they not do the right thing????
1. Donald Trump
2. The rich and powerful men IN THE EPSTEIN FILES!
#1 and #2 are blocking the files from being released because they are evil. Only evil would do what these predators did to these women, when they were teenagers, then block the truth and justice of it from coming out.
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/17/kash-patel-never-spoken-trump-epstein-files
FBI director Kash Patel said he's never spoken to President Trump about the Jeffrey Epstein files during congressional testimony on Wednesday.
HUGH????
Patel also testified on Tuesday, when he said there was "no credible information" that Epstein trafficked minors to others.
HUGH!!!!!
Patel claims "no credible information" that Epstein trafficked minors to others
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How can this buffoon still be the head of the FBI????
Patel's interview with Predator Trump:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REUrKMdyZHs
Patel, a loyal Trump supporter, is a former public defender turned Justice Department prosecutor. He served in President Donald Trump’s first term as chief of staff to acting defense secretary Christopher Miller. In interviews, he has said he wants to reduce the size of the national intelligence community, and shut down the FBI’s headquarters in Washington. He’s also repeated the false narrative that Trump won the 2020 election.
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metmike: Patel was a key player for Trump, after he lost the 2020 election with his plan to overturn the election that Trump lost. This included his role in the Insurrection that was inspired by Trump to try to overthrow the results of the 2020 election with Donald Trump's Insurrection.
Since then, he continues to repeat all the blatant lies about the Insurrection and provide support to the rioters. The truth is that Trump planned it and inspired it and tried to make it happen that day, not calling off his violent mob until after he watched it for 3 hours on a private monitor in his office and it had failed. Patel was an insider helping Trump.
This pathological allegiance to Donald Trump and not the US Constitution in 2020/21 is why Trump rewarded him for his blind loyalty.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/28/fbi-kash-patel-trump-pick-jan-6/77029528007/
The chance that Patel might change the narrative on the insurrection has some MAGA activists excited about his nomination to lead the FBI.
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How in the heck can this guy be the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation?????
Tue July 23, 2024
CNN —
Ohio Sen. JD Vance, the Republican vice presidential nominee, repeatedly indicated in 2016 that he believed Donald Trump had committed sexual assault, even suggesting in one TV segment that in a “he said, she said” situation Trump was less credible than one of his accusers.
Vance appeared on a MSNBC segment in October 2016 on Trump’s alleged sexual misconduct in which an interview with Jessica Leeds, a former salesperson who accused Trump of groping and forcibly kissing her during a flight in the 1970s, was played. Vance said it was hard to believe Trump’s denials over Leeds.
“At a fundamental level, this is sort of a ‘he said, she said,’ right? And at the end of the day, do you believe Donald Trump, who always tells the truth? Just kidding,” said Vance sarcastically. “Or do you believe that woman on that tape?” he said, referring to Leeds.
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As I've insisted. Trump's violation of under age girls with Epstein were committed PREVIOUS to 2003, when he and his best Friend, Jeffrey Epstein were picking up and having sex with females.
Hey Mike,
You asked me to provide links to Lawrence O’Donnell’s monologues because you’d otherwise forget to watch him:
I feel confident you’ll find this 19 minute video of last night’s monologue well worth listening to. He starts off talking about Jimmy Kimmel but then suggests Trump wants folks to talk about Kimmel to show how strong he is and to also take away attention from Epstein-gate. Thus, O’Donnell then quickly changes the subject to Epstein-gate and its quite scathing of FBI Director Patel’s obvious bias toward protecting Trump over protecting the sexually abused women
Thanks a ton, Larry!
I'll watch it ASAP.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5510048-garcia-trump-signature-epstein-card/
Acosta, Trump’s former labor secretary, was a federal prosecutor in South Florida who worked on a widely criticized plea agreement struck with Jeffrey Epstein.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/09/19/epstein-acosta-plea-agreement-congress/
Rep. Melanie Stansbury (D-New Mexico) told reporters that members learned from victims’ attorneys that at least 40 minors gave sworn statements to the FBI as part of the investigation that they had been raped, abused and trafficked.
“What Mr. Acosta just told us is that based on his assessment of the case with his team, that he did not see sufficient evidence to move forward with prosecuting the case — that there were weaknesses in the case,” Stansbury said. “But when asked if he had directly reviewed the evidence itself in this case, he said that he had not actually read the statements of the victims.”
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No surprise. This guy just lied his arse off under oath again.
Again, people only lie like this when the truth get's them or the people they are covering for in big trouble!
This is hilarious!
Statue of President Trump and Jeffrey Epstein titled ‘Best Friends Forever’ appears on National Mall
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/23/politics/video/statue-dc-president-trump-jeffrey-epstein-digvid
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/24/nx-s1-5552505/trump-epstein-statue-removed-national-mall
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https://www.axios.com/2025/09/24/trump-epstein-statue-dc-national-mall-removed
The big picture: The statue, titled "Best Friends Forever," had a permit to remain in place until 8pm ET on Sunday, but Department of the Interior spokesperson Elizabeth Peace said it was removed "because it was not compliant with the permit issued."
Handwriting analysis is considered relatively reliable, but original documents are needed for accuracy, experts say.
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Considering the circumstances, including that it's been locked in the Epstein estate for over 2 decades, their best friendship, who Trump is/was and the exact signature of Donald Trump, the chance of it not being Trump's note and signature is an infinitesimal small fraction.
Again, when people blatantly lie about things that we can indisputably bust them about with the authentic facts, the truths they are covering up must be pretty bad.
When you have nothing to hide, THE TRUTH ALWAYS VINDICATES/EXONERATES YOU EVERY TIME!!!
