Senator Chuck Grassley will release today documents exposing FBI project Artic frost. This special FBI "project" targeted conservative groups. So far 92 such groups were investigated. On that list was Turning Point, Charlie Kirks very own. Wow talk about bombshell fire brand, Nazi, dictator, ruin democracy forever, far right wackos and whatever other words have been used after Charlie's cruel assassination to darken a wonderful believers' legacy. A man that just plainly lived in the real world. lived his faith daily, invited anyone anywhere a chance to have a conversation and now just like the Catholic church, was on a FBI list of targets. And you sit and wonder what the Obama administration has led us to. Totally politically corrupt government agencies seeking to harm its citizens, steal elections and spread death and destruction. And Turning Point was about God and love of mankind, bringing the nuclear family back, honoring God and obeying God and your parents. Things the left just cannot abide. Their goal if you still have not understood after all this time is the destruction of the family. As Obama has said in many ways, the masses are stupid and need to be controlled and easier to do without God and parents. Look it up project Artic Frost, and realize how deep the cancer goes.
Thanks very much, mcfarm!
I was unaware of this until you posted it.
Before I comment, let me remind you of the last time you posted something that appears to be similar and I agreed 100%, also providing the authentic evidence for why you were right on the money that time:
more actual evidence of The Hoax
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Started by mcfarm - July 19, 2025, 10 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/113315/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxZugJliwbY
this over whelming evidence of Obama, clapper {yes Larry clapper} brennan and comey was declassified and released.....FINALLY.... joining in to collude and attempt to over throw our elections and government. If you ever see a second of this on cnn or cbs, or nbc or abc I will be shocked but here it is. I only hope consequences will follow.
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Re: more actual evidence of The Hoax
By metmike - July 19, 2025, 10:49 a.m.
Thanks very much, mcfarm!
This is all entirely true!
It lines up entirely with my hundreds of posts that were tracking it during the blatantly corrupt Mueller investigation and beyond.
more later.
mcfarm,
This situation is completely different.
Arctic Frost appears to have very legit reasoning for keeping tabs on these organizations.
Most Americans think that trying to overthrow the results of a democratic election using violence is a bad thing!
Followed by attempting to convince people that it was ok and continuing to convince people of the complete lie, that the election was stolen and for them to use that to enrage people and inspire them to fight against the results, which in some cases results in violence, like what we witnessed on January 6, 2021.
Unfortunately, our current president is the quintessential example of a leader promoting that violence, having pardoned all the convicted criminals that rioted for him, trying to overturn the 2021 election that he clearly lost by 100% of the authentic data and evidence.
Though I strongly supported Charlie Kirks right to voice ALMOST all his opinions
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/114571/#114660
Since YOU ARE BRINGING THIS UP, I will vehemently condemn some of them, specifically his despicable attempts to convince people that Trump won the 2020 election and that election fraud stole it from him.
This is one of the things that Project Arctic Frost was investigating him for, as well as other conspiracy theories and disinformation, along with all the other groups pushing this poison that has resulted in very toxic thinking for MAGA and inspiring violence.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk
Ahead of the 2020 U.S. presidential election, Kirk spread falsehoods about voter fraud,[107][108] and immediately after Trump lost the 2020 election, Kirk promoted false and disproven claims of fraud in the election.[109][110] On November 5, 2020, he led a Stop the Steal protest at the Maricopa Tabulation Center in Phoenix.[111] Kirk was considered a "big name" social influencer in Rudy Giuliani's communications plan to overturn the 2020 election.[112]
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/who-is-charlie-kirk-profile
Kirk organised but did not attend the so-called “Stop the Steal” protests after Trump lost the 2020 election and helped coordinate buses for the 6 January 2021 rally led by Trump near the White House, where the outgoing Republican president urged the crowd to “fight, fight, fight” to overturn his defeat by Joe Biden.
This event quickly progressed into a violent insurrection by thousands of Trump’s supporters at the US Capitol. Kirk invoked the fifth amendment during testimony to a congressional January 6 committee.
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https://democrats.org/news/donald-trumps-closers-his-favorite-election-denying-conspiracy-theorists/
Donald Trump is campaigning with extreme election-denying conspiracy theorists whose records include pushing lies about the 2020 election, whitewashing the violence on January 6, and refusing to commit to accepting this election’s results.
