Ukraine’s president will be lobbying Trump to provide Tomahawk missiles to help in the war against Russia
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Trump has been all over the place on this issue. Almost every assessment, prediction and promise so far this year has been almost exactly wrong on this topic. His boasting, bloviating and publicity stunts to elevate Donald Trump are crystal clearly his top priority. This makes him an extremely low credibility source on this, his ruinous No rhyme or reason/impulsive tariffs and everything else, despite being, unfortunately the most powerful person in the world.
Flipping a coin would have, at least been correct 50% of the time. Believing in the opposite of what Trump states on the Ukraine war would have yielded the best results this past year!
The war WILL end at some point and if it's in the next 3+ years, while Trump is in office, regardless of the circumstances, Trump will claim he did it.
Remember that I voted for Trump last November because he promised to end the Ukraine war fast. Nobody really believed he could do it in 24 hours as promised.
He has been an extreme disappointment to me in almost every of the numerous realms that he has abused his power in. He is not only delusional but has increasingly worsening dementia which now makes him more dangerous than before because the R congress has given him all of their power and the conservative Supreme Court is not doing their job to challenge him.
He is truly ruling as an authoritarian that professes his hatred for over half of the Americans that disprove of him. Instead of representing them, as their president too, he is obsessed with PUNISHING THEM for not supporting him.
This is an extremely pathological political situation that violates the objectives of our Constitution and does not represent a true democracy.
This is the ONLY WAY to stop this extremely dysfunctional form of government and get it back to working the way our Constitution and democracy was designed.
I am far less concerned with what is happening in Ukraine, in a war that was a LONG TIME AGO, won by Russia (and a president that wants to use it to make himself look good) than I am in what's happening in our own country!!!
25th Amendment
Started by metmike - Oct. 4, 2025, 8:47 p.m.
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Started by mcfarm - Aug. 15, 2025, 7:32 p.m.
It Takes a Land Force to Defeat a Land Force
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Zelensky, Biden and NATO got Ukraine's land force of brave soldiers killed off, sending them on suicide missions against Russia's MUCH BIGGER army that Putin sent on suicide missions.
More Russians have been killed by far but when an army starts with a much bigger numbers advantage in a war of attrition.......guess who wins almost every time? It's sad to think that Putin would sacrifice his much bigger army, the lives of countless human beings knowing this to win but they are just his pawns not human beings.
It was even dumber for Biden/Zelensky/NATO to sacrifice the Ukraine army's soldiers TO LOSE the war that they wanted instead of negotiating with Putin in 2021/22.
NATO/European/Zelensky/Western propaganda doesn't win wars and this war was lost a long time ago. Ukraine doesn't have much of an army left, so Putin is exploiting his advantage to capture more and more land, with Ukraine/NATO's completely delusional position in negotiating being that of a country that won the war, demanding all the land back that the real winner captured, in addition to what Putin/NATO fought this war over (NATO in Ukraine).
Putin is NEVER giving all the land back and will NEVER, NEVER agree to NATO in Ukraine.
The longer Ukraine/NATO insist otherwise with a non serious, delusional negotiating position, the longer Putin will take advantage of his superior position and capture more and more land.
The West can celebrate all they want over how many causalities Russia is suffering (those are human beings too) and what the cost has been to Russia and pretend that this means Russia is actually losing the most, which must mean Ukraine is actually really winning by losing less.
But the fact remains, Ukraine did lose and loses more land every week as well as other loses that a country fighting a war IN THEIR COUNTRY, loses.
Sadly, our morally bankrupt, bought and paid for politicians are controlled by the diabolical military-industrial complex which gets rich from wars, especially this one. The biased news media is controlled by political activists and ratings/sales which includes appreciating wars that increase their profits.
They are so obsessed with hating Putin that they can't conceive of acknowledging he actually won the war a long time ago............so they continually pass on the propaganda and to continue fighting for the lost cause while making it worse and worse for Ukraine.
Look at the map below which has the latest, updated information on the Ukraine war.
