Tomorrow, CNN is planning a townhall meeting, featuring experts on the corona.
This event is definitely needed, with some experts telling us that the lockdowns will go on forever, and other doctors telling us that the lockdowns are hurting us.
Finally, we will get a definite answer to our questions and confusion... and this person is no other than Greta Thunberg..... known for skipping highschool and traveling around the world, complaining about the weather..
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/13/cnn-taps-greta-thunberg-coronavirus-town-hall-expe/
Thank you CNN.... as always, you are #1 !!!!!
Thanks very, very much Gunter!
When CNN does stuff like this, instead of it raising my blood pressure(as pj described it) similar to, when they lie bout COVID-19 stats to promote their agenda, it makes me smile.
CNN is so oblivious to their own blatant cognitive bias and lack of objectivity and desire to impose a political agenda on viewers that they can't even exercise common sense judgment or hide it much of the time.
The sad thing is that people watching them have become like cult members that can't tell the difference between the truth/reality and the made up stuff/lies.
They see this as another opportunity to use the coronavirus to push their fake climate crisis agenda. That's why they want her on.
Here's some comments:
"Actress Rosanna Arquette defended the choice, echoing comments of climate activists who have sought to compare the novel coronavirus pandemic to the “climate crisis.”
“She’s a Leader in climate change works with scientists world wide,” tweeted Ms. Arquette, adding,
“Pandemics will be a way of life until we address climate change seriously once and for all.”
From Greta:
“Like the climate crisis, the coronavirus pandemic is a child-rights crisis,” said Thunberg. “It will affect all children, now and in the long-term, but vulnerable groups will be impacted the most. I’m asking everyone to step up and join me in support of UNICEF’s vital work to save children’s lives, to protect health and continue education.”
1. So who doesn't know that the virus mainly kills the elderly and especially sick and elderly and is not even close to being a killer of as many children as the annual flu. So this position is just as fraudulent as her many completely made up statements about climate change. This would be like ESPN having a white high school kid that never played sports and isn't even sure about the rules of basketball, on their show as an expert to discuss the dominance of blacks in the NBA.
2. Pandemics being caused by climate change? Greta and the others always claim that they are following the science. How anti scientific can you get? Ironic that global warming and its the warming of temperatures that helps kill off the flu each year. Spring, hopefully, will help do so with COVID-19. Their made up "junk" science is the opposite of real/authentic science.
Ironically, what Greta does is intentionally cause anxiety in children..........trying to scare the shirt off of them for her political agenda..........world socialism.
As somebody devoted to developing young minds(I've been chess coach to 3,500 K-12 students at 5 schools the past 25 years) What Greta does has the complete opposite objective as I do.
She makes them dumber/tries to get them to believe lies about our world and more afraid about their future. I exercise their brains to work more efficiently to be able to learn more and try to instill confidence in them about their future and to appreciate the many great things in our world/their lives. And I always tell the truth.
Time:
https://time.com/5735388/climate-change-eco-anxiety/
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327354
Eco-anxiety refers to a fear of environmental damage or ecological disaster. This sense of anxiety is largely based on the current and predicted future state of the environment and human-induced climate change.
According to a 2018 national survey, almost 70% of people in the United States are worried about climate change, and around 51% feel “helpless.”
Anxiety around environmental issues may stem from the awareness of a rising risk of extreme weather events, losses of livelihood or housing, fears for future generations, and feelings of helplessness.
This article discusses eco-anxiety, including what it is, the common symptoms, and how to spot and manage it.
Washington Post
"Kids are terrified, anxious and depressed about climate change. Whose fault is that?"
Rueters
9/17/19 Newsweek
IFL Science:
"Rising numbers of children are being treated for “eco-anxiety”, experts have said, as they warn parents against “terrifying” their youngsters with talk of climate catastrophe.
Protests by groups such as Extinction Rebellion, the recent fires in the Amazon and apocalyptic warnings by the teenage activist Greta Thunberg have prompted a “tsunami” of young people seeking help.
A group of psychologists working with the University of Bath says it is receiving a growing volume of enquiries from teachers, doctors and therapists unable to cope.
The Climate Psychology Alliance (CPA) told The Daily Telegraph some children complaining of eco-anxiety have even been given psychiatric drugs.
The body is campaigning for anxiety specifically caused by fear for the future of the planet to be recognised as a psychological phenomenon."
"Her words and demeanor are those of a totalitarian dictator. She says people who don’t act on climate change are “evil.” The United Nations and Congress should never have given her their platforms.
She has taken literally what irresponsible adults have told her, that the planet is going to end in 11 years unless we stop using fossil fuels.
Her parents and the climate industry have exploited her youthful idealism and rigid obsessions. They have frightened her out of her mind and now are exposing her to condemnation and ridicule.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
They have indoctrinated her into believing a childish fantasy, one that has captured the imagination of millions of susceptible children all around the world, and is causing them to suffer, like Greta, what psychologists call eco-anxiety.
One British report found growing numbers of children and young adults are being treated with psychiatric drugs to alleviate climate anxiety.
Some are so certain the planet has no future that they’ve sworn off ever having children.
As irresponsible adult Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told her 2.5 million Instagram followers this year, it is “legitimate” for young people afraid of climate change to ask, “Is it OK to still have children?”
Terrifying children with exaggerated stories about the threat of climate change is a deliberate strategy of eco-totalitarians. It is child abuse.