“[Charlie] Kirk has continued to parrot the president’s attacks on the election, falsely claiming Biden’s victory was fraudulent.
“‘I will say it very bluntly. This election was stolen from President Trump. And the changes to the election, to the ballot questions, to the voter registration, to the access problems in these states’ Kirk said in December.”
“Following the events of Jan 6., Kirk deleted a tweet in which he touted that ‘80-plus buses full of patriots’ were sent to Washington, D.C., on Turning Point USA’s dime.”
Since mcfarm wants to discuss this, I'm happy to elaborate more on the DANGEROUS views of Charlie Kirk that provoked hatred/division and inspired violence (though he never called for violence).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk
 Charlie Kirk ~ The Conservative Forum ~ 9-8-2015 on YouTube (Liberty Forum of Silicon Valley) (at 2:10–3:20) |
According to Forbes, Kirk was known for "his repudiation of liberal college education and embrace of pro-Trump conspiracy theories".[97] He promoted the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory[98][99][100] and called universities "islands of totalitarianism".[9] In a 2015 speech at the Liberty Forum of Silicon Valley, Kirk said he had applied for nomination to the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York, and was not accepted.[15] He said that "the slot he considered his went to 'a far less-qualified candidate of a different gender and a different persuasion'" whose test scores he claimed he knew.[9] He told The New Yorker in 2017 that he was being sarcastic when he said it.[9] He told the Chicago Tribune in 2018 that "he was just repeating something he'd been told",[7][101] while at a New Hampshire Turning Point event featuring Rand Paul in October 2019 he claimed he never said it.[101]
Kirk promoted debunked claims about George Floyd, such as that he was "illegally counterfeiting currency" and had once "put a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach".[102] On Facebook, YouTube, and Rumble, Kirk repeatedly promoted the false claim that the medical examiner who performed the autopsy declared Floyd had died of an overdose. After a fact check by AFP that noted the doctor stood by the classification of Floyd's death as a homicide, corrections were added to Kirk's posts on social media.[103]
In July 2018, Kirk falsely claimed on social media that U.S. Justice Department statistics showed an increase in human trafficking arrests from 1,952 in the year 2016 to 6,087 in the first half of 2018. He deleted the tweet without explanation the next day, after a fact-checker had pointed out that the false 2018 number had originated on the conspiracy site 8chan.[104][105] In December 2018, Kirk falsely claimed that protesters in the French yellow vests movement chanted "We want Trump". These false claims were later repeated by Trump.[106]
Ahead of the 2020 U.S. presidential election, Kirk spread falsehoods about voter fraud,[107][108] and immediately after Trump lost the 2020 election, Kirk promoted false and disproven claims of fraud in the election.[109][110] On November 5, 2020, he led a Stop the Steal protest at the Maricopa Tabulation Center in Phoenix.[111] Kirk was considered a "big name" social influencer in Rudy Giuliani's communications plan to overturn the 2020 election.[112] In August 2025, Kirk called for the elimination of Jasmine Crockett's congressional district as a part of the 2025 Texas redistricting, justifying the erasure of her district by claiming she was a part of an "attempt to eliminate the white population in this country"
In 2020, Kirk spread false information and conspiracy theories about COVID-19 on social media platforms, such as Twitter. He sharply criticized Democrats' criticism of Trump's withdrawal of WHO funding and called COVID-19 the "China virus", which Trump retweeted.[85] Kirk alleged that the WHO covered up information about the COVID-19 pandemic. He was briefly banned from Twitter after falsely claiming that hydroxychloroquine had proved to be "100% effective in treating the virus";[85] he alleged that Gretchen Whitmer, the Democratic governor of Michigan, threatened doctors who tried to use the medication.[85] These falsehoods were retweeted by Rudy Giuliani, whose account was then also suspended.[85][114]
In defending the Trump administration's response to the pandemic, Kirk falsely stated that during the 2009 swine flu pandemic it "took President Barack Obama 'millions infected and over 1,000 deaths'" to declare a public health emergency.[115][116] In fact, when the Obama administration acknowledged the WHO's declaration of a public health emergency on April 26, 2009,[117] there were less than 280 cases of H1N1 infection reported in the U.S.,[118] and the first confirmed death (of a Mexican toddler on vacation) occurred the next day, April 27.[119] The WHO projected 1,000,000+ U.S. cases on June 25, after declaring a pandemic on June 11.[120]
Kirk called the public health measure of social distancing prohibitions in churches a "Democratic plot against Christianity" and made the unfounded assertion that authorities in Wuhan, China, were burning patients.[85] In 2020, he said he refused to abide by mask requirements because "the science around masks is very questionable."[97][121] In July 2021, Kirk promoted misleading claims about the efficacy and safety of COVID-19 vaccines.[25] On Fox News' Tucker Carlson show, Kirk called mandatory requirements for students to take the COVID-19 vaccine "medical apartheid".[122] He called for parents to protest at school board meetings, urging them to push back against mask-wearing