Former Epstein ally now housed at same facility as Elizabeth Holmes and Jen Shah 
Ghislaine Maxwell holds her umbrella high enough over her head to expose her face at Federal Prison Camp Bryan, in Bryan, Texas, on Saturday, Sept. 20, 2025. Maxwell left for her prison job before sunrise and was still walking with an umbrella covering her face. During her lunch break, she walked back to her cell carrying some folders and a clear backpack with headphones dangling down. (Matthew Symons/Mirrorpix/Mega)
'Never had this problem,' team behind Epstein, Trump statue reacts to its removal
"I've never had this problem in all the years I've been doing this," said Carol Flaisher, a D.C. location manager who has worked on major films like "Wedding Crashers" and Disney's "National Treasure" movies. Flaisher said she was hired by The Secret Handshake to be the location manager for the installation. She called the day the statue came down "unbelievable."
"I've been doing this for 40 years," she said. "The word to use is, I'm very disappointed."
Flaisher said they did not receive any notice. Organizers at The Secret Handshake, who wish to remain anonymous, said it was an example of an attack on free speech.
The Secret Handshake told USA TODAY they are a small group of citizens using art and humor to prompt political discourse. The statue was located across the street from the U.S. Capitol building, facing the expanse of the National Mall lawns that leads to the Washington Monument. They said the statue took about a month to build.
"The Secret Handshake has put up anti-Trump installations in the past. The group also erected the so-called "Dictator Approved" piece, an 8-foot-tall sculpture of a hand squashing the crown of the Statue of Liberty while making a thumbs-up gesture; and the "Gold TV statue" multimedia installation, in which a golden TV showed images of Trump dancing, including with Epstein.
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Related to this attack on free speech by President Trump:
Trumps minions order Jimmy Kimmel taken off the a
Started by metmike - Sept. 17, 2025, 8:02 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/114744/
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By metmike - Sept. 27, 2025, 8:52 a.m.
The statue of Trump and Epstein holding hands is back!
The Wall Street Journal filed a motion last month to have the suit dismissed.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-seeks-proceed-10b-lawsuit-wsj-story-epsteins/story?id=126717491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUs12WFkhEo
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/10/21/congress/johnson-wont-block-epstein-vote-00616410
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This all should have been released 5 months ago. I think there's a real good chance that they are taking this time to alter and edit out the parts that they don't want out there.
After they are done, they will release the doctored version and claim that's everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Donald_Trump_and_Jeffrey_Epstein
Donald Trump, the 45th and 47th president of the United States, developed a social and professional relationship with financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein that began in the late 1980s and continued into the early 2000s.[1][2][3][4] During Trump's prior careers as a businessman and media personality before entering politics in 2015, he and Epstein visited each other's real estate properties regularly.
Trump and Epstein socialized frequently throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, including attending parties at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida and Epstein's residence. Flight logs released during an associate's trial confirm that Trump flew on Epstein's private jet multiple times in the 1990s, and according to Epstein, Trump first had sex with Melania Knauss in his private jet. Trump and his representatives claim he had a falling out with Epstein around 2004 and ceased contact. In 2007, after Epstein was said to have sexually harassed a teenage daughter of another Mar-a-Lago member, Trump revoked his Mar-a-Lago membership.
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Listen To The Jeffrey Epstein Tapes: ‘I Was Donald
Trump’s Closest Friend’
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU08/20250227/117951/HHRG-119-JU08-20250227-SD006-U6.pdf
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/us/donald-trump-royal-family-andrew-titles-jeffrey-epstein
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2128922/us-president-royal-andrew-crisis
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What a great opportunity to get a profound glimpse into the mind of a PREDATOR.
Never expressing compassion or empathy FOR THE VICTIMS, which in this case were the girls that were sexually abused but instead, feeling bad for the predator and his family that was inconvenienced and embarrassed after getting busted for the crime.
https://www.newsweek.com/rupert-murdoch-warns-judge-donald-trumps-red-herring-11010390
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What sort of delusional person behaves this way?
This is completely self inflicted damage to Donald Trump that he is making worse and worse from his complete inability of having objective thinking and rational judgment. Instead, his brain manufactures completely delusional facts and operates in a completely fake, Donald Trump world where he rules. A world where he is omnipotent and infallible and can bully everybody around him to obtain his delusional objectives because he is, in fact the most powerful man in the world and has been getting massive reinforcement for his pathological thinking by the Rs in Congress, Fox news, MAGA and the stock market.
He is absolutely, 100% mentally ill based on a clinical/medical definition and getting worse, especially since early dementia is amplifying this effect.
Everybody with a few objective brain cells knows that this was his letter, his drawing and his signature. Its exactly like his signatures back then and exactly how he communicated.
All he had to do was let the slightly embarrassing truth blow over and the world would have long forgotten about it. Instead, he sues the Wall Street Journal (one of the world most credible and powerful news organizations and NOT liberal-so he can't even claim that he's fighting fake news liberal organizations).
His claim was/is that no such letter exists as if they made it up to frame him or that the WSJ doesn't fact check or use reliable sources and the WSJ used a made up letter entirely to defame him. And he sues for an insane $10,000,000,000.
Then, after the government released the contents of the Epstein estate with things untouched from over a decade ago............THERE'S THE LETTER. Exactly as the WSJ described it. Impossible for somebody to somehow generate it, then go back in a time machine and put in into the long ago closed Epstein estate.
So Trump loses his case and drops it so that people will gradually forget about it, right?
Not with this guy. Instead, he doubles down. He orders all his people to insist that there's no way that Donald Trump could have ever written a letter like that and orders them to vehemently defend and blatantly lie about the letter, picture and signature that the world has now seen. The chance that it came from Donald Trump? 100.00000%.