What Greta does not understand is that it also is a deliberate ploy by climate alarmists to advance their hidden agenda of destroying capitalism."
metmike: The above is from the article.
This opinion article from CNBC makes some good points regarding Greta and the movement:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/24/how-greta-thunbergs-rise-could-backfire-on-environmentalists.html
"There are plenty of politicians and regular voters claiming to be inspired by her words and passion.
There are also lots of observers expressing general alarm at what they see as an indoctrinated child being coerced by adults to make their political arguments with her youth as a shield from any criticism."
"In a remarkable interview on PBS last week, author Jonathan Safran Foer spoke out against Warren’s comments and pointed out that those who say they believe in the dire effects of climate change would do more than protest if they really believed it"
"Based on all the politically partisan slogans and signs we saw at the climate protests over the past few days, are we sure the top motivation is the environment and not politics? If the activists protesting right now could get the most serious climate change threats eliminated, but without politically defeating President Trump and Republicans and/or putting the big oil companies out of business in the process, would they still be interested in the cause?
This new focus on making environmentalism an angrier protest movement threatens to make the effort to protect the planet just another wedge issue that politicians often use to motivate their base of voters. Similar wedge issues like abortion and gun control have long shifted become tribal controversies with little chance of progress and compromise. Greta Thunberg is angry."
More discussing of Greta here:
Teen Climate Activist Speaks To Congress: Blatant scientific fraudulence and child abuse used as the latest scheme to push the extreme propaganda. September 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39525/
What the "Climate Crisis" is really all about: Greta Thunberg is a Marxist. Climate religion(fake climate emergency) and the propaganda is all about converting us to global socialism. December 2019
This is how you use authentic science to develop young minds, instill confidence, represent truth, help our young people to have a successful, rewarding/positive future on our greening planet of the wonderful world that features the current climate optimum:
Wonderful Chess Tournament
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/48387/
So Greta, will be CNN's expert tonight, elaborating more on her coronavirus comments that include: " the coronavirus pandemic is a child-rights crisis, It will affect all children"
As you can see from the data of the real world, the rate of coronavirus for those older than 75 is 1,692 times greater than the rate for those 17, Greta's age.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/%20-%20Worldometer.png)
https://time.com/5684216/greta-thunberg-un-climate-action-summit-climate-speech/
“You all come to us young people for hope. How dare you?” she said. “You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words, and yet, I’m one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing.”
Thunberg grew tearful, as she continued to condemn what she sees as the lack of action on part of leaders around the world to halt climate change. “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?”
Now, she and others are trying to make a connection between the coronavirus and the climate crisis.
The profound irony is in the fact that the complete opposite is true with the real very powerful connection that we are seeing being the one between fossil fuel use and the quality of our lives.
The economy and things that contribute to our enjoyment in life are driven strongly by by fossil fuels. In this case, we had to severely cut back on the economy and things that give us enjoyment and improve the quality of our lives and it caused the use of fossil fuels to drop off of a cliff.
If we go in the other direction, the same correlation exists. Cutting back severely on the use of cheap, reliable, abundant and power packed fossil fuels, means not being able to provide the amount of energy needed to sustain those wonderful things....including driving the economy.
Quality of Lives = Use/Demand for cheap fossil fuels
Use/demand for cheap fossil fuels = Quality of lives
Still waiting to listen to Greta.
They are telling us that she is going to talk about the disruption that the coronavirus is causing to schools around the world..............wait a second, Greta DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL a year ago at age 16!
This wouldn't be affecting her.
She never talked about how the coronavirus was disrupting schools.
They helped her along with the interview.
Apparently she thinks that she had it but never got tested.
I won't criticize this teenager who thinks that she is doing a good thing by following the direction and reading the scripted verbiage of her adult handlers.
The adults using her are the ones that should be held accountable for this ludicrous, anti science scheme intended to recruit as many young people into the fake climate crisis cult as possible.........by using a teenager/high priestess that has captured their brains.
At the end of the interview, Anderson asked her if she was happy that science is finally getting stressed during the coronavirus and this means that maybe now, we have learned to start listening to the scientists and will do that more from now on with regards to the (fake) climate crisis.
I hope so. Then we can take back climate science from people like Greta and Anderson Cooper who confuse climate science with politics and are using their power to promote their global socialism agenda/belief system. They completely make stuff up about our greening planet during this climate OPTIMUM trying to convince us of something that is not true.
Greta doesn't know any better.
The best part of the show, was at the end when Cooper did a silly attempt at damage control over the massive roasting that he and CNN got the past 24 hours for having Greta featured as a guest expert on the coronavirus.
He pretended that they really were not featuring her as an expert but she just happened to be a guest during the show featuring nothing but experts on the coronavirus and he proceeded to make fun of several people by names that roasted them over it.
Sometimes........it's best to just realize it was a dumb idea, swallow your pride and go on. Trying to pretend that you really didn't do what you did and pretending that those who called you out on it are the really dumb ones probably works for some people though.
"Trying to pretend that you really didn't do what you did and pretending that those who called you out on it are the really dumb ones probably works for some people though."
Maybe but I don't think it worked at all for Trump with his injecting disinfectant idea.
Actually, I meant to say that Trump does that all the time.
We had some big fun with that one here pj!
Non-fake news on Trump rambling about injecting disinfectant
16 responses
Started by WxFollower - April 26, 2020, 7:54 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51231/
Busting Fake News on Bleach
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Started by metmike - April 26, 2020, 12:49 p.m. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51215/
and how about the UV treatment of Corona?