At first, Kirk was critical of the evangelical right, but he came to reverse his position. In 2018, he told Dave Rubin, "We do have a separation of church and state, and we should support that."[42] But in 2019 Kirk met Rob McCoy, a pastor of a megachurch in Ventura County, California, who convinced him that America's founding documents were derived from the Bible.[42] In 2021 Kirk told a congregation, "The Bible says very clearly to 'Occupy until I come'", a verse often cited by followers of the Seven Mountain Mandate to assert that before Jesus returns evangelical Christians must dominate seven areas of society: government, media, education, business, family, religion, and entertainment. Kirk later interviewed with the creator of the Seven Mountain concept.[42][124][125][126] In 2022, Kirk called the separation of Church and state in the United States a "fabrication".[42] In 2024, he said, "One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompatible. You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population."[127] Appearing at a Trump campaign rally in the same year, he said: "This is a Christian state. I'd like to see it stay that way."[95] By 2024 Kirk's shift to Christian nationalism exemplified its growing approval by the Republican Party under Trump.[128][42][126][129]
Kirk believed in the superiority of the Western world, to which he credits the role of Christianity in civilization for. In a 2023 speech, he said that "all men are created equal in the eyes of God, all men and women, but not all cultures are created equal. To say that, you get attacked in every direction, but excuse me when I say that Western civilization is the best that humanity has produced. It's an outgrowth of the Bible
According to a 2024 NBC News report, Kirk was relatively secular liberal regarding LGBTQ rights in the United States in 2018, but shifted toward more religious conservative stances.[42] On January 21, 2025, Kirk praised Trump for revoking Executive Order 14004, which had allowed transgender people to serve openly in the military, and said, "Sorry, if you're Jeff and you think you're Jill, you are not going to serve in the U.S. military. Go find something else to do."[131] On March 19, 2025, when U.S. District Judge Ana C. Reyes issued an injunction blocking the ban, Kirk denounced the decision, saying: "Now, a district court judge ordering the U.S. military to continue enlisting mentally delusional transgender troops is justifying her ruling by quoting the musical Hamilton."[132]
On June 11, 2019, after the Letsweletse Motshidiemang v. Attorney General ruling in Botswana that struck down colonial-era sodomy provisions, Kirk credited the country's decriminalization of homosexuality to Trump's "global push to decriminalize homosexuality". He framed the ruling as evidence of Trump's international influence on LGBTQ rights and asked whether major U.S. media outlets such as CNN and MSNBC would give the administration credit for what he called a "monumental achievement".[133] The phrase referred to a campaign announced in February 2019 by the Trump administration, led by U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, to encourage countries to repeal laws criminalizing same-sex relations.[134]
On November 22, 2019, Kirk said "I believe marriage is one man, one woman", but added that gay people should be allowed in the conservative movement.[135][136] In 2022, during an episode of The Charlie Kirk Show streamed on YouTube, Kirk criticized the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges. He called LGBTQ activists the "alphabet mafia", claiming that the movement is not "just about two dudes being able to get married". Kirk called Obergefell a "national takeover of our laws" and argued that conservatives mistakenly thought the issue of same-sex marriage would end after the ruling, instead concluding that "they are not happy just having marriage" and "want to corrupt your children".[137]
On October 14, 2021, Kirk said "the facts are that there are only two genders; that transgenderism and gender 'fluidity' are lies that hurt people and abuse kids."[138] In early 2023, he said that transgender women in women's locker rooms should be "taken care of the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and '60s".[139] On April 1, 2024, Kirk called for Trump to propose a nationwide ban of gender-affirming care for transgender people.[140] The same day, he called for the imprisonment of doctors who perform gender-affirming care and demanded "Nuremberg-style" trials for them.[141]
In mid-2024, Kirk asserted there is an "LGBTQ agenda".[42] On September 26, he responded to a student who identified himself as a gay conservative. Kirk welcomed the student "to the conservative movement" but also said that, from a Christian perspective, he did "not agree with that lifestyle". He added that sexual orientation should not be the primary basis of identity, saying, "I don't think you should introduce yourself just based on your sexual attraction." Despite his personal opposition, he emphasized that shared political values such as "strong borders" and "a strong country" were more important for inclusion in conservatism.[142][better source needed] On June 8, 2024, he criticized YouTuber Ms. Rachel for a post celebrating Pride Month.[129] In the same podcast episode, Kirk called being gay an "error" and likened the LGBTQ pride movement to encouraging drug addicts
