lots of silly talk from your side cliff...how about a steak dinner bet.......give you the dem field, every one of them and I take Trump? If you hadn't noticed the dem party left that list of former dems decades ago...look who is running...
mc, I'd like to take that bet … but only after the final selection.
didn't Trump beat the "most qualified candidate ever" in the last election? and now they want to run this bunch? Really? Number 1 front runner cannot even announce in front of a live crowd because of fears no one will show.....Think Trump had a rally Saturday nite, sold the arena out .....again....with thousands outside watching on screens in of all places.........Wisconson.....
mc, take off the virtual reality set and standby for 2020.
$50 gift card to Red Lobster OK with you?
mcfarm,
I wouldn't make that bet. We haven't seen the "Savior" emerge yet from this group and that's the only reason the MSM is not jumping on any individuals bandwagon yet. They don't want to be too PRO Bernie at this point if Biden is the Savior and vice versa.
The Trump bashing for 2.5 years has been similar to a negative campaign against Trump being re elected by the MSM, in some cases around the clock at stations like CNN. so the savior is already benefiting from that.
Once the "Savior" emerges(Biden has already defined himself as exactly that- the leaders in the world called him, according to him and asked him to run to save the world from Trump) you will see the MSM put their savior on a pedistole and tell us day and night, things about him or her that make Abraham Lincoln and George Washington look like big duds.
They will devote wall to wall coverage that focuses on getting the democrat elected.
Will this work?
Many billions worth in free advertising from all the MSM stations(some being objective at times)?
Yes.
It will be almost impossible to overcome this...........especially in light of the cumulative effect with the last 2.5 years of 93% negative news coverage.
The MSM controls a lot of what people think in this country and even people that don't trust them, when seeing the same thing on most of the other stations that they watch, will/do believe it after awhile.
all great points MM....exactly valid points to be sure but for the most part Carl is a good guy and would not mind buying him dinner and cliff too if he would respond......but for the good of the country I think Trump had better win
"A majority of Americans polled - 58 per cent - also believe Mr Trump lied to the public about the Mueller investigation.
The poll shows that this thinking may have a considerable impact, with 36 per cent of those polled citing the Mueller report, an edited version of which was released to the public on 18 April, making them likely to oppose Trump in 2020."
To me, what this is just saying is that these are the people that will believe anything that the MSM tells them. It was the media that told us everything bad about Trump and Russia, including,. for 2.5 years that he colluded with Russia and now that he obstructed justice.
The Mueller report does not tell us that. The media's intentional spin of the Mueller report does though..........and so you have the numbers above that reflect the opinions of those that always believe the MSM about Trump and this is a perfect example.
And makes my previous point exactly. The MSM is going to make it nearly impossible for Trump to be re elected because they have such a powerful influence on the views of Americans.
You can also think of it this way. Most people wouldn't watch CNN or CNBC if they didn't believe them(other than guys like me).
Guys like mcfarm watch Fox because of what Fox tells them and they believe that. I will say that Fox will often be critical of Trump on many things(not Hannity but guys like Shep Smith).
I like Heraldo Rivera alot. He tells it like it is. He's a libertarian.
The Russian thing is nothing more than a profoundly exaggerated set of circumstances being used for political agenda.
Russia is the enemy. They helped get Trump elected.
Don't mind the fact that Obama already knew this was going on and it was not that big of a deal to him then..........until it became part of a brilliant scheme to destroy Trump.
Polls can help predict (but not always) how people may vote, but they don't tell you who the best man is.
On page 6 a poll showing the top 5 Democrats beating 45 and this was before the issues of NO Show Barr and 45's call to Putin among others.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/05/01/rel6d.-.trump.and.2020.pdf
cliff what value is there in a poll which does not show the make up of those being polled?
41% disapprove with regards to his handling of the economy. Tells us much more about those having the opinion than it does about his performance with the best economy in many decades and in the world by a wide margin.
The economy
Approve Disapprove No opinion
56% 41% 3%
(Respondents who are registered to vote)Q19. If (NAME)were the Democratic Party’s candidate and Donald Trump were the Republican Party’s candidate, for whom would you be more likely to vote?
Bernie Sanders-Donald Trump
50% 44%
Joe Biden-Donald Trum
51% 45%
Bozo T. Clown-Donald Trump
59% 37%
The evidence is clear that almost half of the people are unable to view Trump objectively or give him any credit for anything. It's would be one thing if you hated his guts but recognized the lowest unemployment in 6 decades but what has happened is that because all these people hate Trump, if he cured cancer, he would be putting doctors out of jobs.
This is the objective of the dems and MSM. Get people to hate Trump so much with character assasination and smearing that they can't escape from the brainwash and cognitive bias.
Cognitive Biases
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/28034/
And the poll numbers show that stuff like we saw below is working
Michael Avenatti Appeared On CNN And MSNBC Over 100 Times In 10-Week Period In 2018
https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/25/avenatti-cnn-msnbc-interviews-before-indictment/
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/michael-avenatti-prison/
Michael Avenatti Faces 36 New Counts and Up to 335 Years in prison.
Bozo T. Clown for Prez has a nice ring to it. LOL. ;~)
Glad you liked that one cliff!