4 responses |
Started by GunterK - April 26, 2020, 5 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51223/
Funny thing about it is that the actual HUGE news out that day got brushed aside and the headlines were all about the above stuff:
Game changing?-Summer kills COVID-19
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51095/
The silliest thing about the bleach incident with Trump is that he never said bleach, like some people were claiming, even in headline and what he said originally, actually made good sense to me(was reasonable).
However after people starting making fun of him and putting a twisted spin on the interpretation of what he meant, the next day,(they convinced him that he must have said something dumb) he got bent out of shape and changed his original meaning(lied about what he really meant) for what he thought would be good damage control.
It was that change that was a dishonest response.
He should have just responded with, "There was nothing wrong with those questions now please go on to something important".
OK, this is President Trump, "There was nothing wrong with those perfect questions, stop making up fake news and ask a question about something that the American people care about!"
So I listened to the Greta interview
This was almost the biggest false pre-hype vilification I have ever witnessed
She did not tell the listeners she was a scientist, as many alluded to her going into stuff she was not qualified to talk about, tonite on CNN. Even talking about damage she might cause to children. Well that did not happen tonite on CNN. This forum pre-judged her and boy was this forum ever wrong.
According to CNN it was Donny Jr. that started the hype, om social media about her being included with expert scientist and including herself as an expert scientist. And the forum accepted Donny Jr. social media stunt, and we should include what the forum thought she would say
For crying out loud, the whole program was individual interviews, including MLB
This young girl was vilified before the CNN town hall even aired. I hope some people learned some thing about jumping to conclusions before the evidence is even presented. I sure hope you folks never sit on a jury. You don't come to a conclusion until the last word is said, according to Trey Gowdy. Wise words, and he is certainly qualified to say those words.
She told people she went into quarantine as a safety measure . She was not tested because her country does not test for mild symptoms that may or may mot be corona. Much the same as my wife was sick but never tested
She was hoping to explain what unicef does for children the world over. She donated money and hoped others would continue with research and money for children diseases in poor countries, for a long time after this pandemic is over.
That was the whole segment with Greta and CNN
This forum tried to vilify Greta with out even waiting for her to say one dang word
The people who pre-judged and vilified her for her part on CNN owe a big apology and must feel rather silly
In previous times she has gone into talking about things that may not be correct. May be she deserves vilification for previous speeches but her part on CNN tonite was perfectly sensible
Tonite she did an interview about her personal sickness and made a plea for people to support unicef. That was all there was and she did good
I won't hold my breath for Donny Jr to apologize but he certainly should, for starting a vilification of Greta on social media and her part, on CNN. This forum was no shinning example of waiting before passing judgement either.
OK, that was just a warm up for what President Trump should have said.
3rd time's a charm:
A better response for Trump: "Yesterday, I asked 2 absolutely perfect questions and fake news decided to change the meaning of those questions to attack me unfairly. This is what they do all day long. We had the best economy in this history of our country....in the history of the world and all they wanted to report on was fake news about colluding with Russia. I was completely cleared. No colluding with Russian. 100% innocent but they still won't stop reporting fake news about it.
Now, we have the invisible enemy. Nobody's fault..........OK, maybe its China's fault but I saved countless lives with the decision early to stop infected people from China from getting in.
Some people say that might have saved a million lives.
But the fake news continues. We constantly hear reports of not enough testing or not enough masks but the cupboards were bare when I took over. The previous administration left us with nothing.
Now we have the most tests and the most masks of any country in the world but fake news doesn't report that. Instead, all they care about is putting the blame on me for the invisible enemy.
2 months ago, estimates were for possibly 1 million people to die. Now, those estimates are only 130,000. That's too many deaths but if we hadn't closed our doors to China maybe a million people would have died. Maybe more than a million, who knows but keeping people from China out early saved many lives. Why don't we hear about that? We have more tests and more masks then any other country. Why don't we hear about that? Instead, all we hear about is fake news.
I asked a perfect question about whether something is possible, perfect question, nothing wrong with the question and fake news changes it to something completely different about bleach. I never said anything about bleach. I never said anything about putting bleach in the human body but fake news made it up."
I asked another perfect question about UV radiation. We know that sunshine and UV radiation kill the virus. Why can't we look into doing something with that? We are trying to defeat this invisible enemy any way that we can. We will defeat this invisible enemy but need to use new treatments. We have the best scientists in the world here at work. We need to ask them tough questions. Can we use UV radiation? Can we use something in the body that kills the virus that hasn't been discovered yet?
Those are perfect questions."
Why is nobody responding to the pre- vilification of Greta on CNN
This is ironic. One of the most anti science people on the planet, continuing to tell us that we must listen to the science.................right, junk science about the fake climate crisis.
The United Nations and Anderson Cooper and Greta's manufactured fake science telling us the current climate optimum that's greening up the planet is actually us destroying the planet with only 10 years left to save it.
We've been hearing about that Twilight Zone science for over 3 decades now:
PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 29, 1989
https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.
He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.
As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.
″Ecological refugees will become a major concern, and what’s worse is you may find that people can move to drier ground, but the soils and the natural resources may not support life. Africa doesn’t have to worry about land, but would you want to live in the Sahara?″ he said.
UNEP estimates it would cost the United States at least $100 billion to protect its east coast alone.
Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands, while the Soviet Union could reap bumper crops if it adapts its agriculture in time, according to a study by UNEP and the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis.