Kirk had voiced a belief in the decline and victimhood of White Americans. In 2015 Kirk said that his dream in life to attend West Point was lost to a candidate of a different ethnicity. The rejection, which he blamed on affirmative action, deepened his turn to the right wing.[9][15][11] In 2018 Kirk told a college audience that the concept of white privilege is a myth and a "racist idea".[15][159][160] Assuming "more hard-right positions", he told followers of his radio podcast in 2021 that Democratic immigration policies were aimed at "diminishing and decreasing white demographics in America" and called for Texas to "deputize a citizen force and put them on the border" to protect "white demographics in America."[78][161][162] In 2023, he said, "prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people" in urban America.[163] In 2024, Kirk said, "The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different,"[163] and added, "The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white."[163] Also that year Kirk posted, "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality", alongside a Fox News headline that read, "7.2M illegals entered the U.S. under Biden admin[istration], an amount greater than population of 36 states.
In 2016, Kirk said about TPUSA's national director Crystal Clanton, "Turning Point needs more Crystals; so does America." In 2017, it was revealed that Crystal Clanton allegedly sent a text message in the past that read, "i hate black people. Like f— them all... I hate blacks. End of story." Kirk responded by having Clanton expelled from the organization.[165][166]
In 2018, Kirk cited single motherhood in Chicago's Black community as a cause of gun violence, blaming the absence of a father from some Black households on "a broken culture problem".[167][168] Kirk praised Martin Luther King Jr. prior to December 2023, variously calling him a "hero" and a "civil rights icon". That December, he used a speech at AmericaFest to describe him as "awful ... not a good person" and as someone who is admired only because he said "one thing he didn't actually believe". The speech also saw Kirk condemn the Civil Rights Act of 1964, calling its passage a "huge mistake" and alleging that it had created a "permanent DEI-type bureaucracy".[169] Kirk called the legal apparatus of the Civil Rights Act an "anti-white weapon".[170] Kirk told The New York Times, "I take the Caldwellian view, from his book The Age of Entitlement, that we went through a new founding in the '60s and that the Civil Rights Act has actually superseded the U.S. Constitution as its reference point. In fact, I bet if you polled Americans, most of them would have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than the Constitution. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right."[60]
In a November 2021 Fox News article, Kirk wrote that he believed state power should be used to stop teachers from instructing children on critical race theory, and that to "directly confronting the left, and promising to fight their illiberal ideology with state power when necessary, is the key to winning everyday Americans."[171][169] Kirk served on Donald Trump's 1776 Commission, a response to the 1619 Project.[172] In October 2021, Kirk began the "Exposing Critical Racism Tour" of a number of campuses and off-campus venues to "fight racist theories on America's college campuses!"[173][174]
In January 2024, Kirk said that a "myth" had been created around King which had "grown totally out of control" and that King was currently "the most honored, worshiped, even deified person of the 20th century" despite "most people" supposedly disliking him during his life. Responding to accusations by Malcolm Kenyatta that he was working to undermine King and the Voting Rights Act, Kirk called this claim "a lie" and "fear-mongering", and added that telling the "truth" about King "should not be trampling sacred ground" since he was "just a man ... a very flawed one at that" and a "mythological anti-racist creation of the 1960s". Kirk later said he had "found the sacred cow of modern America" in criticizing King.[175]
Also in January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"[176][177][178] He had previously expressed opposition to DEI programs, describing them as "anti-White".[179][better source needed] NBC News further reported that Kirk's comments about DEI programs and his comment about Black or African American airline pilots resulted in ongoing conflict with the Republican National Committee over outreach to Black voters.[52] Kirk called Ketanji Brown Jackson a "recipient of Affirmative Action" and said she was nominated for the Supreme Court because of her race.[180] Kirk blamed the high death toll of the July 2025 Central Texas floods on DEI.[181] On September 9, 2025, while speaking about the killing of Iryna Zarutska, an unprovoked killing of a Ukrainian refugee woman in Charlotte, North Carolina, Kirk accused Democrats of spreading a "false narrative" that "that there is a relentless assault against Black people on behalf of white people",[182] saying "White individuals are actually more likely to be attacked, especially even per capita, by Black individuals in this country."[96]
