I have a good name in mind but want to hear opinions of others.
They will likely be running against Kamala Harris but would like opinions on that too.
I think there are several excellent choices. The ones I like are DeSantos, Nunes, Cotton
Dan Crenshaw
Credentials to be president : I kind of like the guy's mindset.
Dont know if he's capable of running a country.
It would be interesting to see if Pence would consider it. Most/all of Trump's policy without the caustic personality. And with media portrayal of Trump throwing him under the bus during the "insurection", and his refusal to comply with Trump's wishes, that may act as a plus.
Cruz would make an excellent candidate, IMO, but I think he may be unelectable.
I suspect Harris will make a very poor candidate, did terrible in the promaries this last go.
In any event, who ever the pubs put up will instantaly become a corrupt, racist Nazi, because that's what the left does. They can't really run on policy which is why we saw/see so many 180's from Uncle Joe.
I think Tim's pick is a good one.
We would just need Trump to give "some" support for him, so that Trump supporters would get behind him.
The good for America Trump agenda from a likeable messenger.
The left/MSM would batter him relelentlessly with the connection to Trump though.
Trump could really mess things up completely if he runs or if he gets into a tiff with the person running.
The other ones might be ok, even though I'm not commenting.
I don't see the Biden/Harris team doing much to help our country so far. Either with positive agenda's or bringing us together.
If that continues, they will be vulnerable, even though the odds are getting smaller and smaller for Republicans. They might even abolish the electoral college and increase the number of Supreme Court justices as part of the cultural/political revolution we are in.
You aren't going to bring back dead conservatives and the younger generation is mostly liberal to far left liberals.
If Trump formed a third party, 46% would support the Trump Party, while 27% would back the Republican Party, with 27% undecided as to where they stand between the two
2024
Though Trump would be 78 years of age in 2024, his supporters are not concerned. Nearly 6 in 10 (59%) said they would like him to run for president in 2024, while 29% did not want to see him run. Yet, 76% said they would vote for him if he sought the Republican nomination, and 85% would vote for him if he were the GOP nominee.
“This kind of political leverage means that Trump will not only have an impact in the 2022 midterm elections but his presence as a potential candidate in 2024 could block out new GOP presidential candidates,” said Paleologos.
Joe Biden faces long odds as he attempts to win over Trump supporters and unite a divided country. According to the poll, just 17% of Trump voters say Biden was legitimately elected, while 73% say he was not. Only 6% of Trump voters approve of Biden’s job performance, while 87% disapprove. However, 26% say that Congressional Republicans should work with Biden on major policy issues even if it means compromising, though 62% say that Republicans should stand up to Biden even if it means little gets passed.
A majority (56%) of Trump voters will not take the vaccine right away, despite CDC protocols and the Biden administration fast-tracking vaccine manufacturing with the goal of 100 million vaccines in the first 100 days. Among those who won’t take the vaccine right away, a majority (54%) said they are worried it is not safe, while 22% said they don’t take vaccines of any kind, and 11% said they do not believe COVID-19 is a real threat.
LIVE: Trump Speaks at 2021 CPAC
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Started by metmike - Feb. 28, 2021, 4:07 p.m.
Almost everybody in this country believes in at least one very major thing that is completely and provably false based on ALL the authentic facts.
On the left side, they believe that we are having a climate crisis and human emissions of CO2 are killing the planet.......though the planet is greening up and life never did better. Authentic science defines CO2 as a beneficial gas and the weather/climate is the best for life in at least 5,000 years. (I'm an environmentalist and asknowledge that people are polluting and wrecking the planet and over consuming and there has been global warming..........but we are having a climate optimum, not a crisis) https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27864/
On the right side, the majority of people believe the election was stolen from Trump by Biden.....while all the LEGIT evidence shows that this was the most secure election of the last several. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/65299/
Here's the thing. People go to sites that tell them what they like to hear.
People on the left absolutely don't want to hear/read that they have been bamboozled into believing in a climate crisis. This is what they get when they come here.......honestly and truth based entirely on authentic science and provable facts.
They don't want the truth.
People on the right absolutely don't want to hear/read that they have been bamboozled into believing that the election was stolen. This is what they get when they come here............honestly and truth based entirely on authentic politics and provable facts.
Most don't want the truth.