If AI has been invented 25 years ago, there might be a .0001% chance that it wasn't him but it is.
In a catastrophic display of the worse judgment possible, instead of doing damage control or letting it fade away, he does the absolute worst thing imaginable and triples down. Like with his insistence that he won the 2020 election and hundreds of other absolutely bonkers stuff.......make that thousands!!!
This is the same guy insisting that tariffs will do the exact opposite of what almost every economist on the planet says is the diametrically opposed polar opposite of what tariffs do.
And evidence that MAGA is a cult. THEY ALL BELIEVE ALL THIS COMPLETE NONSENSE!
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I do NOT hate Donald Trump! Everything above is based entirely on authentic facts.
However, based on those authentic facts, I feel strongly that this should happen:
25th Amendment
Started by metmike - Oct. 4, 2025, 8:47 p.m.
Michael Wolff, a longtime chronicler of Trump’s White House who conducted extensive interviews with Epstein prior to his death, told The Daily Beast last month that Epstein had shown him photos of Trump with half-naked “young girls” in his lap.
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It's inconceivable that Trump was Epsteins best friend for 15 years that included them picking up girls together and Trump stating publicly that they both shared a love of women( Jeffrey likes em especially young) and during that entire time(late 80's/90's/early 2000s) that Predator Trump never violated numerous underage girls.
Depending on the story, Trump says HE broke up with Epstein in either 2024 or 2007 because of who Epstein is(a creep).
Epstein's convictions, are mostly for offenses after that. So Trump wants us to believe that Epstein, just suddenly became a pedophile AFTER they broke up.
The 15 years before that when Trump and Epstein were best friends?
We're supposed to believe that Epstein only had sex with women over 18 or that when he and Trump were picking up women together (Trump publicly complemented Epstein for his taste in women) Epstein picked up underage girls and Trump picked up their moms
Of course they were picking up girls that were together and both of them were attracted to underage girls.
Epstein wasn't Trump's best friend because they got together to talk about business or to golf together.
They were best friends because of exactly the reason Trump said below:
‘He’s a lot of fun to be with’: Trump and Epstein were close friends for 15 years
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/18/trump-epstein-friendship
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
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15 years = 1987-2002.
They partied and picked up young woman together
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Protecting Trump's lying "character witness" One of the least credible people on the planet on this topic by every legit. standard, yet it's the one that he personally picked to testify for him and reward for doing it.
https://apnews.com/article/epstein-emails-trump-house-democrats-db7df1042a73e610fb5deddf2f90bd3a
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In other breaking news:
Water is wet!!!!!
The sun is hot!!!!!
The pope is Catholic!!!!!!
Geeesh! Trump was his best friend for 15 years for Pete's sake! We have the birthday letter/drawing by Trump in 2003 with the naked female drawing. He stated his admiration for Epstein in public and their shared appreciation for women(and Jeffrey likes them young), so DUGH on this so called revelation/breaking news. Epstein biographer, Michael Wolff verifies that Epstein showed him pictures of Trump and Epstein with underage, topless girls.
This is just a press release from the Ds, ahead of the vote, after the Rs have been conducting a rich pedophile protection program this year-including protecting Predator Trump-who preyed on girls with Epstein in the 1990's but that is probably not in the files.
Morally bankrupt speaker Johnson (gifted charisma and likeability and ability to disarm his opponents with convincing sounding, COMPLETE BS) has been blatantly lying, over and over and over about releasing the files and blocking their release.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5603299-house-votes-epstein-files-mike-johnson/
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Charlatan Johnson, who for months has been doing everything possible to block this and cover it up (while telling us the complete opposite) knows that he can't block it anymore. So like a gifted charlatan, he is SPEEDING THINGS UP to give the impression that he's leading the way to do exactly what he's spent so much time and effort to DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
I'm not here to take political sides.
Just to show authentic facts and speak out against Snakes in Suits! In this case predators of woman/underage girls and those that cover up for them!
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/132615.Snakes_in_Suits
: Odds of getting a Nobel Peace Prize
By metmike - June 25, 2025, 5:37 p.m.
What's finally out there, is SOME of what I've been posting about since this past Summer.
For MAGA that continues to believe this is a hoax, this is not like the Russia hoax in Trump's first presidency that really was a hoax and Witch hunt.
This is FOR REAL. President Trump was a predator of women for several decades and protector of his best friend for 15 years, Jeffrey Epstein. This is indisputable. The only empathy he has expressed on this topic has been for THE PREDATORS and their families and NOT the victims that he claims are all wrong.
One of the GOLDEN RULES of understanding cover ups in their early stages is that when somebody repeatedly lies about something, it means that they can't use the truth..........or they would use the truth to exonerate themselves.
It's that simple sometimes when there is a level of uncertainty because not all the facts are known. Donald Trump has been doing back flips and somersaults trying to prevent anything related to Epstein from being released this year.
That by itself tells us that HE KNOWS what he did and knew and there are things in there that will tell US what he knew and did and he doesn't want that out there because they were wrong and/or bad.
Most importantly, he keeps lying blatantly about the letter/drawing/message that he gave to Epstein on his birthday despite it being 100% obviously from him by every standard to measure.
He is suing the Wall Street Journal for $10,000,000,000 because he claimed the letter never existed when they reported it. Then, when the proof came out of the actual document, he doubled down on that strategy. This is only 1 piece of evidence but Trumps delusional denials and lies on it are beyond anything a rational person in a sane would be using.
His behavior has been causing additional, massive, self inflicted damage that is ramping up exponentially because he is not only mentally ill but is suffering from dementia which makes it impossible for him to use proper judgment about most things.