Blue(other than the water) represents Ukraine advancing or claiming to advance.
There isn't any blue! That's because Russia already won this war and is taking more land as both sides are suffering more casualties.
The propaganda wants us to think that Russia's bigger casualties mean that Ukraine is winning.......so Ukraine should continue to fight to get all their land back.
The complete OPPOSITE is happening. Look at the map!
One of NATO's core objectives is to surround and destroy Russia. It is NOT just a defensive pact.
Putin knows this and its why we are having this war. Devious NATO was willing to sacrifice all of Ukraine's army(when there was no chance to win) because it considers the damage happening to Russia as a victory for NATO.
It was the latest swing in Trump’s position on the war that often shifts following contact with Putin, who has shown skill in influencing the U.S. president.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/10/18/russia-putin-trump-ukraine-phone/
I believe(speculate) that Trump's 180 degree flip a month+ ago to suddenly, unexpectedly, strongly supporting the NATO/Ukraine position, even stating that Ukraine can get their land back in contrast to everything he had been saying, was purely a strategic move designed (in his mind) to get the attention of the Nobel Peace Prize, Norwegian committee that votes. Historically they have been joined at the hip with NATO and the UN.
He was also talking about giving Ukraine long range missiles to attack, deeply inside of Russia.
After he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize that he's convinced that he deserves.............he immediately went back to his previous position on Ukraine/Russia.
So now he doesn't have to suck up to the 5 people on the committee that votes for the Nobel Peace Prize anymore.
Not only is this another example of Trump's actions and agenda mostly designed to do things that are best to make Donald Trump look good(based on what Donald Trump thinks that is) but it shows again, how unstable, fickle, unpredictable and impulsive he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Nobel_Committee
The Norwegian Nobel Committee (Norwegian: Den norske Nobelkomité) selects the recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize each year on behalf of Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel's estate, based on instructions of Nobel's will.
Five members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament. In his will, Alfred Nobel tasked the parliament of Norway with selecting the winners of the Nobel Peace Prize. At the time, Norway and Sweden were in a loose personal union. Despite its members being appointed by Parliament, the committee is a private body tasked with awarding a private prize. In recent decades, most committee members were retired politicians.
Trumps complete reversal, all the way back to his position he had before is pretty indicative that his temporary position, supporting Ukraine/Zelensky/NATO in their impossibly absurd position (to get all their land back and get into NATO) was just a Trump marketing scheme to get the Nobel Peace Prize votes.
It didn't work, so now he's back to the only position that makes sense.
Zelenskyy put on a brave face, telling NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” in an interview recorded Friday after the meeting with Trump, that “we are not losing this war, and Putin is not winning.”
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Sure thing, Zelensky, we can tell that Putin is not winning/or Ukraine losing by looking at this map again
Red = Russia winning = ~100%
Blue = Ukraine winning= ~0%
As unpredictable and unstable as Trump is, the current position of his, similar to the one before he made the play to get the Noble Peace Prize is THE ONLY ONE that has a chance to obtain peace and stop Ukraine's losses where they are.
Ideally, Biden/NATO and puppet man/Zelensky would have been smart enough to realize that in 2021/early 22 and Ukraine would not have lost anything. NATO would have lost their objective to get Ukraine but Ukraine would have lost nothing.
Instead, Biden and NATO decided to have a war with Russia to fight over NATO getting Ukraine and called Putin's bluff. But Putin was not bluffing.
Ukraine got decimated and lost the war by every reasonable standard over a year ago. They have no military left to defend, so Russia is slowly taking more and more territory as Zelensky, NATO/Europe/the MSM keep declaring that we can defeat Russia but all we need is X, Y and Z.
Well NATO/Ukraine/Biden just used up A thru W in their military alphabet and they turned out to be the absolute worse war strategists in the history of wars.
Sending hundreds of thousands of brave Ukrainians on suicide missions and completely flushing hundreds of billions of US tax payer war funding down the toilet (that made Ukraine even more corrupt).