Excess carbon dioxide is pouring into the atmosphere because of humanity’s use of fossil fuels and burning of rain forests, the study says. The atmosphere is retaining more heat than it radiates, much like a greenhouse.
The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.
The difference may seem slight, he said, but the planet is only 9 degrees warmer now than during the 8,000-year Ice Age that ended 10,000 years ago.
Brown said if the warming trend continues, ″the question is will we be able to reverse the process in time? We say that within the next 10 years, given the present loads that the atmosphere has to bear, we have an opportunity to start the stabilizing process.″
He said even the most conservative scientists ″already tell us there’s nothing we can do now to stop a ... change″ of about 3 degrees.
″Anything beyond that, and we have to start thinking about the significant rise of the sea levels ... we can expect more ferocious storms, hurricanes, wind shear, dust erosion.″
He said there is time to act, but there is no time to waste.
UNEP is working toward forming a scientific plan of action by the end of 1990, and the adoption of a global climate treaty by 1992. In May, delegates from 103 nations met in Nairobi, Kenya - where UNEP is based - and decided to open negotiations on the treaty next year.
Nations will be asked to reduce the use of fossil fuels, cut the emission of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases such as methane and fluorocarbons"
metmike: A BS in this type of climate science does not stand for Bachelors of Science(-:
"I won't hold my breath for Donny Jr to apologize but he certainly should, for starting a vilification of Greta on social media and her part, on CNN. This forum was no shinning example of waiting before passing judgement either."
Seriously Wayne,
You bought into CNN's convincing sounding damage control explanation at the end of the show because they got slammed for having Greta on as one of their experts.
After the rightly deserved criticism, they had to adjust her presence on the show so she didn't appear until later on and they were very careful with her questions........and they changed the format of the live show to tape her earlier(see explanation below).
Then, at the end, they pretended that she was not really on the panel of experts that they featured.
Wayne,
They fully intended to feature her as an expert on the Coronavirus representing children on the panel. Don't be fooled by Coopers total BS at the end.
Again, I never blame Greta because she is a child saying things that adults have fed to her and doesn't know any better.
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As additional evidence of them adjusting the format. Did you note that Greta for some reason did not appear live as advertised?
After they got blasted for the decision to have her on the panel of experts for this live show, they decided to tape her earlier in the day, in case she said something stupid during the live show since she obviously is not an expert.
Why would they do that?
I worked in television for 11 years.
The advertising of this was to feature it as a live Townhall and having experts from different fields answering questions LIVE. It makes no sense to tape her entire interview(and make it look like its part of the rest of the show that was LIVE) unless you had a really good reason.
He never gave a reason did he?
In television, when you tape things, you have complete control over what to use, when to use it and how much of it to use. People are more intrigued by live shows (partly because they know that you can't edit out things that you don't want in there) , which is why they advertised this show to be a live show to let people know they would not be editing out things.
With extraordinarily high confidence(but not 100%) after they got mocked for having Greta on as an expert, they changed the format just for her. By taping it, they took a 0% chance of her saying something stupid that would have given those mocking them even more ammo for having her on as an expert.
So they taped her earlier in the day, even though the format of the show was live, and edited out anything they didn't like and kept what sounded the best............guarantee you that's what happened........100% on that.
This also allowed them to have her on in a way that made it look like she was intended to sort of an afterthought to the live panel to discredit those who were claiming that this is what CNN intended.........which CNN changed.
They absolutely intended for her to be up there with the others, live from the get go.
Cooper pretended like they always planned for her to be a taped, non expert guest at the end was so disingenuous......but sounded convincing.
Like I said, this was not Greta's fault. She didn't contact CNN, they contacted her. She didn't determine the format or ask the questions. The arrangements were made between the adults that handle her and CNN. 100% on that.
Otherwise, how do you think that a 16 year old girl was a featured speaker at the United Nations last Fall before every country of the world? Or before the US House just prior to that?
All of this has been set up, by her adult climate activist handlers that have contacts with people in high places, especially the United Nations(behind the climate accord) in order to promote their global socialism agenda.............100% on that.
The entire purpose of this teenager's mission, is to indoctrinate as many young people into the climate crisis cult. 100% on that.
She clearly is extraordinarily ignorant about basic science(I'm an atmospheric scientist). Why wouldn't you have a knowledgeable, charismatic person with a PHD in atmospheric science be the spokesperson to represent authentic climate science?
Why not show people the real science(like I do), coming from an expert or experts?
There should be plenty of people like that and plenty of science to show, right?
Instead, we get a teenager telling us to listen to the scientists and other people telling us to listen to THEIR science..............but they never actually show us the entire objective picture of the authentic science because it would bust their narrative.
Related to CNN trying to deceive us afterwards and pretend that she wasn't really wasn't on their panel of experts. Here is a know liberal source, defending CNN's decision to have her on the panel of experts(so according to CNN, even they must have been fooled into thinking Greta was part of the panel)
Thunberg isn’t a Covid-19 expert, but she’s world-renowned activist using her platform to inform people about the pandemic
"Thunberg is hardly a coronavirus expert, but she is world-renowned climate activist – and has already spoken about how the pandemic should inform our response to climate justice in a post-pandemic world.
Thunberg’s activism also gives her an undeniable platform which she has used to inform people about the pandemic. "
metmike: Bingo! And that's exactly why CNN had her(originally) on their panel of live experts.