The most defining feature of Donald Trump in 2025 is his extremely dangerous, constant pathological thinking that has been getting rewarded by the Rs in Congress, Fox News, the rich people in the stock market and especially MAGA with adulation that positively reinforces, even the most absurd unacceptable behavior and ruinous expressions of thoughts/ideas and illegal actions. (tariffs, bombings in the Caribbean.....etc)
I defended Trump when he was the victim in the Russia hoax and fake NY crime scandals. 1,000+ posts here o me doing that. I voted for him in 2024. He was elected to a 2nd term because most people, included me KNEW that he was a victim and those that attacked him, help get him elected.
Re: Re: more actual evidence of The Hoax
By metmike - July 19, 2025, 3:11 p.m.
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new stone video
36 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Feb. 9, 2019, 11:20 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/23544/
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By metmike - March 12, 2024, 10:52 a.m.
Just to remind everybody of the other ongoing nonsense regarding the "Get Trump" vendetta of corrupt D prosecutors/judges that have hijacked our legal/justice system to accomplish that.
Trump civil fraud trial-nonsense
25 responses |
Started by metmike - Nov. 12, 2023, 2:43 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100509/
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Trump rape case
20 responses |
Started by metmike - May 3, 2023, 9:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94926/
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Back to this thread:
However, in 2025 there has been a profound shift. A compete polarity reversal. The news we are getting about him proves now, that he is not the victim but in fact he IS the victimizer. His decades as a predator of women and enabler of victimizing under age girls is coming back to haunt him. There is no escaping from the truth.
He escaped from all the other scandals because the truth was on his side and that's why I was on his side every single time. Not this time!
The best thing now for the Rs to do would be to impeach him before he completely sinks the R ship.
One of the things that these newly released emails do is bust Ghislaine Maxwell's testimony(lies) about Donald Trump.
That's one of the most mind boggling things about this case and Trump. Who would go to this extreme to use the world's most notorious convicted UNDER AGED GIRLS sex trafficker as his character witness to obviously lie for him?
Ignoring everything else about this case and everything else about Trump,
This is such pathological, delusional thinking with him actually convinced in his deranged, infallible mind that its a brilliant scheme to trick the world into thinking he's innocent
The reality is that it convinced the world that he's guilty and hiding things. An innocent person would NEVER behave this way.
This is the same person illegally bombing boats against International Law, imposing tariffs against the law, taking SNAP money from poor people to punish them/Ds going after everybody he thinks harmed him, wanting to take Greenland, etc,etc.
Wake up, Rs. Do the right thing! Impeach this guy and make yourselves look good and save your party. This would extremely likely lessen the damage in November 2026!
President ANYBODY instead of Trump would be great damage control. VP Vance would be a 1 million% better president than Trump for America, especially for the Rs.
How is this not crystal clear????
I just found out that that if the House votes to pass this, then the Senate needs to pass it which seems unlikely but then the president has to vote on it.
On what planet would that happen?
Why is everybody pretending that this House vote it so critical and giving us all the impression that it means the Epstein files will be released?
https://www.rawstory.com/todd-blanche-ghislaine-maxwell-2674292728/
"They show that Todd Blanche's questioning of Ghislaine Maxwell was either (a) completely incompetent; or (b) intentionally crafted not to elicit facts incriminating Trump. Either way, he is not fit to serve as Deputy Attorney General of the United States."
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HUGH? Almost everybody that Trump has appointed to key position is not fit to serve! Whether it's the 23 people from Fox, Kash Patel, Kennedy......the list is extremely long. Their main qualification is that they've pledged allegiance to Donald Trump. Not maybe. That is what got them the job and what keeps them in the job.
I will point out that Rubio and Vance, though they are also Trump puppets, to me they have tremendous talents! If they were cut lose from Trump, I think they have potential to apply their talents to make our country better.
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The president continues to be haunted by his years of close friendship with the late sex offender
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/18/trump-epstein-friendship
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
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2 decades ago, Trump not only publicly admired Epstein but he BRAGGED ABOUT THE THING THEY HAD MOST IN COMMON......... BEING PREDATORS!!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/14/politics/trump-epstein-doj-investigate-enemies
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https://newrepublic.com/post/203222/donald-trump-epstein-truth-social-rant
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Republicans in Congress have got to be talking privately about impeaching Trump to save the party!
DO IT!
You'll have the support of every D..........and the support of most Americans! President Vance has a nice ring to it!
If you wait until after the 2026 election, and the Ds win the house majority because you didn't cut Trump loose, the Ds in the house will do it..........100%!
The Senate needs 2/3rd majority to remove him which is the biggest challenge but with every D voting for it, that means 67 out of 100. So that means needing some Rs, even after the election.
Trump is unquestionably, the biggest walking, talking and acting advocate for people to vote for the D party in history. He must be cut loose if the Rs have any hopes of holding their own in the next 2 elections.
It's only going to get worse. There is a 0% chance to rehabilitate a political person that's behaved the way he has in 2025, that's got everything wrong with them and ADVANCING DEMENTIA to boot! With 3+ years left in his term, its only going to get worse! MUCH worse in fact. Cut him loose ASAP!
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These polls suggest the issue is a bigger problem than the president wants to admit.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-epstein-emails-files-republican-allies-rcna243787
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This is just 1 issue. For Rs that think that this is political and unfair and if you erase this from the equation, we don't STILL HAVE a catastrophic disaster for the R party for a dozen other legit reasons....... are fooling themselves.