And after all this, they still insist on fighting on instead of negotiating for peace that REQUIRES they acknowledge the truth. THEY LOST THE WAR! All the Western/NATO/MSM lies and propaganda in the world can't change that.
The map above is the indisputable, objective, authentic truth.
Zelensky and NATO: Please do what Trump advises and stop using Ukrainians to fight NATO's war. NATO doesn't care about Ukrainians. It wants to destroy Russia and has been USING Ukrainians. Zelensky has offered up his brave soldiers on a silver platter to NATO to fight their NATO war to get his Western World celebrity status as a great warrior, fighting the evil Putin/Russia.
Worst military leader in the history of the world and you can tell that here in October 20, 2025 by just reading his words again:
“we are not losing this war, and Putin is not winning.”
A man that doesn't even know the battle field, in fact convinces himself and his mostly killed off army (from his CATASTROPHICALLY BAD decisions) that its the complete opposite of reality and makes military decisions based on a fake reality that is just killing off the rest of his army is not qualified to lead them.
And Trump does another flip!
https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/22/politics/bessent-sanctions-russia
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy urges more missiles for Ukraine, wider sanctions on Russia at meeting with European leaders in London.
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I totally get that Putin is the most powerful, diabolical man on the planet (with Netanyahu giving him a run for his money).
It's a REALLY good thing to fight and stop people like this.
However, it's really, REALLY dumb to fight when there is no chance at all to win instead of negotiating.
In 2021/22 Biden/NATO and their puppet(that they used for their agenda) decided to fight an impossible war to win against Putin instead of giving up their quest for NATO to expand into Ukraine.
Yes, Putin was and is very diabolical but only really dumb military leaders would get into a battle that never had a chance of succeeding as in NEVER! Sacrificing the lives of most of Ukraine's brave soldiers, hundreds of billions in support from our tax payers flushed down the toilet so that the military-industrial-political-media complex could make out like bandits.......to lose a war they could never win.
And they keep bombarding us with the fairy tale propaganda that Russia is losing and Ukraine can get all their land back if we just keep enriching the morally bankrupt military-industrial-political complex, that along with the media are the propaganda message gatekeepers.
There is something called risk/reward.
What reasonable person would risk losing the lives of all their loved ones in their family to get something that had no chance of happening?
That's exactly what NATO/Biden and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex did to the Ukrainian soldiers. Turned them all into casualties in a not winnable war and have the audacity to keep insisting that we are doing it to...........SUPPORT THEM!!!
Seriously, sending these brave soldiers on suicide missions for 3+ years in a war they never had a chance to win is "SUPPORTING THEM"????
Zelensky is the worse one. Sacrificing his soldiers. FORCING THEM TO FIGHT NATO's war with Putin. NATO couldn't have done it without puppet Zelensky, who they elevated to a great warrior and military leader in the Western World.
The puppet man, who's previous experience was being an actor and comedian with tremendous charisma. No military background. They used his charisma to travel him to all the NATO countries as a hero compelling the citizens in those countries to give their hard earned tax dollars to the military industrial complex and support to NATO to fight their impossible to win war against the diabolical Putin.
With the worst military leadership in the history of the human race, including the unqualified Zelensky. What brilliant general would lead his army intentionally into battle after battle after losing battle with no chance to win any of them and sacrifice his entire army, while losing badly to gain nothing and keep claiming that he was winning?
Brilliant military leaders KNOW THE BATTLEFIELD!!!! They don't sacrifice their entire army to lose everything and gain nothing when every metric tells them they don't have a snowball in hell's chance. Even the least qualified military leaders would never do this.
The military leaders(NATO/Biden/Zelensky) fighting Putin did that EXACTLY! That's why they are the worst in history.
What made it so especially bad is that they had other WINNING OPTIONS to start off with when negotiating in 2021/2022. All they had to give up was NATO's obsession with expanding into Ukraine. That was it. No war. No 1 million+ causalities! No half a trillion is wasted capital by our side(to enrich the military-industrial complex) . No 1 trillion+ in damages to Ukraine.