"Some have suggested that sexism might play a role in the shock people are expressing at Thunberg’s appearance."
metmike: Right, if this was a 17 year old boy with no medical expertise, nobody would have batted an eyelash.
As a side note, I had to chuckle about this comment they made because I'm one of those "climate deniers"
"We’ve seen climate-deniers who debate scientists about climate change"
I've also been an atmospheric scientist for 38 years. They make it sound like we have the scientists on one side and the deniers on the other side. How is it possible that an atmospheric scientist can be a denier?
Actually there are tens of thousands of us.
Scientists coming out of the woodwork-no climate crisis!
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Started by metmike - Oct. 18, 2019, 5:08 p.m.
Here are some other views(similar to the ones which caused them to pretend she wasn't really on the panel at first):
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/13/cnn-hits-peak-stupid-taps-gretathunberg-for-covid19-panel/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRXfACYbyHU
metmike: I am more critical of them for being dishonest about what they did vs owning the decision and defending it. Instead, changing her role to one of much lesser importance and pretending that should have been obvious to everyone from the get go(when not one other entity for or against Greta saw it that way before CNN changed it-not one).
You can't say your critics were dumb for thinking she was on the panel.......when those that supported that decision thought the exact same thing.
Hi Mike
You are making a lot of assumptions that can not be proven
It looks to me as if you are still pre-judging her based on past statements
I said her appearance on CNN was perfectly sensible
She merely said at the end of the segment that she hoped the scientist for climate change would continue
Nothing wrong with a statement like that
She made no claim to be right or wrong about the climate science. Just continue the science. A perfectly reasonable statement, that you want to make it sound vastly different from her actual words.
CNN has a perfect tight to say anything they want after the segment. They said they did this format before so why pre-judge what you don't know
CNN may just happen to be correct. You don't know
You are not only pre-judging Greta but also CNN for past statements, that you want to drag into the here and now, before it even happened
When people have their mind made up it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion
The segment was mostly her personal experience by being sick and a plea for funding unicef. You want to make a big deal about the part about climate. Well that was a very small part of the segment and was a perfectly reasonable statement
I see a lot of people making up their mind to the exclusion of reasonable discussion on this forum
I prefer fair and balanced as much as possible
I admit I don't always uphold my beliefs about fair and balanced but I try my best
Pre-judging is wrong in my book, unless you have proof not assumptions
I am not a fan of CNN, by any number of metrics, but I would defend my worst enemy if I thought they might be correct until proven wrong.
How many juries pre-judged or made false assumptions of which DNA later proved the innocence of the supposed guilty party
Pre-judging and assumptions are just plain wrong, unless proven other wise. Our laws are supposed to uphold that presumption of innocence
But I digress
"CNN may just happen to be correct. You don't know"
Wayne, I wasn't in their studio planning the show, so can't be 100% sure but I gave you the solid facts based on 11 years of television experience. They took her off the panel and made it a taped interview towards the end and even those supporting her being on the panel before hand got fooled if CNN was telling the truth at the end .........no they were not fooled, CNN CHANGED THE FORMAT for her and pretended she was never on the live panel that they advertised her to be on. Did you watch the entire show?
I explain what they did exactly and why.
Wayne: She merely said at the end of the segment that she hoped the scientist for climate change would continue
Nothing wrong with a statement like that
She made no claim to be right or wrong about the climate science. Just continue the science. A perfectly reasonable statement, that you want to make it sound vastly different from her actual words."
Have you followed HER science Wayne?
I've followed it closely, let me give you some of her quotes from her FAKE science:
Greta: How dare you continue to look away and come here saying that you are doing enough when the politics and solutions needed are still nowhere in sight," she said.
"You say you 'hear' us and that you understand the urgency. But no matter how sad and angry I am, I don’t want to believe that. Because if you fully understood the situation and still kept on failing to act, then you would be evil."
Greta: "You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying.
Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money, and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!"
All made up Wayne. I don't tell you to believe in junk science or anybody, I show you the real science. You can decide after seeing the facts and authentic science:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27864/
Wayne: Pre-judging is wrong in my book, unless you have proof not assumptions. I
metmike: I agree 100%. I did prejudge and so did alot of other people that she wasn't going to be an expert on the coronivus, like the others, mostly because I've followed her closely. I think there was nothing wrong with her telling the story about how she thinks she had it and it was good that she donated money to help fight it(CNN was smart to change the format to this)
But even CNN knows that it was dumb to feature her with the live experts like they did initially, which is why they changed the format to tape her and show it near the end of the show. Absolutely nothing wrong with that...........except to pretend they didn't do that. Of course they did, its a fact, she was taped earlier and put on at the end. That was NOT the original plan when they were featuring/adavertising her live with the experts.
If you read me, I have never criticized Greta personally like most people do that know her stuff is garbage. Why is that?
Because I look at the big picture of whats going on and try to be objective and give everybody the benefit of the doubt.........in this case Greta's sincerity and role/responsibility.
She is just a child that has been manipulated by adults. All her big engagements are being arranged by adult handlers and the speeches written by them. How could a high school drop out possibly know anything about the complicated field of climate science. Wayne, when she says listen to the scientists, do you think that she means listen to people like me? The objective science? She means listen to the people telling us "we are in the beginning of a mass extinction" and that entire ecosystems are collapsing" Those are her words.
CNN knew she was not an expert on the coronavirus when they advertised her as being on the live expert panel. They just saw this as an opportunity to use the coronavirus to advance their huge political agenda on climate change..........this is a huge thing for CNN. They and others are trying to link the coronavirus with the fake climate crisis.