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https://kfor.com/hill-politics/trump-pulls-endorsement-of-greene-amid-growing-rift/
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Losing control of his party! Enough Rs MUST unite with all the Ds to impeach Trump or remove him under the 25th Amendment. What will it take for them to realize this? Interestingly, if I was a D and wanted to maximize the performance of my party in 2026 and 2028 I would want Trump to finish his term in order to wreck his party's chances.
President Trump ordered the Justice Department to investigate the dealings of Democrats with Jeffrey Epstein, after a week in which his own relationship with the convicted sex offender was in the spotlight.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/14/us/politics/trump-epstein-inquiry-democrats.html
“This is another Russia, Russia, Russia Scam, with all arrows pointing to the Democrats,” Mr. Trump wrote on social media on Friday. “Records show that these men, and many others, spent large portions of their life with Epstein, and on his ‘Island.’ Stay tuned!!!”
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Just another, IMPEACHABLE, illegal weaponizing of the criminal justice system for Trumps self serving interests. In this case, to try to divert attention away from his own guilt and use the power of the justice department to investigate his enemies only!
He's been doing this ILLEGALLY with numerous other cases based on retribution towards people that have done things to harm him in the past so this is definitely an IMPEACHABLE pattern of behavior. However, this case sinks to a new low, using it as a desperate, incredibly obvious illegal attempt to abuse his powers as president to weaponize the Department of Justice for his personal objectives that completely contrast to what the vast majority of Americans want right now.
He crystal clearly is no longer qualified to be the president of the United States by all objective standards. The 25th Amendment should be used immediately to remove him from office.
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President’s pressure on the department to prosecute his enemies is hurting US law and violating policies, say experts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/04/trump-department-of-justice-weaponization-enemies
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Trump makes President Nixon look like a saint! Trumps constant violations of the Constitution, International law (murdering people from other countries, some innocent in cold blood for his agenda), ordering the USDA to stop making SNAP payments for food stamps to poor people in November to weaponize and exploit the government shutdown to punish his enemies(democrats and poor people are "the enemy from within). Violating dozens of ethical standards that are a couple of orders of magnitude more egregious than what Nixon did.
If this is not reason to impeach or remove him using the 25th Amendment, than what is???
Trump MUST BE removed from office ASAP!!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC16c98hDPc
This has been rock solid true with MAGA voters and Rs in Congress for the past decade...........until now. We should also note in that clip from almost a decade ago how sharp President Trump USED TO BE BEFORE DEMENTIA STARTED ERODING HIS COMMUNICATING SKILLS AND THINKING!!!!
Where are Rs that were pointing this out with Biden????
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It's long past time to remove this blatantly unqualified and increasingly dangerous man from the office of the most powerful person in the world before he does even more harm!
There is no chance to resurrect this morally bankrupt person, that expresses empathy, not for the victims in the Epstein case (that he called a hoax) but instead the predators who are his friends and their family (Prince Andrew). A true predator himself that lacks a conscience. Preying on woman for decades with dozens of incidents that we know about independent of the Epstein case.
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Re: Re: Trumps Gross Letter to Epstein 9-8-25
"I never thought that fighting to release the Epstein files, defending women who were victims of rape, and fighting to expose the web of rich powerful elites would have caused this, but here we are," Greene said in an X post Saturday morning "And it truly speaks for itself."
'Trump will not make it to the end of this term compos mentis' | Psychologist analyses Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtO-cypKmY
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I've been saying this exact same thing all year!! This expert is right on the money about almost everything based on the exact same observations that have been crystal clear to me.
However, he's wrong with his comparison with Hitler. There are certainly many similarities with his traits...... pathological thinking, delusions of grandeur narcissism, cult like following, unlimited power and has even told more lies than Hitler but what Hitler did to the Jews is a couple of orders of magnitude more diabolical than anything that Trump will ever do.
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Just to be clear. My position is NOT that Trump should be removed from office for anything that he did in connection with Jeffrey Epstein previous to 2002 when they were best friends or anything in the Epstein files. Or even for trying keep the Epstein files from being released to protect people in it, including himself. (OK, what he did to get Maxwell, the convicted under age sex trafficker to lie as his character witness using the justice department was very wrong)
It's for the dozen+ reasons INDEPENDENT of the Epstein files until yesterday. That's when he ordered the justice department to investigate Ds only with regards to the Epstein files so they can dig up dirt on his opponents, because he thinks that this will take the heat off of him.
That added to the very long list of his impeachable offenses. Some of them, doing illegal investigations of his opponents and filing charges via him abusing his power to force his minions to weaponize their power in the justice department to seek retribution against people that Trump has identified as his enemies. And doing it blatantly, out in the open.
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Let’s not let the extreme political nature of this topic insulate our thinking and cause us to forget what this is really about. There were countless under aged girls that were trafficked as sex toys for rich and powerful men for a very long time.
1. They deserve justice
2. These criminal predators are walking free because of their power and money
3. Releasing the Epstein files is what the victims are pleading for with 1 loud and united voice. This would be a tiny part of them getting justice.
4. Exposing and holding the predators accountable would be true justice for the victims and what they deserve.
5. Trump has never expressed empathy for the victims and in fact has violated them again by calling their position a hoax and continues to tenaciously protect the predators.
6. A position that supports Trump on this is taking the side of the predators. If you want to support the victims, your position is unwavering to have the Epstein files released. Forget the politics. Take a stand on doing the right thing!
New information.
1. Trump doing this could be a tactic to stop the release of the Epstein files because of the ongoing, active investigation by HIS justice department.
2. If both the House and Senate pass this with a 2/3rds super majority, then it's veto proof. If the pass it with a LESS THAN 2/3rds majority, then Predator Trump can veto it and stop the Epstein files from being released.