Instead, they opted to fight the unwinnable war because they want to destroy Russia and get NATO into Ukraine. Distorting all the facts to sell the war to us with absurd propaganda and as was always inevitable, so they gave all that up........TO GET NOTHING!
And these same sources in October 2025 insist that Ukraine should get everything back and that Ukraine isn't really losing the war because Russia is losing even worse. Brave Russian soldiers being killed because they have no choice but to die fighting on the wrong side are no longer human beings. They are now how we keep score to determine who is winning the war!!!
Ukraine has almost no army left. They couldn't win at 100% strength/numbers and hundreds of billions in weapons coming in.
Makes no sense to prolong this with the expectation of Ukraine getting back all their land, when every week that passes, just increases their losses.
Since the NATO objective includes killing as many Russians as possible, they see this as a win(defined by dead Russians and a weaker Russia) at the expense of Ukraine, of course.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/10/1166189
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There is no question that Putin is a diabolical murderer and deserves the death penalty X10 for all his war crimes.
But this narrative that "we can't let him win" or "we have to fight against evil" no matter what is complete nonsense in this situation.
Like the late Pope Francis profoundly stated, Ukraine need to have the courage of the white flag.
In other words, fighting for a lost cause makes no sense if your tremendous losses will greatly exceed any potential benefits.
Sadly, on our side only the military-industrial-political complex is reaping massive benefits.
The PEOPLE, the BRAVE SOLDIERS, UKRAINE, THE WEST and THE TAX PAYERS have all suffered huge losses with 0 gains applying this strategy the past 3.5+ years.
Our military leaders and message gatekeepers, that entire time, made decisions and fed us propaganda to justify continuing to fight and when negotiating, insisting that Russia give all the land back that it already won in the war(and demand that Ukraine get into NATO-which Putin will never allow-is the biggest reason he started this war).
After being wrong for 3.5 years, they continue with the same strategy but now, after killing off the majority of Ukraine's army there is no hope. Putin knows this which is why he continues to take more land.
He might be the most diabolical man on the planet but he out thought and out strategized our sides blundering military leaders with Zelensky being the worst one in history. Just look at the battlefield people!
This is much more than just good vs evil.
It's common sense against ignorance.
It's preserving human life against sending brave soldiers on suicide missions with nothing but losses to show for it.
It's about saving hundreds of billions against flushing it all down the toilet TO KILL PEOPLE with no benefits.
It's about saving land and infrastructure worth trillions in Ukraine against letting Putin take more and more.
It's smart military leaders/decisions against nothing but dumb decisions on our side.
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With regards to common sense:
After you lose a war really bad by every reasonable standard(and lose more every week), you don't pretend that you didn't lose then demand everything back when negotiating.
In what venue does the person that finished in last place demand that they shoud get the rewards of the person that finished in first place???
That's what the propaganda fed to us has us convinced is achievable. Then, when Putin continually rejects that, we pretend that our position was reasonable and Putin just doesn't want to negotiate.
Putin would likely negotiate if our side ever got serious and made reasonable offers. Not offers that represent what we WISH would happen. Not offers that were on the table from Putin BEFORE we decided to have a war with him and lost by every standard. Reasonable offers based on the current battlefield and dynamics that acknowledge that Putin WON THE WAR and is only adding to that, the longer we stay delusional.
If instead, the objective is actually to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible, hurt the Russian economy and to enrich the military-industrial-political complex...........then we are kicking arse and should continue.
However, if we want to REALLY help the innocent people being used as pawns in a war they didn't start but are forced to give their lives up for............it's long past the time to recognize the loss when negotiating and dial that in with reasonable offers to Putin.
https://understandingwar.org/newsroom/dont-believe-putins-lies-russia-is-not-winning-in-ukraine/
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There they go again with more propaganda about who is winning the war.
It's clearly a war of attrition by design from Putin. This person wants us to think that since Russia is losing more troops that they are actually NOT winning and we should continue to fight.........NEVER MIND all the losses that are decimating Ukraine.
