In preparing for my radio interview later today...........planning to state that the side giving us 12 more years to save the planet was making similar predictions..................12 years ago, none of which have happened(in many cases, just the opposite), I decided to fact check Al Gore's prediction of all the Arctic sea ice melting in the Summer.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/
What's hilarous from Snopes is their absurd reasoning to rate the statement partially false.
MixtureAbout this rating
In the late 2000s, Al Gore made a series of high-profile statements suggesting the possibility that Arctic sea ice could be completely gone during the summer by around 2013 or 2014.
Gore did not himself make these predictions but said (in some cases erroneously) that others had; Gore never referred to a year-long lack of ice for both poles, but instead largely referenced Arctic sea ice in the summer.
"In the years 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore made statements about the possibility of a complete lack of summer sea ice in the Arctic by as early as 2013. While Gore attributed these predictions to scientists, they stemmed from a selective reading of aggressive estimates regarding future melting. The comments became a popular talking point for human-caused climate change deniers in 2014 and onward when the predictions, which in some cases were overstated, did not pan out."
metmike: Gore stated for years that Arctic sea ice could be completely gone in the Summer by as early as 2013, over and over and over.
Snopes says that it wasn't really Gore's prediction because he was siting others and since he made errors in siting others predictions, it really doesn't count. The funniest part is that Snopes says that Gore never predicted the ice to be completely gone all year, only in the Summer as if those holding Gore accountable for predicting the Arctic would be ice free by 2014, would say that Gore or anybody could possibly think that there would be no Arctic sea ice in the Winter too(when temperatures are below zero most of the time).
Another example of biased/spinning by Snopes.
So I just fact checked Snopes and rated half of what they stated as FALSE or misleading. The part that enabled them to twist the facts in order to come up with a half false rating.
The authentic rating about Gore's statement(s) is 100% true!
Gore stated for years that Summer Arctic sea ice would be gone by as early as 2013. The Arctic ice bottomed(hit a low point in 2012) and never came anywhere close to being all melted.
Gore was 100% wrong. Snopes was 50% wrong with their rating and spent most of their time using biased bs in their assessment to justify being wrong.
Go to this link and hit the individual years on the right to see the graphed line of those individual years in different colors.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
The current amount of Arctic sea ice is the most since 2014(higher than 2015-16-17-18) and is just a tad less than...................12 years ago at this time, in 2007.
I'm not making a case that there wasn't alot of sea ice that melted in the 1990's until around 2012.
Just that those claiming that its accelerating or even continuing are not telling the truth.
Even if it starts melting again, the fact that there has been such a long period with no melting tells you that one side is exaggerating how bad it is.
Well, metmike, I think you are ignoring the true import of the two faces of the same coin.
Heads, less summer ice at the North Pole proves that there is Global Warming. Tails, more summer ice at the North Pole proves that there is Climate Change. Since Climate Change is known by everyone to be the same exact thing as Global Warming, we're all going to be dead by 2014.
You can't argue with logic like that.
If you want to hear what metmike sounds like.
Scroll down the page and hit the play button.
Go to the 29 minute mark from the 4-5pm show and continue to the end of the program.
https://relevantradio.com/2019/03/the-drew-mariani-show-march-4th-hour-3/
OK metmike!
wait a second here. crazy al said on many, many occasions NY would be flooded. If so, just where does snopes think all that water was coming from? Yes melted ice caps
And Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. Conservatives, for reasons I can't explain, love lying.
In spite of the fact that you are the first, in this conversation, to bring up the claim that Al Gore invented the internet as an example of "Conservative Lies", it remains one of my favorites.
Here is the exact quote:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
So, he did not invent the internet, he created it :-)
so how is that a conservative lie? another one of those things libs repeat often enough then they say it must be true?
Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn stated that "we don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he 'invented' the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet."
joj, please explain.....are you are saying its not what algore says, its what 2 other people claim he said, when you were just given the direct quote of what algore said...wow jerry Nadler needs you on his staff asap
You have to understand. When Al Gore says he created the internet, that's not really what he meant. Like when Obama said, "You didn't build that" to business owners, that's not what he meant.
But when Trump says "There were good people on both sides", what he's really saying is that Nazi's are good people.
See how that works?
Two points Mike. Not only is it clear that YOUR bias about Snopes is obvious but you reasoning is specious. Your argument seems to be based on the fact that you thinks snopes is letting Gore off too easily . They - SNOPES - quote what Gore said correctly.
The fact that you dont like snopes doesnt mean they have a bias.
SECOND ... listening to you on a religious radio show You have now become conspiracy drive hack?
call after call on the radio show featured comment about secret $$$ ... socialism ... politically driven / establishment science.
Sad
Thanks for the comments wxdavid.