Every action by Trump has made it worse and worse and worse for him. This latest stunt is only generating more support from Americans to release the Epstein files, which even includes some in MAGA and making the Rs look worse and worse for protecting pedophiles.
Regardless of what's in the Epstein files, the pathological way that Trump is reacting is just more overwhelming evidence that he is incapable of consistently using good judgment, making smart decisions, following laws and doing what's right for America. In fact, he's doing the most damage to his own party and MAGA right now.
He is not just unqualified to be president, but as the most powerful person on the planet, he is also the most unstable and dangerous.
Trump must go ASAP!
Massie: '100 or more' House Republicans could vote to release Epstein files
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If the vast majority of Rs continue to line up behind his other, illegal agenda and support him like they are filling out blank checks, then they have a subconscious political death wish.
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/16/nx-s1-5610552/trump-house-republicans-epstein-files
After fighting for months to stop this and LOSING with certainty, now he is taking the diametrically opposed, polar opposite position and will pretend that he was for the release after the vote to release the Epstein files is approved.
Since we know he is being dishonest here, we can also speculate that he plans to block it because of the ongoing investigation of Ds involved which means they can't release the files.
Or he knows that he will never sign on the bill and can make up whatever reason he wants to justifying NOT signing and claim that we should just listen to what he just changed his view to. That he really wants the Estein files released, all we had to do was read his words on November 16th but he just can't do it for reason X, Y or Z. With the investigation being the main reason. And he can order the justice department to continue the investigation for the next 3 years to keep the Epstein files from being released until he's no longer in office(and can't stop it anymore).
If the House AND the Senate vote 2/3rds majority and make it veto proof from Trump he can still stop it because of the investigation.
I also think he could order the justice department to take out a lot of stuff with him in it.
For those that think he can't do that because tampering with a document like that is a crime, I say.........that's exactly why he WOULD do it!!
Hey MM,
I’m at a total loss for words. Nothing I could say could convey what I’m feeling right now as I feel like I’m in
Agree, Larry!
More evidence that Trump is EXTREMELY unstable, delusional and suffering from worsening dementia. It's been causing erratic decisions from 1 extreme to another all year on a host of issues.
On Ukraine, for just 1 example he went from a full court press ON ZELENSKY to get him to give in to Russia's terms, then the complete opposite to 100% backing NATO/Zelensky, then reversing again to supporting Russia's position, then reversing again to backing NATO.
I have been following it closely and that accurately describes, with no exaggerating how he has gyrated back and forth on the war in Ukraine.
THIS MAN HAS CONTROL OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!!!
We need him out ASAP!!!!
HE HAS DEMENTIA which, unfortunately greatly amplifies a person's negative traits that previously in their lives, would be controlled by the ability to discern between what is real and what is not and what is acceptable and what is not in most people.
He already lacked those abilities compared to most people but now, the most powerful man in the world has dementia, is delusional and convinced that he is infallible and always right about everything AND has appointed/hired only people that will do what HE SAYS to do. And the Rs in Congress, up until the Epstein files have been green lighting all his illegal actions!
He has to go ASAP!!!!
He has to go ASAP!!!!
This isn't about politics. It's about the tremendous damage he WILL cause if he finishes his term, especially to the R party.
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BTW, I like everybody with a brain know that he doesn't really want the Epstein files released and this is just another ruse/devious scheme by him to mislead with lies in order to accomplish his agenda.
1. His investigation by the DOJ on the Epstein files means it can't be released legally.
2. Unless its a super majority vote, his veto will stop it.
3. In his delusional mind, he thinks that everybody will forget the past 6 months and now, only believe that Trump has always wanted the release of the files because he's innocent.
4. There's a good chance that his justice department will ALTER the files before releasing them.
5. 1 thing that we know with 100% certainty is that Donald Trump doesn't really want the unaltered Epstein files released and he's blatantly lying about that now.
“Let’s be crystal clear: Trump has the power to release all the files today,” Garcia added in a statement. “But instead, he wants to continue this cover-up and launch bogus new investigations to deflect and slow down our investigation. It won’t work. We will get justice for the survivors.”
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metmike: We're getting a look into the mind of a devious psychopath right now! Somebody that has become more desperate and was already dangerous.
I am DEAD serious(as a heart attack) that he would start a nuclear war with Russia to take the heat off about the Epstein files. He knows that supporting Ukraine is a winning position for the vast majority of Americans from both parties and will exploit that to the max and turn it into A CRISIS in order to get everybody's mind off of the Epstein files.
I speculate that in his deranged mind, at this very minute he is contemplating that!!!!
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Trump wants to rule the world, no question about it:
25th Amendment-Trump wants to rule the world!
By metmike - Nov. 17, 2025, 12:13 p.m.
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I strongly suspect that Trump ordered the DOJ to alter the Epstein files to take him and Rs out of much of them and that's the version we will get.
Why is that likely now? Read what his last statement was:
"We have nothing to do with Epstein. The Democrats do — all of his friends were Democrats," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office when asked if he would sign the bill if it passes the House and Senate.
If that was true, he would have released them 6 months ago. The only way that this could possibly be true in November 2025 is if the DOJ altered them to take out out all the stuff that Trump did not want out there and was the reason for him to do everything in his power to black them from being released.
And the absurdity of "all of his friends were Democrats" when he was Epstein's best friend for 15 years by every account, even Trumps statements in the 1990's and early 2000's is like telling us that increasing CO2(atmospheric fertilizer at less than 50% of the optimal level for plants right now) is killing plants and crops.
When Trump went to the prison with Maxwell and got her to lie for him, that's when I knew for sure that Donald Trump is guilty.