If this guy's own son's were destined to die on the Ukraine battlefield, giving up their lives in suicide missions for a lost cause.......would he still have this position?
Stop pretending that we have been supporting Ukraine by getting their army killed off and country decimated for almost 4 years, when the real objective is to hurt Russia by USING THESE BRAVE SOLDIERS for their political agenda.
This is the latest battlefield assessment: Unless you don't have eyes and an objective brain that thinks critically, you can see what Putin sees too.
Who is winning(won) and who is losing(lost)????
I don't like it one bit either but accepting the truth, while acknowledging the battlefield reality is a key component in being a good military leader.
No smart general would send his brave soldiers on suicide missions for almost 4 years if they knew this would be the outcome.
They would need to gain something for giving up their lives!!!!!
The objective would not be to lose extremely badly by every measure.
However while dying killing 3 times as many Russians while doing it when an alternative of negotiating is offered, giving up MUCH less than you gave up in the losing battle and NOBODY DIES!!!
The military leadership of NATO is delusional with their objective to destroy Russia and their puppet, Zelensky sacrificed his brave soldiers and country for them.
I am strongly on the side of UKRAINIANS. The people and brave soldiers which is why I have this position. Look what WE DID to them because WE(and Zelensky) were convinced that they had to die in order to stop evil Putin.
And it didn't stop Putin and never was going to stop Putin from square 1. We wasted their lives!!!
Putin killed them but we wasted their lives in a battle of attrition that could never be won for our side.........instead of negotiating.
Now that Putin has won, we can't demand that he give back what WE FOUGHT HIM FOR AND LOST. As much as we wish it weren’t true, unfortunately, evil DID win.
Time to do damage control and stop living with ignorance is bliss. Stop the war and cut off the blockbuster profits and benefits of our military, industrial, political, media complex that serve as gatekeepers of the fork tongue propaganda messages intended to keep their profits gushing in.
American leader Donald Trump once again declared that he had successfully ended 8 wars. Moreover, he added that "significant progress" had been made in ending Russia's war against Ukraine.
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What Trump says and what the truth is are almost never the same for most realms. In the case of the Ukraine war, Trump has gone from 1 extreme to the other extreme, back and forth several times now.
We will always be hopeful for an end to the Ukraine war because the fact still remains that Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world.
Trump does seem to be trying, despite his incompetence, lack of credibility and constant lies(or being completely delusional and passing that on). The most powerful man in the world has the best chance to end this compared to anybody else.
Ukraine continues to get completely decimated by Russia in this 1 sided war as the propaganda from NATO/The West/Military-Industrial-Political-Media Complex continues to cover that up and blatantly lie to us.
Absurdly pretending that its reasonable to insist that Russia give everything back that they won in the war which Biden/NATO/Puppet Zelensky decided to fight with Russia instead of negotiate when all they had to give up was NATO getting Ukraine.
https://understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment/
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0l0k4389g2o
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Russia is crushing Ukraine, almost everywhere. Zelensky and NATO have the absurd negotiating position NOT Russia!
Offering up more brave Ukrainian soldiers on losing, suicide missions is NOT supporting Ukraine. It's killing brave Ukrainian soldiers and creating more losses for their families FOR NATO(who's victory metric is the number of dead Russians) and FOR the Industrial Military Political Media complex(which is having block buster profits and ratings tied to the war).
This is the opposite of supporting Ukraine. Use your heads, people. It's indisputable that Putin is an evil man and cold blooded killer but engaging in a LOSING BATTLE with him using the worst military leadership in human history is blatant ignorance and lacks compassion for the REAL human beings in Ukraine being sacrificed as pawns who have no choice.
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https://menafn.com/1110315934/Report-Shows-Over-21600-Soldiers-Deserted-Ukraine-in-October
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RT.com
08 Nov 2025, 20:46 GMT+10
https://www.irishsun.com/news/278682014/ukraine-hits-desertion-record-bbc
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The small eastern city has been a focus of Moscow's grinding Donbas offensive.