Charlie Kirk has been vocal about his disapproval of immigration of Indians, particularly non-Christian Indian Americans, into the US. These positions stem from views on economic competition and religious pluralism. On the topic of the former, Kirk stated that "America does not need more visas for people from India", arguing that the American workforce has become dominated by Indian-American immigrants effectively decreasing job opportunities for Americans.[183] On the topic of the latter, Kirk has commented on how non-Christian Indians are unaligned with American national identity, stating that America would still be America if it were 90% Indian, as long as the Indians were Christian.[184] India, which has a predominantly Hindu population, is comprised of a religious demographic wherein more than 80% practice various Dharmic religions, which are diametrically opposed to the Abrahamic religion, Christianity, that Kirk favors.[185][186]
Kirk had been accused of antisemitism by multiple people and organizations;[187][188][189] The Anti-Defamation League accused Kirk of creating a "vast platform for extremists and far-right conspiracy theorists".[187] In October 2023, he said on The Charlie Kirk Show that "Jewish donors have been the Number 1 funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi‑Marxist policies ... This is a beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for Jews". He also suggested that these Jews control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it". Soon after, he said that "Jews have been some of the largest funders of cultural Marxist ideas and supporters of those ideas over the last 30 or 40 years."[190] Kirk called on American Jews to stop "subsidizing your own demise by supporting institutions that breed Anti-Semites and endorse genocidal killers".[187]
In November 2023, Kirk said that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them".[188] He went on to claim "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors", but said he was glad that some donors were reconsidering.[191] In 2025, Kirk said that "No non-Jewish person my age has a longer or clearer record of support for Israel, sympathy with the Jewish people, or opposition to antisemitism than I do".[187] In July 2025, Kirk warned his followers against hatred of Jews, calling it "evil" and "demonic".[192] Some Jewish public figures have defended Kirk against accusations of antisemitism, citing his pro-Israel stance. Kirk was funded by some Jewish donors, including Bernie Marcus.[193]
In 2025, he wrote that "Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America."[194] Following the victory of Zohran Mamdani in the 2025 New York City Democratic mayoral primary, Kirk posted that "24 years ago a group of Muslims killed 2,753 people on 9/11. Now a Muslim Socialist is on pace to run New York City." Liberal Fox News commentator Jessica Tarlov asked Kirk to take down the "gross and Islamophobic" post.[195] In a separate post, Kirk argued that "It's not Islamophobia to notice that Muslims want to import values into the West that seek to destabilize our civilization."[196] Earlier in 2018, Kirk spoke at the annual conference of anti-Muslim group ACT for America, an organization with multiple ties to Turning Point USA.[197]
At a 2023 event at Missouri State University, Kirk said that immigration to the United States should be completely stopped.[130] In the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election, Kirk promoted the false claim that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio, were eating residents' pets and other wildlife.[198][199] Kirk called for the use of force against migrants at the U.S.–Mexico border, including the use of tear gas, rubber bullets and whips. Kirk said that migrants were "bringing force upon themselves" by "invading" the country. In justifying this use of force, Kirk promoted false claims of disproportionate criminality among migrants, saying: "Those are the men that will go into your communities and break into your homes and rape your women, take your children. But, hey, they're -- they're dreamers."[200]
In 2023, Kirk called for Mehdi Hasan to be deported and deplatformed over his views on the COVID-19 pandemic, calling him a "neurotic lunatic" and saying "Send him back to the country he came from. Holy cow! Get him off TV. Revoke his visa."[201] In October 2023, Kirk also called U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar a "terrorist sympathizer" and called for her deportation.
good God Man. Where to start. The FBI was involved {after the director committed a felony by lying to congress about the incident} in infiltrating the GD Catholic church right down to bribing priests for information about what? RADICAL CATHOLICS. IS THAT NOT ENOUGH TO GET SOMEONES ATTENTION and for them to finally realize just how corrupt our deep state is. Ad we a supposed to be alarmed a lonely 1 man band {KIRK} is trying to put families back together. ABC reported, CBS followed with "sources say"..."remarks were made" "a neighbor 12 miles away heard Kirk" We have a mess MM and have no time to waste on such nonsense of an 18 year old {kirk} evolving with his age and knowledge. You sound very much like your younger self at U of Mich would of sounded before he became an adult and suddenly realized the realitys of being an adult.