He didn't do this to protect anybody in the Epstein files, regardless of whether there are powerful Rs in there too.
He did that exclusively as a deranged scheme in his pathologically thinking mind to defend Donald Trump. Nobody that was innocent would procure lies from the worlds most notorious, convicted under age girls sex trafficking ring person, acting as his character witness.
An innocent person, from the get go would have released the files. Most guilty people would keep their mouths shut and work to make it go away without creating any fanfare.
But Trump has such pathological thinking that includes believing he is omnipotent and in convinced that even his most deranged ideas are brilliant(which MAGA, his puppets, Fox and the Rs tell him is so).
He actually thought getting Maxwell to lie and moving her to a comfortable prison(with a potential pardon) was a brilliant scheme that would convince the world of his innocence!
2 things had to be so for a person to act like Trump doing this.
1. He has to be guilty or there is no reason to do things that scream guilt.
2. His ability to make smart decisions is severely compromised.
Even now, his latest devious scheme is suddenly pretending that he wants the Epstein files released. This keeps him from losing in his mind and with the new, fake position when the House votes against him. Instead, he can say the Rs followed him in voting to release the files. And now, he will repeat ad nauseam that he wants the files released so that proves he's got nothing to hide.
How can this person possibly remain in office as the most powerful man in the world?
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If our mechanic behaved this way, I would find a new mechanic immediately. You can't trust a person like this to do anything honest. Many of the people in the world know this too.
After all this time you’d have thought that Trump would have at least faked having empathy for the many survivors.
He can’t even do that because he has no conscience and he has the mind of a predator.
The victims, to him are targeting Donald Trump who he thinks is the victim.
Additionally, one of his stories about him and Epstein breaking up as best friends for 15 years, according to him is because Epstein was poaching his girls.
NOT because of what Epstein was doing with them (to them) but because Epstein was stealing HIS property. In that story, Donald Trump is the victim, not the sex trafficked under age girls.
The tense moment during Tuesday's press conference came on the heels of other recent blow-ups toward reporters, including Trump recently demanding a woman who asked about the Epstein emails to "quiet, piggy"
https://people.com/donald-trump-lashes-out-abc-reporter-epstein-question-11851966
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Rapidly advancing DEMENTIA!!!! As crystal clear as Joe Biden's dementia!
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgmrrrrlvmt
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Now that the DOJ has had time to sanitize the Epstein files for Trump, they can be released and Trump and the Rs and say.........'see, I told you so"
If these are the same files they got 5 months ago, they would have released them then. Now, after doing everything in their power to block them...........here they come.
Even with the House on the verge of just barely voting for them to be released, the Senate could have blocked them and Trump could have refused to sign the bill because the slight majority passing it was NOT the Super Majority needed to stop Trump from blocking it.
Literally, overnight Trump suddenly went from blocking them, while maximizing his power to control the Rs on this for 5 months to encouraging them to pass the bill.
Something clearly changed. The only thing that makes complete sense if they dorelease them is that it took numerous months for his corrupt DOJ to sanitize them and take out Trump.
Unless the investigation he ordered last week is the reason to prevent them from being released.
How will we know?
We might not be able to tell for sure but be looking for these things as a clue:
1. Trump should be mentioned more than everybody else by far. If that's not the case, something isn't right.
2. If there is nothing bad in there about Trump.
3. If it's all Democrats and no Republicans in the Epstein files, this one is the biggest clue.
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They may use the just opened investigation as a scheme to justify not releasing the files, instead. That investigation can go as long as Trump wants it to go. That would also allow them more time and opportunities to sanitize the files and release only the parts they want about Ds having bad behavior and continuing to Pretend to be transparent and to pretend they are not covering up.to protect pedophiles and predators.
One thing we know iwith very high confidence. Until just a few days ago, Trump did everything in his power to block the release of the Epstein files.The majority of Rs in Congress during that time obeyed his orders to also try to block the Epstein files. During that time, Trump showed 0 empathy for the survivors/victims and in fact, constantly insulted them by doing things like calling it a hoax and empathizing with the predators and their families. Amd insisting that Donald Trump is the victim, not the sexually abused girls.
He is a morally bankrupt man that only cares about himself that has Controlled Congress all year on everything.
He did not suddenly see the light overnight from anti MAGA lightning striking him and most of the Rs in Congress didn’t go from opposing and blocking this strongly for months to overnight supporting this because they magically gained a conscience for the first time.
Rhey are not doing it for the right reason because they vehememtally rejected it for the right reason and vividly showed us there true colors about how they really stand for months.
Fhe flip to taking the diametrically opposed polar opposite position overnight means they came up with a new scheme to keep the stuff about the ones they are protecting out.
in trumps case, he is protecting Trump. We can’t know what that scheme is until we see it.
Im just speculating now. After we see the scheme play out, then we’ll have the authentic facts which will replace the speculation.
This isn’t about giving them the benefit of the doubt. Credible people get that. Even guilty people get that too before their guilt has been proven.
Not people that lie a dozen times in a row, cover up and block the truth for 5 months. amd use various schemes and maneuvers to do the opposite of what they want us to believe they are doing.
People like that deserve skepticism and require authentic facts to verify their behavior, and intentions.
People in a cult don’t need to worry about any of that. They just believe everything blindly and without questioning or fact checking with the faith,of a religion.
sometimes, blind allegiance to a political party, by itself is enough to trump objective, critical thinking.
She said that “new information” obtained by investigators had prompted her to reverse her decision to close the case four months ago, but she declined to say what that information was.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/19/us/politics/trump-epstein-files-loopholes.html
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New information: Donald Trump came up with a new devious scheme, suddenly pretending to want ALL the files released but preventing many parts about him from being released.