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Russia having more casualties is NOT Ukraine winning!
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Actually, it's the exact opposite. Russia is not isolated. It's mainly NATO countries, including the United States that are trying to sell this absurdity to support the war.
This position makes more sense but NATO sending troops is WW3:
The propaganda wants us to believe that most of the world is on the side of NATO and against Russia.
Actually, it's mostly NATO countries that support NATO. All our news in the United States is NATO-centric.............and almost all of it is PROPAGANDA!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/t2yx77/world_map_of_countries_that_support_ukraine_or/
Military Watch Magazine Editorial Staff
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainain-army-40000-desertions-month
metmike: This is an unsolvable, catastrophic statistic that our fork tongue sources continually lie to us about.
It's insanely cruel to do this to these poor Ukrainian soldiers. Forcing them to go on suicide missions for NATO and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex and then call it "supporting Ukrainians".
Diabolical NATO and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex uses Russian deaths as the metric to measure success. They collude on the lies and propaganda to steal our intelligence and twist the catastrophic, already lost war facts into fairy tale stories about brave Ukrainian soldiers fighting a war they believe in to fight for democracy and defeat Russia.
That is complete bs.
We are giving them death sentences to fight NATO's war so that the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex can reap massive benefits.
Puppet Zelensky, the WORST military leader in the history of the human race knows dang well that he is doing this to his people.
NATO captured his brain and massive ego for THEIR cause and turned this charismatic, professional actor into a great war hero/celebrity that travels on numerous visits to NATO countries to SELL THE NATO WAR!
Please read the article below, this is the truth that our despicable, morally bankrupt message gatekeepers are blatantly lying to us about!!!! Please stop letting them steal your intelligence!
This has been going on for a very long time and its getting worse.
Zelensky is an egocentric, narcissist, sociopath killing off his army for fame in NATO countries.
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https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-recruitment-army/
“Busification” is a well-understood term in Ukraine and refers to the process in which young men are detained against their will, often involving a violent struggle, and bundled into a vehicle — often a minibus — for onward transit to an army recruitment center.
Look online and you’ll find a trove of thousands of incidents, with most of them filmed this year alone. You can find videos of a recruitment officer chasing a man and shooting at him, a man being choked to death on the street with a recruiter’s knee on his neck. Many include family members or friends fighting desperately to prevent their loved one being taken against his will.
If videos of this nature, on this systemic scale, were shared in the United States or the United Kingdom, I believe that members of the public would express serious concerns. Yet the Western media remains largely silent, and I find it difficult to understand why.
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More of the same. Russia, long ago has defeated Ukraine(that barely has an army left) and is in 99.9% control.......but the MSM and NATO report the headlines news like Ukraine is holding its own and still has a chance to win
It's like a football game, where 1 side already lost 70-3 in 4 quarters and its over. But the losing side won't concede the loss or agree to end the game and give the winner what they played the game for(No NATO and the land that was won).
Instead they stay on the field and demand the game continue into a 5th, 6th, 7th quarter with the score going to 77-3, 84-4, 91-3, 98-3, 105-3........140-3. More and more lopsided. With the losers side reporting that they haven't lost yet even though their/our side doesn't even have 11 players left to play a legit game of football.
Then, the losers get another field goal and it's 140-6 and the headlines distort that to mean the battle is not over and they can still win.
It's been over for a long time but NATO wants to fight TO THE LAST DROP OF BRAVE UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS BLOOD and traitor Zelensky is sending his brave soldiers on suicide missions for his PERSONAL AGENDA as puppet for NATO.
Here in the West/United States, the diabolical military-industrial-political-media complex continues to benefit from the war and to serve as message gatekeepers with people who are morally bankrupt, feeding us lies and propaganda to keep the war and their profits going as long as possible.
The complicit and enabling media, unable to use their brains to apply objective, critical thinking act as cheerleaders that have decided that this is a good vs evil fight and to interpret everything so that it always means evil didn't win and can't win, no matter the facts.