CNN got busted doing that with Greta and tried to act like they didn't. The ADULTS at CNN and those controlling the fraudulent words of Greta are who I'm calling out. Not the child.
If there are any facts that I stated above that are not true, state them and I will adjust accordingly.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/opinions/pandemics-global-warming-linked/index.html
I went back to look at the shows that Anderson Cooper showed at the end to use as, what he said were examples of him having guests just like Greta.
Alicia Keys was one of them. Unlike Greta, she was live the entire time(as are all the panelists) as advertised-until Greta that is. She talked about her new song about the coronavirus and actually it made its debut on that show. She has recently released a book that relates to the coronavirus and talked about that live.
A week later, Cooper used the example of Spike Lee. Lee was also live the entire time. He has been living in the epicenter of the coronavirus, NYC, locked in the past 2 months. Spike is going to have a new film out called New York, New York which he says is a valentine dedicated to the medical and frontline workers treating coronavirus.
They also had Al Gore on during that show but Cooper didn't mention him. I did because Gore was on there to bash Trump in the most extreme manner possible. Telling us that at the end of the month, there will be 3,000 deaths/day and 200,000 new cases each day and its Trumps fault for opening up too soon. I called CNN out for this here. Gore was just there to tell the same lies CNN was telling at that time:
Deaths suddenly doubling in BS model
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Started by metmike - May 5, 2020, 2:26 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/51673/
https://deadline.com/2020/05/spike-lee-new-york-tribute-1202929536/
Filmmaker Spike Lee shares his experience living in New York City during the coronavirus pandemic, saying the city is like a "ghost town.
Filmmaker Spike Lee shares his experience living in New York City during the coronavirus pandemic, saying the city is like a "ghost town."
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/08/entire-may-7-coronavirus-town-hall-part-6-sot-vpx.cnn
metmike: I can see why some would think its ok to have Greta on because she is a well known climate activist, thinks that she might have had it and is donating some money. It's quite a stretch to pretend she is doing what the others are, who were featured on the previous panels but here is why there was so much outrage. Those that don't have captured brains know that she is a complete fraud, created to push the political climate agenda, pretending to represent science while repeating some of the most riduculous anti science stuff.
People are outraged at her being there as an expert(Spike Lee and Alicia Keys, absolutely are non medical experts on the cornovirus in their realms of expertise but they ARE VERY RESPECTED).
It's an insult to our intelligence to take a complete fraud and put them in any position outside of their fraudulent realm of expertise and tell us we need to listen to them.
CNN didn't even respect her enough to take a chance to carry her live!!!!
They taped her so they could control what made the show later, where all their other panelists that I have ever seen on the show to this point have been live as advertised.
To help you better understand why people feel their intelligence is being insulted when Greta makes an appearance as an expert on anything, these are some of her words:
Greta: "You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying.
Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money, and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!"
"I and 15 other children from around the world filed a legal complaint against 5 nations over the climate crisis through the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child," Thunberg said via Twitter. "These 5 nations are the largest emitters that have ratified the convention."
metmike: These words from her come from the UN/adults political activists pushing global socialism. THey have been telling us the same thing since the late 1980's..............and been wrong every year:
https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
The complete opposite has been happening. The UN has been unable to get people/countries to follow the political agenda using the same tactics over the last 3 decades and now they are trying something new.............instead of them lying to us, they have Greta Lie to us.
Even though they CLAIM to represent the science, the authentic science says otherwise:
The planet sure has a strange way of showing us that it's dying. Is there another planet earth in an alternate universe out there? (-:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
This image shows the change in leaf area across the globe from 1982-2015.https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Field_Crops/soyyld.php
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/
Release date: 07/05/2020
Not only are people NOT dying from climate change, if we went back to the old climate from 100 years ago(drop temp by 1 Deg. C and drop CO2 back to 300PPM) over a billion people would starve to death within 3 years and food prices would triple!!!
We are having a climate optimum.
If you don’t think she is entirely controlled by adults with the UN, then ask yourself how a teenager that nobody heard of previously got to be the featured speaker at the UN in front of the entire world last Fall and US House and how she is filing legal complaints against 5 countries who are not honoring their obligation in the UN’s climate accord?
She is just a puppet For the UN working for global socialism using fake science and lies and a completely manufactured climate crisis. We can laugh about it because the scheme is so silly and obvious.
However, the coronavirus, is no joke to anyone, anywhere from either political party. People seeing this child puppet known for spewing anti science venom popping up on a CNN panel of experts on the coronavirus have a right to be outraged/offended.
Greta thinks that she had the coronavirus. With almost everybodÿ, I would believe that. Since most of what she says and does being conived/scripted by adults, there’s a good chance this is like the rest of it.
Again, I understand that she is a manipulated, abused/used child and hold her diabolical adult handlers responsible.
This appears to be ludicrous scheme to those of us that know the authentic science but there are 2 brilliant elements to the scheme:
1. Getting young people connected to the movement(cult) with somebody that they can relate to. Cognitive bias works from a young age. If you can get young people to believe in the climate crisis, they will very likely be believers as adults. They can't relate to an old man like Al Gore. Bill Nye the science guy, at one time had a very large following of children. If this had been 25 years ago, he could capitalize on that. However, Bill's presentations and life nowadays make him more presentable for grown ups(that watched him growing up). They needed somebody younger!