We live in a world where many sources know that if they provide echo chambers featuring news spun in one sided fashion, including lies........telling the news the way that one side LIKES TO READ it so they will attract everybody from that side(birds of a feather).
This is what generates ratings. This is what sells newspapers. This is what boosts internet traffic.
REAL Honestly and truth do not sell very well. Pretending that your product is honesty and truth based on words does(even when its just propaganda).
Since I refuse to cave in to the mainstream, unethical manner of attracting traffic, this site may never generate much traffic.
People don't want objective truth(unless it lines up with their belief system).
People can't even recognize truth if it contradicts what they think that they know. They really don't. I have studied this closely for several years now.
It's a very sad reality in our world today but people just want to go to sites that repeat stories about what they think they know and add new stories based on that.
It would be pretty bad if 20% of people were totally misled about one of the key issues like climate change or the 2020 election.
It's mind boggling to think that, when you add up the % of people affected, that possibly as many as 90% of people believe one or the other.....major fake news.
If you throw in the fact that people still believe that the George Floyd protests didn't spread COVID and that cloth masks are effective at protecting you from COVID, some 95% of people have been completely brainwashed to believe something provably and blatantly false(that was invented for a political agenda) and we have something that's worse than the COVID pandemic.
A pandemic of stealing peoples intelligence.
It's been done to manipulate people. If you ask any of the 95% affected, they can quickly recognize when people from the opposite party are being brainwashed.
It wouldn't be a brainwash on you if you realized it.
It's also, exactly why our country is so divisive. People are being taught to see only their side as always being right.
The only thing that they ever agree on?
That the other side is always wrong!
And our politicians don't want to unify, despite their disingenuous words. They want to maximize their power, then try to use it to get EVERYTHING they can for their side and give the other side nothing if they can.
Think about it for a minute. You know thats what the strategy is exactly.
Think about how huge the Senate votes were coming from the state of Georgia earlier this year.
There are 100 senators, why would just 2 senator positions mean EVERYTHING?
In a world so divisive, and one side often voting one way and the other side voting the opposite way, having a majority of just 1 actually means you can potentially get much more of your stuff because everybody in your party can all vote the same way and you have the majority to win....and shut out the other party if everybody on their side votes against it and vice versa.
Many of my favorite posts here are those that claim that I'm wrong.
The only way that a person can legitimately know that they are right..............is not to have everybody tell them that they are right(echo chambers) but instead, have people be skeptical and disagree with them, question them.
This is called the scientific method.
It means that you must PROVE that you are correct to the skeptics. Prove that you are right by questioning yourself.
Only that solid, verifiable proof can tell us what the authentic truth is.
Not convincing sounding words or speculative theories or repeating the same wrong things 100 or 1 million times.
Either you can prove it with empirical data/facts.............or its just words that anybody can use to say anything.
In today's world, words rule. Words used to make up false narratives..... very convincing sounding/reading words....repeated over and over by all the sources from one side so that everybody reading/listening to those words from that same side, eventually believes all of it.........without them using empirical data or authentic facts to prove any of it.
Without the targets (of the propaganda) doing any fact checking......the targets just trust the same sources........because their sources are telling them the news, exactly the way they like to hear it!
A friend of mine sent me this:
I thought it was interesting that at CPAC this weekend they polled people there and somehow online people about who should run for 2024 president.
Of course Trump was the by far the top vote getter.
Interesting point is Pence got zero!
His swamp roots came out in the end and showed he is not a fighter for the people
Thanks much cutworm!
Very profound actually.
1. For 4 years, what we heard from one side was that Mike Pence was a Trump brown noser..............incapable of thinking for himself.
2. My impression was that he got carried away at times as a Trump cheerleader and often came off as dwelling too much on Trumps accomplishments. He was a constant Trump PR machine.
Even more so, I loved his style immensely. Everything wrong about Trump's personality and character flaws, Pence had exactly right.
Gifted communicator. Always positive and respectful. Not the type that captivates you like Obama or Reagan or Clinton but the type that speaks with authority/knowledge/facts(that appeared to be accurate) very SMOOTHLY.
Seemed very credible and for sure the complete opposite of volatile or offensive.