Putin and Russia won already! Throwing away more lives and resources to give him a bigger win so that NATO can kill more Russians and the military-industrial-political-media complex can have more block buster gains IS NOT SUPPORTING UKRAINIANS BEING USED AS PAWNS.
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This is not about justice for Putin(which will never happen), who is killing off his own brave soldiers that are living and dying in a hell hole. NO THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING! It's about what Pope Francis called "having the courage to use the white flag" to do what's right/best for the people that matter the most. Those fighting the war.
The plan includes items that could be painful for Ukraine to accept
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CNN just broke the news of the details, which are also published at this link above. Their guest expert called it a complete joke and that we should wait for Donald Trump to change his mind again because he's being controlled by Russia again.
1. I strongly approve of this peace plan and am hopeful that both countries approve it. It's extremely reasonable based on the REALITIES.
2. Unfortunately, Donald Trump has flipped back and forth on his position so much that he's wrecked his credibility. He started the year with this position. Then he flipped to supporting NATO and Ukraine's absurd position, which appeared to be motivated by his desire to get the Nobel Peace Prize since their committee is tied at the hip to NATO.
3. I'm sure most Americans and people in NATO countries will not like this position because they've been completely brainwashed by propaganda and lies that I showed a zillion times here.
4. If Ukraine refuses these terms and Russia agrees, then Ukraine will keep losing more and more and more land.
As expected, the MSM, NATO and Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex is outraged at Trumps peace plan between Ukraine and Russia.
I could post 20 articles written today and have 20 pages showing what they have wrong and elaborating but would just be repeating all the same points above.
Without a better strategy, the U.S. could see defeat of democracy in the heart of Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/11/21/ukraine-trump-putin/
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This is one of the countless delusional propaganda opinion articles. Returning to a failed policy as the current one is working so great???? Ukraine is teetering, as if the outcome of the war is still in doubt and Ukraine can still win and we must continue the current strategy which features Ukraine already lost, most of its army gone from casualties and desertions and losing more every singe day.....that policy???
But never mind all that. This is a fight of good vs evil (even though the good side has been obliterated and has nothing left) and fight for democracy.............even as most of Ukraine will remain Ukraine and the part they give up to Russia was lost long ago with 0% hope of getting back.
Not acknowledging that and pretending that some fairy tale world exists, one where Russia, despite completely crushing Ukraine permanently is going to suddenly give back everything that NATO intentionally fought this war with them over(and Russia won).
Regardless of who is evil and who is good, NATO(which is actually evil) decided to use Ukraine and Ukrainians, recruiting Zelensky as their puppet to sacrifice all his people to fight NATO's war, they made a choice to fight the war and winner take all. They lost! They lost badly!!!!
When you lose a war badly, you don't get everything that both sides were fighting over and the winner gives it all back.
I really like Trump's' plan here a great deal. It gives the losers much more than the loser of most wars get. If they reject it, then they will lose even more with certainty.
They could have lost nothing by just agreeing to Putin's demands 4 years ago that insisted no NATO in Ukraine. Instead, NATO's response was to insist they WOULD get Ukraine and would fight a war with Russia to decide who get's Ukraine.
A year later, when the damage was stating to mount..........same response by NATO. A refusal to negotiate for peace with Russia...........so Putin just kept winning more and more.
And it never stopped, including the, now galactically absurd position by the losing side that they want everything back.
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When a football team loses 70-3, they don't get a win.
When a student flunks every test in a class, the teacher doesn't give them an A for the final grade.
When a trader has a position that wipes out most of the money in their account, the market doesn't give them all their money back.
There are consequences to most important decisions we make. NATO intentionally fought this war with Russia to get Ukraine and to try to destroy Russia. NATO has been dishonest from the get go in cahoots with our Military-Industrial-Polititical-Media message gatekeepers that have been repeating robust benefits at the expense of Ukrainians and absurdly, selling this as us supporting Ukrainians.
NO, NO, NO!!! Sending them on suicide missions for NATO with no hope from the get go of every winning and rejecting negotiations was never supporting Ukraine.