My favorite video from Bill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIBz7KBt0UY
2. Al Gore has been the face of global warming activism for 2 decades. He received a dozen different awards in 2007/2008, including for his anti science move, "An inconvenient Truth" and the Nobel Peace Prize(with the IPCC) for being able to bamboozle the world into thinking we have a climate crisis. His credibility has been greatly damaged since then, however because none of his forecasts for doom and gloom have come true. They needed a fresh new face and people like me are very hesitant to criticize a child vs somebody like Gore who deserves it. When people attack Greta for her anti science and absurd statements the attackers can actually look bad, especially when they inject a personal element to it. This isn't the case with attacks aimed at Gore or Nye. They are privileged old white men who don't deserve any special compassion when being attacked............seriously!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_received_by_Al_Gore
One of my favorite videos of these 2 combining their efforts as charlatans, was when they combined to fake a CO2 science experiment............and got busted by Anthony Watts.
metmike: I hear all the time that these guys really believe in everything that they say. Could be but if you are selling the truth, why would you go to an extreme measure of designing a fake experiment, to manufacture and demonstrate a complete lie to convert other people to it? Just show them the truth!
Al Gore, James Hansen, The United Nations and many more have been completely wrong about all their doom and gloom predictions for decades.
Instead, we have experienced the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years during the current climate optimum on this greening planet.
Greta is just their latest attempt to bamboozle us into believing those same predictions.........but targeting a very young and vulnerable audience for their brainwash.
I predict with high confidence that she will be wrong about everything, there will be no apocalypse, the planet will be even greener in 2030 and authentic climate science will continue to march on obliterating her junk science.
50 years of failed doomsday, eco-pocalyptic predictions; the so-called ‘experts’ are 0-50
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions
metmike: They don't even mention my favorite ones!
U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked
PETER JAMES SPIELMANNJune 29, 1989
https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
https://www.thegwpf.com/failed-polar-bear-predictions-have-climate-change-community-in-a-panic/
So all these extreme, doom and gloom predictions were wrong.............but wait, how do they respond?
Al Gore claims that he got everything right!
The New York Times claims that it's even worse than the predictions:
"Few thought it would arrive so quickly. Now we’re facing consequences once viewed as fringe scenarios."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/opinion/sunday/science-climate-change.html
metmike: It is true that heavy rain events have increased because warmer air can hold more moisture(+1 Deg. C equates to around a 6% increase in water vapor). There has also been a slight uptick in Summer heat waves in some places(not in the US--where the 1930's, easily had the most heat waves.........and worst droughts) but other than that, it's as if some people are reporting conditions about a planet earth from an alternate universe.
Hi Mike
You just won't let go of this, will you
Your looking like a dog with a toy bone to chew on
I have never defended Greta about her views on climate
But on CNN she made one remark, "one", that simply said, let the science continue" And you want to take that one sentence and make a book about it. So what is wrong with letting the science continue.
Just one example but possibly a big example:
Science may come up with ways to make EV transportation much more cheaper. That is science working in a good way. Greta may not have EV transportation in mind with her statement but EV research is science and physics and much more. Every engine transportation Co. and transportation maker is taking a real hard look at EV, or the science of EV if you wish. I really think EV will some day be much cheaper than using fossil fuel, but if so then engineers etc will have to build a whole new platform to support EV transportation. If the public sees enough savings then the demand will require a new platform to be built to support EV. I was not a fan of EV but the more I read about EV the more I think it will happen.
Now I agree Greta has made some, what we consider, rather over the top statements, but she has kept the ball rolling and just maybe, some thing different will evolve. She probably had nothing to do with new EV research but she did keep the drums beating, even if in the wrong direction. I agree she was used but she isn't the 1st or the last that is used to advance something of those behind the curtain. It is an unfortunate situation but it happens most every day to some degree.
But to make her into a villain based on past performance is another topic completely. She merely said, and I repeat, "let the science continue" Nothing wrong with that statement. She spent most of her time, as you know, talking about her personal experience being sick and a plea for unicef. Nothing wrong with that. And since you have stated you were not a part of the CNN programming you know that part is settled
So all we have left is one sentence of "let the science continue" which you want to compare with past statements by Greta, of which she said not one word except the word science. And you immediately drag up past statements. That's like the press jumping on Trump for saying one word or sentence and head lines appear, while the rest of the conversation is completely ignored. People like you have a one track mind set and that is all you can see. You are as bad as the press vilifying Trump
She did not compare her statement with past statements. I used only one example of how the science could be good, and you assume some thing that was not even said on her part of the program.
You were assuming what she would or might say and you are wrong. Totally wrong, all down her part of the segment, some of which you have admitted you were wrong
And don't try to say EV will never happen as many are spending big dollars and doing research on EV which they would not do if there was no light at the end of the tunnel. I have a family cousin involved in EV and they take it very seriously. Not ready for public use now, but they want to be ready when the competition is ready. And that my friend is science. Maybe not Greta's science but she has keep the drums sounding all night into the next day, even if the wrong place or time or direction she has kept the drums beating. And you my friend want to live in the past with your dirty, expensive, [for most of time]], polluting fossil fuel which will be a relic, of pollution, from the day it comes out of the ground to the day it is used. Fossil fuel is a pollutant, a dirty pollutant. Some day as the science finds new ways to replace fossil fuel, we might be able to breathe clean air and drink clean water once again. No longer will creeks burn with fire from oil pollution entering clean water run ways, and a match turns a creek into a burning inferno..