I try to be as objective as possible, letting the scientific method guide me.............facts and evidence and also skeptical of my own beliefs.
I also encourage those who disagree with me or others to post comments and provide facts/evidence, if they can to support their opinions............but that's not required.
However, in your case, to help you out since you've not been here in over 6 months and may have forgotten the incidents with several of our posters, I must remind you that you are not to call other posters that you disagee with obscene names, use excessive profanity, or make personal attacks. You were not banned previously for violating these rules when I was willing to tolerate almost anything.
Maybe you missed the warnings at that time because after I issued them and deleted your offensive posts....you vanished but you can't miss this one.
Since you are a very skilled meteorologist, I would hope that you feel generous enough, like WxFollower or Wxgrant. to share some of that talent with us...........as you have at times in the past.
If not, then you are always welcome here to post in an acceptable manner.
metmike
"The fact that you dont like snopes doesnt mean they have a bias.
SECOND ... listening to you on a religious radio show You have now become conspiracy drive hack?
call after call on the radio show featured comment about secret $$$ ... socialism ... politically driven / establishment science.
Sad."
Now to respond to your specific comments.
On Snopes, my statements regarding their ruling in this thread seem pretty clear. I don't know how to elaborate any more. You agree that they quoted Gore predicting the Summer ice would be gone in late 2013 and 2014 lots of times...........so why is this only half true?
To assist you with more elaboration, I will provide additional evidence that it's Snopes thats biased.
Snopes also made this comment in their half false ruling:
"The comments became a popular talking point for human-caused climate change deniers in 2014 and onward when the predictions, which in some cases were overstated, did not pan out."
As our resident liberal authority, carl agreed with me previously, a fact checking entity that editorializes("talking point"-instead of fact) ("in some cases overstated"-wrong) and calls names("climate change deniers") is clearly biased.
But I have shown this pattern with Snopes previously here. Scroll down at the link below and see the quintessential example of a fact checker displaying bias:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/22698/
With regards to "call after call on the radio show"..............you mean all 2 of the calls?
If you disagree with their points, tell us what they said that you think was wrong and show us data/facts to prove that it was wrong please...............just like I did to establish my opinion that Snopes is biased.......or anything related to climate here.
"Conspiracy drive hack"
Good one. Independent, objective scientists searching for the truth are ANTI conspiracy drive hacks.............so please show your work that gives you that impression.............no, not because you disagree with my work or obviously have an opinion that disagrees, show us why the opposite is true with authentic data/facts.
For starters, show us why we should ignore over 100 studies that show the Medieval Warm Period was this warm or warmer. Show us compelling evidence that the Holocene climate optimum, 5,000+ years ago was not warmer than this or that the planet is not greening up massively because of the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years or that crop yields and world food production are not also soaring higher because of this and the increase in CO2 or that thousands of scientific studies on hundreds of plants don't show the same thing or that climate models are NOT too warm or that polar bear numbers have not(greatly) increased or that violent tornadoes have not decreased or that hurricanes have increased or that global drought has increased or that Arctic sea ice has continued to melt since 2012.
wxdavid,
Here are a few of my posts from the past 8 months on climate change.
Look them over. You've been a meteorologist for at least a couple of decades. Feel free to critique my work and tell me where I'm wrong. If you make some good points, I will consider adjusting mine..........remember, not just opinions but data/facts are required first for me to consider the points.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25016/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/22904/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/18326/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/14777/
Just so others understand who wxdavid is, he's had his own successful, private weather forecasting service the past 2 decades:
This is intended purely as a compliment and show of respect for his knowledge/skill/credentials in meteorology, which is why I always look forward to his fact/data based comments on weather here........and in this case, if he wants to comment on climate change.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/25818/
"Currently, there is 0% of the Cornbelt/Midwest with drought. There is no place even slightly dry there or east of the Rockies, other than in TX and coastal SC.
I am pretty sure that this has never happened since records have been kept.
And we are being told that climate change is increasing drought. "
The observations and empirical data show that the planet continues to head deeper into the climate optimum...........that would continue for at least the next few decades.
Only global climate models(that have been wrong/too warm the past 20 years) simulating the future atmosphere with equations that need adjusting and using no natural cycles show otherwise.
Climate crisis?
Yeah right, down is up and up is down.
Dying=Greening. Increasing drought=more precipitation and less global drought. Global warming=more extreme cold.
Hottest in thousands of years =similar warmth to 1,000, 2,000 and 3,500 years ago and not as warm as 5,000-9,000 years ago.
Sun +H20 + Minerals +CO2 = O2 + Food(sugars).......the old equation for photosynthesis we learned in school, is now:
Sun +H2O + Minerals +Pollution = Climate Crisis
Global Climate Crisis = Climate Optimum!!!
Of course from around 11,700 years ago to 115,000 years ago we were in the last glacial period.