You really should be shocked about the deep state and where it has and will be sticking its nose in next.
good God Man. Where to start. The FBI was involved {after the director committed a felony by lying to congress about the incident} in infiltrating the GD Catholic church right down to bribing priests for information about what? RADICAL CATHOLICS. IS THAT NOT ENOUGH TO GET SOMEONES ATTENTION and for them to finally realize just how corrupt our deep state is. Ad we a supposed to be alarmed a lonely 1 man band {KIRK} is trying to put families back together. ABC reported, CBS followed with "sources say"..."remarks were made" "a neighbor 12 miles away heard Kirk" We have a mess MM and have no time to waste on such nonsense of an 18 year old {kirk} evolving with his age and knowledge. You sound very much like your younger self at U of Mich would of sounded before he became an adult and suddenly realized the realitys of being an adult.
You really should be shocked about the deep state and where it has and will be sticking its nose in next.
My opinion is that Project Arctic Frost, instead of targeting political opponents, like President Trump is doing right now, and like the justice department for sure did TO President Trump during his 1st term(and making stuff up about Russia to ruin him) was actually investigating VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS that held a common belief system with Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump just part of many.
Did they go overboard? Maybe but I don't have the information to believe that. However, they were VERY justified in investigating dangerous people.
If you reading this are part of that political belief system, of course you think it was unfair or politically targeting.
Just like hate speech is never hate speech............if YOU believe in it.
People in this country have a right to profess their belief systems, even if they are toxic, homophobic, racist, xenophobic, anti scientific, antisemitic and lie about elections they lose.
But those same people and their followers professing hate speech should not be surprised WHEN THE HATE SPEECH CAUSES HATE............directed at them by the millions of people who are getting attacked and offended by the hate speech.
C'mon, let's get real here. Hate speech, like that which Trump professes every day and Charlie Kirk professed not only generates hate in their followers but it causes an additional REACTION of hate directed at them.
They absolutely do not deserve to be murdered or physically attacked. But it's a no brainer that they are massively increasing hate in the world, including hatred of them. That doesn't at all justify the people who hated Charlie, celebrating his death. This is sickening and reprehensible. Charlie, as I mentioned was not a charlatan selling things to bamboozle young people. He actually believed in this ideology, including some great things about family.
The question that one could ask is, if Charlie Kirk had the right to profess hate speech that greatly offended millions of people, do those offended people that hate him because of who he was, have the right to express glee, even more offensive hate speech to his death???
Fortunately, many on the left that strongly disagreed with Charlie's hate speech are vehemently condemning this galactically reprehensible celebration of his death.
He had a wife and 2 children that dearly loved and depended on him. They will suffer his loss as will his entire family that loved him and he loved them. He had countless good friends that are devastated as well as tens of millions of people that believed in his ideology.
Even if the ideology was massively flawed and more like a cult at times, the loss of one of the high priests in the cult from a cold blooded murder should be a HUMANITY ISSUE for fellow human beings with empathy.
Sadly, in today's world, dominated by toxic social media and ethically bankrupt politicians, especially the guy at top, empathy and humanity are falling farther and farther from the most important element driving our thoughts.
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My response to things like this will always be the diametrically opposed polar opposite.
Hate(and love)
Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
This also includes SPEAKING/TYPING OUT to expose the messengers of hate WITHOUT HATING THEM.
Speaking of speaking out.
Fox has been the most egregious network, exploiting Charlie Kirk's death for their political and broadcast agenda.
Jesse Watters has been the worst.
He just told viewers that CNN is celebrating over Charlie Kirk's death. I've been watching CNN for many hours after this cold blooded murder. CNN has been condemning this and anybody that celebrates it as emphatically as is possible. It couldn't be more clear. Jesse Watters just told a huge lie and it wasn't just any lie. Our country is grappling with a major hate crisis and Jesse Watters sees it as an opportunity to pour more gasoline on the hate fire for his agenda.