3. None of the above matters though. Trump has convinced his people that Mike Pence was a traitor when it counted. When Pence stood up for the authentic, repeatedly verified truth and Trump was pushing the fake election being stolen narrative. It tells us that Trump still has the majority of republicans spell bound.
This is the recipe for total disaster for the future of the republican party. The democrats and MSM are making the riot on 1 day in Washington out to be 100 times worse than they really are...........maximizing the damage. It's been 2 months and still headline news. Republicans in denial about who caused them to think the election was stolen and whey they were there...........are destined to be fighting against the truth. This is only adding to the ammo of the left and in fact, is the main reason for them to keep the insane over sensationalizing of the insurrection going.
Tens of millions of Republicans emphatic that the election was stolen are making for easy pickins for dems/MSN, like shooting ducks lined up in a row because the election was NOT stolen.
Trump will likely never acknowledge the truth and the incidents that happened after the election have actually strengthened his support in the minds of many republicans because it just added to his "fighting the swamp" legacy.
I supported much of Trump's agenda for 4 years but he is completely toxic to the republicans.........forever, or until he changes his tune, which likely means forever.
Biden/Harris could be very vulnerable if they were opposed by a candidate backed by the entire republican party and the one that has besmirched themselves can never be that person.
Trump is now the biggest gift ever given to the democrats and MSM in political history. It's impossible for that to change under the current dynamics.
MM, I have stayed out of election debates for a while, but you have this wrong.
The votes were counted correctly. Errors occured, but not enough to change the outcome. On that we agree.
Where the problem comes in is the validity of the ballots that were counted. There is lots of evidence indicating, at the very least, serious questions. Thousands of affidavits from eyewitnesses. Questionable voter turnout. Definite cases of voters voting in 2 states, voters with address changes that had not updated their registrations. Ineligible voters. These are documented cases.
And for the most part, the courts did not reject the cases because the evidence lacked merit, they refused to look at the evidence. Michigan Supreme court rejected a case calling for an audit in a 4-3 decision. 3 of those judges wanted to see the evidence. 4 did not.
The fact is, the media is presenting these rejections as proof of no evidence, but that's not the case. There was plenty of evidence. Courts simply chose not to hear it. Courts are traditionally extremely reluctant to enter into election disputes.
This is the dissenting opinion in the Michigan case and it is pretty typical of many.
“By closing the courthouse door on these petitioners, the court today denies them any ability to have their claims fully considered by the judiciary,” Viviano wrote in his dissenting opinion.
Thanks Tim,
"MM, I have stayed out of election debates for a while, but you have this wrong."
You just provided evidence against a position that I mostly agree with. I have brought up your points many times but none of them caused the election to be stolen.
You can read me making those points here:
Poll - Who won the Election?
12 responses |
Started by joj - Nov. 11, 2020, 4:21 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/61115/#61121
Focusing/dwelling on them, when the election was proven to be valid is totally counter productive when 10's of millions of people only view it as more "evidence that the election was stolen".
This is the sort of fraud/propaganda being contrived to mislead people that I speak out against. I used to like Mike Lindell but he just proved to us that he's a snake oil salesman.
mike lindells election tape
11 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Feb. 6, 2021, 8:58 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/65299/
The sad thing is that one side believes everything was perfect and the other side believes the election was stolen.
You are one of the few that sees it more objectively as a flawed election but still valid.........if I read you right.
What matters the most by an extraordinarily wide margin is ACCEPTING the results. In the metrics that mattered the most, this was irrefutably and clearly a Biden win.
Not accepting the results in 2020 is acting just like those that insisted Trump colluded with Russia in 2016 and Russia's influence got him elected.
The point is, We don't know. The evidence was never heard. The audits of registrations were never done. All in spite of evidence that, as I said, raised serious questions, at the very least.
Yeah, we counted ballots. The counts were accurate. Were the ballots? By all indications, most likely not.
I have first hand knowledge of what went on here in Ga and I am certain we are not unique. I sincerely doubt that there were enough valid votes to give Biden the state of GA.
Nothing will change the outcome of the last election. That ship has sailed.
But the Ga Senate is passing sweeping election reform as a direct result of what was uncovered here to try to make sure it does not happen again. All from a "lack of evidence", in your opinion? They would disagree.
Thanks Tim!
You're welcome MM.