We have a surplus of food now, just don't know how to distribute the food, so better growing conditions is a high price to pay for pollution, but opinions may vary on that topic. If you are hungry and suddenly you grow more food, then you will be grateful. But the surplus growers see no dividend, when there is no market, but lots of pollution. Better to spend our energy on what Greta said about unicef than chew on a bone about past statements and more surplus food.. At least unicef does some thing good, for the most part. Might even buy some surplus food, who knows.
Now stop chewing on this rubber bone. It makes you look silly
Thanks very much Wayne,
I've covered every point about her science from every angle imaginable....and then some.
And always have fun doing it.................in fact, it's the main reason you have an atmospheric scientist for a moderator at MarketForum.
It gives me a venue to graphically expose the lies about my field of expertise and those that have hijacked my field, climate science,(turning it into a fake climate crisis) for their political agenda. This, while I provide the authentic science/observations/data and truth to educate others about the climate optimum on this greening planet that we are currently enjoying.
This thread and the discussion helps me to accomplish this and I greatly appreciate you being part of it Wayne!
Tks Mike
For all your work on climate
YW Wayne,
I especially enjoy being challenged on climate issues and those related and see it as an opportunity to provide unique, authentic information that is intentionally NOT told to us by the gate keepers of information that we get............while showing how they use fake climate science propaganda for their political agenda.
Had you not made some good points, I would not have elaborated with another "epistle" as Alex used to call them.
Now, thanks in big part to you we have a new discussion on the main Climate Reality page!
NEW: Finally a real expert telling us the truth about Covid19: Greta on CNN. Scaring and converting children into the climate crisis cult. Eco-anxiety in children. Greta controlled as the United Nation's climate activist puppet. Failed predictions of the UN and past climate crisis religion high priests, like Al Gore. Showing the truth with actual data/observations vs telling people to listen to the fake science. May 2020. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/52100/
Greta tells us to listen to the scientists. You won't find anybody more in favor of that than me. I am a scientist! Atmosphere scientist.
But I don't want you to listen to me because of that. Or to listen to me because I might have convincing sounding words. Or to listen to me because I have a degree in science or 5 degrees in science.
Only listen to me if I can prove to you what I'm saying with authentic science using observations and empirical data!
Don't believe that all scientists are non political, save the world, Mother Theresa's wearing white lab coats with impeccable integrity using the objectivity and the scientific method to interpret all their results.
They are flawed human beings, like the rest of us. They vote in elections(80% for democrats) and have cognitive bias that often displaces the scientific method that is supposed to make them sceptical of what they think they know.
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So here is more authentic data from one of the worlds top authorities on human health about the climate crisis to go with other sources of authentic data offered previously.
Health and climate changeExecutive summary
Climate change underpins all the social and environmental determinants of health but also has positive implications. The Lancet Countdown: Tracking Progress on Health and Climate Change is an international, multi-disciplinary research collaboration between academic institutions following on from the 2015 Lancet Commission on Health and Climate Change, which emphasized that the response to climate change could be “the greatest global health opportunity of the 21st century”.
https://www.thelancet.com/climate-and-health
metmike: There's alot of stuff in this report but fortunately, we have a couple of sources that have decided to try to interpret the results with regards to how the climate is affecting health(which is clearly a net positive).
The Lancet on Climate Change: The need for context Indur M. Goklany
https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2020/05/LancetCountdown-1.pdf
metmike: This graph shows us data from this extensive study. Climate related deaths and non climate related deaths from 1990 to 2017. There are 2 main things to note:
1. Climate related deaths are a small fraction of non climate related deaths.
2. Climate related deaths have dropped 50% over the last 3 decades.
If you also dial in the massive increase in food from atmospheric fertilization from beneficial CO2 and the continuation of the slow beneficial warming on this greening planet, you clearly have a climate OPTIMUM not a crisis.
I am just telling you what the data and authentic science is. Anybody that says something different than this is either ignorant of the authentic science or lying. ......that includes any brilliant scientists with numerous degrees.
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Indur M. Goklany
Between 1990 and 2017, the cumulative age-standardized death rate (ASDRs) from climate-sensitive diseases and events (CSDEs) dropped from 8.1% of the all-cause ASDR to 5.5%, while the age-standardized burden of disease, measured by disability-adjusted life years lost (DALYs) declined from 12.0% to 8.0% of all-cause age-standardized DALYs. Thus, the burdens of death and disease from CSDEs are small, and getting smaller.
But readers of the 2019 report of the Lancet Countdown (hereafter ‘the Countdown’), a partnership of 35 academic institutions and UN agencies, established by the prestigious Lancet group of medical journals and supported by the equally-esteemed Wellcome Trust to track progress on the health impacts of climate change, may well be left with the opposite impression, particularly if they do not delve beyond the Executive Summary, the section most likely to be read by busy policymakers or their advisors.
Not once does it mention that cumulative annual rates of death and disease from CSDEs are declining, and declining faster than the corresponding all-cause rates. The Countdown also fails to provide adequate context for the reader to judge the burdens of mortality or disease posed by CSDEs, individually or cumulatively, relative to other public-health threats. In fact, it even suggests that the health effects of climate change are ‘worsening’. But the data do not support that claim. Moreover, an analysis of the text makes it clear that the Countdown conflates estimates of increasing exposure, ‘demographic vulnerability’, and increased ‘suitability’ of disease transmission with actual health effects.