I've yet to hear our president send 1 message of unity, instead using it to blame, attack and investigate his enemies on the left.
Not one anchor or guest has veered from that viewpoint on CNN. Jesse Watters is a diabolical, conniving person planting hate and vitriol into his viewers minds for his sad sack agenda. Making the world a worse place and causing the mentality that results in incidents like this.
His objective, like that of Mark Levin on Fox is to maximize outrage, intolerance and hatred in his viewers. Us against them. It's a war and we need to do everything possible to stop them.
You plant those idea's into a mentally unstable, fringe person........and guess what can happen?
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OK, Watters just covered Project Arctic Frost. He claims that what its entire objective was to stamp out Christian Conservatism. Another of his many lies.
He didn't mention a thing about what was actually being investigated (dangerous people/organizations pushing lies, disinformation and conspiracy theories) .
He and his guest, Josh Hawley claim that Biden, who was in charge of the FBI was the one that ordered it, investigating Kirk to scare him and stop him. This is such nonsense but every Fox viewer watching tonight just believed it.
Trump, Fox and R politicians claim to have all this magical mystery secret information about how their enemies are causing all the hate in the world and their messages while delivering it, ironically are always..........TO HATE THEIR GUTS!
So far tonight, Watters is having a typical show. From start to finish it's all about blaming the evil left, Vilifying the evil left. Making fun of the evil left. Insisting that the his side is always on the right side and the left is always wrong and evil. HATE THE LEFT messages for 60 minutes with a few commercial breaks for their high rated HATE SHOW, that has blockbuster ratings and makes more money than their competitors.
Hate sells and makes the most money between 7p-8p CDT on Fox News.
MSNBC, that I never watch and has lower ratings has some anchors that are also pretty hateful when spewing political messages from the left based on what I've seen.
There is a near 0 chance for this hate crisis in the United Stated to get better when so many powerful message gatekeepers, on television, social media and in Washington are hate professors teaching hate to so many tens of millions of Americans.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mass Shooting Minneapolis
By metmike - Aug. 30, 2025, 7:09 a.m.
Activists are pointing to the attacker’s gender identity to falsely portray all transgender people as prone to mental illness and violence.
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The 1 hour Jesse Watters show on Fox the evening after the shooting was the most pathetic 60 minutes of television in history.
There was almost nothing about the victims and their families. How this was impacting them and the community. Almost the entire hour from start to finish was about bashing transgender people. Insisting this was the cause of the shooting and if this person hadn't changed their sex, none of it would have happened. Warning viewers about how unstable and dangerous all transgender people are based on the condition. They had a couple of so called experts on to pile on with non stop hate speech targeting transgender people. This went on from the opening minute, right to the end.
No stories or coverage about the humanity and devastating losses, that has been the focus on CNN all week. No empathy for the victims, their families and the community….just hate speech for a political ideology.
Following this, Hannity had his 60 minutes of pathetic broadcasting. Doing the transgender bashing but spending much of his time twisting this event to be the result of the Ds being weak on crime and that if only Donald Trump had been in charge, this never would have happened. Seriously, he stated that numerous times with video from D.C. and the National guard shown many times as an example of how President Trump fights crime
Earlier that day, we had a horrific mass shooting of children and Hannity, like Watters didn't cover that. He covered how great Donald Trump is at fighting crime.
Ironically, he kept insisting that the democrats and all the lamestream media stations were using this for their political agenda and political ideologies.
Fox viewers don't watch(listen to) those sources BUT I DO!.
Hannity was lying his arse off. He and Fox had the franchise for being the egregious violators of using this horrific incident ENTIRELY for their hate speech and Trump cheer leading. While the other stations that I watch, especially CNN but also ABC and NBC covered the NON political, HUMAN elements.
Mike said to mc:
MSNBC, that I never watch and has lower ratings has some anchors that are also pretty hateful when spewing political messages from the left based on what I've seen.
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Hey Mike,
Most of them appear to hate him. Regardless, I find they’re still presenting mainly factual info rather than presenting fake news and lying like Fox News. Thus, I find myself mainly agreeing with them.
My favorite is Lawrence O’Donnell followed by Rachel Maddow. I record all of their shows.
Thanks, Larry!
Ill take your word for it.
Much of what I see from them is from Fox showing it to bash them, so it’s likely theor worst.