TimNew’s comments pretty much describe the same thoughts I have about the election. However, ‘nuff said about the election.. it’s over…
However, there is another issue few people talk about. Several news sources now report the following (link below):
Regarding Biden’s dealings in the Ukraine and in China…
“…The biggest movement away from Mr. Biden was among his voters who only after the election learned about shady business deals involving Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter. Forty-five percent of Biden voters said they didn’t know about Hunter Biden’s deals, and 9.4% said they would not have voted for the former vice president had they known.”
These are shocking numbers. Mathematically speaking, this would have made quite a difference in the election outcome.
Secondly, I am shocked that so many people are unaware of what has been discussed so often on the MarketForum.
Of course, when I think about it… the MSM never discussed this issue. Not only that… but the House had the nerve to accuse Pres Trump of the same wrong-doings Biden had done, while at the same time declaring that there was no evidence of Biden’s actions, even though he himself had bragged about it at a meeting of the Foreign Affairs Council
The combined forces of the Left, the MSM, and the tech giants, make a powerful propaganda machine They have control over what we see and hear and how we think.
( I didn’t watch Trump’s speech at CPAC, but I tried to do so on youtube yesterday. It had already been removed.)
Sites who present opposing views ( or facts/events we are not supposed to know about) are being silenced more and more…. and if they can’t be silenced they are being ridiculed as “conspiracy theory” sites, or “extremist” sites.
The goal is to have a central agency which controls all the news. Once all opposing views are exterminated, we can have the “unity” Biden is talking about. It's just that such unity will be the disguise for a totalitarian state. It;'s been done before... Hitler, Stalin...
My mother had a brother, who was a tank driver in the German army. Last the family heard about him, they were advancing into Russia. At that time, there was no TV. News came from the government controlled radio stations, or, one could watch a “news reel” that was played in movie theaters before the main feature. My mother said, she saw on the news reel how the glorious German army advanced forward and achieved victory against the evil enemy, and she was proud of him. Her brother’s unit was on their way to a city called Stalingrad. He never came home. Only after the war did the people find out what happened in Stalingrad.
Is the goal to turn the US into a totalitarian state?
Preparations for this storyline are already happening.,, the goal to have a one-party government… control of the news and elimination of all opposing views… declaring opposing groups as domestic enemies… controlling people with fear… getting people used to live in a police state with draconian measurements… talking about other countries (Russia) being our “enemy”, even though they may not be (competitor, but not enemy).
It worked for Stalin, it worked for Hitler… but it doesn’t have to be done with a dictator in the lead. The novel “1984” could be the blueprint for such a scenario
I am afraid, the way things are going, that one day we will be told of an evil enemy attacking the US (even though he never did), and that we all have to accept the fact that the only way to protect us is to start an all-out nuclear war.
Ref.:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/24/joseph-r-biden-voters-experience-regret-after-new-/
Thanks Gunter,
Much of what we are told or not told is based entirely on what they want us to think, to push an agenda...... not on informing us with the objective truth.
It's sold as "following the science" in some cases even when its actually anti or junk science. Using propaganda to control the masses 101 playbook.
Manufacture narratives and news to brainwash thinking of the people............censor dissenting opinions.
Repeat it thousands of times in collusion with the other MSM sources and people will accept it because that's all they hear/know.
With regards to your example, the thread below was a quintessential example of that strategy being applied in the real world.
But this does not mean the far right is offering the truth. They play the same game and their targets fall just as hard for the propaganda and conspiracy theories.
In fact, that's what makes it so much easier to sell. When the far right is convinced the far left is pushing propaganda and lies, it causes them to believe in things that are just as crazy but from the opposite extreme.
For instance, if somebody proved to me that my boss was stealing $100/week from my paycheck and I verified that.............I would have strong trust in them.
Then, let's say that the same source told me my boss was paying other employees doing the same job as me, a higher wage but I couldn't verify that.........my trust in them would cause me to believe it............even if it was not verified or even true.
We have millions of people believing one sides extreme view and millions of people believing the other opposite side's view.
Sometimes just one side has it mostly right. Sometimes its somewhere in the middle. Almost never are both sides totally right.
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More smoking gun evidence on Bidens
76 responses | 1046 likes
Started by metmike - Oct. 14, 2020, 7:39 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/60077/