All his schemes to this point have failed miserably, most of them making it worse. Like procuring the testimony of the worlds most famous under age sex trafficker, Ghislaine Maxwell to lie for him as his character witness and rewarding the lies by sending her to a prison that makes her comfortable during her incarceration. If this gets put behind him and he somehow remains in office the rest of this term, look for him to pardon and free her since he always rewards and pardons, even the most despicable, convicted felons that help him.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-expected-send-epstein-files-bill-trump/story?id=127652257
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She refused to answer the question about whether they will release the Epstein files, and repeated that she "will follow the law"
1. That is tipping us off about what their scheme is going to be. They will use their version of the law to keep from releasing all the files. Trump's absurd order for the DOJ to suddenly conduct an investigation by the DOJ into Ds only in the Epstein files means that "the law" will justify them NOT releasing all the files.
2. Trump could have and still can release the files at any time without permission or a bill from Congress. His lack of doing that speaks for itself.
3. For the Trump administration, the one that has violated more laws in 10 months than any other one in 4 years and told more lies than almost every administration the past century all added up to promise "we will follow the law" is much more likely to mean "we will violate the law because that's what we do but we will manipulate the interpretation of and exploit the law, using another devious scheme and spin it to justify our agenda on protecting Trump"
Let's see if that turns out to be the case or if instead, they have sterilized the Epstein files to take stuff they don't want out about Trump and Rs and release only things about Ds.
We don't know for sure about everything in the files about Trump. Trump's doing political somersaults this year to block the release and get Maxwell to lie for him tells us that for sure there's some bad stuff about him. Dugh!
Since the DOJ has complete control over what they release, there is a near 0% chance that they will release any of the stuff that is bad about Trump.
We'll see what comes out but Trump is suddenly gung ho to get them out because HE totally controls the DOJ and the DOJ's allegiance is to protect Donald Trump and they totally control what's going to be released.
This big victory celebration about the near unanimous vote by all of Congress for the Epstein files to be released, when the ones still controlling it are the most corrupt president and DOJ in history that are committed to protecting that corrupt president...........in not just premature. It's completely naive!
On what planet would the current DOJ release anything about Trump that makes him look bad?
Not on the 3rd planet from the sun would that ever happen!!! The only chance for legit transparency is if somebody suddenly gained a conscience and became a whistle blower about their latest devious scheme.
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Fox just told viewers that Mike Johnson says there may be national security issues that prevent them from releasing some of the Epstein files.
A former Trump White House lawyer has said he believes the president will use the provision limiting information related to ongoing investigations to keep Epstein files from being released.
But some Democrats are skeptical that the vote was a green light for Republicans to buck Trump more often, even in his second term.
They only signed on because "they got permission to support it, which is sad in and of itself," Sen. Raphael Warnock, D-Georgia, told USA TODAY. "Protecting children from pedophiles should not be hard," he said.
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Chance that this DOJ that works for Donald Trump and obeys his very command, NOT the USA or Constitution will release information that makes Trump look bad?
0.0001%
This big celebration by everybody is celebrating being bamboozled by another fraudulent scheme by Trump and his minions that manipulate facts and break laws to serve Trump's agenda.
This SHOULD be all about THE SURVIVORS, REAL VICTIMS. So sad, that instead for many people, its been mostly about politics. Especially at FOX which absurdly is selling this as a victory for Donald Trump because he wants the Epstein Files released to prove that it was all Ds, not mostly but all the predators, according to them were Ds and Trump never did anything wrong.
And the Epstein files will show this.
You better believe that what the DOJ decides to show us will ONLY be about bad behavior from Ds.
Why would anybody think otherwise???? Especially after Trump, suddenly ordered an investigation and suddenly reversing his position about having the files released
Trump is now bragging about this as a victory for HIM. Never once mentioning the victims. Now he wants to rewrite history and to tell us that it was HIM that wanted the Epstein files released (to show how only the Ds in the Epstein files were pedophiles-which is what he ordered to DOJ to find).
REWRITING HISTORY
https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/sick-pervert-trump-denounces-jeffrey-epstein-while-lambasting-reporter-in-oval-office-white-house-abc-revoke-licence-fcc-classified-documents-emails-financial-records-flight-information-island-president-donald-trump-bill-clinton-larry-summers
The DOJ under Trumps orders will NEVER release any information that makes Trump look bad. NEVER!
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By metmike - Nov. 20, 2025, 9:31 a.m.
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By metmike - Nov. 20, 2025, 10:37 a.m.
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Trump, at this very moment is congratulating himself on his latest devious scheme being able to bamboozle so many people. Knowing that nothing will ever be released that shows anything that he doesn't approve of and what he does authorize the release of will be bad for the Ds.
He still has 100% control of the information and at the same time, gets credit for pushing the release of the files AND supposedly following the law and being transparent.
Exactly like having his diabolical cake and eating it too! With him abusing his powers over the DOJ and Rs in Congress and millions of Americans actually being so gullible to not see this........he is eating his cake and still has plenty of it left.
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This dangerous man with his long history of being a predator, who now has progressive dementia that is greatly amplifying his previous pathological thinking must be removed ASAP!!
Trump MUST be removed from office ASAP
By metmike - Nov. 20, 2025, 6:03 p.m.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/21/jeffrey-epstein-documents-release
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Trump officials ALREADY KNOW which files will never make it past their eyes and which ones(with Ds in them) they will reveal..........while continuing to insist "we are following law and being completely transparent"
While at the same time, being the administration that broke every record in history for blatantly violating all sorts of laws in numerous realms and being the least transparent in history. 
